MESH LAGNE DAARIDRYAM......Hypothetical question

July 16, 2004

Dear Friend,

An interesting question.

Unless there is something to MESHA LAGNA, this adage would not have

come into existence.

"Given a hypothetical same planetary placement in HOUSES but

different lagnas, would such a config show Poverty ?"

My be or may be not.

Self thinks that Mesha lagna is governed by Sani as 10th and 11th

lord and Guru is also 12th lord.hence problems arise due to Badhaka

nature and being 10th lord and Guru as 12th lord.Venus becomes 2nd

and 7th lord. Mercury the trader,buddhhi and cash register owns 3rd

and 6th houses.Very sensetive ownerships by Shubha grahas.

Not forgetting Mars who also owns 8th house.Hence transins become

very important when we see Mesha lagna.(They are no doubt important

to all lagnas)

Inputs by learned friends would enlighten this being.

Tatvam-Asi

vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao>

wrote:

>

> ` nmae naray[ay,

>

> om namo näräyaëäya|

> Namaste Tatvam Asi,

> The 2nd chart is worst than the 1st chart.Lagna is again Mesha and

all the planets are within Rahu -Ketu axis forming a severe KSY.the

lord of 4th indicating domestic happiness is in 12th showing that the

native does not have any mental happiness.5th lord Surya is in the

beginning of Rashi in Balavastha and Sayanavastha indicating the

native's father is always in debts as Surya is the natural Karaka for

father.Chandra is also under Paapa Kartari Yoga indicating his

mother's life also is in distress.Badhakadhipaty Shani placed in 8th

afflicts Lagna and 8th lord Kuja and this Kuja aspects the planets in

11th house indicating the native will have a life of poverty most of

his life.

> Worshipping of Mother Tripura Sundari may give prosperity to him in

future.

> With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> Ramadas Rao.

>

> nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

>

> Learned Friends,

> Following two birth details would make a very interesting study

about

> the dictum "Mesha Lagne Daaridryam.".

>

> It should not be taken as confirmed that people with Mesha Lagna

will

> remain poor all throughout their life but this being has seen that

> they pass through very very poor days and have hand to mouth

> existence for over a decade or two .

>

> Case # I

> Male

> DOB.....27.11.1949

> 16.15 HRS

> Rajkot

> India

>

> This person was born in a very rich family. After his birth, his

> father lost everything in a short span of time and till 1975, he

> experienced very very bad days in abject poverty. Then he joined a

> mill and is in the same place ever since.He is now ok.

>

> Case # 2

> Male

> DOB.....13th February 1986

> 10.10 am

> Asansol WB

> India

>

> Father of this boy is a rolling stone and always in debt.

> This boy, except for a very brief period of three years in

childhood

> has seen extreme poverty. This is a very puzzeling case. If you see

> the horoscope, Some Dhana Yogas are very powerful. But the fact is

> different.

> A very strong KSY is also present.

>

> Hope learned friends would have similar charts to compare and

discuss.

> Rgds

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

vedic astrology, Prabodh Vekhande

> <manyaprabodh> wrote:

> > Dear Nameisego Namste

> >

> > It will be interesting to read your opinion about

> > timing of Poverty(I suppose you mean financial!) in

> > the case of Mesha lagna. Moreover since you said that

> > Mesha lagna people are 'prone' to poverty. Did you

> > mean to suggest that usually they are in poverty by

> > choice?

> > Another point is that are there any exceptions to this

> > dictum in your view?

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> >

> > --- nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > Grandfather of self used to use this dictum .

> > > Very often this dictum has proved correct in the

> > > opinion of

> > > undersigned.

> > >

> > > People with Mesha Lagna are more prone to Poverty

> > > than may be most of

> > > the other Lagnas. At least for some time, these

> > > people have to

> > > undergo very bad phase of wants.

> > >

> > > It would be very interesting to know member's

> > > inputs.

