Kapata Yoga Definition

August 12, 2004

|Hare

Rama Krsna|

Dear

Narasimha, Namaskar

This is a

dictum from Jataka Tattva, which was later explained in detail by Guruji.

Kapata Yoga

can be caused by malefics in the 4th house… Now who is

cheating and who is being cheated needs to be clarified.

font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">The lagna shows the self and malefics in

the lagna causes one to be dishonest and even cheat others.

font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">The 4th house shows the heart

and happiness, and malefics in the 4th causes shock or sorrow

leaving a dark spot on the heart – this is caused by others and

results in one-self being cheated.

So we have

the following combinations:

font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">Malefics in Lagna and 4th causes

one to cheat others and be cheated.

font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">Benefics in Lagna and malefics in 4th,

makes one sincere, but susceptible to cheating from others.

font-family:"URW Palladio IT"">Malefics in Lagna and benefics in 4th

makes one cheat others, who had otherwise been nice to you.

In all cases

there is Kapata Yoga, the differentiation is between the cheater and the

cheated.

This can be

applied to divisional charts as well to see specifically in which areas one is

cheated. I.e. treat Navämça Lagna as Lagna, and judge these results in the Navämça.

Example: assume

in Navämça that 7th lord is a malefic, or joined malefics in the 4th

house, whilst benefics are in Lagna – the native will be cheated by their

first spouse.

Yours,

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12 August 2004 02:43

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[vedic astrology] Kapata

Yoga Definition

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font-family:Arial">Namaste Visti,

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font-family:Arial">I look forward to meeting you again next month in Boston! I read the nice

points you made with interest. There is one point where I want to

throw further light.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">> There is Kapata Yoga as well formed by a malefic in 4th

whilst a benefic is

> in Lagna – hence there is all likelihood that he will get cheated

somehow.

> Rähu has Graha drsti on the Ärüòha Lagna, hence there will be an effort

put

> in to smear his name/image.

font-family:Arial">The definition of Kapata yoga I am aware of does not involve

lagna lord. It involves a malefic in 4th and 4th lord conjoined/aspected/hemmed

by malefic(s).

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Attributing "being cheated" to Kapata yoga is

honestly a stretch. I cannot buy that. I am not aware of any author who takes

that view. The name is also insufficient to support that view. Kapata yoga is

normally thought to make a person deceitful, rather than being deceived. The

4th house shows heart and this combination basically suggests impurity in heart

and emotions.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">However, Dr. Raman produced papers based on his vast studies

that this yoga can just make one diplomatic (rather than deceitful).

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Just for the record, lest people should think that the chart

under discussion has this yoga, let me clarify. Though Rahu is in 4th, the 4th

lord Mercury is not afflicted. Not even an upagraha joins Mercury and he is

unafflicted. Though Moon aspects Mercury and some people may take Moon of

Krishna paksha as a malefic, Moon of Krishna Tritiya is almost full and hardly

a malefic. He is incapable of giving Kapata yoga. Though Mercury in Leo is

hemmed by Mars in Virgo and Sun and Mandi in Cancer, Venus in Cancer comes to

his aid.

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Thus, the chart under discussion does not have a complete

Kapata yoga.

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font-family:Arial">May Jupiter's light shine on us,

font-family:Arial">Narasimha

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August 12, 2004

Respected Visti ji,

Thank you very much for giving details about the Kapata Yoga.Its

very interetsing to know.

Just few questions..

1.When Malefic also is with benefic in 4th house. Is person is saved

from being cheated?

2.Also does Lordship of malefic planet indicates about from whom

perosn is being cheated Like how to analyse from whom the person is

being cheated? Brother/Relatives/Parent?

3. Malefic in 4th and benefic in lagna? Does the planet which is

powerful indiactes its power? suppose Benefic in lagna is weak and

Malefic in 4th is Powerful or wise versa?

4. What is role of rahu and ketu here?

5. Also what malefic we should consider-- Natural/ Functional etc?

6.For Virgo lagna like Rahu in 4th saggi -- so called debilited and

Venus in lagna also debilited. Whose power is more.

8. Does it make any difference when lord of the house(4th or lagna)

is in own house with malefic in that house.

Can you please clear my doubts?

