Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Ash, Thank you for a detailed reply. I have been trying to understand ways of differentiating difficult sade-satis from those that may not be so difficult. One of the ways I understand is to check Rashis through which the Saturn passes. The other dictum I have read is that people born in sade sati do not experience a difficult period during future sade-satis. You have made one more addition by suggesting to check BAV points of Saturn in 12th, 1st and 2nd houses from Moon. I am a Leo Asc with Moon in Virgo, BAV of 3,0,4 in 12th, 1st and 2nd. I have technically gone through 2 sade-satis one at the time of birth and second 77-85. I think my sade-satis have been relatively easy, especially when I read about the difficulties some others have had to go through! Being born in sadesati may 'explain' it. BAV points of 3 and 4 would explain easier times during transits through Leo and Libra. 0 point in Virgo which had Moon and Ketu would however indicate a difficult period. Is there something more to it? Kind regards Ramesh Dear Sanjay and Rao, Thank you for confirming that points of Lagna need to be added, exact if available or an average of 4! Best Regards Ramesh ashsam73 [ashsam73] Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:05 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as given in JHL, clarification Dear Ramesh and Sanjay, Make no mistake. There is much more to the application of Ashtakvarga than just for transits. Ramesh, 28 bindus is average. 29 bindus would make a house benefic. 7 planets each can get upto 8 bindus (7 planets and lagna) max. So if a planet gets 0 to 3 bindus then its malefic, 4 is neutral and 5 - 8 is benefic. So at an average if 7 planets are getting 4 bindus then total strength of Bhava = 28. Now there are only 337 bindus allocated for 7 planets by maharishi. We say that as per Vedic Astrology that many planets in 3rd house makes a person very parakramic. The same if you study from SAV view point and BAV you will notice if u study the BAV scheme (Given by Varharamira maharishi) that most planets distribute 1 bindu to the 11th place from it. If you study charts of people with a lot of planets (not nodes) in 3rd house then such people will have very high total points in their SAV in lagna showing their personality as more adament people with a lot of confidence also maybe short tempered Since there are a fixed 337 bindus allocated very high points in any 1 house will be at the cost of some other house. So its not necassary to have very high bindus in a house. Yes transit of planets over such houses (with high points) will not be bad. The whole system of Ashtakavarg is based on relative placement of planets. Maharishi Parasara and Varharamira have given the BAV scheme to us which distributes the benefic bindus by 7 planets and lagna. Lagna has its importance due to the fact it gives us reference for example we say Sun in 4th house or sun in 5th both mean different thing. This is obtained from reference from lagna and hence its importance. Once u distribute the points you add up the points for all the 7 planets (reference of lagna is already included) to get the strength of each house which we call SAV. By the time u get the SAV strength you have unknowingly calculated most of the Yogs with their contras i.e. yogs that are based on relative positioning of planets. Speical yogs like 4:10 or aspects and other yogs like venus to sun distance, venus in particular nakshtra etc have to be considered seperately. This SAV then gives the basis from which you derive and go into the next level to compute the actual strength of the planet. It is a very detailed topic. I agree that the texts available today do not do justice to Ashtakvarg. No where in no classics is the system of ashtakvarg in given in detail to find out the timing of events. Things like kalsarp yog, kalamrit yog, grah malik yog etc can be seen at a glace if one studies the SAV points distribution. For thigns like Sade-Sati, kantak shani i.e. Shanis transit over 12th, 1st and 2nd from Moon can also be seen using BAV. Maharishi has allocated 39 bindus to Shani in its BAV only. Similarly for Mars. 39/12 is approx 3 bindus. So as a thumb rule if Shani in his BAV is giving 3 bindus to 12th, 1st or 2nd from Moon then such a transit of shani might not be that bad. At the same time Transit of Guru is also very important to study. Guru and Shani rule the last 4 houses in kal purush chart especially if you want to time financial success. In any case its all a very detailed topic of discussion. Just my 2 cents. Cheers !!! Ash vedic astrology, sanjay@s... wrote: > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Ramesh, > By definition it seems all the 8(Ashta)parameters are to be added to > to get Sarva Ashtaka Varga points. > But some commonly accepted way is to ignore Lagna. I personnaly > sometimes try to Add the lagna points to compare. > Ashtakavarga is mostly based on transits of Naisargika(Natural) > kaaraka which are used to judge the change in society and situations > around is my understanding. So the play of Lagna could be minimal and > that may also explain why transits from moon are given comparitively > more importance. As moon is natural significator of society and mind. > > Warm Regards > Sanjay P > > Om Tat Sat > > > > vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani" > <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote: > > Satyam Bruyat Piryam Bruyat > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I find that SAV rekhas/points are calculated in JHL by adding > points of BAV > > of 7 planets. Though there is a chart showing points counted w.r.t > Asc, the > > SAV chart appears to excludes the same. I would like to know if my > > understanding is correct and if Asc points are to be added while > checking > > strength of bhavas against dictums like <25= damaged, between 25- 30 > = medium > > effects and >30 = advance the effects of bhava! > > > > Regards > > Ramesh Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Ramesh, 0904.