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July 17, 2004

om namo näräyaëäya|

Namaste Tattvam - Asi,

I feel that for Mesha Lagna,Lagna lord Kuja is malefic for Shukra,Lakshmi

Karaka,Buddhi Karaka Budha and Karma Karaka Shani.Karma Karaka Shani becomes

Badhakadhipaty, Buddhi Karaka Budha becomes a dire malefic being the 3rd and

6th lord,the house of obstacles.Even Kuja becomes the lord of 8th house

also.Only Surya and Guru are friends to Kuja.Chandra is the lord of Karka Rashi

where Kuja is debilitated.Guru is also lord of 12th house,the house of

expenses.So for Mesha Lagna natives , Dhana Yogas are very rare.Normally they

suffer more in life to come up in life.

The above are my views only and others may differ in their views.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.nameisego <nameisego > wrote:

Dear Friend,An interesting question.Unless there is something to MESHA LAGNA,

this adage would not have come into existence."Given a hypothetical same

planetary placement in HOUSES but different lagnas, would such a config show

Poverty ?"My be or may be not.Self thinks that Mesha lagna is governed by Sani

as 10th and 11th lord and Guru is also 12th lord.hence problems arise due to

Badhaka nature and being 10th lord and Guru as 12th lord.Venus becomes 2nd and

7th lord. Mercury the trader,buddhhi and cash register owns 3rd and 6th

houses.Very sensetive ownerships by Shubha grahas.Not forgetting Mars who also

owns 8th house.Hence transins become very important when we see Mesha

lagna.(They are no doubt important to all lagnas)Inputs by learned friends

would enlighten this

being.Tatvam-Asivedic astrology, Ramadas Rao

<ramadasrao> wrote:> > ` nmae naray[ay,> > om namo näräyaëäya|> Namaste

Tatvam Asi,> The 2nd chart is worst than the 1st chart.Lagna is again Mesha and

all the planets are within Rahu -Ketu axis forming a severe KSY.the lord of 4th

indicating domestic happiness is in 12th showing that the native does not have

any mental happiness.5th lord Surya is in the beginning of Rashi in Balavastha

and Sayanavastha indicating the native's father is always in debts as Surya is

the natural Karaka for father.Chandra is also under Paapa Kartari Yoga

indicating his mother's life also is in distress.Badhakadhipaty Shani placed in

8th afflicts Lagna and 8th lord Kuja and this Kuja aspects the planets in 11th

house indicating the native will have a life of poverty most of his life.>

Worshipping

of Mother Tripura Sundari may give prosperity to him in future.> With Shri Hari

Vaayu Naama Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> > nameisego <nameisego> wrote:> >

Learned Friends,> Following two birth details would make a very interesting

study about > the dictum "Mesha Lagne Daaridryam.".> > It should not be taken

as confirmed that people with Mesha Lagna will > remain poor all throughout

their life but this being has seen that > they pass through very very poor days

and have hand to mouth > existence for over a decade or two .> > Case # I> Male

> DOB.....27.11.1949> 16.15 HRS> Rajkot> India> > This person was born in a

very rich family. After his birth, his > father lost everything in a short span

of time and till 1975, he > experienced very very bad days in abject poverty.

Then he joined a > mill

and is in the same place ever since.He is now ok.> > Case # 2> Male>

DOB.....13th February 1986> 10.10 am> Asansol WB> India> > Father of this boy

is a rolling stone and always in debt.> This boy, except for a very brief

period of three years in childhood > has seen extreme poverty. This is a very

puzzeling case. If you see > the horoscope, Some Dhana Yogas are very powerful.

But the fact is > different.> A very strong KSY is also present.> > Hope learned

friends would have similar charts to compare and discuss.> Rgds> > Tatvam-Asi> >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Prabodh Vekhande >

<manyaprabodh> wrote:> > Dear Nameisego Namste> > > > It will be

interesting to read your opinion about> >

timing of Poverty(I suppose you mean financial!) in> > the case of Mesha lagna.