Thank you

Kalyani

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> |Hare Rama Krsna|

>

> Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

>

> This is a dictum from Jataka Tattva, which was later explained in

detail by

> Guruji.

>

> Kapata Yoga can be caused by malefics in the 4th house… Now who is

cheating

> and who is being cheated needs to be clarified.

>

> 1. The lagna shows the self and malefics in the lagna causes

one to be

> dishonest and even cheat others.

> 2. The 4th house shows the heart and happiness, and malefics in

the 4th

> causes shock or sorrow leaving a dark spot on the heart – this is

caused by

> others and results in one-self being cheated.

>

> So we have the following combinations:

>

> 1. Malefics in Lagna and 4th causes one to cheat others and be

cheated.

> 2. Benefics in Lagna and malefics in 4th, makes one sincere, but

> susceptible to cheating from others.

> 3. Malefics in Lagna and benefics in 4th makes one cheat

others, who

> had otherwise been nice to you.

>

> In all cases there is Kapata Yoga, the differentiation is between

the

> cheater and the cheated.

>

> This can be applied to divisional charts as well to see

specifically in

> which areas one is cheated. I.e. treat Navämça Lagna as Lagna, and

judge

> these results in the Navämça.

>

> Example: assume in Navämça that 7th lord is a malefic, or joined

malefics in

> the 4th house, whilst benefics are in Lagna – the native will be

cheated by

> their first spouse.

>

> Yours,

>

> Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

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>

> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr@c...]

> 12 August 2004 02:43

> Vedic Astrology Group

> [vedic astrology] Kapata Yoga Definition

>

> Namaste Visti,

>

> I look forward to meeting you again next month in Boston! I read

the nice

> points you made with interest. There is one point where I want to

throw

> further light.

>

> > There is Kapata Yoga as well formed by a malefic in 4th whilst a

benefic

> is

> > in Lagna – hence there is all likelihood that he will get

cheated somehow.

> > Rähu has Graha drsti on the Ärüòha Lagna, hence there will be an

effort

> put

> > in to smear his name/image.

>

> The definition of Kapata yoga I am aware of does not involve lagna

lord. It

> involves a malefic in 4th and 4th lord conjoined/aspected/hemmed by

> malefic(s).

>

> Attributing "being cheated" to Kapata yoga is honestly a stretch.

I cannot

> buy that. I am not aware of any author who takes that view. The

name is also

> insufficient to support that view. Kapata yoga is normally thought

to make a

> person deceitful, rather than being deceived. The 4th house shows

heart and

> this combination basically suggests impurity in heart and emotions.

>

> However, Dr. Raman produced papers based on his vast studies that

this yoga

> can just make one diplomatic (rather than deceitful).

>

> Just for the record, lest people should think that the chart under

> discussion has this yoga, let me clarify. Though Rahu is in 4th,

the 4th

> lord Mercury is not afflicted. Not even an upagraha joins Mercury

and he is

> unafflicted. Though Moon aspects Mercury and some people may take

Moon of

> Krishna paksha as a malefic, Moon of Krishna Tritiya is almost

full and

> hardly a malefic. He is incapable of giving Kapata yoga. Though

Mercury in

> Leo is hemmed by Mars in Virgo and Sun and Mandi in Cancer, Venus

in Cancer

> comes to his aid.

>

> Thus, the chart under discussion does not have a complete Kapata

yoga.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

>

> Narasimha

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August 12, 2004

Namaste Visti,

(1) Kapata only means deceit. It cannot mean "being subjected to

someone else's deceit". If there is a yoga for the latter, it would

be called Kapatita yoga or some such thing.

(2) Saying the planets in 1st show what one does to others and

planets in 4th show what others do to one is a bit simplistic. The

4th house is the house of heart and a malefic there can show bad

experiences one's heart is subjected to by others as well as

impurities in one's own heart.

(3) With this simplistic definition, all people with Vajra yoga

(benefics in 1st and 7th, malefics in 4th and 10th) end up being

cheated and all people with Yava yoga (benefics in 4th and 10th,

malefics in 1st and 7th) end up as cheaters. However, Parasara gives

good results for both the yogas and they have nothing to do with

cheating or being cheated.