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Ash, Please find the chart attached. Birth details are as under: July 31, 1949 Time: 9:04:00AM Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Longitude: 73 E 13' 00" Latitude: 22 N 18' 00" I have noted your point regarding AD. I am however attempting to understand the link between transit of Saturn and its BAV points in various houses. A correction in your first para, Saturn is giving 0 points in the house where Moon is placed. Your last para is also informative. Thanks. Best Regards Ramesh ashsam73 [ashsam73] Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:44 PM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as given in JHL, clarification Dear Ramesh, Definitely there is so much more to it. It would be helpful if I had your chart. One has to first study planets and their poitions and degrees and their status. First thing is that antra dasha is very important. Transits show environment. You have Shani giving 0 point in the place where lagna is. One has to first understand what it means. If antardasha holds promise of say Good income and at the same time Shani is transitting a house with 0 points or even Mars then mostly unless Guru is transitting a houswe with 8 bindus the total is going to be less than 8. So it means that person will have income (if someone asks a question on how the income will be) but at the same time if Shani and Guru are not favouring in their transit then the person will not be able to enjoy it. Again if the antra running is say of 2nd lord then there will even be more worries. etc etc. etc. The contra of it, say if the Antra lord is not supporting good income and at the same time Guru and Shani are favouring here I mean its having total of > 8 bindus then such a person might make his day to day needs met. Maybe he may get help from family or friends or wife / husband etc. Again here if you study keenly Sa and Ju rule 9,10,11 and 12th hosue of the kal purush chart. They hold karaktwa of 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th. You can test this out on so many charts. Sometimes when antra is good at the same time Shani and Ju are favouring then in such cases one gets good income and he can enjoy it as well. The environemnt also lends support and becomes favourable. My suggestion is that before you hear terms like Sadi Sati, Kal Sarp yog etc study these thigns. If you study kal sarp charts or kal amrit charts from SAV view point you will find that in most cases SAV points might be either low or high in continuity. Now say if continiuously 4 or 5 houses r low together then planets more planest transitting a house with < 28 bindus will make the total points < 197 so such people will feel that things are not going their way or in short have prolonged periods of suffering and due to that they may turn more spiritual. Now in such charts also on the other side of the same coin the SAV bindus are fixed at 337. So it means that if a few houses continiously have less points i.e < 28 then some other houses will have much higher points as the total is fixed to 337. So when the plnaets finally get out or exit such houses and move into a house with high points then there are more chances of total points to be > 197 so its then Make up time.... I am out of time... for now.... Cheers !!! Ash vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote: > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Ash, > Thank you for a detailed reply. I have been trying to understand ways of > differentiating difficult sade-satis from those that may not be so > difficult. One of the ways I understand is to check Rashis through which the > Saturn passes. The other dictum I have read is that people born in sade sati > do not experience a difficult period during future sade-satis. > You have made one more addition by suggesting to check BAV points of Saturn > in 12th, 1st and 2nd houses from Moon. I am a Leo Asc with Moon in Virgo, > BAV of 3,0,4 in 12th, 1st and 2nd. I have technically gone through 2 > sade-satis one at the time of birth and second 77-85. I think my sade-satis > have been relatively easy, especially when I read about the difficulties > some others have had to go through! Being born in sadesati may 'explain' it. > BAV points of 3 and 4 would explain easier times during transits through Leo > and Libra. 