Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Dear Mr.Ron, My two cents although I am not that experienced in astrology. The reason why the same transit would /might give a diff result could be 1) Yes as u stated the dasha/antar/PD could be diff in the next round of transit. 2) There might be other transits diff ones happening at the same time in the 2nd round of transit comparing it to the first time of transit where other diff transits might be happening. The Vedha points are the key some say which remove the malefic /benefic effects promised, but alas not many on this list use it except "Saaji K", I wonder why no one uses Vedha points, experienced members like Chandrashekhar and others should tell us their expeirence on Vedha Points. What I feel is that I have sometimes been making mistakes in my analysis since I look at one planet giving majority of results and conclude that it is what is the GIVER of the event. This thinking pattern could have cropped in since many astrologers/students have the pattern of saying "oh ur Rahu is the culprit/ Its ur Mars its deb right now" so I feel this could be the reason many students like me develop a narrow approach rather than a holistic and overaround approach. "Any event is always the result of several factors combined, a Chart is like a CONTINOUS CHEMICAL REACTION" - this is my personal observation and I can be wrong. I now tend to follow a simple statement which makes the understanding of astrology very simple - this has been coined by Col. Gour if i am not wrong "Dasa's are the CELESTIAL TIMERS of whats promised in the chart, TRANSITS are the CELESTIAL COURIER BOYS without which the event doesn't gets delivered in the life of the native" If u can send ur JHD chart or birth details ( along with mentioning the Rasi lagna and Nav lagna in the mail) it can be helpful. The details given by you do not contain ashtakvarga. Without Ashtakvarga it is foolish to predict transits, this is what I am learning after burning fingers. Best wishes to ur coming transit, Sunil John Mumbai vedic astrology, "ronate12" <ronate12@i...> wrote: > I was talking to a friend who picked up Patel's work on Nadi. He was > looking at my chart and predicted gloom and doom. Obviously > inexperience but well meaning. It brings up a point as it is used or > alluded to by many with varying results and I was hoping for > perspective from some of the current members as to when, where, and > why the use it if at all. Is there something superior or adjunctive > by using it. My chart has mars, merc,sun,moon and ketu in cancer in > the 6th. I am running the Mars dasha. With saturn of course going > to transit cancer in the not to distant future. Does navamsha help > nadi predictions or is of no importance when studying. G. Krishnan > stated that a transit once may have a different result the next time > it transits the same house. Is it the Dasha or the transiting planet > that changed perhaps accounting for the difference. I hope to > stimulate a lively discussion which we all can learn from > Shanti > > > Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Dear Sunil Yes the courier boys can be held up in trafic jam, or may meet with accident, all this is vedha. I have not used Vedha much, if you read astrological magazine, you can see that most of the rasis are always having mixed or stunted results. WHen we read rasi phalas all we get to see is the vedhas and nothing else. So sometimes we can get carried away by vedhas, and the accidents to courier boys. But if the courier boy promised to deliver, wouldnot he get a treatment, and rush to deliver the parcel? best wishes partha vedic astrology, "suniljohn_2002" <suniljohn@g...> wrote: > Dear Mr.Ron, > My two cents although I am not that experienced in astrology. > The reason why the same transit would /might give a diff result could > be > 1) Yes as u stated the dasha/antar/PD could be diff in the next round > of transit. > 2) There might be other transits diff ones happening at the same time > in the 2nd round of transit comparing it to the first time of transit > where other diff transits might be happening. The Vedha points are > the key some say which remove the malefic /benefic effects promised, > but alas not many on this list use it except "Saaji K", I wonder why > no one uses Vedha points, experienced members like Chandrashekhar and > others should tell us their expeirence on Vedha Points. > > What I feel is that I have sometimes been making mistakes in my > analysis since I look at one planet giving majority of results and > conclude that it is what is the GIVER of the event. This thinking > pattern could have cropped in since many astrologers/students have > the pattern of saying "oh ur Rahu is the culprit/ Its ur Mars its deb > right now" > so I feel this could be the reason many students like me develop a > narrow approach rather than a holistic and overaround approach. > > "Any event is always the result of several factors combined, a Chart > is like a CONTINOUS CHEMICAL REACTION" - this is my personal > observation and I can be wrong. > > I now tend to follow a simple statement which makes the understanding > of astrology very simple - this has been coined by Col. Gour if i am > not wrong > > "Dasa's are the CELESTIAL TIMERS of whats promised in the chart, > TRANSITS are the CELESTIAL COURIER BOYS without which the event > doesn't gets delivered in the life of the native" > > If u can send ur JHD chart or birth details ( along with mentioning > the Rasi lagna and Nav lagna in the mail) it can be helpful. The > details given by you do not contain ashtakvarga. Without Ashtakvarga > it is foolish to predict transits, this is what I am learning after > burning fingers. > > Best wishes to ur coming transit, > > Sunil John > Mumbai > > > vedic astrology, "ronate12" <ronate12@i...> > wrote: > > I was talking to a friend who picked up Patel's work on Nadi. He > was > > looking at my chart and predicted gloom and doom. Obviously > > inexperience but well meaning. It brings up a point as it is used > or > > alluded to by many with varying results and I was hoping for > > perspective from some of the current members as to when, where, and > > why the use it if at all. Is there something superior or > adjunctive > > by using it. My chart has mars, merc,sun,moon and ketu in cancer > in > > the 6th. I am running the Mars dasha. With saturn of course going > > to transit cancer in the not to distant future. Does navamsha help > > nadi predictions or is of no importance when studying. G. Krishnan > > stated that a transit once may have a different result the next > time > > it transits the same house. Is it the Dasha or the transiting > planet > > that changed perhaps accounting for the difference. I hope to > > stimulate a lively discussion which we all can learn from > > Shanti > > > > > > Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Om Subrahmanyaya Namah Dear Sunil, I've seen some articles quoting some works which predicts different results in different cycle. i.e., the results can vary in the different transits in the same position. Therefore, apart from the points you mentioned, this is also a fact. If you would like to know more about this, I'll try to type the gist of the article and send you a personal mail (ofcourse when I get time). Sri Chandrashekharji mainly consider transits w.r.t Lagna and natal positions, while Sri Ramdasji from Moon also. Sri Sanjay Ji who's our authority consider transits w.r.t AL mainly and also w.r.t other positions. Apart from transits w.r.t Moon, vedha is not applicable and that's the reason why most people do not consider it. Texts give results for transits w.r.t Moon. For Mr Ron, things could be mixed. Transit Sa will be in the 6th house, over the natal positions of a lot of planets. It's Janma Sani hence very bad.Ju will be in the 3rd in the first year. Phaladeepika predicts fear of death(general), loss of position and wealth. There can be loss of wealth especially due to illness around heart region or so. Oppositions also cant be ruled out. Mars Dasa however should be good for financial gains as Mars is a Yoga Karaka from Moon sign and should have Neechabhanga, but Moon's devoid of paksha bala. From Lagna, 3rd L in the 6th is Vipareeta Raja Yoga, but 10th L being in the 6th is also shows hassles in job or change of job.(if he's in job). Regards Saaji vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote: > Dear Sunil > > Yes the courier boys can be held up in trafic jam, or may meet with > accident, all this is vedha. I have not used Vedha much, if you read > astrological magazine, you can see that most of the rasis are always > having mixed or stunted results. > > WHen we read rasi phalas all we get to see is the vedhas and nothing > else. So sometimes we can get carried away by vedhas, and the > accidents to courier boys. But if the courier boy promised to > deliver, wouldnot he get a treatment, and rush to deliver the parcel? > best wishes > partha > > > vedic astrology, "suniljohn_2002" > <suniljohn@g...