(4) The definition given by Dr Raman takes the 4th lord too into

consideration. That makes more sense to me. Lord of a house shows the

application of intelligence and consciousness to the matters of that

house. I cannot understand a yoga for either deceit or being

subjected to deceit, without house lords involved. I don't know the

classical source for the version given by Dr. Raman, but it makes

better sense to me.

(5) Can you kindly quote Mahadeva's verses from Jataka Tattva on

this? Unfortunately, I do not have it.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

> Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

>

> This is a dictum from Jataka Tattva, which was later explained in

detail by

> Guruji.

>

> Kapata Yoga can be caused by malefics in the 4th house… Now who is

cheating

> and who is being cheated needs to be clarified.

>

> 1. The lagna shows the self and malefics in the lagna causes one

to be

> dishonest and even cheat others.

> 2. The 4th house shows the heart and happiness, and malefics in

the 4th

> causes shock or sorrow leaving a dark spot on the heart – this is

caused by

> others and results in one-self being cheated.

>

> So we have the following combinations:

>

> 1. Malefics in Lagna and 4th causes one to cheat others and be

cheated.

> 2. Benefics in Lagna and malefics in 4th, makes one sincere, but

> susceptible to cheating from others.

> 3. Malefics in Lagna and benefics in 4th makes one cheat others,

who

> had otherwise been nice to you.

>

> In all cases there is Kapata Yoga, the differentiation is between

the

> cheater and the cheated.

>

> This can be applied to divisional charts as well to see

specifically in

> which areas one is cheated. I.e. treat Navämça Lagna as Lagna, and

judge

> these results in the Navämça.

>

> Example: assume in Navämça that 7th lord is a malefic, or joined

malefics in

> the 4th house, whilst benefics are in Lagna – the native will be

cheated by

> their first spouse.

>

> Yours,

>

> Visti Larsen

August 12, 2004

Dear Narasimha,

I could give what Jataka Tatwa says below. I too think that the

explanation of Kapat yoga is too simplistic and is not in line with

sound astrological principles. I am quoting from Jataka Tatwa below for

reference of the learned.

Jataka Tatwa talks about Kapati yogas and Nishkapata Yogas. He has

given 10 yogas as Kapati yogas. These are:

1.Mars and Mercury conjunct . 2.Mercury conjunct malefics in9th. 3.

Mars in 3rd devoid of shubha drishty. 4. Lord of the 4th or 9th in 6th.

5. Mercury in Aries. 6. 4th house aspected by Malefics or conjunct

Malefics. 7. 4th house surrounded by malefics i.e. malefics in 3rd and

5th. 8. Lord of the 10th or 8th in 4th house. 9. Saturn, Mars and Rahu

in 4th house.and 10. Saturn, Mars Rahu in any house.

In my opinion, of these combinations No.2, No.4, No.5, No7, No. 8 and

No. 9 could in certain circumstances make one deceitful, though not as

a blanket case. Others do not appear to be in line with astrological

principles.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

pvr108 wrote:

Namaste Visti,

(1) Kapata only means deceit. It cannot mean "being subjected to

someone else's deceit". If there is a yoga for the latter, it would

be called Kapatita yoga or some such thing.

(2) Saying the planets in 1st show what one does to others and

planets in 4th show what others do to one is a bit simplistic. The

4th house is the house of heart and a malefic there can show bad

experiences one's heart is subjected to by others as well as

impurities in one's own heart.

(3) With this simplistic definition, all people with Vajra yoga

(benefics in 1st and 7th, malefics in 4th and 10th) end up being

cheated and all people with Yava yoga (benefics in 4th and 10th,

malefics in 1st and 7th) end up as cheaters. However, Parasara gives

good results for both the yogas and they have nothing to do with

cheating or being cheated.

(4) The definition given by Dr Raman takes the 4th lord too into

consideration. That makes more sense to me. Lord of a house shows the

application of intelligence and consciousness to the matters of that

house. I cannot understand a yoga for either deceit or being

subjected to deceit, without house lords involved. I don't know the

classical source for the version given by Dr. Raman, but it makes

better sense to me.

(5) Can you kindly quote Mahadeva's verses from Jataka Tattva on

this? Unfortunately, I do not have it.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

> Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

>

> This is a dictum from Jataka Tattva, which was later explained in

detail by

> Guruji.