0 point in Virgo which had Moon and Ketu would however indicate a > difficult period. Is there something more to it? > Kind regards > Ramesh > > Dear Sanjay and Rao, > Thank you for confirming that points of Lagna need to be added, exact if > available or an average of 4! > Best Regards > Ramesh > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73] > Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:05 AM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: SAV points as given in JHL, clarification > > > Dear Ramesh and Sanjay, > > Make no mistake. There is much more to the application of > Ashtakvarga than just for transits. > > Ramesh, 28 bindus is average. 29 bindus would make a house benefic. > 7 planets each can get upto 8 bindus (7 planets and lagna) max. So > if a planet gets 0 to 3 bindus then its malefic, 4 is neutral and 5 - > 8 is benefic. So at an average if 7 planets are getting 4 bindus > then total strength of Bhava = 28. > > Now there are only 337 bindus allocated for 7 planets by maharishi. > We say that as per Vedic Astrology that many planets in 3rd house > makes a person very parakramic. The same if you study from SAV view > point and BAV you will notice if u study the BAV scheme (Given by > Varharamira maharishi) that most planets distribute 1 bindu to the > 11th place from it. If you study charts of people with a lot of > planets (not nodes) in 3rd house then such people will have very high > total points in their SAV in lagna showing their personality as more > adament people with a lot of confidence also maybe short tempered > > Since there are a fixed 337 bindus allocated very high points in any > 1 house will be at the cost of some other house. > > So its not necassary to have very high bindus in a house. Yes > transit of planets over such houses (with high points) will not be > bad. > > The whole system of Ashtakavarg is based on relative placement of > planets. > > Maharishi Parasara and Varharamira have given the BAV scheme to us > which distributes the benefic bindus by 7 planets and lagna. Lagna > has its importance due to the fact it gives us reference for example > we say Sun in 4th house or sun in 5th both mean different thing. > This is obtained from reference from lagna and hence its importance. > > Once u distribute the points you add up the points for all the 7 > planets (reference of lagna is already included) to get the strength > of each house which we call SAV. > > By the time u get the SAV strength you have unknowingly calculated > most of the Yogs with their contras i.e. yogs that are based on > relative positioning of planets. Speical yogs like 4:10 or aspects > and other yogs like venus to sun distance, venus in particular > nakshtra etc have to be considered seperately. > > This SAV then gives the basis from which you derive and go into the > next level to compute the actual strength of the planet. > > It is a very detailed topic. > > I agree that the texts available today do not do justice to > Ashtakvarg. No where in no classics is the system of ashtakvarg in > given in detail to find out the timing of events. > > Things like kalsarp yog, kalamrit yog, grah malik yog etc can be seen > at a glace if one studies the SAV points distribution. > > For thigns like Sade-Sati, kantak shani i.e. Shanis transit over > 12th, 1st and 2nd from Moon can also be seen using BAV. Maharishi has > allocated 39 bindus to Shani in its BAV only. Similarly for Mars. > 39/12 is approx 3 bindus. So as a thumb rule if Shani in his BAV is > giving 3 bindus to 12th, 1st or 2nd from Moon then such a transit of > shani might not be that bad. > > At the same time Transit of Guru is also very important to study. > Guru and Shani rule the last 4 houses in kal purush chart especially > if you want to time financial success. > > In any case its all a very detailed topic of discussion. > > Just my 2 cents. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > vedic astrology, sanjay@s... wrote: > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Dear Ramesh, > > By definition it seems all the 8(Ashta)parameters are to be added > to > > to get Sarva Ashtaka Varga points. > > But some commonly accepted way is to ignore Lagna. I personnaly > > sometimes try to Add the lagna points to compare. > > Ashtakavarga is mostly based on transits of Naisargika(Natural) > > kaaraka which are used to judge the change in society and > situations > > around is my understanding. So the play of Lagna could be minimal > and > > that may also explain why transits from moon are given > comparitively > > more importance. As moon is natural significator of society and > mind. > > > > Warm Regards > > Sanjay P > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Ramesh Gangaramani" > > <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote: > > > Satyam Bruyat Piryam Bruyat > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I find that SAV rekhas/points are calculated in JHL by adding > > points of BAV > > > of 7 planets. Though there is a chart showing points counted > w.r.t > > Asc, the > > > SAV chart appears to excludes the same. I would like to know if my > > > understanding is correct and if Asc points are to be added while > > checking > > > strength of bhavas against dictums like <25= damaged, between 25- > 30 > > = medium > > > effects and >30 = advance the effects of bhava! > > > > > > Regards > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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