Moreover since you said that> > Mesha lagna people are 'prone' to poverty. Did

you> > mean to suggest that usually they are in poverty by> > choice? > >

Another point is that are there any exceptions to this> > dictum in your view?>

> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.> > > > Prabodh Vekhande> > > > > > >

> --- nameisego <nameisego> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >

> Grandfather of self used to use this dictum .> > > Very often this dictum has

proved correct in the> > > opinion of > > > undersigned.> > > > > > People with

Mesha Lagna are more prone to Poverty> > > than may be most of >

> > the other Lagnas. At least for some time, these> > > people have to > > >

undergo very bad phase of wants.> > > > > > It would be very interesting to

know member's> > > inputs.> > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > > > > > > > > >

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July 17, 2004

Dear Ramadas ji,

Very simply and wonderfully explained.

Tatvam-Asi

ps.

NEXT LAGNA OF NOTE IS KUMBHA.

vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao>

wrote:

>

> ` nmae naray[ay,

>

> om namo näräyaëäya|

> Namaste Tattvam - Asi,

> I feel that for Mesha Lagna,Lagna lord Kuja is malefic for

Shukra,Lakshmi Karaka,Buddhi Karaka Budha and Karma Karaka

Shani.Karma Karaka Shani becomes Badhakadhipaty, Buddhi Karaka Budha

becomes a dire malefic being the 3rd and 6th lord,the house of

obstacles.Even Kuja becomes the lord of 8th house also.Only Surya and

Guru are friends to Kuja.Chandra is the lord of Karka Rashi where

Kuja is debilitated.Guru is also lord of 12th house,the house of

expenses.So for Mesha Lagna natives , Dhana Yogas are very

rare.Normally they suffer more in life to come up in life.

> The above are my views only and others may differ in their views.

> With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> Ramadas Rao.

>

> nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

>

> Dear Friend,

>

> An interesting question.

>

> Unless there is something to MESHA LAGNA, this adage would not have

> come into existence.

>

> "Given a hypothetical same planetary placement in HOUSES but

> different lagnas, would such a config show Poverty ?"

>

> My be or may be not.

>

> Self thinks that Mesha lagna is governed by Sani as 10th and 11th

> lord and Guru is also 12th lord.hence problems arise due to Badhaka

> nature and being 10th lord and Guru as 12th lord.Venus becomes 2nd

> and 7th lord. Mercury the trader,buddhhi and cash register owns 3rd

> and 6th houses.Very sensetive ownerships by Shubha grahas.

> Not forgetting Mars who also owns 8th house.Hence transins become

> very important when we see Mesha lagna.(They are no doubt important

> to all lagnas)

>

> Inputs by learned friends would enlighten this being.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao

> wrote:

> >

> > ` nmae naray[ay,

> >

> > om namo näräyaëäya|

> > Namaste Tatvam Asi,

> > The 2nd chart is worst than the 1st chart.Lagna is again Mesha

and

> all the planets are within Rahu -Ketu axis forming a severe KSY.the

> lord of 4th indicating domestic happiness is in 12th showing that

the

> native does not have any mental happiness.5th lord Surya is in the

> beginning of Rashi in Balavastha and Sayanavastha indicating the

> native's father is always in debts as Surya is the natural Karaka

for

> father.Chandra is also under Paapa Kartari Yoga indicating his

> mother's life also is in distress.Badhakadhipaty Shani placed in

8th

> afflicts Lagna and 8th lord Kuja and this Kuja aspects the planets

in

> 11th house indicating the native will have a life of poverty most

of

> his life.

> > Worshipping of Mother Tripura Sundari may give prosperity to him

in

> future.

> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> > Ramadas Rao.

> >

> > nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

> >

> > Learned Friends,

> > Following two birth details would make a very interesting study

> about

> > the dictum "Mesha Lagne Daaridryam.".

> >

> > It should not be taken as confirmed that people with Mesha Lagna

> will

> > remain poor all throughout their life but this being has seen

that

> > they pass through very very poor days and have hand to mouth

> > existence for over a decade or two .

> >

> > Case # I

> > Male

> > DOB.....27.11.1949

> > 16.15 HRS

> > Rajkot

> > India

> >

> > This person was born in a very rich family. After his birth, his

> > father lost everything in a short span of time and till 1975, he

> > experienced very very bad days in abject poverty. Then he joined

a

> > mill and is in the same place ever since.He is now ok.

