RE: Rabindranath Tagore and Badhaka Chakar

July 19, 2004

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Imran,

Namste. i shall give a brief note on Badhaka chakra below in the manner i have

understood the same. i shall send in my analysis on Rabindranath Tagore chart

later.

Mesha is the lagna for Kaala purusha jataka. The karmic control planet and the

karaka of rebirth Rahu is the co-owner of Kumbha. From Kumbha he

intervenes(argala) in the affairs of the native with karmic motives. The native

is subject to punishments. Thus Rahu is in general the badhaka for kala

purusha jataka. Desire is another important portfolio of Rahu which is the root

cause for all bondages and rebirth. Hence we conclude that Rahu is the

natural/naisargik badhaka. Therefore for Mesha lagna Kumbha is the badhaka

kshetra.

Let us progress the ascendant. Now the ascendant is Vrishabha. You are aware

that Rahu always moves in anticlockwise direction(rahu is always retrograde in

motion). Let us progress the naisargik badhaka rahu. Rahu now moves to Makara.

For Vrishabha, Makara is the badhak kshetra.

Let us progress the ascendant further. Now the ascendant is Mithuna. The

progressed badhaka Rahu is in Dhanur rasi. Dhanur rasi is the badhaka kshetra

for Mithuna.

Let us progress the ascendant further. Now the ascendant is Kataka. The

progressed badhaka rahu is in Vrischika. Moon the lord of karka is debilitated

here. Vrischika is the badaka kshetra for kataka.

Let us progress the ascendant further. Now the ascendant is Simha. The

progressed badhaka rahu is in Tula. Sun the lord of Simha is debilitated here

in Tula. Tula is the badhaka kshetra for Tula.

Let us progress the ascendant further. Now the ascendant is Kanya. The

progressed badhaka rahu is in Mithuna. Buda dasa can cause obstacles to the

native of Kanya.

Similarly for

Tula the badhaka kshetra is Simha

Vrischika the badhaka kshetra is Karka

Dhanu the badhaka khsetra is Mithuna

Makara the badhaka kshetra is Vrishabha

Kumbha the badhaka kshetra is Mesha

Meena the badhaka kshetra is Meena .

It is with this background i had given a reply to you that the lord of Meena can

cause obstacles to Meena lagna natives.

This is what i understand from badhaka chakra. It is ofcourse a deviation from

the badhaka theroy that is generally practised.(11,9 & 7 for chara,sthira &

ubaya).

Rahu gives obstacles and ketu(Lord Ganesha) is the remover of obstacles.

Best wishes.

Astrologically yours,

psramanrayananDrive away out of trouble. Get a loan against your existing car.

July 19, 2004

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Imran,

There is a typo in my earlier mail. For the progressed ascendant Simha the

badhaka kshetra is Tula. i had inadvertently typed Tula instead of Simha. (Tula

for Tula).

Please take note of the correction also.

Best wishes.

Astrologically yours,

psramanrayananDrive away out of trouble. Get a loan against your existing car.

July 19, 2004

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Imran,

i give below the badhaka chakra in a tabular form so that it becomes easier to understand.

BADHAKA CHAKRA:-

Sl.No Progressed ascendant progressed badhaka

1. Mesha(to start) Kumbha

2. Vrishbha Makara

3. Mithuna Dhanur

4. Karka Vrischika

5. Simha Tula

6. Kanya Kanya

7. Tula Simha

8. Vrischika Karka

9. Dhanur Mithuna

10. Makara Vrishabha

11. Kumbha Mesha

12. Meena Meena

i hope the tabular form is easy to understand and would set the typos in my

earlier mail right. i thank Sasi for pointing out the typos.

Best wishes.

Astrologically yours,

psramanrayananThe bold ‘n the beautiful! The rich and the famous! Meet them all at one place!

July 19, 2004

Dear Mr.Ramanarayanan,

A very interesting concept! However, I cannot agree with your argument

of equating a badhaka with a ghataka. Your logic btw contravenes the

very basic fundamentals of Parasara where he has exonerated Lagna lord

from all doshas.

I would rather try to explain Tagore's death from Chandra, Ravi/Surya

Sphuta and Lagna Sphuta. To the best of my knowledge which is very

limited, death doesn't just mean the death of the mind(chandra

vimsottari). It must also be shown/read from the Surya Sphuta(Ravi

Vimsottari) and Lagna Sphuta(Lagna Vimsottari), which must symbolise

the seperation of the soul from the physical body.

May be Adhana Vimsottari dasa(8th from the moon)must also be studied. B

I am sure more learned members will reflect better.

warm regards,

Vishnu

--- "P.S. RAMANARAYANAN" <p_s_ramanarayanan wrote:

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Imran,

i give below the badhaka chakra in a tabular form so that it becomes

easier to understand.

