Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| Dear Saaji, If u remember we have some discussion before on marriage!! Along with customs and traditions I think if two have mental , physical relations about a year then it's consider as an marriage from Mahabharta age!! Hence only I suggest in my previous mail to shift UL to 8th from there!! It's written in 3rd para!! So we are sailing in same direction!! :-) Regarding marriage as per dharma and for dharma I ref D9!! If I rem correctly, for those marriage is just for lower desires and not for dharma we have to stick to rasi !! But when traditional marriage and role of dharma is to be played we should go to navmasa. Am I correct? Hence only I ask why Rahu has not given such marriage and i think this was native's intellect which neglect the marriage!! I think I 'd written on that also! OK BigB!! Any way waiting for results of an interview!! :-) Regards, Vinay ============================================================================================================== OH Your discussion is shifted to 4th house and Jup Dasa!! Now regarding House if we look into D4 we see Jup is debilitated , placed in 3rd H and lord of 2,5H 3rd is 12th H to 4th and Jup is marak sthanadhipati (5th L) also to 3th in D4 and Sani is in 7th H (4th L also)with moon again exalted and 9th L! I this points may also help!! One more question to Sri Pran , In Rahu dasa, home was provided by the company!! OR was it on ownership? Regards, Vinay "saaji kulangara" <saajik> Tue Jul 6, 2004 3:31 pm Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) Om Subrahmanyaya NamahDear Sri Pran,Should we blame Rahu or Jupiter for this situation? I think Jupiteris the problem here. Jupiter occupies benefic shadvargas, but is in aRasi Sandhi, debilitated in Dasamsa and being 2nd L and Dhanakarakahe occupies the 6th(debts, diseases) aspected by Sani from 4th.(ShivaSahasranaamam could have helped) From Moon he's in the 12th as 11thL. So the problem has been Dasa sandhi coupled with sadesati. (Evenifthis happended in Rahu Dasa end, we may say that this is because ofthe problems he had to bear in Ju AD).Sani AD may be helpful in marriage and even though you clarified thepoints, I couldn't reconcile this :- ) Ofcourse predictions goingwrong do not affect me, but in this matter, till I learn more I'llstand by what all I've written, atleast in a bit different context!Native's Sani AD will be good. He's a YK from Moon, and also occupiesa kendra from Lagna/Moon and 11th from Jupiter. So the AD may helphim recover from the situation he's in. Thereafter Me AD should beeven more better. Since an exalted 9th Lord Moon occupies the 7th,and the 7th lord from Moon, Mars occupies the 2nd, the native cangain through marriage also.Maharshi Parasara, whose words are beyond question, says recitationof Shiva Sahasranaamam can reduce the evils in Ju AD.Best Wishes,Saajivedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>wrote:> I am thnakful to friends Saaji, Vinay and Sanjeev for their effortsto> study the horoscope of the Jatak I had posted on the site. The> unanimous assessment of everybody seems to be that the coming SatAD in> Jup MD should bring in the marriage.> Let me tell you something more about the Jatak. An extremelybrilliant> computer engineer, he is in USA for the last 14 years and has seenthe> best of his time in his life, career etc in the Rahu dasa. But oncethe> dasa was over, it took away everything-quite expected of thisplanet.> So the question raised by Anil is really pertinent as to why the> marriage didnot comeup in this dasa when everything else did come.And> this question has been raised earlier too.> Presently the jatak is almost houseless and penniless.And alsohaving> health problems (Jupiter in 6th?) I am not sure how his 4th house is> going to help him in getting a house etc. Text books say that in a> scorpio lagan, saturn is helpful. And being in own house all themore> reason. But my experience with Saturn owning houses is not always as> written in text books. And Rahu again aspects this house.> Pran Razdan>>>>>>>> --- saaji kulangara <saajik> wrote:> > Hi Vinay,> >> > At least in my view, your doubts are not unfound. Moon in the 7th> > that> > too an exalted 9th Lord is good for an early marriage, provided> > other combinations are supportive. And the distance between Lagnaand> >> > 7th Lord to some extent determine whether the marriage is earlyor> > delayed. This is the same both from Lagna and Moon.> > (Sasankalagnopagataihi). And then the 7th Lord and karaka, Venus(both> > same) in common sign indicate more than one marriage, and also a> > strong Kuja Dosha. For more than one marriage one should marryfirst> > and then that should break. What you say? The combination in the8th> > (marriage thread) is not good for happiness in marriage, although> > that being Lagna and 7th Lords show good bond between thepartners.> > (I gave a hint in the last line in the first para in my earlierpost)> >> > This is the way I looked in this chart!> >> > BTW, How was your interview?> >> > Best Wishes,> >> > Saaji> >> >> > vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay"> > <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:> > > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||> > >> > > Dear Saaji and Shri Pran,> > >> > > I just see Saaji's self expainatory mail on List and besidesthe> > point given by you I'll like to add just few cents with mylimited> > kowledge.> > >> > > It's interesting why Rahu has not given a marriage a native !!Can> > learned members throw some light on this!!> > > I think Rahu is in 12th from pakka lagna in navmasa and 8thfrom> > UL,AL might be the reasons can Guru's or learned members throwsome> > more light so as all of us will get benefited!!> > >> > > Initially in Rasi Chart 2nd from UL is aspected byMars+Ven+Rahu> > combination from Dual rasi 8th H! So I think if we adoptMahabharat> > way we should progress UL to 8th from there and accordingly!!> > >> > > For Rahu MD Rahu even though with Ven, causes obstructingargala to> >> > 7th H in D9 and placed in 12th H to Lagna lord (Sun ) and 7thlord> > (Sat)!> > > His full dasa goes in neglecting the marriage. and no need to> > explain Ven+rahu!!> > >> > > Now Guru MD starts and Guru is in 5th H aspecting 1st housewith> > sun + Sat (1+7 Lords) So his MD may give him marriage!!> > > Now Sat AD is about to start and Sat is 7th Lord plus aspecting7th> >> > and causing argala on 7th H in D9 so his AD can surely give a> > marriage.> > > Now if we go to Pratyantar Sat/Mer both are capable to give> > marriage but i think mer is stronger .> > >> > > So I think auspisious time to get married for native is just> > ahead!!> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Vinay Patwardhan> > >> > >> > >> > --> > ------------> > >> > > "saaji kulangara" <saajik>> > > Mon Jul 5, 2004 4:28 pm> > > Re> > >> > >> > >> > > Om Subrahmanyaya Namah> > > hari Om> > >> > > Dear Sri Pran,> > >> > > As far as my little knowledge in Astrology goes, marriagehas> >> > to> > > be seen from 7th house, 7th Lord and the karaka, Venus.Here> > in this> > > case Jup 5th Lord joins the 7th house in Bhava which isnot> > good for> > > marriage and the 7th Lord and Karaka, both, Venus isheavily> > > afflicted in the 8th by Mars and Rahu.Sani aspects Lagna.> > From Moon> > > also 7th lord is afflicted and occupies 8th. Yet, Moon is> > strongly> > > placed in the 7th, Lagna and 7th Lords are joined andthey> > both> > > occupy a dual sign.> > >> > > I also go with your analysis. Shani AD is to start, andhe> > aspects> > > the 7th from Moon. He's in UL. He's going to transit the3rd> > from> > > Moon, 9th from Lagna. In the Navamsa also his transit ison> > the 7th> > > from Moon being Lagna Lord.(Marriage can happen whenLagna> > Lord> > > transits the 7th house). Jupiter's transit also very> > favourable.> > > Hence there is a good chance for marriage in the coming> > Saturn AD,> > > especially before Ju moves on to Libra.> > >> > > Best Regards,> > >> > > Saaji> > >> > >> > >> > > --- In vedic astrology, "pnrazdan"> > <pnrazdan>> > > wrote:> > > > Om Shri Ganeshay Namah> > > > On the eve of my joining this holy group ofAstrologists,> > my pranams> > > > to all the readers and to this great knowlege inheritedby> > us from> > > our> > > > sages.> > > > A little introduction. I am a Statistician byprofession> > retired> > > from> > > > Govt service. My interest in astrology began five years> > back in USA> > > > where our cultural knowledge is better respected and> > preserved. From> > > > Western astrology, I shifted to Jyotish. I look forwardto> > reading> > > > healthy discussions and valuable contributions from allof> > you on> > > > this site.