>

> Kapata Yoga can be caused by malefics in the 4th house… Now who is

cheating

> and who is being cheated needs to be clarified.

>

> 1. The lagna shows the self and malefics in the lagna causes

one

to be

> dishonest and even cheat others.

> 2. The 4th house shows the heart and happiness, and malefics

in

the 4th

> causes shock or sorrow leaving a dark spot on the heart – this is

caused by

> others and results in one-self being cheated.

>

> So we have the following combinations:

>

> 1. Malefics in Lagna and 4th causes one to cheat others and

be

cheated.

> 2. Benefics in Lagna and malefics in 4th, makes one sincere,

but

> susceptible to cheating from others.

> 3. Malefics in Lagna and benefics in 4th makes one cheat

others,

who

> had otherwise been nice to you.

>

> In all cases there is Kapata Yoga, the differentiation is between

the

> cheater and the cheated.

>

> This can be applied to divisional charts as well to see

specifically in

> which areas one is cheated. I.e. treat Navämça Lagna as Lagna, and

judge

> these results in the Navämça.

>

> Example: assume in Navämça that 7th lord is a malefic, or joined

malefics in

> the 4th house, whilst benefics are in Lagna – the native will be

cheated by

> their first spouse.

>

> Yours,

>

> Visti Larsen

August 12, 2004

|Hare

Rama Krsna|

Dear

Narasimha, Namaskar

Ask

your Guru.

Yours,

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12 August 2004 20:29

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Kapata Yoga Definition

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10.0pt">Namaste Visti,

(1) Kapata only means deceit. It cannot mean

"being subjected to

someone else's deceit". If there is a yoga

for the latter, it would

be called Kapatita yoga or some such thing.

(2) Saying the planets in 1st show what one does

to others and

planets in 4th show what others do to one is a bit

simplistic. The

4th house is the house of heart and a malefic

there can show bad

experiences one's heart is subjected to by others

as well as

impurities in one's own heart.

(3) With this simplistic definition, all people

with Vajra yoga

(benefics in 1st and 7th, malefics in 4th and

10th) end up being

cheated and all people with Yava yoga (benefics in

4th and 10th,

malefics in 1st and 7th) end up as cheaters.

However, Parasara gives

good results for both the yogas and they have

nothing to do with

cheating or being cheated.

(4) The definition given by Dr Raman takes the 4th

lord too into

consideration. That makes more sense to me. Lord

of a house shows the

application of intelligence and consciousness to

the matters of that

house. I cannot understand a yoga for either

deceit or being

subjected to deceit, without house lords involved.

I don't know the

classical source for the version given by Dr.

Raman, but it makes

better sense to me.

(5) Can you kindly quote Mahadeva's verses from

Jataka Tattva on

this? Unfortunately, I do not have it.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

> Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

>

> This is a dictum from Jataka Tattva, which

was later explained in

detail by

> Guruji.

>

> Kapata Yoga can be caused by malefics in the

4th house… Now who is

cheating

> and who is being cheated needs to be

clarified.

>

> 1. The lagna

shows the self and malefics in the lagna causes one

to be

> dishonest and even cheat others.

> 2. The 4th

house shows the heart and happiness, and malefics in

the 4th

> causes shock or sorrow leaving a dark spot on

the heart – this is

caused by

> others and results in one-self being cheated.

>

> So we have the following combinations:

>

> 1. Malefics in

Lagna and 4th causes one to cheat others and be

cheated.

> 2. Benefics in

Lagna and malefics in 4th, makes one sincere, but

> susceptible to cheating from others.

> 3. Malefics in

Lagna and benefics in 4th makes one cheat others,

who

> had otherwise been nice to you.

>

> In all cases there is Kapata Yoga, the

differentiation is between

the

> cheater and the cheated.

>

> This can be applied to divisional charts as

well to see

specifically in

> which areas one is cheated. I.e. treat

Navämça Lagna as Lagna, and

judge

> these results in the Navämça.

>

> Example: assume in Navämça that 7th lord is a

malefic, or joined

malefics in

> the 4th house, whilst benefics are in Lagna

– the native will be

cheated by

> their first spouse.

