Degrees of Arudha Lagna, why not ? (to PVR, Visti & others)

August 15, 2004

Related to the point raised by John is my query as to why does the JNH

Lite software show AL as the same rashi which houses the lagnesh in

some cases, while as it should be as many houses farther to where it is

posited. Two examples below, a Sag and Capri lagna respectively.:

DOB June 4,1939

TOB 9:56pm

Place 74E49, 34N05

&

DOB March 9,1971

TOB 5:30 am

Place 74E52, 34N42

Is there some exception to the rule of AL calculation for these lagnas?

Pran Razdan

--- Sunil John <jjnet2000_in wrote:

> Dear PVR, Visti & other learned members,

> Namaste

>

> I have been thinking on the ALs degs for some time .

>

> I am aware that the calculations of AL does not induce a degree to

> it. If HL, VL and other special lagnas have degrees to it, cannot

> somehow a degree be brought in TO AL.

>

> OMHO, AL is the number of houses the lagna lord is away from the

> lagna, then count the same number of houses from where Lagna lord is

> placed.

>

> Both Lagna Lord has a degree to it and also the lagna, so can't a

> degree be calculated for the Arudha Lagna. If not what is the logical

> reason behind it.

>

> Your compassionate reply would be most appreciated

>

> Sunil John

>

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August 15, 2004

Dear Mr. Razdan,

the exception to the rule is below, the reason i didnt give it here

was i presumed everyone knows it and i thought it wasnt relevant to

the query raised. Kindly see the exception in the rule as taught by SR

Exception: The Arudha pada cannot be in the same sign or the seventh

from it. In case this happens, the choose the tenth therefrom. If the

lagna lord is in the 4th house, then the AL should be in the 4th from

the 4th house which is the 7th house, but since this is not allowed,

the tenth therefrom should be chosen. The tenth from the 7th house is

the 4th house, and the 4th house becomes the arudha lagna.

I just checked the first chart details provided by you, i think the

above rule matches and hence AL is in the 4th house itself.

Would you by any chance be having 10 or above significant events of

the same chart, if yes i shall be obliged if u can send them to my

personal mail.

regards,

Sunil

vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>

wrote:

> Related to the point raised by John is my query as to why does the

JNH

> Lite software show AL as the same rashi which houses the lagnesh in

> some cases, while as it should be as many houses farther to where

it is

> posited. Two examples below, a Sag and Capri lagna respectively.:

>

> DOB June 4,1939

> TOB 9:56pm

> Place 74E49, 34N05

> &

> DOB March 9,1971

> TOB 5:30 am

> Place 74E52, 34N42

>

> Is there some exception to the rule of AL calculation for these

lagnas?

> Pran Razdan

>

> --- Sunil John <jjnet2000_in> wrote:

>

> > Dear PVR, Visti & other learned members,

> > Namaste

> >

> > I have been thinking on the ALs degs for some time .

> >

> > I am aware that the calculations of AL does not induce a degree to

> > it. If HL, VL and other special lagnas have degrees to it, cannot

> > somehow a degree be brought in TO AL.

> >

> > OMHO, AL is the number of houses the lagna lord is away from the

> > lagna, then count the same number of houses from where Lagna lord

is

> > placed.

> >

> > Both Lagna Lord has a degree to it and also the lagna, so can't a

> > degree be calculated for the Arudha Lagna. If not what is the

logical

> > reason behind it.

> >

> > Your compassionate reply would be most appreciated

> >

> > Sunil John

> >

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August 15, 2004

Dear Sunil,

If we understand that Arudha is reflection of the Lagna, reflector

being the Lagnesh, then degrees of AL would be Lagna degrees deducted

from 30 degrees.

Chandrashekhar.

Sunil John wrote:

Dear PVR,

Visti & other learned members,

Namaste

I have

been thinking on the ALs degs for some time .

I am aware

that the calculations of AL does not induce a degree to it. If HL, VL

and other special lagnas have degrees to it, cannot somehow a degree be

brought in TO AL.

OMHO, AL

is the number of houses the lagna lord is away from the lagna, then

count the same number of houses from where Lagna lord is placed.

Both Lagna Lord has a degree to it and also the lagna, so can't a

degree be calculated for the Arudha Lagna. If not what is the logical

reason behind it.