> > > > I have a scorpio born subject (born 2nd August 196414.22> > pm at> > > > Srinagar Kashmir 34N05,74E49) whose seventh lord venusis> > in eigth> > > > house with rahu and mars in close proximity. No aspectto> > 7th house.> > > > The jatak is still unmarried even having past fortyyears.> > Is there> > > > any hope of marriage? I see some encouraging sign from9th> > lord> > > > exalted in 7th house. I dont know whether it willoverrule> > the Venus> > > > dosha? If so when would be the probable date? Jatak is> > running his> > > > Jupiter dasha with Saturn bukhti in late Nov this year.> > Saturn is> > > > powerful in its own house in 4th. Can this help?> > > > Regards,> > > > Pran Razdan> > > > Gurgaon> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| Respected Vistiji, Pranam. Thanks for reminding of Baadhakesh!! Really every great ridle is having a very simple solution!! I will remember Baadhakesha for ever because it brings your first mail to me!! In otherwords I should be thankful for forgetting about baadhakesh!! Many thanks for clearing it! Now as you said UL lord should be strong to get married to that potential spouse! In this case we have two lords for UL one Sat is explained by you but what about Rahu? He's in Ge I think it's strong as per rasi and with Ven (Vivah karka) and with mars (planet for passion) and in close conjuction (just around 2 deg from each) but placed in 8th H!! Should we look into this also? I'm recently come across a chart where Debilitated Sat is placed in UL and unfortunately it's a badhaka sthana! But UL lord is strong and placed in Kendra !! He got engage to a Girl but unfortunately she expires in accident!! Afterthis He give up materialistic world and start on spiritual path!! ( Leo Asc. Guru+Ketu in Vi, Mars in Sc, Rahu in Pi, Sat in Ar, Ven in Ta, Mer in Ge, Sun+moon in Cn. If u wish I'll prepare JHL chart and send it currently I don't have ready chart) My point is if UL is afflicted and it's lord is strong (by rasi and placement) then will it give marriage? Also like co-borns should we apply the rule of asociation of nodes to count no of progressions of Ul in chart? Pls give some further directions to get such vital explanations !! Really thankful for sending such eyeopener !! Regards, Vinay Patwardhan - Visti Larsen 'patwardhanvinay' Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:41 PM RE: [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) |Hare Räma Kåñëa| Dear Vinay, Namaskar Why not just look at the chart to understand that? If the Upapada and its lord are strong, then you get married to that potential spouse. If it’s weak then the marriage does not happen. In this chart Bädhakeña-Moon is in the 7th house, that’s why he is yet to marry. Now if you see the Upapada lord its strong in Aquarius, but retrograde – pravrajya yoga, hence the partner constantly changes her mind, or runs away from the idea of marriage… but first he has to find the partner. Best wishes, Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] 06 July 2004 14:39vedic astrologyCc: saajik Subject: [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| Dear Saaji, If u remember we have some discussion before on marriage!! Along with customs and traditions I think if two have mental , physical relations about a year then it's consider as an marriage from Mahabharta age!! Hence only I suggest in my previous mail to shift UL to 8th from there!! It's written in 3rd para!! So we are sailing in same direction!! :-) Regarding marriage as per dharma and for dharma I ref D9!! If I rem correctly, for those marriage is just for lower desires and not for dharma we have to stick to rasi !! But when traditional marriage and role of dharma is to be played we should go to navmasa. Am I correct? Hence only I ask why Rahu has not given such marriage and i think this was native's intellect which neglect the marriage!! I think I 'd written on that also! OK BigB!! Any way waiting for results of an interview!! :-) Regards, Vinay ============================================================================================================== OH Your discussion is shifted to 4th house and Jup Dasa!! Now regarding House if we look into D4 we see Jup is debilitated , placed in 3rd H and lord of 2,5H 3rd is 12th H to 4th and Jup is marak sthanadhipati (5th L) also to 3th in D4 and Sani is in 7th H (4th L also)with moon again exalted and 9th L! I this points may also help!! One more question to Sri Pran , In Rahu dasa, home was provided by the company!! OR was it on ownership? Regards, Vinay "saaji kulangara" <saajik> Tue Jul 6, 2004 3:31 pm Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) Om Subrahmanyaya NamahDear Sri Pran,Should we blame Rahu or Jupiter for this situation? I think Jupiteris the problem here. Jupiter occupies benefic shadvargas, but is in aRasi Sandhi, debilitated in Dasamsa and being 2nd L and Dhanakarakahe occupies the 6th(debts, diseases) aspected by Sani from 4th.(ShivaSahasranaamam could have helped) From Moon he's in the 12th as 11thL. So the problem has been Dasa sandhi coupled with sadesati. (Evenifthis happended in Rahu Dasa end, we may say that this is because ofthe problems he had to bear in Ju AD).Sani AD may be helpful in marriage and even though you clarified thepoints, I couldn't reconcile this :- ) Ofcourse predictions goingwrong do not affect me, but in this matter, till I learn more I'llstand by what all I've written, atleast in a bit different context!Native's Sani AD will be good. He's a YK from Moon, and also occupiesa kendra from Lagna/Moon and 11th from Jupiter. So the AD may helphim recover from the situation he's in. Thereafter Me AD should beeven more better. Since an exalted 9th Lord Moon occupies the 7th,and the 7th lord from Moon, Mars occupies the 2nd, the native cangain through marriage also.Maharshi Parasara, whose words are beyond question, says recitationof Shiva Sahasranaamam can reduce the evils in Ju AD.Best Wishes,Saajivedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>wrote:> I am thnakful to friends Saaji, Vinay and Sanjeev for their effortsto> study the horoscope of the Jatak I had posted on the site. The> unanimous assessment of everybody seems to be that the coming SatAD in> Jup MD should bring in the marriage.> Let me tell you something more about the Jatak. An extremelybrilliant> computer engineer, he is in USA for the last 14 years and has seenthe> best of his time in his life, career etc in the Rahu dasa. But oncethe> dasa was over, it took away everything-quite expected of thisplanet.> So the question raised by Anil is really pertinent as to why the> marriage didnot comeup in this dasa when everything else did come.And> this question has been raised earlier too.> Presently the jatak is almost houseless and penniless.And alsohaving> health problems (Jupiter in 6th?) I am not sure how his 4th house is> going to help him in getting a house etc. Text books say that in a> scorpio lagan, saturn is helpful. And being in own house all themore> reason. But my experience with Saturn owning houses is not always as> written in text books. And Rahu again aspects this house.> Pran Razdan>>>>>>>> --- saaji kulangara <saajik> wrote:> > Hi Vinay,> >> > At least in my view, your doubts are not unfound. Moon in the 7th> > that> > too an exalted 9th Lord is good for an early marriage, provided> > other combinations are supportive. And the distance between Lagnaand> >> > 7th Lord to some extent determine whether the marriage is earlyor> > delayed. This is the same both from Lagna and Moon.> > (Sasankalagnopagataihi). And then the 7th Lord and karaka, Venus(both> > same) in common sign indicate more than one marriage, and also a> > strong Kuja Dosha. For more than one marriage one should marryfirst> > and then that should break. What you say? The combination in the8th> > (marriage thread) is not good for happiness in marriage, although> > that being Lagna and 7th Lords show good bond between thepartners.> > (I gave a hint in the last line in the first para in my earlierpost)> >> > This is the way I looked in this chart!> >> > BTW, How was your interview?> >> > Best Wishes,> >> > Saaji> >> >> > vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay"> > <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:> > > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||> > >> > > Dear Saaji and Shri Pran,> > >> > > I just see Saaji's self expainatory mail on List and besidesthe> > point given by you I'll like to add just few cents with mylimited> > kowledge.