>

> Yours,

>

> Visti Larsen

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August 13, 2004

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Visti,

Isn't Rahu's (or any malefic's) association with the 7th house more

likely to show deceit from others? Such a malefic's argala on the 4th

house would indicate the hurt caused by the deceit.

I personally tend to agree more with Dr. Raman's definition of Kapata

yoga.

I think Sanjayji would continue to attract unfair criticism, as long

as he continues to teach Jyotish. Both are irrevocably intertwined.

His AK Saturn directly and powerfully aspects his 5th house

(indicative of his passion for teaching Jyotish) from Capricorn,

which is the debilitation point of guru. This sheer and eternal

opposition of Sun and Saturn, I feel, would sort of perpetuate these

unsavoury incidents.

As for the millions of rupees supposed to have been made by him, I

only know of the millions of sishyas he'd made and if one or two of

these turn out to be bad pennies, I don't think he should bother.

Neither should we.

Regards,

Lakshmi

>

> > Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> >

> > This is a dictum from Jataka Tattva, which was later explained in

> detail by

> > Guruji.

> >

> > Kapata Yoga can be caused by malefics in the 4th house… Now who

is

> cheating

> > and who is being cheated needs to be clarified.

> >

> > 1. The lagna shows the self and malefics in the lagna causes one

> to be

> > dishonest and even cheat others.

> > 2. The 4th house shows the heart and happiness, and malefics in

> the 4th

> > causes shock or sorrow leaving a dark spot on the heart – this is

> caused by

> > others and results in one-self being cheated.

> >

> > So we have the following combinations:

> >

> > 1. Malefics in Lagna and 4th causes one to cheat others and be

> cheated.

> > 2. Benefics in Lagna and malefics in 4th, makes one sincere, but

> > susceptible to cheating from others.

> > 3. Malefics in Lagna and benefics in 4th makes one cheat others,

> who

> > had otherwise been nice to you.

> >

> > In all cases there is Kapata Yoga, the differentiation is between

> the

> > cheater and the cheated.

> >

> > This can be applied to divisional charts as well to see

> specifically in

> > which areas one is cheated. I.e. treat Navämça Lagna as Lagna,

and

> judge

> > these results in the Navämça.

> >

> > Example: assume in Navämça that 7th lord is a malefic, or joined

> malefics in

> > the 4th house, whilst benefics are in Lagna – the native will be

> cheated by

> > their first spouse.

> >

> > Yours,

> >

> > Visti Larsen

August 13, 2004

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Chi. Narasimha,

Varahamihiracharya also explained about Kapata Yoga,Kshanamaatra Kapata Yoga,

Anthah Kapata Yoga and Nishkapata Yogas in his Brihat Jataka.Please go through

the following Shlokas :

KAPATA YOGA :

ÿ‚dye paps<yu´e papÔ‚òe tdIñre,

hrudaye päpasaàyukte päpadruñöe tadéçvare|

pap<treva ÿ‚dye ÿ‚Tkapq(< ivinidRzet!.

päpantarevä hrudaye hrutkäpaöyaà vinirdiçet||

Meaningif there is a malefic planet in 4th house and 4th lord if aspected by

malefics or is within malefics,then the native will be a Kapati.

zNyarra÷s<yu´e ÿ‚dye zuÉvijRte,

çanyärarähusaàyukte hrudaye çubhavarjite|

pape kmeRñre saEOye kpqI papvIi]te.

päpe karmeçvare saukhye kapaöé päpavékñite||

Meaning if 4th is occupied by Shani, Rahu and Kuja and is without benefic

planets and 10th also is lorded by malefics placed in 4th and aspected by

malefics,then also the native will be a Kapati.

twEv tÑavnawe m<dma<*gu s<yute,

tathaiva tadbhävanäthe mandamändyagu saàyute|

papEinRrIi]t yute ÿ‚Tkapq(< ivinidRzet!.

päpairnirékñita yute hrutkäpaöyaà vinirdiçet||

Meaning if 4th lord is with Shani, Mandi and Rahu or aspected by other malefic

planets,then also the native will be a Kapati.

spape r<Øpe saEOye kpqe papvIi]te,

sapäpe randhrape saukhye kapaöe päpavékñite|

zuÉiÔiò ivhInec saEOye papsmiNvte.