> >

> > Case # 2

> > Male

> > DOB.....13th February 1986

> > 10.10 am

> > Asansol WB

> > India

> >

> > Father of this boy is a rolling stone and always in debt.

> > This boy, except for a very brief period of three years in

> childhood

> > has seen extreme poverty. This is a very puzzeling case. If you

see

> > the horoscope, Some Dhana Yogas are very powerful. But the fact

is

> > different.

> > A very strong KSY is also present.

> >

> > Hope learned friends would have similar charts to compare and

> discuss.

> > Rgds

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > vedic astrology, Prabodh Vekhande

> > <manyaprabodh> wrote:

> > > Dear Nameisego Namste

> > >

> > > It will be interesting to read your opinion about

> > > timing of Poverty(I suppose you mean financial!) in

> > > the case of Mesha lagna. Moreover since you said that

> > > Mesha lagna people are 'prone' to poverty. Did you

> > > mean to suggest that usually they are in poverty by

> > > choice?

> > > Another point is that are there any exceptions to this

> > > dictum in your view?

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > >

> > > --- nameisego <nameisego> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > Grandfather of self used to use this dictum .

> > > > Very often this dictum has proved correct in the

> > > > opinion of

> > > > undersigned.

> > > >

> > > > People with Mesha Lagna are more prone to Poverty

> > > > than may be most of

> > > > the other Lagnas. At least for some time, these

> > > > people have to

> > > > undergo very bad phase of wants.

> > > >

> > > > It would be very interesting to know member's

> > > > inputs.

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Namaste Tattvam - Asi,

You are most welcome.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.nameisego <nameisego > wrote:

Dear Ramadas ji,Very simply and wonderfully explained.Tatvam-Asips.NEXT LAGNA OF

NOTE IS KUMBHA.vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao

<ramadasrao> wrote:> > ` nmae naray[ay,> > om namo näräyaëäya|> Namaste

Tattvam - Asi,> I feel that for Mesha Lagna,Lagna lord Kuja is malefic for

Shukra,Lakshmi Karaka,Buddhi Karaka Budha and Karma Karaka Shani.Karma Karaka

Shani becomes Badhakadhipaty, Buddhi Karaka Budha becomes a dire malefic being

the 3rd and 6th lord,the house of obstacles.Even Kuja becomes the lord of 8th

house also.Only Surya and Guru are friends to Kuja.Chandra is the lord of Karka

Rashi where Kuja is debilitated.Guru is also lord of 12th house,the house of

expenses.So for Mesha Lagna natives , Dhana Yogas are very

rare.Normally they suffer more in life to come up in life.> The above are my

views only and others may differ in their views.> With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama

Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> > nameisego <nameisego> wrote:> > Dear Friend,> >

An interesting question.> > > Unless there is something to MESHA LAGNA, this

adage would not have > come into existence.> > "Given a hypothetical same

planetary placement in HOUSES but > different lagnas, would such a config show

Poverty ?"> > My be or may be not.> > Self thinks that Mesha lagna is governed

by Sani as 10th and 11th > lord and Guru is also 12th lord.hence problems arise

due to Badhaka > nature and being 10th lord and Guru as 12th lord.Venus becomes

2nd > and 7th lord. Mercury the trader,buddhhi and cash register owns 3rd > and

6th houses.Very sensetive ownerships

by Shubha grahas.> Not forgetting Mars who also owns 8th house.Hence transins

become > very important when we see Mesha lagna.(They are no doubt important >

to all lagnas)> > Inputs by learned friends would enlighten this being.> >

Tatvam-Asi> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao

<ramadasrao> > wrote:> > > > ` nmae naray[ay,> > > > om namo näräyaëäya|>

> Namaste Tatvam Asi,> > The 2nd chart is worst than the 1st chart.Lagna is

again Mesha and > all the planets are within Rahu -Ketu axis forming a severe

KSY.the > lord of 4th indicating domestic happiness is in 12th showing that the

> native does not have any mental happiness.5th lord Surya is in the > beginning

of Rashi in Balavastha and Sayanavastha indicating the > native's

father is always in debts as Surya is the natural Karaka for > father.Chandra is

also under Paapa Kartari Yoga indicating his > mother's life also is in

distress.Badhakadhipaty Shani placed in 8th > afflicts Lagna and 8th lord Kuja

and this Kuja aspects the planets in > 11th house indicating the native will

have a life of poverty most of > his life.> > Worshipping of Mother Tripura

Sundari may give prosperity to him in > future.> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama

Smarana,> > Ramadas Rao.> > > > nameisego <nameisego> wrote:> > > >

Learned Friends,> > Following two birth details would make a very interesting

study > about > > the dictum "Mesha Lagne Daaridryam.".> > > > It should not be

taken as confirmed that people with Mesha Lagna > will > > remain poor all

throughout their life but

this being has seen that > > they pass through very very poor days and have hand

to mouth > > existence for over a decade or two .> > > > Case # I> > Male > >

DOB.....27.11.1949> > 16.15 HRS> > Rajkot> > India> > > > This person was born

in a very rich family. After his birth, his > > father lost everything in a

short span of time and till 1975, he > > experienced very very bad days in

abject poverty. Then he joined a > > mill and is in the same place ever

since.He is now ok.> > > > Case # 2> > Male> > DOB.....13th February 1986> >

10.10 am> > Asansol WB> > India> > > > Father of this boy is a rolling stone

and always in debt.> > This boy, except for a very brief period of three years

in > childhood > > has seen extreme

poverty. This is a very puzzeling case. If you see > > the horoscope, Some Dhana

Yogas are very powerful. But the fact is > > different.> > A very strong KSY is

also present.> > > > Hope learned friends would have similar charts to compare

and > discuss.> > Rgds> > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

vedic astrology, Prabodh Vekhande > > <manyaprabodh>

wrote:> > > Dear Nameisego Namste> > > > > > It will be interesting to read your

opinion about> > > timing of Poverty(I suppose you mean financial!) in> > > the

case of Mesha lagna. Moreover since you said that> > > Mesha lagna people are

'prone' to poverty. Did you> > > mean to suggest that

usually they are in poverty by> > > choice? > > > Another point is that are

there any exceptions to this> > > dictum in your view?> > > > > > Thanks a lot

for your Time and Sapce.> > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande> > > > > > > > > > > > ---

nameisego <nameisego> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >

> > > Grandfather of self used to use this dictum .> > > > Very often this

dictum has proved correct in the> > > > opinion of > > > > undersigned.> > > >

> > > > People with Mesha Lagna are more prone to Poverty> > > > than may be

most of > > > > the other Lagnas. At least for some time, these> > > > people

have to >

> > > undergo very bad phase of wants.> > > > > > > > It would be very

interesting to know member's> > > > inputs.> > > > Tatvam-Asi> > > > > > > > >

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The general sayings about the phala of different lagnas only portray

"tendencies" NOT "destiny". For examples, Aries lagna natives often suffer toil

and hardship, Cancer natives have greater probability of short life(due to

Saturn who lords house of death as well as longevity). Similarly, it is

considered that Aquarius ascendant natives see poverty or lots of up-down in

their life (as lagnesh Saturn also rules 12th house and yoga karak Venus become

Bhadakesh). This is just because of functional ownership of planets falls in

significant houses and karakatwas.

Ramadas Rao beautifully illustrated how and why Aries is known as 'Mesh lagna

Daridaryam'. But this one, and this like other dosh, can not become bottom line

of the analysis. Various other factors have greater say in making and marring a

horoscope. A person can even die in the maha dasha of exalted lagna lord (eg.

Tagore), or become renown and ruler in the dasa/bukhti of functional

malefic(eg. President Bush), or confront obsticles in the period of

yoga-karaka.

Thus, only a systametic and balanced analysis can reveal the characteristic, and

forthcoming events. Dosh, arishata and daridra based on Lagna, Day, or Month

only show inclination and could not be maifest until other strong factors in

the chart do so.

RegardsM.IMRANRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

` nmae naray[ay,