> > >> > > It's interesting why Rahu has not given a marriage a native !!Can> > learned members throw some light on this!!> > > I think Rahu is in 12th from pakka lagna in navmasa and 8thfrom> > UL,AL might be the reasons can Guru's or learned members throwsome> > more light so as all of us will get benefited!!> > >> > > Initially in Rasi Chart 2nd from UL is aspected byMars+Ven+Rahu> > combination from Dual rasi 8th H! So I think if we adoptMahabharat> > way we should progress UL to 8th from there and accordingly!!> > >> > > For Rahu MD Rahu even though with Ven, causes obstructingargala to> >> > 7th H in D9 and placed in 12th H to Lagna lord (Sun ) and 7thlord> > (Sat)!> > > His full dasa goes in neglecting the marriage. and no need to> > explain Ven+rahu!!> > >> > > Now Guru MD starts and Guru is in 5th H aspecting 1st housewith> > sun + Sat (1+7 Lords) So his MD may give him marriage!!> > > Now Sat AD is about to start and Sat is 7th Lord plus aspecting7th> >> > and causing argala on 7th H in D9 so his AD can surely give a> > marriage.> > > Now if we go to Pratyantar Sat/Mer both are capable to give> > marriage but i think mer is stronger .> > >> > > So I think auspisious time to get married for native is just> > ahead!!> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Vinay Patwardhan> > >> > >> > >> > --> > ------------> > >> > > "saaji kulangara" <saajik>> > > Mon Jul 5, 2004 4:28 pm> > > Re> > >> > >> > >> > > Om Subrahmanyaya Namah> > > hari Om> > >> > > Dear Sri Pran,> > >> > > As far as my little knowledge in Astrology goes, marriagehas> >> > to> > > be seen from 7th house, 7th Lord and the karaka, Venus.Here> > in this> > > case Jup 5th Lord joins the 7th house in Bhava which isnot> > good for> > > marriage and the 7th Lord and Karaka, both, Venus isheavily> > > afflicted in the 8th by Mars and Rahu.Sani aspects Lagna.> > From Moon> > > also 7th lord is afflicted and occupies 8th. Yet, Moon is> > strongly> > > placed in the 7th, Lagna and 7th Lords are joined andthey> > both> > > occupy a dual sign.> > >> > > I also go with your analysis. Shani AD is to start, andhe> > aspects> > > the 7th from Moon. He's in UL. He's going to transit the3rd> > from> > > Moon, 9th from Lagna. In the Navamsa also his transit ison> > the 7th> > > from Moon being Lagna Lord.(Marriage can happen whenLagna> > Lord> > > transits the 7th house). Jupiter's transit also very> > favourable.> > > Hence there is a good chance for marriage in the coming> > Saturn AD,> > > especially before Ju moves on to Libra.> > >> > > Best Regards,> > >> > > Saaji> > >> > >> > >> > > --- In vedic astrology, "pnrazdan"> > <pnrazdan>> > > wrote:> > > > Om Shri Ganeshay Namah> > > > On the eve of my joining this holy group ofAstrologists,> > my pranams> > > > to all the readers and to this great knowlege inheritedby> > us from> > > our> > > > sages.> > > > A little introduction. I am a Statistician byprofession> > retired> > > from> > > > Govt service. My interest in astrology began five years> > back in USA> > > > where our cultural knowledge is better respected and> > preserved. From> > > > Western astrology, I shifted to Jyotish. I look forwardto> > reading> > > > healthy discussions and valuable contributions from allof> > you on> > > > this site.> > > > I have a scorpio born subject (born 2nd August 196414.22> > pm at> > > > Srinagar Kashmir 34N05,74E49) whose seventh lord venusis> > in eigth> > > > house with rahu and mars in close proximity. No aspectto> > 7th house.> > > > The jatak is still unmarried even having past fortyyears.> > Is there> > > > any hope of marriage? I see some encouraging sign from9th> > lord> > > > exalted in 7th house. I dont know whether it willoverrule> > the Venus> > > > dosha? If so when would be the probable date? Jatak is> > running his> > > > Jupiter dasha with Saturn bukhti in late Nov this year.> > Saturn is> > > > powerful in its own house in 4th. Can this help?> > > > Regards,> > > > Pran Razdan> > > > Gurgaon> > Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 |Hare Räma Kåñëa| Dear Vinay, Namaskar Comments below. Yours, bold">Visti Larsen color:#4E81C4"> visti (AT) (DOT) org Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] 06 July 2004 20:23 Visti Larsen Cc: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) 12.0pt"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:red">||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Respected Vistiji, 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Pranam. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Thanks for reminding of Baadhakesh!! Really every great ridle is having a very simple solution!! I will remember Baadhakesha for ever because it brings your first mail to me!! In otherwords I should be thankful for forgetting about baadhakesh!! Many thanks for clearing it! 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Now as you said UL lord should be strong to get married to that potential spouse! In this case we have two lords for UL one Sat is explained by you but what about Rahu? He's in Ge I think it's strong as per rasi and with Ven (Vivah karka) and with mars (planet for passion) and in close conjuction (just around 2 deg from each) 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">but placed in 8th H!! Should we look into this also? font-family:Arial"> bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] In such cases there will be 2 potential spouses. Incase of Srila Prabhupada UL is again in Aquarius and he was said to have wanted to marry someone other than his wife, but he married on the condition that he could have 2 wives. In that case Rähu was AK in Aqua, and hence Saturn will dominate the lordship of Aqua. In this case Saturn is in Aqua and hence Rähu will indicate the person he will actually be able to marry. But both people will be in his life. Rähu is in the 8th house and there maybe feelings of indebtedness, guilt in the marriage to this spouse. font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy"> 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I'm recently come across a chart where Debilitated Sat is placed in UL and unfortunately it's a badhaka sthana! But UL lord is strong and placed in Kendra !! He got engage to a Girl but unfortunately she expires in accident!! Afterthis He give up materialistic world and start on spiritual path!! ( Leo Asc. Guru+Ketu in Vi, Mars in Sc, Rahu in Pi, Sat in Ar, Ven in Ta, Mer in Ge, Sun+moon in Cn. If u wish I'll prepare JHL chart and send it currently I don't have ready chart) color:navy"> bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Please do give the chart. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">My point is if UL is afflicted and it's lord is strong (by rasi and placement) then will it give marriage? color:navy"> bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Yes, usually the affliction of the Upapada itself is not enough unless the lord is also weak/ill placed. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Also like co-borns should we apply the rule of asociation of nodes to count no of progressions of Ul in chart? Pls give some further directions to get such vital explanations !! Really thankful for sending such eyeopener !! bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Guruji did once say that one should use that technique with the Navämça. This would mean that if either of the nodes associated with the house of the spouse or its lord, that it would end the number of marriages. Let’s first see the charts before proving a principle as there are can be a few riders to this too. font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy"> 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regards, 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Vinay Patwardhan 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">- margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> Visti Larsen font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">'patwardhanvinay' font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:41 PM font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">RE: [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) 12.0pt"> |Hare Räma Kåñëa| Dear Vinay, Namaskar Why not just look at the chart to understand that? If the Upapada and its lord are strong, then you get married to that potential spouse. If it’s weak then the marriage does not happen. In this chart Bädhakeña-Moon is in the 7th house, that’s why he is yet to marry. Now if you see the Upapada lord its strong in Aquarius, but retrograde – pravrajya yoga, hence the partner constantly changes her mind, or runs away from the idea of marriage… but first he has to find the partner. Best wishes, bold">Visti Larsen color:#4E81C4"> visti (AT) (DOT) org font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] 06 July 2004 14:39 To: vedic astrology Cc: saajik [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) 12.0pt"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:red">||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Dear Saaji, font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">If u remember we have some discussion before on marriage!! 