Your

compassionate reply would be most appreciated

Sunil John

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August 15, 2004

Dear Razdan Namste

When the Al hapens to be 7th or 1st from the rashi under

consideration then we take 10th from it as AL. As in your both the

casees the lagnesh is in 4th house from lagna and therefore 4th from

it should be Al but that is 7th from the lagna and hence we have to

take 10th from it which is 4th again and hence Al is palced where

lagnesh is placed.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Razdan,

> I entered the data sent by you for the first lagna and found that

for

> Sagitarius Lagna it shows AL in Pisces, where it should be Jupiter

being

> posited there. Perhaps there some thing wrong in your

configuration.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> PNRazdan wrote:

>

> > Related to the point raised by John is my query as to why does

the JNH

> > Lite software show AL as the same rashi which houses the lagnesh

in

> > some cases, while as it should be as many houses farther to

where it is

> > posited. Two examples below, a Sag and Capri lagna respectively.:

> >

> > DOB June 4,1939

> > TOB 9:56pm

> > Place 74E49, 34N05

> > &

> > DOB March 9,1971

> > TOB 5:30 am

> > Place 74E52, 34N42

> >

> > Is there some exception to the rule of AL calculation for these

lagnas?

> > Pran Razdan

> >

> > --- Sunil John <jjnet2000_in> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear PVR, Visti & other learned members,

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > I have been thinking on the ALs degs for some time .

> > >

> > > I am aware that the calculations of AL does not induce a

degree to

> > > it. If HL, VL and other special lagnas have degrees to it,

cannot

> > > somehow a degree be brought in TO AL.

> > >

> > > OMHO, AL is the number of houses the lagna lord is away from

the

> > > lagna, then count the same number of houses from where Lagna

lord is

> > > placed.

> > >

> > > Both Lagna Lord has a degree to it and also the lagna, so

can't a

> > > degree be calculated for the Arudha Lagna. If not what is the

logical

> > > reason behind it.

> > >

> > > Your compassionate reply would be most appreciated

> > >

> > > Sunil John

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August 16, 2004

"If we understand that Arudha is reflection of the Lagna, reflector being the

Lagnesh, then degrees of AL would be Lagna degrees deducted from 30

degrees.Chandrashekhar."

Dear Chandrashekharji,

Greetings

Your answer has been most logical. Upon thinking more on this let me express my

views although I know it can be wrong.

1. The AL is calculated as a reflection of the Lagnesh, so i presume we can

jargonize Lagnesh as the "Power Source" of the "Lagna".

2. As Arudha is the image(reflection) of the Lagna or Lagnesh, maybe the AL deg

can be 30 deg minus Lagna or 30 degs minus Lagnesh.

for others too below is what was written by Visti and Freedom on the Varahimihira group.

Chandrashekharji, what I wanted to also bring out is that why the AL deg has not

been mentioned in the classics and since Sanjayji has mentioned in his teachings

to Visti and Freedom, why did he mention the exact degs of Lagna and why not 30

minus the deg of Lagna, I mean Arudha is not the lagna, arudha is the "Image"

or reflection of the self.

3. Next point is that if we take an example of wealth, 2 people having $50,000

in bank, one would be perceived as being more rich than that which would be say

$75,000 worth and other would be perceived as $10,000 worth. So here i feel a

variable factor (multiplication kinds) comes in which would be influenced or

can be influenced by the various planets, e.g Mars could be X factor multiplied

to the Lagna and in another case if Jup is looking and since it is expansive by

nature it would be XXX factored to the Lagna.

Bottom line from above is that the arudha changes from person to person so could

it something as simple as Lagna degrees which is a constant but arudha is a

variable.

I hope i am conveying my thoughts properly, and i am not revolting on Sanjayjis

knowledge in any way. Just trying to logically think.

4. The most imp thing that comes to my mind is if Sanjayjis knew about the deg

of AL then why hasn't it been mentioned in JHL, since if it is a knowledge of

parampara (as some say it is not mentioned in the classics) then there "surely

must be a use to the degs of AL"

Would love to know your thoughts on the above all

Kind regards

SJ

Mumbai

Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Freedom, Namaskar

Remember when Guruji taught how to see the Nakñatra of the Ärüòha Lagna? Simply

take the degree of Lagna and transpose that on the Ärüòha Lagna and other

Ärüòhas. i.e. if the Lagna is 26 degree, then the Ärüòha lagna will also be 26

degrees, as will all the other Ärüòhas.