çubhadriñöi vihéneca saukhye päpasamanvite||

Meaning if 8th lord is with malefics and is in 4th house and 4th is without

benefic aspects,then also the native will be a Kapati.

KSHANAMAATRA KAPATA YOGA :

Éanuna]I[ c<Ôeze sihte ÿ‚dyetwa,

bhänunäkñéëa candreçe sahite hrudayetathä|

kpqI ][maÇ<tu in:kapq(<t ËXvRt>.

kapaöé kñaëamätrantu niñkäpaöyanta dürdhvataù||

Meaning if either Surya or weak ( Ksheena ) Chandra is in 4th house,then the

native will be come a Kapati for a fraction of a second ( Little time )and then

becomes Nishkapati.

ANTHAHKAPATA YOGA :

rahaE suoe pap Ô‚zasmete bihivRzuÏiSwitrÇÉait,

rähau sukhe päpa druçäsamete bahirviçuddhasthitiratrabhäti|

A<tgRt< tTkpq< vd<it pap¢hEíe CDuÉraizs<SwE>.

antargataà tatkapaöaà vadanti päpagrahaiçce cchubharäiçisaàsthaiù||

Meaning if Rahu is in Sukha Sthana ie., 4th house and is having malefic

aspect,then such a native will be a Kapati in his mind which he is not showing

to others and if 4th house is a benefic sign and malefics there also indicate

the same meaning of Anthah Kapati.

NISHKAPATI YOGA :

ÿ‚dye zuÉs<yu´e Svae½imÇ¢ahiNvte,

hrudaye çubhasaàyukte svoccamitragrähanvite|

zuÉ¢ha[a< ]eÇev in:kapq(< ivinidRzet!.

çubhagrahäëäà kñetreva niñkäpaöyaà vinirdiçet||

Meaning if 4th is occupied by benefics,or if the planet is exalted or in

friendly house or in Swakshetra ( 4th Hose ) or if 4th house is a benefic

sign,then the native will be a Nishkapati.

ivzuÏÿ‚dyae jatae ÿ‚dyeze blaiNvte,

viçuddhahrudayo jäto hrudayeçe balänvite|

gaepura*<zkevaip imÇSva<zgteipva,

gopurädyaàçakeväpi mitrasväàçagatepivä|

Meaning if 4th house lord is strong and is in either Gopuramsha or in

Mitramsha or Svanavamsha ,then also the native will be a Nishkapati.

l¶eñre ÿ‚Ìteva zuÉyu´e i]teipva,

lagneçvare hrudgatevä çubhayukte kñitepivä|

paravtaid ÉagSwe in:kaPq(< ivinidRzet!.

pärävatädi bhägasthe niñkäpöyaà vinirdiçet||

Meaning if Lagna Lord is in 4th with benefic planet or is aspected by benefic

planet or is in Paaraavathadi Uttama Amshas,then also the native will be

considered as a Nishkapati.

l¶e guraE danv pUijtenyu´e tdatSyivzuÏ icÄ<,

lagne gurau dänava püjitenayukte tadätasyaviçuddha cittaà|

suoe zuÉe tÑvnaixnawe zuÉaiNvte tSyivzuÏicÄ<.

sukhe çubhe tadbhavanädhinäthe çubhänvite tasyaviçuddhacittaà||

Meaning Guru in Janma Lagna is either with Shukra or a benefic planet is in

4th with a benefic planet,then also the native will be a Nishkapati or a person

with good mind.

I hope by reading the above Shlokas everybody will have a good idea about KAPATA YOGA.

So now in Sanjay Ji's chart, eventhough Rahu is in 4th house, its lord a natural

benefic planet Budha is aspected by another benefic planet Chandra who is strong

in Paksha Bala.This clearly indicates Sanjay Ji is really a Nishkapati with a

clean good heart. I think nobody has seen my mail to this list regarding Sanjay

Ji's chart 3-4 days before as a reply to a mail to" Nameisanego".