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Along with customs and traditions I think if two have mental , physical relations about a year then it's consider as an marriage from Mahabharta age!! Hence only I suggest in my previous mail to shift UL to 8th from there!! It's written in 3rd para!! So we are sailing in same direction!! :-) font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regarding marriage as per dharma and for dharma I ref D9!! If I rem correctly, for those marriage is just for lower desires and not for dharma we have to stick to rasi !! But when traditional marriage and role of dharma is to be played we should go to navmasa. Am I correct? Hence only I ask why Rahu has not given such marriage and i think this was native's intellect which neglect the marriage!! I think I 'd written on that also! font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">OK BigB!! font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Any way waiting for results of an interview!! :-) 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regards, font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Vinay font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">============================================================================================================== 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"> OH Your discussion is shifted to 4th house and Jup Dasa!! font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Now regarding House if we look into D4 we see Jup is debilitated , placed in 3rd H and lord of 2,5H 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">3rd is 12th H to 4th and Jup is marak sthanadhipati (5th L) also to 3th in D4 and Sani is in 7th H (4th L also)with moon again exalted and 9th L! 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I this points may also help!! font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">One more question to Sri Pran , font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">In Rahu dasa, home was provided by the company!! OR was it on ownership? font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regards, font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Vinay font-family:Arial"> "saaji kulangara" <saajik> Tue Jul 6, 2004 3:31 pm Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) Om Subrahmanyaya Namah Dear Sri Pran, Should we blame Rahu or Jupiter for this situation? I think Jupiter is the problem here. Jupiter occupies benefic shadvargas, but is in a Rasi Sandhi, debilitated in Dasamsa and being 2nd L and Dhanakaraka he occupies the 6th(debts, diseases) aspected by Sani from 4th.(Shiva Sahasranaamam could have helped) From Moon he's in the 12th as 11th L. So the problem has been Dasa sandhi coupled with sadesati. (Evenif this happended in Rahu Dasa end, we may say that this is because of the problems he had to bear in Ju AD). Sani AD may be helpful in marriage and even though you clarified the points, I couldn't reconcile this :- ) Ofcourse predictions going wrong do not affect me, but in this matter, till I learn more I'll stand by what all I've written, atleast in a bit different context! Native's Sani AD will be good. He's a YK from Moon, and also occupies a kendra from Lagna/Moon and 11th from Jupiter. So the AD may help him recover from the situation he's in. Thereafter Me AD should be even more better. Since an exalted 9th Lord Moon occupies the 7th, and the 7th lord from Moon, Mars occupies the 2nd, the native can gain through marriage also. Maharshi Parasara, whose words are beyond question, says recitation of Shiva Sahasranaamam can reduce the evils in Ju AD. Best Wishes, Saaji vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan> wrote: > I am thnakful to friends Saaji, Vinay and Sanjeev for their efforts to > study the horoscope of the Jatak I had posted on the site. The > unanimous assessment of everybody seems to be that the coming Sat AD in > Jup MD should bring in the marriage. > Let me tell you something more about the Jatak. An extremely brilliant > computer engineer, he is in USA for the last 14 years and has seen the > best of his time in his life, career etc in the Rahu dasa. But once the > dasa was over, it took away everything-quite expected of this planet. > So the question raised by Anil is really pertinent as to why the > marriage didnot comeup in this dasa when everything else did come. And > this question has been raised earlier too. > Presently the jatak is almost houseless and penniless.And also having > health problems (Jupiter in 6th?) I am not sure how his 4th house is > going to help him in getting a house etc. Text books say that in a > scorpio lagan, saturn is helpful. And being in own house all the more > reason. But my experience with Saturn owning houses is not always as > written in text books. And Rahu again aspects this house. > Pran Razdan > --- saaji kulangara <saajik> wrote: > > Hi Vinay, > > > > At least in my view, your doubts are not unfound. Moon in the 7th > > that > > too an exalted 9th Lord is good for an early marriage, provided > > other combinations are supportive. And the distance between Lagna and > > > > 7th Lord to some extent determine whether the marriage is early or > > delayed. This is the same both from Lagna and Moon. > > (Sasankalagnopagataihi). And then the 7th Lord and karaka, Venus (both > > same) in common sign indicate more than one marriage, and also a > > strong Kuja Dosha. For more than one marriage one should marry first > > and then that should break. What you say? The combination in the 8th > > (marriage thread) is not good for happiness in marriage, although > > that being Lagna and 7th Lords show good bond between the partners. > > (I gave a hint in the last line in the first para in my earlier post) > > > > This is the way I looked in this chart! > > > > BTW, How was your interview? > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Saaji > > > > > > vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay" > > <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote: > > > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| > > > > > > Dear Saaji and Shri Pran, > > > > > > I just see Saaji's self expainatory mail on List and besides the > > point given by you I'll like to add just few cents with my limited > > kowledge. > > > > > > It's interesting why Rahu has not given a marriage a native !! Can > > learned members throw some light on this!! > > > I think Rahu is in 12th from pakka lagna in navmasa and 8th from > > UL,AL might be the reasons can Guru's or learned members throw some > > more light so as all of us will get benefited!! > > > > > > Initially in Rasi Chart 2nd from UL is aspected by Mars+Ven+Rahu > > combination from Dual rasi 8th H! So I think if we adopt Mahabharat > > way we should progress UL to 8th from there and accordingly!! > > > > > > For Rahu MD Rahu even though with Ven, causes obstructing argala to > > > > 7th H in D9 and placed in 12th H to Lagna lord (Sun ) and 7th lord > > (Sat)! > > > His full dasa goes in neglecting the marriage. and no need to > > explain Ven+rahu!! > > > > > > Now Guru MD starts and Guru is in 5th H aspecting 1st house with > > sun + Sat (1+7 Lords) So his MD may give him marriage!! > > > Now Sat AD is about to start and Sat is 7th Lord plus aspecting 7th > > > > and causing argala on 7th H in D9 so his AD can surely give a > > marriage. > > > Now if we go to Pratyantar Sat/Mer both are capable to give > > marriage but i think mer is stronger . > > > > > > So I think auspisious time to get married for native is just > > ahead!! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vinay Patwardhan > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------ > > > > > > "saaji kulangara" <saajik> > > > Mon Jul 5, 2004 4:28 pm > > > Re > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Subrahmanyaya Namah > > > hari Om > > > > > > Dear Sri Pran, > > > > > > As far as my little knowledge in Astrology goes, marriage has > > > > to > > > be seen from 7th house, 7th Lord and the karaka, Venus. Here > > in this > > > case Jup 5th Lord joins the 7th house in Bhava which is not > > good for > > > marriage and the 7th Lord and Karaka, both, Venus is heavily > > > afflicted in the 8th by Mars and Rahu.Sani aspects Lagna. > > From Moon > > > also 7th lord is afflicted and occupies 8th. Yet, Moon is > > strongly > > > placed in the 7th, Lagna and 7th Lords are joined and they > > both > > > occupy a dual sign. > > > > > > I also go with your analysis. Shani AD is to start, and he > > aspects > > > the 7th from Moon. He's in UL. He's going to transit the 3rd > > from > > > Moon, 9th from Lagna. In the Navamsa also his transit is on > > the 7th > > > from Moon being Lagna Lord.(Marriage can happen when Lagna > > Lord > > > transits the 7th house). Jupiter's transit also very > > favourable. > > > Hence there is a good chance for marriage in the coming > > Saturn AD, > > > especially before Ju moves on to Libra. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Saaji > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "pnrazdan" > > <pnrazdan> > > > wrote: > > > > Om Shri Ganeshay Namah > > > > On the eve of my joining this holy group of Astrologists, > > my pranams > > > > to all the readers and to this great knowlege inherited by > > us from > > > our > > > > sages. > > > > A little introduction. I am a Statistician by profession > > retired > > > from > > > > Govt service. My interest in astrology began five years > > back in USA > > > > where our cultural knowledge is better respected and > > preserved. From > > > > Western astrology, I shifted to Jyotish. I look forward to > > reading > > > > healthy discussions and valuable contributions from all of > > you on > > > > this site. > > > > I have a scorpio born subject (born 2nd August 1964 14.22 > > pm at > > > > Srinagar Kashmir 34N05,74E49) whose seventh lord venus is > > in eigth > > > > house with rahu and mars in close proximity. No aspect to > > 7th house. > > > > The jatak is still unmarried even having past forty years. > > Is there > > > > any hope of marriage? I see some encouraging sign from 9th > > lord > > > > exalted in 7th house. I dont know whether it will overrule > > the Venus > > > > dosha? If so when would be the probable date? Jatak is > > running his > > > > Jupiter dasha with Saturn bukhti in late Nov this year. > > Saturn is > > > > powerful in its own house in 4th. Can this help? > > > > Regards, > > > > Pran Razdan > > > > Gurgaon > > Archives: vedic astrology To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || 12.0pt"> Archives: vedic astrology To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| Respected Vistiji, Pranam. 1)I remeber about the dual lordship of Aq and in this case it's very well explained. 2) I'm attatching a chart in JHL format. Pls go through this chart so as we can learn more things from you. (Accident of fiancée in car accident around age of 25/26 when he came back to India to take his parents along with him for America for wedding ceremony) 3) Oh many thanks for guiding about navmasa!! Let's see few charts more. Many thanks again. Regards, Vinay Patwardhan - Visti Larsen 'patwardhanvinay' Cc: vedic astrology Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:22 AM RE: [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) |Hare Räma Kåñëa| Dear Vinay, Namaskar Comments below. Yours, Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] 06 July 2004 20:23Visti LarsenCc: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| Respected Vistiji, Pranam. Thanks for reminding of Baadhakesh!! Really every great ridle is having a very simple solution!! I will remember Baadhakesha for ever because it brings your first mail to me!! In otherwords I should be thankful for forgetting about baadhakesh!! Many thanks for clearing it! Now as you said UL lord should be strong to get married to that potential spouse! In this case we have two lords for UL one Sat is explained by you but what about Rahu? He's in Ge I think it's strong as per rasi and with Ven (Vivah karka) and with mars (planet for passion) and in close conjuction (just around 2 deg from each) but placed in 8th H!! Should we look into this also? [Visti] In such cases there will be 2 potential spouses. Incase of Srila Prabhupada UL is again in Aquarius and he was said to have wanted to marry someone other than his wife, but he married on the condition that he could have 2 wives. In that case Rähu was AK in Aqua, and hence Saturn will dominate the lordship of Aqua. In this case Saturn is in Aqua and hence Rähu will indicate the person he will actually be able to marry. But both people will be in his life. Rähu is in the 8th house and there maybe feelings of indebtedness, guilt in the marriage to this spouse. I'm recently come across a chart where Debilitated Sat is placed in UL and unfortunately it's a badhaka sthana! But UL lord is strong and placed in Kendra !! He got engage to a Girl but unfortunately she expires in accident!! Afterthis He give up materialistic world and start on spiritual path!! ( Leo Asc. Guru+Ketu in Vi, Mars in Sc, Rahu in Pi, Sat in Ar, Ven in Ta, Mer in Ge, Sun+moon in Cn. If u wish I'll prepare JHL chart and send it currently I don't have ready chart) [Visti] Please do give the chart. My point is if UL is afflicted and it's lord is strong (by rasi and placement) then will it give marriage? [Visti] Yes, usually the affliction of the Upapada itself is not enough unless the lord is also weak/ill placed. Also like co-borns should we apply the rule of asociation of nodes to count no of progressions of Ul in chart? Pls give some further directions to get such vital explanations !! Really thankful for sending such eyeopener !! [Visti] Guruji did once say that one should use that technique with the Navämça. This would mean that if either of the nodes associated with the house of the spouse or its lord, that it would end the number of marriages. Let’s first see the charts before proving a principle as there are can be a few riders to this too. Regards, Vinay Patwardhan - Visti Larsen 'patwardhanvinay' Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:41 PM RE: [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) |Hare Räma Kåñëa| Dear Vinay, Namaskar Why not just look at the chart to understand that? If the Upapada and its lord are strong, then you get married to that potential spouse. If it’s weak then the marriage does not happen. In this chart Bädhakeña-Moon is in the 7th house, that’s why he is yet to marry. Now if you see the Upapada lord its strong in Aquarius, but retrograde – pravrajya yoga, hence the partner constantly changes her mind, or runs away from the idea of marriage… but first he has to find the partner. Best wishes, Visti Larsenvisti (AT) (DOT) org patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] 06 July 2004 14:39vedic astrologyCc: saajik Subject: [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| Dear Saaji, If u remember we have some discussion before on marriage!! Along with customs and traditions I think if two have mental , physical relations about a year then it's consider as an marriage from Mahabharta age!! Hence only I suggest in my previous mail to shift UL to 8th from there!! It's written in 3rd para!! So we are sailing in same direction!! :-) Regarding marriage as per dharma and for dharma I ref D9!! If I rem correctly, for those marriage is just for lower desires and not for dharma we have to stick to rasi !! But when traditional marriage and role of dharma is to be played we should go to navmasa. Am I correct? Hence only I ask why Rahu has not given such marriage and i think this was native's intellect which neglect the marriage!! I think I 'd written on that also! OK BigB!! Any way waiting for results of an interview!! :-) Regards, Vinay ============================================================================================================== OH Your discussion is shifted to 4th house and Jup Dasa!! Now regarding House if we look into D4 we see Jup is debilitated , placed in 3rd H and lord of 2,5H 3rd is 12th H to 4th and Jup is marak sthanadhipati (5th L) also to 3th in D4 and Sani is in 7th H (4th L also)with moon again exalted and 9th L! I this points may also help!! One more question to Sri Pran , In Rahu dasa, home was provided by the company!! OR was it on ownership? Regards, Vinay "saaji kulangara" <saajik> Tue Jul 6, 2004 3:31 pm Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) Om Subrahmanyaya NamahDear Sri Pran,Should we blame Rahu or Jupiter for this situation? I think Jupiteris the problem here. Jupiter occupies benefic shadvargas, but is in aRasi Sandhi, debilitated in Dasamsa and being 2nd L and Dhanakarakahe occupies the 6th(debts, diseases) aspected by Sani from 4th.