Fw: : To be Guru or Not to be ?? to Rosemary , Partha, Venkat

[Guest guest]

::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya::

Dear Mukund, Rosemary & Partha

 

The intention of Mukund cannot be bad. He has an exalted Guru in the dharma

bhava. He helps to keep conscience clear by reminding all of us of our

duties once in a while. That is a good work. With time and age his words

maybe sweeter and softer but there is no doubt in my mind about his

intentions.

 

There are some who make strange and sometimes very bad remarks. Such remarks

caused from Rajas guna or passion shall never help anyone -neither they

themselves nor the person they are being told to. The same view if

communicated with sweet words will find their mark.

 

Mukund, in ancient India we had kings like Raja Rama by looking at whose

face the Brahmin can confidently renounce everything and concentrate in his

work. give me one name...just one name among the 100 billion people of India

whose face I can see and confidently give up my tours and concentrate on

translating BPHS, Saravali, Deva Keralam and other works or finish my book

on Atmakaraka. Yes your statements are right about flying first class and

living in Palaces. But that does not prevent them from being Gurus either.

Even Raja Janak the giver of the 'Hare Rama Krishna' mantra lived in a

palace and was a Rajarshi. He gave the mantra for Veda Vyasa's son. Was Veda

Vyasa wrong in advising his son to take mantra from Raja Janaka?

 

No, we should not judge the calibre of a Guru from the material goods he

possesses. We should judge a Guru from the knowledge he has. That is what

Vasistha has taught. Imbibe their good values and their knowledge and ignore

their bad values and personal traits that comes from living as human beings

do.

 

Just because I do not own even a car, what to talk of property and house,

does not qualify me to be a Guru. Knowledge alone qualifies me to be a

Jytosih Guru. Just because Narasimha has three cars and a few huge houses

does not disqualify him from being a guru. His knowledge qualifies him to be

a Jyotish Guru. So Mukund the parameters you use to identify a guru are

wrong and this will lead you to the wrong guru. Choose the parameters

correctly and you will reach your destination. Choose knowledge, Satva guna

predominance in behavior and dharma to be the criteria for a Diksha Guru;

choose knowledge as the most important criteria for siksha gurus. remember

these four mantra that define the guru -

OM gurave namah (obeisances to the teacher/remover of darkness)

OM parama gurave namah

OM paratpara gurave namah, and

OM paramesthi gurave namah (that is for Shiva, and all knowledge)

 

With best regards,

Sanjay Rath

SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India

Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com

 

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monmuk111

vedic astrology

Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:27 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: : To be Guru or Not to be ?? to Rosemary ,

Partha, Venkat

 

 

Hello Rosemary and Partha:

 

First and foremost,if I offended anyone with my "Guru" questions, I

apologize.

 

My intent wasn't malicious. My intent was to understand how can

people flying first class, riding rolls-royce and living in palatial

homes claim to be Gurus?

 

Partha has Indian roots so he knows about the lifestyle of the REAL

Gurus, but Rosemary, if you're not well-versed about life in India,

I'd like to tell you that REAL Brahmins and Gurus in India live off

donations received from patrons and the life style is simple and

somtimes really poor.

 

Rosemary, even in ancient India, the Gurus lived off whatever

donations the Kings made to them and Venkat has already named a few--

Vishwamitra, Drona, etc. In fact, Drona fought on the side of

Kauravas during the Mahabharat war because he was living off donation

from King Duryodhan.

 

So, the question I had posed was that if some who is profiteering

from the sacred Vedic knowledge and isn't living like a Hermit on

donation, can this person call himself a Guru?

 

I feel I had asked a valid question, but it appears that my questions

have riled up somuch negative emotions that we should end this debate

as Partha has suggested.

 

Respectfully,

Mukund

 

vedic astrology, "R Innes-Jones" <rf.innes-

jones@x> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> > Dear Monmuk111,

> > Why and where are you coming from to paint such a rascist then

sexist ,

> separatist

> > picture? Why are you drawing lines and circles about Brahmins and

Gurus

> and

> > separating yourself from truth.

> > Where is the advaita here? It is all one.

> > You are as much a part of me and I you. This play of creation

with its

> > actors is not who we really are. Why the preference and claim to

one part

> or

> > another?

> >

> > Ask yourself, in the pureness of your heart, is their any

difference

> between

> > yourself, the 'false' guru and the 'true'

> guru.............................

> >

> > Kind regards

> > Rosemary

> >

> > -

> > "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

> > <vedic astrology>

> > Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:31 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Fwd: >Venkatarama--to Venkat and

Aman

> >

> >

> > Hello Aman:

> >

> > You have NICELY reflected the SAME sentiments I feel. I've done

is in

> > an abrasive way.

> >

> > The issues are:

> >

> > 1) Who can be a Guru?

> > 2) And, can someone who IS NOT living a Brahminical life of

living on

> > donations and of not profiteering from Vedic knowledge become a

Guru?

> > 3) In India, practicing Brahmins live an extremely Brahminic

> > lifestyle ever since they're kids, i.e. began learning rituals

from

> > their father and grandfather in childhood, then go to Benaras and

> > study Vedas and Vedic rituals for many, many years AND FINALLY

become

> > a PUNDIT/GURU/BRAHMIN who performs various rituals, rites

including

> > giving out mantras. Now, can a person who hasn't BEEN thorough

this

> > process become a GURU and give out Mantras?

> >

> > Venkat has made a nice attempt to answer these, but is sitting on

the

> > fence on some important issue of whether someone who isn't born a

> > Brahmin and doesn't live a Brahminic lifestyle become a Guru and

> > perform rites, rituals and give out Mantras.

> >

> > Let's see what other members have to say. I'm hoping I'm not

BOOTED

> > from this group for asking such questions.

> >

> > Mukund