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

pvr108 <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste Visti,(1) Kapata only means deceit. It

cannot mean "being subjected to someone else's deceit". If there is a yoga for

the latter, it would be called Kapatita yoga or some such thing.(2) Saying the

planets in 1st show what one does to others and planets in 4th show what others

do to one is a bit simplistic. The 4th house is the house of heart and a

malefic there can show bad experiences one's heart is subjected to by others as

well as impurities in one's own heart.(3) With this simplistic definition, all

people with Vajra yoga (benefics in 1st and 7th, malefics in 4th and 10th) end

up being cheated and all people with Yava yoga (benefics in 4th and 10th,

malefics in 1st and 7th) end up as cheaters. However, Parasara gives good

results for both the yogas and they have nothing to do with cheating or

being cheated.(4) The definition given by Dr Raman takes the 4th lord too into

consideration. That makes more sense to me. Lord of a house shows the

application of intelligence and consciousness to the matters of that house. I

cannot understand a yoga for either deceit or being subjected to deceit,

without house lords involved. I don't know the classical source for the version

given by Dr. Raman, but it makes better sense to me.(5) Can you kindly quote

Mahadeva's verses from Jataka Tattva on this? Unfortunately, I do not have

it.May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha> Dear Narasimha, Namaskar> > This

is a dictum from Jataka Tattva, which was later explained in detail by>

Guruji.> > Kapata Yoga can be caused by malefics in the 4th house… Now who is

cheating> and who is being cheated needs to be clarified.> > 1. The lagna

shows the self and malefics in the lagna causes one to be> dishonest and even

cheat others.> 2. The 4th house shows the heart and happiness, and

malefics in the 4th> causes shock or sorrow leaving a dark spot on the heart –

this is caused by> others and results in one-self being cheated.> > > > So we

have the following combinations:> > 1. Malefics in Lagna and 4th causes

one to cheat others and be cheated.> 2. Benefics in Lagna and malefics in

4th, makes one sincere, but> susceptible to cheating from others.> 3.

Malefics in Lagna and benefics in 4th makes one cheat others, who> had

otherwise been nice to you.> > In all cases there is Kapata Yoga, the

differentiation is between the> cheater and the cheated.>

> This can be applied to divisional charts as well to see specifically in> which

areas one is cheated. I.e. treat Navämça Lagna as Lagna, and judge> these

results in the Navämça. > > Example: assume in Navämça that 7th lord is a

malefic, or joined malefics in> the 4th house, whilst benefics are in Lagna –

the native will be cheated by> their first spouse.> > Yours,> > Visti

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Dear

Laxmi, Namaskar

Bad Name is

caused by Saturn or Rähu influencing the Lagna or Ärüòha Lagna. Look for that.

Yours,

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Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Visti,

Isn't Rahu's (or any malefic's) association with

the 7th house more

likely to show deceit from others? Such a

malefic's argala on the 4th

house would indicate the hurt caused by the

deceit.

I personally tend to agree more with Dr. Raman's

definition of Kapata

yoga.

I think Sanjayji would continue to attract unfair

criticism, as long

as he continues to teach Jyotish. Both are

irrevocably intertwined.

His AK Saturn directly and powerfully aspects his

5th house

(indicative of his passion for teaching Jyotish)

from Capricorn,

which is the debilitation point of

guru. This sheer and eternal

opposition of Sun and Saturn, I feel, would sort

of perpetuate these

unsavoury incidents.

As for the millions of rupees supposed to have

been made by him, I

only know of the millions of sishyas he'd made and

if one or two of

these turn out to be bad pennies, I don't think he

should bother.

Neither should we.

Regards,

Lakshmi

>

> > Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> >

> > This is a dictum from Jataka Tattva,

which was later explained in

> detail by

> > Guruji.

> >

> > Kapata Yoga can be caused by malefics in

the 4th house… Now who

is

> cheating

> > and who is being cheated needs to be

clarified.

> >

> > 1. The

lagna shows the self and malefics in the lagna causes one

> to be

> > dishonest and even cheat others.

> > 2. The 4th

house shows the heart and happiness, and malefics in

> the 4th

> > causes shock or sorrow leaving a dark

spot on the heart – this is

> caused by

> > others and results in one-self being

cheated.

> >

> > So we have the following combinations:

> >

> > 1.

Malefics in Lagna and 4th causes one to cheat others and be

> cheated.