(ShivaSahasranaamam could have helped) From Moon he's in the 12th as 11thL. So the problem has been Dasa sandhi coupled with sadesati. (Evenifthis happended in Rahu Dasa end, we may say that this is because ofthe problems he had to bear in Ju AD).Sani AD may be helpful in marriage and even though you clarified thepoints, I couldn't reconcile this :- ) Ofcourse predictions goingwrong do not affect me, but in this matter, till I learn more I'llstand by what all I've written, atleast in a bit different context!Native's Sani AD will be good. He's a YK from Moon, and also occupiesa kendra from Lagna/Moon and 11th from Jupiter. So the AD may helphim recover from the situation he's in. Thereafter Me AD should beeven more better. Since an exalted 9th Lord Moon occupies the 7th,and the 7th lord from Moon, Mars occupies the 2nd, the native cangain through marriage also.Maharshi Parasara, whose words are beyond question, says recitationof Shiva Sahasranaamam can reduce the evils in Ju AD.Best Wishes,Saajivedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan>wrote:> I am thnakful to friends Saaji, Vinay and Sanjeev for their effortsto> study the horoscope of the Jatak I had posted on the site. The> unanimous assessment of everybody seems to be that the coming SatAD in> Jup MD should bring in the marriage.> Let me tell you something more about the Jatak. An extremelybrilliant> computer engineer, he is in USA for the last 14 years and has seenthe> best of his time in his life, career etc in the Rahu dasa. But oncethe> dasa was over, it took away everything-quite expected of thisplanet.> So the question raised by Anil is really pertinent as to why the> marriage didnot comeup in this dasa when everything else did come.And> this question has been raised earlier too.> Presently the jatak is almost houseless and penniless.And alsohaving> health problems (Jupiter in 6th?) I am not sure how his 4th house is> going to help him in getting a house etc. Text books say that in a> scorpio lagan, saturn is helpful. And being in own house all themore> reason. But my experience with Saturn owning houses is not always as> written in text books. And Rahu again aspects this house.> Pran Razdan>>>>>>>> --- saaji kulangara <saajik> wrote:> > Hi Vinay,> >> > At least in my view, your doubts are not unfound. Moon in the 7th> > that> > too an exalted 9th Lord is good for an early marriage, provided> > other combinations are supportive. And the distance between Lagnaand> >> > 7th Lord to some extent determine whether the marriage is earlyor> > delayed. This is the same both from Lagna and Moon.> > (Sasankalagnopagataihi). And then the 7th Lord and karaka, Venus(both> > same) in common sign indicate more than one marriage, and also a> > strong Kuja Dosha. For more than one marriage one should marryfirst> > and then that should break. What you say? The combination in the8th> > (marriage thread) is not good for happiness in marriage, although> > that being Lagna and 7th Lords show good bond between thepartners.> > (I gave a hint in the last line in the first para in my earlierpost)> >> > This is the way I looked in this chart!> >> > BTW, How was your interview?> >> > Best Wishes,> >> > Saaji> >> >> > vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay"> > <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:> > > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||> > >> > > Dear Saaji and Shri Pran,> > >> > > I just see Saaji's self expainatory mail on List and besidesthe> > point given by you I'll like to add just few cents with mylimited> > kowledge.> > >> > > It's interesting why Rahu has not given a marriage a native !!Can> > learned members throw some light on this!!> > > I think Rahu is in 12th from pakka lagna in navmasa and 8thfrom> > UL,AL might be the reasons can Guru's or learned members throwsome> > more light so as all of us will get benefited!!> > >> > > Initially in Rasi Chart 2nd from UL is aspected byMars+Ven+Rahu> > combination from Dual rasi 8th H! So I think if we adoptMahabharat> > way we should progress UL to 8th from there and accordingly!!> > >> > > For Rahu MD Rahu even though with Ven, causes obstructingargala to> >> > 7th H in D9 and placed in 12th H to Lagna lord (Sun ) and 7thlord> > (Sat)!> > > His full dasa goes in neglecting the marriage. and no need to> > explain Ven+rahu!!> > >> > > Now Guru MD starts and Guru is in 5th H aspecting 1st housewith> > sun + Sat (1+7 Lords) So his MD may give him marriage!!> > > Now Sat AD is about to start and Sat is 7th Lord plus aspecting7th> >> > and causing argala on 7th H in D9 so his AD can surely give a> > marriage.> > > Now if we go to Pratyantar Sat/Mer both are capable to give> > marriage but i think mer is stronger .> > >> > > So I think auspisious time to get married for native is just> > ahead!!> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Vinay Patwardhan> > >> > >> > >> > --> > ------------> > >> > > "saaji kulangara" <saajik>> > > Mon Jul 5, 2004 4:28 pm> > > Re> > >> > >> > >> > > Om Subrahmanyaya Namah> > > hari Om> > >> > > Dear Sri Pran,> > >> > > As far as my little knowledge in Astrology goes, marriagehas> >> > to> > > be seen from 7th house, 7th Lord and the karaka, Venus.Here> > in this> > > case Jup 5th Lord joins the 7th house in Bhava which isnot> > good for> > > marriage and the 7th Lord and Karaka, both, Venus isheavily> > > afflicted in the 8th by Mars and Rahu.Sani aspects Lagna.> > From Moon> > > also 7th lord is afflicted and occupies 8th. Yet, Moon is> > strongly> > > placed in the 7th, Lagna and 7th Lords are joined andthey> > both> > > occupy a dual sign.> > >> > > I also go with your analysis. Shani AD is to start, andhe> > aspects> > > the 7th from Moon. He's in UL. He's going to transit the3rd> > from> > > Moon, 9th from Lagna. In the Navamsa also his transit ison> > the 7th> > > from Moon being Lagna Lord.(Marriage can happen whenLagna> > Lord> > > transits the 7th house). Jupiter's transit also very> > favourable.> > > Hence there is a good chance for marriage in the coming> > Saturn AD,> > > especially before Ju moves on to Libra.> > >> > > Best Regards,> > >> > > Saaji> > >> > >> > >> > > --- In vedic astrology, "pnrazdan"> > <pnrazdan>> > > wrote:> > > > Om Shri Ganeshay Namah> > > > On the eve of my joining this holy group ofAstrologists,> > my pranams> > > > to all the readers and to this great knowlege inheritedby> > us from> > > our> > > > sages.> > > > A little introduction. I am a Statistician byprofession> > retired> > > from> > > > Govt service. My interest in astrology began five years> > back in USA> > > > where our cultural knowledge is better respected and> > preserved. From> > > > Western astrology, I shifted to Jyotish. I look forwardto> > reading> > > > healthy discussions and valuable contributions from allof> > you on> > > > this site.> > > > I have a scorpio born subject (born 2nd August 196414.22> > pm at> > > > Srinagar Kashmir 34N05,74E49) whose seventh lord venusis> > in eigth> > > > house with rahu and mars in close proximity. No aspectto> > 7th house.> > > > The jatak is still unmarried even having past fortyyears.> > Is there> > > > any hope of marriage? I see some encouraging sign from9th> > lord> > > > exalted in 7th house. I dont know whether it willoverrule> > the Venus> > > > dosha? If so when would be the probable date? Jatak is> > running his> > > > Jupiter dasha with Saturn bukhti in late Nov this year.> > Saturn is> > > > powerful in its own house in 4th. Can this help?> > > > Regards,> > > > Pran Razdan> > > > Gurgaon> > Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Attachment: (application/octet-stream) sanju a.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 |Hare Räma Kåñëa| Dear Vinay, Namaskar Usually when the Upapada is lorded by a malefic, check for any curses involving those malefics. Reason being that the suffering of the curse, will hit the houses lorded by those malefics. Here Mars lords Upapada. You will see that curse of uncle is working in the chart. But your right that Upapada is otherwise strong and hence they attempted to marry. Reasons as to why the spouse died can be seen from Jupiter. Yours, bold">Visti Larsen color:#4E81C4"> visti (AT) (DOT) org Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] 07 July 2004 06:38 Visti Larsen Cc: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) 12.0pt"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:red">||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Respected Vistiji, 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Pranam. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">1)I remeber about the dual lordship of Aq and in this case it's very well explained. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">2) I'm attatching a chart in JHL format. Pls go through this chart so as we can learn more things from you. (Accident of fiancée in car accident around age of 25/26 when he came back to India to take his parents along with him for America for wedding ceremony) 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">3) Oh many thanks for guiding about navmasa!! Let's see few charts more. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Many thanks again. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regards, 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Vinay Patwardhan margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> font-family:Arial">- Visti Larsen font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">'patwardhanvinay' font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Cc: vedic astrology font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:22 AM font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">RE: [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) 12.0pt"> |Hare Räma Kåñëa| Dear Vinay, Namaskar Comments below. Yours, bold">Visti Larsen color:#4E81C4"> visti (AT) (DOT) org font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] 06 July 2004 20:23 Visti Larsen Cc: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) 12.0pt"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:red">||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Respected Vistiji, 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Pranam. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Thanks for reminding of Baadhakesh!! Really every great ridle is having a very simple solution!! I will remember Baadhakesha for ever because it brings your first mail to me!! In otherwords I should be thankful for forgetting about baadhakesh!! Many thanks for clearing it! 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Now as you said UL lord should be strong to get married to that potential spouse! In this case we have two lords for UL one Sat is explained by you but what about Rahu? He's in Ge I think it's strong as per rasi and with Ven (Vivah karka) and with mars (planet for passion) and in close conjuction (just around 2 deg from each) 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">but placed in 8th H!! Should we look into this also? font-family:Arial"> bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] In such cases there will be 2 potential spouses. Incase of Srila Prabhupada UL is again in Aquarius and he was said to have wanted to marry someone other than his wife, but he married on the condition that he could have 2 wives. In that case Rähu was AK in Aqua, and hence Saturn will dominate the lordship of Aqua. In this case Saturn is in Aqua and hence Rähu will indicate the person he will actually be able to marry. But both people will be in his life. Rähu is in the 8th house and there maybe feelings of indebtedness, guilt in the marriage to this spouse. font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy"> 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I'm recently come across a chart where Debilitated Sat is placed in UL and unfortunately it's a badhaka sthana! But UL lord is strong and placed in Kendra !! He got engage to a Girl but unfortunately she expires in accident!! Afterthis He give up materialistic world and start on spiritual path!! ( Leo Asc. Guru+Ketu in Vi, Mars in Sc, Rahu in Pi, Sat in Ar, Ven in Ta, Mer in Ge, Sun+moon in Cn. If u wish I'll prepare JHL chart and send it currently I don't have ready chart) color:navy"> bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Please do give the chart. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">My point is if UL is afflicted and it's lord is strong (by rasi and placement) then will it give marriage? color:navy"> bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Yes, usually the affliction of the Upapada itself is not enough unless the lord is also weak/ill placed. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Also like co-borns should we apply the rule of asociation of nodes to count no of progressions of Ul in chart? Pls give some further directions to get such vital explanations !! Really thankful for sending such eyeopener !! bold;font-style:italic">[Visti] Guruji did once say that one should use that technique with the Navämça. This would mean that if either of the nodes associated with the house of the spouse or its lord, that it would end the number of marriages. Let’s first see the charts before proving a principle as there are can be a few riders to this too. font-family:"URW Palladio IT";color:navy"> 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regards, 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Vinay Patwardhan 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">- margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> Visti Larsen font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">'patwardhanvinay' font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Tuesday, July 06, 2004 8:41 PM font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">RE: [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) 12.0pt"> |Hare Räma Kåñëa| Dear Vinay, Namaskar Why not just look at the chart to understand that? If the Upapada and its lord are strong, then you get married to that potential spouse. If it’s weak then the marriage does not happen. In this chart Bädhakeña-Moon is in the 7th house, that’s why he is yet to marry. Now if you see the Upapada lord its strong in Aquarius, but retrograde – pravrajya yoga, hence the partner constantly changes her mind, or runs away from the idea of marriage… but first he has to find the partner. Best wishes, bold">Visti Larsen color:#4E81C4"> visti (AT) (DOT) org font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] 06 July 2004 14:39 vedic astrology Cc: saajik [vedic astrology] RE:-Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) 12.0pt"> 12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:red">||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Dear Saaji, font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">If u remember we have some discussion before on marriage!! 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Along with customs and traditions I think if two have mental , physical relations about a year then it's consider as an marriage from Mahabharta age!! Hence only I suggest in my previous mail to shift UL to 8th from there!! It's written in 3rd para!! So we are sailing in same direction!! :-) font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regarding marriage as per dharma and for dharma I ref D9!! If I rem correctly, for those marriage is just for lower desires and not for dharma we have to stick to rasi !! But when traditional marriage and role of dharma is to be played we should go to navmasa. Am I correct? Hence only I ask why Rahu has not given such marriage and i think this was native's intellect which neglect the marriage!! I think I 'd written on that also! font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">OK BigB!! font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Any way waiting for results of an interview!! :-) 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regards, font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Vinay font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">============================================================================================================== 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"> OH Your discussion is shifted to 4th house and Jup Dasa!! font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Now regarding House if we look into D4 we see Jup is debilitated , placed in 3rd H and lord of 2,5H 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">3rd is 12th H to 4th and Jup is marak sthanadhipati (5th L) also to 3th in D4 and Sani is in 7th H (4th L also)with moon again exalted and 9th L! 