BADHAKA CHAKRA:-

Sl.No Progressed ascendant progressed badhaka

1. Mesha(to start) Kumbha

2. Vrishbha Makara

3. Mithuna Dhanur

4. Karka Vrischika

5. Simha Tula

6. Kanya Kanya

7. Tula Simha

8. Vrischika Karka

9. Dhanur Mithuna

10. Makara Vrishabha

11. Kumbha Mesha

12. Meena Meena

i hope the tabular form is easy to understand and would set the typos

in my earlier mail right. i thank Sasi for pointing out the typos.

Best wishes.

Astrologically yours,

psramanrayanan

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July 20, 2004

You delineation regarding Badhaka sounds new approach (at least for me), that

needs logical illustration or reference.

According to your notion, the Meena is badhakasthan for itself. Its mean, that

factor causes death for the case of Rabindranath Tagore. But the counter

explanation of Vishnu Jandhyala seems more realistic. Few years ago, the very

topic of death of Tagore had been disussed on this group, and Visti and other

members were explained what I have said in my previous message.

Secondly, what do you mean by 'Progressed Lagna' and 'Progressed Badhaka', Would

you please explain through an example.

Regards

M.IMRAN

Vishnu Jandhyala <jvk1305 > wrote:

Dear Mr.Ramanarayanan,A very interesting concept! However, I cannot agree with

your argumentof equating a badhaka with a ghataka. Your logic btw contravenes

thevery basic fundamentals of Parasara where he has exonerated Lagna lordfrom

all doshas.I would rather try to explain Tagore's death from Chandra,

Ravi/SuryaSphuta and Lagna Sphuta. To the best of my knowledge which is

verylimited, death doesn't just mean the death of the mind(chandravimsottari).

It must also be shown/read from the Surya Sphuta(RaviVimsottari) and Lagna

Sphuta(Lagna Vimsottari), which must symbolisethe seperation of the soul from

the physical body.May be Adhana Vimsottari dasa(8th from the moon)must also be

studied. BI am sure more learned members will reflect better.warm

regards,Vishnu--- "P.S. RAMANARAYANAN"

wrote:SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAMAUM GURUBYO

NAMAHDear Imran,i give below the badhaka chakra in a tabular form so that it

becomeseasier to understand.BADHAKA CHAKRA:-Sl.No Progressed ascendant

progressed badhaka1. Mesha(to start) Kumbha2. Vrishbha Makara3. Mithuna

Dhanur4. Karka Vrischika5. Simha Tula6. Kanya Kanya7. Tula Simha8. Vrischika

Karka9. Dhanur Mithuna10. Makara Vrishabha11. Kumbha Mesha12. Meena Meenai hope

the tabular form is easy to understand and would set the typosin my earlier mail

right. i thank Sasi for pointing out the typos.Best wishes.Astrologically

yours,psramanrayananThe bold ‘n the beautiful!

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July 21, 2004

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Imran & Vishnu,

Thank you for your responses. The badhaka chakra brought out in my earlier mail

is believed to be the background material for the badhak theory that is

currently in vogue (11th for chara, 9th for sthira and 7th for ubaya rasis).

References for the above mentioned badhaka theory can be seen in Prasna Marga

and Jataka Parijatha(in fact JP gives further refinement of badhaka theory).

Badhaka chakra gives in general hints relating to cause of birth. When births

and deaths are to be understood in cycles it is felt that the starting and

ending points are to be met and crossed over. By the Chakra what can be

understood is that there is a greater possibility for natives of Meena and

Kanya lagna to lead themselves into self-undoing situations.

Progressed ascendants mean cyclical births.

Now as to the question why then the current badhaka theory deviates from badhaka

chakra, the answer is the discovery of progressional variance. This

progressional variance is on account of division of the zodiac into two

categories oddfooted and even footed

(Mesha/Vrishaba/Mithuna/Tula/Vrischika/Dhanu are odd footed and

Karka/Simha/Kanya/Makara/Kumbha/Meena are even footed) signs.

Why the lagna is considered beneficial house? It is because lagna is both a

Kendra and as well as a Kona. Lagna is Vishnu as well as Lakshmi sthana from

where Brahma rises. It is because of this reason Sage Vishwamitra instructs to

recite the Brihaspati Gayatri. (Reference - Rig-veda Mandala III, chapter 62

Sloka 6 “Vrishabam…”). It is because of this Sage Viswamithra instructs the

universal prayer –Gayathri Mantra (Rig Veda Mandala III chapter 62 Sloka 10).