> > 2.

Benefics in Lagna and malefics in 4th, makes one sincere, but

> > susceptible to cheating from others.

> > 3.

Malefics in Lagna and benefics in 4th makes one cheat others,

> who

> > had otherwise been nice to you.

> >

> > In all cases there is Kapata Yoga, the

differentiation is between

> the

> > cheater and the cheated.

> >

> > This can be applied to divisional charts

as well to see

> specifically in

> > which areas one is cheated. I.e. treat

Navämça Lagna as Lagna,

and

> judge

> > these results in the Navämça.

> >

> > Example: assume in Navämça that 7th lord

is a malefic, or joined

> malefics in

> > the 4th house, whilst benefics are in

Lagna – the native will be

> cheated by

> > their first spouse.

> >

> > Yours,

> >

> > Visti Larsen

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Om Gurave Namah

Dear Visti,

You are right. What is being sullied is Sanjajyji's image as a

Jyotish Guru, and as you have pointed out both Rahu in 7th from AL

and Saturn in 7th from 5th house reinforce this point.

Regards,

Lakshmi

vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> |Hare Rama Krsna|

>

> Dear Laxmi, Namaskar

>

> Bad Name is caused by Saturn or Rähu influencing the Lagna or

Ärüòha Lagna.

> Look for that.

>

> Yours,

>

> Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

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>

> B Lakshmi Ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh]

> 13 August 2004 09:10

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: Kapata Yoga Definition

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Visti,

>

> Isn't Rahu's (or any malefic's) association with the 7th house more

> likely to show deceit from others? Such a malefic's argala on the

4th

> house would indicate the hurt caused by the deceit.

>

> I personally tend to agree more with Dr. Raman's definition of

Kapata

> yoga.

>

> I think Sanjayji would continue to attract unfair criticism, as

long

> as he continues to teach Jyotish. Both are irrevocably intertwined.

> His AK Saturn directly and powerfully aspects his 5th house

> (indicative of his passion for teaching Jyotish) from Capricorn,

> which is the debilitation point of guru. This sheer and eternal

> opposition of Sun and Saturn, I feel, would sort of perpetuate

these

> unsavoury incidents.

>

> As for the millions of rupees supposed to have been made by him, I

> only know of the millions of sishyas he'd made and if one or two

of

> these turn out to be bad pennies, I don't think he should bother.

> Neither should we.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> >

> > > Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

> > >

> > > This is a dictum from Jataka Tattva, which was later explained

in

> > detail by

> > > Guruji.

> > >

> > > Kapata Yoga can be caused by malefics in the 4th house… Now who

> is

> > cheating

> > > and who is being cheated needs to be clarified.

> > >

> > > 1. The lagna shows the self and malefics in the lagna

causes one

> > to be

> > > dishonest and even cheat others.

> > > 2. The 4th house shows the heart and happiness, and

malefics in

> > the 4th

> > > causes shock or sorrow leaving a dark spot on the heart – this

is

> > caused by

> > > others and results in one-self being cheated.

> > >

> > > So we have the following combinations:

> > >

> > > 1. Malefics in Lagna and 4th causes one to cheat others

and be

> > cheated.

> > > 2. Benefics in Lagna and malefics in 4th, makes one

sincere, but

> > > susceptible to cheating from others.

> > > 3. Malefics in Lagna and benefics in 4th makes one cheat

others,

> > who

> > > had otherwise been nice to you.

> > >

> > > In all cases there is Kapata Yoga, the differentiation is

between

> > the

> > > cheater and the cheated.

> > >

> > > This can be applied to divisional charts as well to see

> > specifically in

> > > which areas one is cheated. I.e. treat Navämça Lagna as Lagna,

> and

> > judge

> > > these results in the Navämça.

> > >

> > > Example: assume in Navämça that 7th lord is a malefic, or

joined

> > malefics in

> > > the 4th house, whilst benefics are in Lagna – the native will

be

> > cheated by

> > > their first spouse.

> > >

> > > Yours,

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen

>

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Dear Sri.Rao,

Can you relate the same verse with natives education. How will it relate

it with lawyers and politicians chart. Kindly give us some insight.

Regards,

sreekumar

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Ramadas Rao

pvr108

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