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I this points may also help!! font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">One more question to Sri Pran , font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">In Rahu dasa, home was provided by the company!! OR was it on ownership? font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Regards, font-family:Arial"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Vinay font-family:Arial"> "saaji kulangara" <saajik> Tue Jul 6, 2004 3:31 pm Re: RE:-RE(Pran and Saaji) Om Subrahmanyaya Namah Dear Sri Pran, Should we blame Rahu or Jupiter for this situation? I think Jupiter is the problem here. Jupiter occupies benefic shadvargas, but is in a Rasi Sandhi, debilitated in Dasamsa and being 2nd L and Dhanakaraka he occupies the 6th(debts, diseases) aspected by Sani from 4th.(Shiva Sahasranaamam could have helped) From Moon he's in the 12th as 11th L. So the problem has been Dasa sandhi coupled with sadesati. (Evenif this happended in Rahu Dasa end, we may say that this is because of the problems he had to bear in Ju AD). Sani AD may be helpful in marriage and even though you clarified the points, I couldn't reconcile this :- ) Ofcourse predictions going wrong do not affect me, but in this matter, till I learn more I'll stand by what all I've written, atleast in a bit different context! Native's Sani AD will be good. He's a YK from Moon, and also occupies a kendra from Lagna/Moon and 11th from Jupiter. So the AD may help him recover from the situation he's in. Thereafter Me AD should be even more better. Since an exalted 9th Lord Moon occupies the 7th, and the 7th lord from Moon, Mars occupies the 2nd, the native can gain through marriage also. Maharshi Parasara, whose words are beyond question, says recitation of Shiva Sahasranaamam can reduce the evils in Ju AD. Best Wishes, Saaji vedic astrology, PNRazdan <pnrazdan> wrote: > I am thnakful to friends Saaji, Vinay and Sanjeev for their efforts to > study the horoscope of the Jatak I had posted on the site. The > unanimous assessment of everybody seems to be that the coming Sat AD in > Jup MD should bring in the marriage. > Let me tell you something more about the Jatak. An extremely brilliant > computer engineer, he is in USA for the last 14 years and has seen the > best of his time in his life, career etc in the Rahu dasa. But once the > dasa was over, it took away everything-quite expected of this planet. > So the question raised by Anil is really pertinent as to why the > marriage didnot comeup in this dasa when everything else did come. And > this question has been raised earlier too. > Presently the jatak is almost houseless and penniless.And also having > health problems (Jupiter in 6th?) I am not sure how his 4th house is > going to help him in getting a house etc. Text books say that in a > scorpio lagan, saturn is helpful. And being in own house all the more > reason. But my experience with Saturn owning houses is not always as > written in text books. And Rahu again aspects this house. > Pran Razdan > --- saaji kulangara <saajik> wrote: > > Hi Vinay, > > > > At least in my view, your doubts are not unfound. Moon in the 7th > > that > > too an exalted 9th Lord is good for an early marriage, provided > > other combinations are supportive. And the distance between Lagna and > > > > 7th Lord to some extent determine whether the marriage is early or > > delayed. This is the same both from Lagna and Moon. > > (Sasankalagnopagataihi). And then the 7th Lord and karaka, Venus (both > > same) in common sign indicate more than one marriage, and also a > > strong Kuja Dosha. For more than one marriage one should marry first > > and then that should break. What you say? The combination in the 8th > > (marriage thread) is not good for happiness in marriage, although > > that being Lagna and 7th Lords show good bond between the partners. > > (I gave a hint in the last line in the first para in my earlier post) > > > > This is the way I looked in this chart! > > > > BTW, How was your interview? > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Saaji > > > > > > vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay" > > <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote: > > > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| > > > > > > Dear Saaji and Shri Pran, > > > > > > I just see Saaji's self expainatory mail on List and besides the > > point given by you I'll like to add just few cents with my limited > > kowledge. > > > > > > It's interesting why Rahu has not given a marriage a native !! Can > > learned members throw some light on this!! > > > I think Rahu is in 12th from pakka lagna in navmasa and 8th from > > UL,AL might be the reasons can Guru's or learned members throw some > > more light so as all of us will get benefited!! > > > > > > Initially in Rasi Chart 2nd from UL is aspected by Mars+Ven+Rahu > > combination from Dual rasi 8th H! So I think if we adopt Mahabharat > > way we should progress UL to 8th from there and accordingly!! > > > > > > For Rahu MD Rahu even though with Ven, causes obstructing argala to > > > > 7th H in D9 and placed in 12th H to Lagna lord (Sun ) and 7th lord > > (Sat)! > > > His full dasa goes in neglecting the marriage. and no need to > > explain Ven+rahu!! > > > > > > Now Guru MD starts and Guru is in 5th H aspecting 1st house with > > sun + Sat (1+7 Lords) So his MD may give him marriage!! > > > Now Sat AD is about to start and Sat is 7th Lord plus aspecting 7th > > > > and causing argala on 7th H in D9 so his AD can surely give a > > marriage. > > > Now if we go to Pratyantar Sat/Mer both are capable to give > > marriage but i think mer is stronger . > > > > > > So I think auspisious time to get married for native is just > > ahead!! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vinay Patwardhan > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------ > > > > > > "saaji kulangara" <saajik> > > > Mon Jul 5, 2004 4:28 pm > > > Re > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Subrahmanyaya Namah > > > hari Om > > > > > > Dear Sri Pran, > > > > > > As far as my little knowledge in Astrology goes, marriage has > > > > to > > > be seen from 7th house, 7th Lord and the karaka, Venus. Here > > in this > > > case Jup 5th Lord joins the 7th house in Bhava which is not > > good for > > > marriage and the 7th Lord and Karaka, both, Venus is heavily > > > afflicted in the 8th by Mars and Rahu.Sani aspects Lagna. > > From Moon > > > also 7th lord is afflicted and occupies 8th. Yet, Moon is > > strongly > > > placed in the 7th, Lagna and 7th Lords are joined and they > > both > > > occupy a dual sign. > > > > > > I also go with your analysis. Shani AD is to start, and he > > aspects > > > the 7th from Moon. He's in UL. He's going to transit the 3rd > > from > > > Moon, 9th from Lagna. In the Navamsa also his transit is on > > the 7th > > > from Moon being Lagna Lord.(Marriage can happen when Lagna > > Lord > > > transits the 7th house). Jupiter's transit also very > > favourable. > > > Hence there is a good chance for marriage in the coming > > Saturn AD, > > > especially before Ju moves on to Libra. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Saaji > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "pnrazdan" > > <pnrazdan> > > > wrote: > > > > Om Shri Ganeshay Namah > > > > On the eve of my joining this holy group of Astrologists, > > my pranams > > > > to all the readers and to this great knowlege inherited by > > us from > > > our > > > > sages. > > > > A little introduction. I am a Statistician by profession > > retired > > > from > > > > Govt service. My interest in astrology began five years > > back in USA > > > > where our cultural knowledge is better respected and > > preserved. From > > > > Western astrology, I shifted to Jyotish. I look forward to > > reading > > > > healthy discussions and valuable contributions from all of > > you on > > > > this site. > > > > I have a scorpio born subject (born 2nd August 1964 14.22 > > pm at > > > > Srinagar Kashmir 34N05,74E49) whose seventh lord venus is > > in eigth > > > > house with rahu and mars in close proximity. No aspect to > > 7th house. > > > > The jatak is still unmarried even having past forty years. > > Is there > > > > any hope of marriage? I see some encouraging sign from 9th > > lord > > > > exalted in 7th house. I dont know whether it will overrule > > the Venus > > > > dosha? If so when would be the probable date? Jatak is > > running his > > > > Jupiter dasha with Saturn bukhti in late Nov this year. > > Saturn is > > > > powerful in its own house in 4th. Can this help? > > > > Regards, > > > > Pran Razdan > > > > Gurgaon > > Archives: vedic astrology To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Archives: vedic astrology To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || color:#003399;font-weight:bold"> Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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