Basically this means that the degree of the Bhäva is the same as the Ärüòha.

Yours,

Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org

freedom [freedom (AT) (DOT) org] 15 August 2004 20:18To:

varahamihira; Subject: [sJC:

Achyuta Gurukul] RE: |Sri Varaha| Degrees of Arudha Lagna, why not ?

Hare Rama KrsnaDear Sunil, My understanding is that it is possible to calculate

degrees but it is notused for general interpretation. The AL is mainly

interpreted based on thesign, its lord, conjunctions in the same sign, and the

placement of otherarudhas relative to it. Arudhas are recalculated in other

vargas based onthat lagna, so the degree is not needed to see the AL in other

vargas. Namah SivayaChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Sunil,If we understand that Arudha is reflection of the Lagna, reflector

being the Lagnesh, then degrees of AL would be Lagna degrees deducted from 30

degrees.Chandrashekhar.Sunil John wrote:

Dear PVR, Visti & other learned members,

Namaste

I have been thinking on the ALs degs for some time .

I am aware that the calculations of AL does not induce a degree to it. If HL, VL

and other special lagnas have degrees to it, cannot somehow a degree be brought

in TO AL.

OMHO, AL is the number of houses the lagna lord is away from the lagna, then

count the same number of houses from where Lagna lord is placed.

Both Lagna Lord has a degree to it and also the lagna, so can't a degree be

calculated for the Arudha Lagna. If not what is the logical reason behind it.

Your compassionate reply would be most appreciated

Sunil John

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Dear Sunil,

The principle of Arudha is based on the Bhava Bhavesh interaction, to

my understanding. As Bhavesh affects bhava so does he affect sign

equidistant and in opposite direction from the Bhavesh. If you look at

the treatment to position of various planets from Lagna Pada and

results given by the Sages, this would be clear. This again is why

Arudha results are sometimes said to be perception of others about the

Jataka. In a reflection you perceive your left hand as the image's

right hand. This is the reason why I think that if we have to arrive at

degrees of Arudha then to find out actual degrees the lagna spashta

will have to be deducted from 30 degrees. This of course is my personal

opinion and other may hold different views.

The reason the sages did not mention degrees of Arudha might have to do

with the fact of Jyotish having to do more with trying to help a

person by trying to find out his exact problems rather than

understanding the perception of his problems by others, which

(perception) would not lead to any solution. Your example of balance of

two individuals is the correct one to understand what is meant by

perception/Arudha. Others perception is not going to make one richer or

poorer for that matter.

Sanjay would be in a better position to tell you about the logic that

he used to treat Lagna spashta as Arudha spashta (degrees). Not much

information is given by the sages on use of Arudha and some paramparas

might have some hidden nuggets about them. Another reason could be that

Lagna spashta could be used to find out Dashas beginning from it. No

such use of Arudha is mentioned by the Sages. This is perhaps also the

reason Arudha spashta is not mentioned in JHL. It has enough

calculations as it is to enable one to make a fair prediction. It is as

a matter of fact kind of Narasimha to make the light version available

free of cost to all. He must have spent a lot of resources for

developing the software, both monetary and in terms of time and

knowledge to create the software. It would be too much to ask him to

add any features to it.

Arudha interpretation is not as simple as is assumed by many. One will

find that natal horoscope overrules many of the indication of Arudha

due to various factors, though the perception part mostly come out

right. An example would be the dictum of Mercury in second from Arudha

Pada making one Lord over whole country. You will find many with this

combination who might not be able to rule over their associates much

less the whole country.

Chandrashekhar.

Sunil John wrote:

U wrote

"If we understand that Arudha is

reflection of the Lagna, reflector being the Lagnesh, then degrees of

AL would be Lagna degrees deducted from 30 degrees.

Chandrashekhar."

Dear Chandrashekharji,

Greetings

Your answer has been most logical. Upon

thinking more on this let me express my views although I know it can be

wrong.