Lagna is indeed very important as it is closely related to “dhi” which paves

way for vridhi(4th house) suddhi(7th house) and siddhi (10th house).

Birth by itself need not be considered as Dosha if the janma is to lead the

jeeva to the lotus feet of the Lord. Here in comes the importance of placement

of lagna lord. BPHS chapter 12 1st & 2nd sloka says that ‘should the ascendant

lord be conjunct a malefic or be in the 8th, 6th or 12th physical felicity

would diminish’. BPHS chapter 34 slokas 23rd & 24th speak about Vrishaba

ascendant. Here the Sage says that alongwith Jupiter and Moon, Venus the lagna

lord is to be considered as a malefic.

BPHS Chapter 34 slokas 43rd & 44th says sani and buda are killers for meena

lagna. Sani, Venus, Sun and Buda are malefics for Meena lagna. Moon the sign

dispositor for Guru placed in lagna is in Revathi while Ayush karaka Sani is

placed in Maka. Revathi and Maka are Nakshatr veda combination.

Chapter 46 Slokas 2nd to 5th in BPHS says Vimsottari is the most appropriate

dasa for the general populace.

Chapter III Quarter III of Jaimini Upadesa Sutras takes into account the arudha

pada of the ascendant for the purpose of reckoning death related issues. Moon

is the karaka for Lagna arudha. Vimsottari dasa gives clues/hints relating to

impermanent body too.

One of the fundamental and general principles is that a malefic planet (includes

upagraha) in a particular star will yield its evil effects in the dasa related

to that star. Gulika posited in 8th is placed in Visakha Nakshatra whose

Vimsottari dasa lord Guru was in operation during the year 1941. Moreover Guru

is in Garala Shastyamsa and is associated with Mrityupada in the chart. Garala

means venom or poison. Also Guru is placed in quadrants to Venus the malefic

8th lord,Rudra and Gulika bhavanadipati(sign dispositor) and badhaka Buda.

Planets in quadrants act hand in hand, in other words co-operate with each

other. This is also the fundamental principle of the BPHS (chapter 32 slokas

25-30) & Prasna Marga (chapter XV). Also Lagna lord is the lord of 8th house

placed in 7th house in Trimsamsa(a chart depicting evils that

befall man – chapter 7 slokhas 1-8 – trimshamshake rishta palam).

It will help me a great deal if Vishnu can help me in locating that fundamental

principle (seen only from the rasi chart) from BPHS, that lagna lord will not

give the unexpected!

With reference to Arudha lagna the badhaka lord Moon is placed in 5th and Guru

is placed in 9th house, which speaks about the bandhana on the Shareera caused

by the badhakas.

Let us have a look at the Shastyamsa chart. Guru is placed in 11th house from

Lagna and in 3rd from Arudha lagna. Guru is subject to the aspects of Sani and

Venus. Tagore might have died (past birth) on account of kidney

ailment/indigestion and he would have had the prior knowledge of his death.

Badhaka Buda alongwith karmic graha Ketu is placed in quadrant to Guru. Now let

us look at the Moola dasa. The dasa ruling during the year 1941 was Guru and

Antardasa lord was badhaka Buda (buda is the vimsottari dasa lord of the

nakshatra Asresha in which Guru is posited in the current birth). Guru is the

last dasa lord of the past karma. This is a clear hint that Guru dasa can

bring about death. The next Moola dasa cycle begins 8th May 1942.

Death of Tagore can be directly seen from Shat Trimsa Sama dasa, which is

applicable (birth has taken place at night in the Hora of Moon) in this case.

Buda (badhaka) is the governor of this dasa and is placed in Kendra from AK

Guru. Venus the 8th lord caused death in his dasa in association with the

Antardasa Lord Guru who is associated with Mrityupada.

As per Vimsottari dasa started from Moon Rahu dasa ends on 2nd June 1941 at 23

hours 42 mts and 4 seconds. As per Vimsottari variation dasa started with

reference to the 8th star from Janma nakshatra Sun dasa ends 19th September.

1941. As the ending dates are close the period between 2nd June and 19th

September proved fatal.

Makara dasa and Dhanur Antar dasa was running at the time of death. Makara is

the 8th house in Rudramsa and Dhanur is the Rudra bahya(exterior- exitdoor)

which indicates clear possibility of death during this period.

Guru is theAtmakaraka,is the sign dispositor of Moon and is also the lagna lord.

Guru dasa(as per vimsottari dasa scheme) which brought about the death gives a

clear hint of the separation of body, mind and soul.

Ever ready to learn fundamentals,

Astrologically yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan.

Muhammad Imran <astroimran > wrote:

Dear Ramanarayanan,