1. The AL is calculated as a reflection of

the Lagnesh, so i presume we can jargonize Lagnesh as the "Power

Source" of the "Lagna".

2. As Arudha is the image(reflection) of

the Lagna or Lagnesh, maybe the AL deg can be 30 deg minus Lagna or 30

degs minus Lagnesh.

for others too below is what was written

by Visti and Freedom on the Varahimihira group.

Chandrashekharji, what I wanted to also

bring out is that why the AL deg has not been mentioned in the classics

and since Sanjayji has mentioned in his teachings to Visti and Freedom,

why did he mention the exact degs of Lagna and why not 30 minus the deg

of Lagna, I mean Arudha is not the lagna, arudha is the "Image" or

reflection of the self.

3. Next point is that if we take an

example of wealth, 2 people having $50,000 in bank, one would be

perceived as being more rich than that which would be say $75,000 worth

and other would be perceived as $10,000 worth. So here i feel a

variable factor (multiplication kinds) comes in which would be

influenced or can be influenced by the various planets, e.g Mars could

be X factor multiplied to the Lagna and in another case if Jup is

looking and since it is expansive by nature it would be XXX factored to

the Lagna.

Bottom line from above is that the arudha

changes from person to person so could it something as simple as Lagna

degrees which is a constant but arudha is a variable.

I hope i am conveying my thoughts

properly, and i am not revolting on Sanjayjis knowledge in any way.

Just trying to logically think.

4. The most imp thing that comes to my

mind is if Sanjayjis knew about the deg of AL then why hasn't it been

mentioned in JHL, since if it is a knowledge of parampara (as some say

it is not mentioned in the classics) then there "surely must be a use

to the degs of AL"

Would love to know your thoughts on the

above all

Kind regards

SJ

Mumbai

Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Freedom, Namaskar

Remember when Guruji taught how to see the Nakñatra of

the Ärüòha Lagna? Simply take the degree of Lagna and transpose that on

the Ärüòha Lagna and other Ärüòhas. i.e. if the Lagna is 26 degree,

then the Ärüòha lagna will also be 26 degrees, as will all the other

Ärüòhas.

Basically this means that the degree of the Bhäva is

the same as the Ärüòha.

Yours,

Visti Larsen

visti (AT) (DOT) org

freedom

[freedom (AT) (DOT) org]

15 August 2004 20:18

varahamihira;

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] RE: |Sri Varaha|

Degrees of Arudha Lagna, why not ?

Hare

Rama Krsna

Dear Sunil,

My understanding is that it is possible

to calculate degrees but it is not

used for general interpretation. The AL

is mainly interpreted based on the

sign, its lord, conjunctions in the same

sign, and the placement of other

arudhas relative to it. Arudhas are

recalculated in other vargas based on

that lagna, so the degree is not needed

to see the AL in other vargas.

Namah Sivaya

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear

Sunil,

If we understand that Arudha is reflection of the Lagna, reflector

being the Lagnesh, then degrees of AL would be Lagna degrees deducted

from 30 degrees.

Chandrashekhar.

Sunil John wrote:

Dear

PVR, Visti & other learned members,

Namaste

I have

been thinking on the ALs degs for some time .

I am

aware that the calculations of AL does not induce a degree to it. If

HL, VL and other special lagnas have degrees to it, cannot somehow a

degree be brought in TO AL.

OMHO,

AL is the number of houses the lagna lord is away from the lagna, then

count the same number of houses from where Lagna lord is placed.

Both Lagna Lord has a degree to it and also the lagna, so can't a

degree be calculated for the Arudha Lagna. If not what is the logical

reason behind it.

Your

compassionate reply would be most appreciated

Sunil

John

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August 19, 2004

Thanks for your explanation and sorry for this delayed reply. Replying to ur second para

, sometimes it is perception which gets one work or gets the work done easily.

Many people suffer from image management and I am sure some remedies could

help.

But i think Arudha is not only perception, its ones image, hence when money

increases, ones image increases. Speaking on remedies on AL by the sages, if u

remember one of Shri Sanjay's famous remedies is wearing stone of 11th from AL.

Thanks for the Mer example.

I was not mentioning about PVR contribution to the Jyotish world by giving the

free software, but as to why a person of his calibre has missed out in applying

ALs degs in his software esp when the knowledge comes from Sanjayji.

SunilChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Sunil,The principle of Arudha is based on the Bhava Bhavesh interaction, to

my understanding. As Bhavesh affects bhava so does he affect sign equidistant

and in opposite direction from the Bhavesh. If you look at the treatment to

position of various planets from Lagna Pada and results given by the Sages,

this would be clear. This again is why Arudha results are sometimes said to be

perception of others about the Jataka. In a reflection you perceive your left

hand as the image's right hand. This is the reason why I think that if we have

to arrive at degrees of Arudha then to find out actual degrees the lagna

spashta will have to be deducted from 30 degrees. This of course is my personal

opinion and other may hold different views.The reason the sages did not mention

degrees of Arudha might have to do with

the fact of Jyotish having to do more with trying to help a person by trying to

find out his exact problems rather than understanding the perception of his

problems by others, which (perception) would not lead to any solution. Your

example of balance of two individuals is the correct one to understand what is

meant by perception/Arudha. Others perception is not going to make one richer

or poorer for that matter.Sanjay would be in a better position to tell you

about the logic that he used to treat Lagna spashta as Arudha spashta

(degrees). Not much information is given by the sages on use of Arudha and some

paramparas might have some hidden nuggets about them. Another reason could be

that Lagna spashta could be used to find out Dashas beginning from it. No such

use of Arudha is mentioned by the Sages. This is perhaps also the reason Arudha

spashta is not mentioned in JHL. It has enough calculations as it is to enable

one to make a fair prediction. It is as a matter of

fact kind of Narasimha to make the light version available free of cost to all.

He must have spent a lot of resources for developing the software, both

monetary and in terms of time and knowledge to create the software. It would be

too much to ask him to add any features to it.Arudha interpretation is not as

simple as is assumed by many. One will find that natal horoscope overrules many

of the indication of Arudha due to various factors, though the perception part

mostly come out right. An example would be the dictum of Mercury in second from

Arudha Pada making one Lord over whole country. You will find many with this

combination who might not be able to rule over their associates much less the

whole country.Chandrashekhar.Sunil John wrote:

U wrote

"If we understand that Arudha is reflection of the Lagna, reflector being the

Lagnesh, then degrees of AL would be Lagna degrees deducted from 30

degrees.Chandrashekhar."

Dear Chandrashekharji,

Greetings

Your answer has been most logical. Upon thinking more on this let me express my

views although I know it can be wrong.

1. The AL is calculated as a reflection of the Lagnesh, so i presume we can

jargonize Lagnesh as the "Power Source" of the "Lagna".

2. As Arudha is the image(reflection) of the Lagna or Lagnesh, maybe the AL deg

can be 30 deg minus Lagna or 30 degs minus Lagnesh.

for others too below is what was written by Visti and Freedom on the Varahimihira group.

Chandrashekharji, what I wanted to also bring out is that why the AL deg has not

been mentioned in the classics and since Sanjayji has mentioned in his teachings

to Visti and Freedom, why did he mention the exact degs of Lagna and why not 30

minus the deg of Lagna, I mean Arudha is not the lagna, arudha is the "Image"

or reflection of the self.

3. Next point is that if we take an example of wealth, 2 people having $50,000

in bank, one would be perceived as being more rich than that which would be say

$75,000 worth and other would be perceived as $10,000 worth. So here i feel a

variable factor (multiplication kinds) comes in which would be influenced or

can be influenced by the various planets, e.g Mars could be X factor multiplied

to the Lagna and in another case if Jup is looking and since it is expansive by

nature it would be XXX factored to the Lagna.

Bottom line from above is that the arudha changes from person to person so could

it something as simple as Lagna degrees which is a constant but arudha is a

variable.

I hope i am conveying my thoughts properly, and i am not revolting on Sanjayjis

knowledge in any way. Just trying to logically think.

4. The most imp thing that comes to my mind is if Sanjayjis knew about the deg

of AL then why hasn't it been mentioned in JHL, since if it is a knowledge of

parampara (as some say it is not mentioned in the classics) then there "surely

must be a use to the degs of AL"

Would love to know your thoughts on the above all

Kind regards

SJ

Mumbai

Hare Rama Krsna| Dear Freedom, Namaskar