> wrote: > > Dear Mr.Ron, > > My two cents although I am not that experienced in astrology. > > The reason why the same transit would /might give a diff result > could > > be > > 1) Yes as u stated the dasha/antar/PD could be diff in the next > round > > of transit. > > 2) There might be other transits diff ones happening at the same > time > > in the 2nd round of transit comparing it to the first time of > transit > > where other diff transits might be happening. The Vedha points are > > the key some say which remove the malefic /benefic effects > promised, > > but alas not many on this list use it except "Saaji K", I wonder > why > > no one uses Vedha points, experienced members like Chandrashekhar > and > > others should tell us their expeirence on Vedha Points. > > > > What I feel is that I have sometimes been making mistakes in my > > analysis since I look at one planet giving majority of results and > > conclude that it is what is the GIVER of the event. This thinking > > pattern could have cropped in since many astrologers/students have > > the pattern of saying "oh ur Rahu is the culprit/ Its ur Mars its > deb > > right now" > > so I feel this could be the reason many students like me develop a > > narrow approach rather than a holistic and overaround approach. > > > > "Any event is always the result of several factors combined, a > Chart > > is like a CONTINOUS CHEMICAL REACTION" - this is my personal > > observation and I can be wrong. > > > > I now tend to follow a simple statement which makes the > understanding > > of astrology very simple - this has been coined by Col. Gour if i > am > > not wrong > > > > "Dasa's are the CELESTIAL TIMERS of whats promised in the chart, > > TRANSITS are the CELESTIAL COURIER BOYS without which the event > > doesn't gets delivered in the life of the native" > > > > If u can send ur JHD chart or birth details ( along with mentioning > > the Rasi lagna and Nav lagna in the mail) it can be helpful. The > > details given by you do not contain ashtakvarga. Without > Ashtakvarga > > it is foolish to predict transits, this is what I am learning after > > burning fingers. > > > > Best wishes to ur coming transit, > > > > Sunil John > > Mumbai > > > > > > vedic astrology, "ronate12" <ronate12@i...> > > wrote: > > > I was talking to a friend who picked up Patel's work on Nadi. He > > was > > > looking at my chart and predicted gloom and doom. Obviously > > > inexperience but well meaning. It brings up a point as it is > used > > or > > > alluded to by many with varying results and I was hoping for > > > perspective from some of the current members as to when, where, > and > > > why the use it if at all. Is there something superior or > > adjunctive > > > by using it. My chart has mars, merc,sun,moon and ketu in > cancer > > in > > > the 6th. I am running the Mars dasha. With saturn of course > going > > > to transit cancer in the not to distant future. Does navamsha > help > > > nadi predictions or is of no importance when studying. G. > Krishnan > > > stated that a transit once may have a different result the next > > time > > > it transits the same house. Is it the Dasha or the transiting > > planet > > > that changed perhaps accounting for the difference. I hope to > > > stimulate a lively discussion which we all can learn from > > > Shanti > > > > > > > > > Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Om Subrahmanyaya Namah Dear Sunil, I've seen some articles quoting some works which predicts different results in different cycle. i.e., the results can vary in the different transits in the same position. Therefore, apart from the points you mentioned, this is also a fact. If you would like to know more about this, I'll try to type the gist of the article and send you a personal mail (ofcourse when I get time). Sri Chandrashekharji mainly consider transits w.r.t Lagna and natal positions, while Sri Ramdasji from Moon also. Sri Sanjay Ji who's our authority consider transits w.r.t AL mainly and also w.r.t other positions. Apart from transits w.r.t Moon, vedha is not applicable and that's one reason why most people do not consider it. Texts give results for transits w.r.t Moon. Regards Saaji vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote: > Dear Sunil > > Yes the courier boys can be held up in trafic jam, or may meet with > accident, all this is vedha. I have not used Vedha much, if you read > astrological magazine, you can see that most of the rasis are always > having mixed or stunted results. > > WHen we read rasi phalas all we get to see is the vedhas and nothing > else. So sometimes we can get carried away by vedhas, and the > accidents to courier boys. But if the courier boy promised to > deliver, wouldnot he get a treatment, and rush to deliver the parcel? > best wishes > partha > > > vedic astrology, "suniljohn_2002" > <suniljohn@g...> wrote: > > Dear Mr.Ron, > > My two cents although I am not that experienced in astrology. > > The reason why the same transit would /might give a diff result > could > > be > > 1) Yes as u stated the dasha/antar/PD could be diff in the next > round > > of transit. > > 2) There might be other transits diff ones happening at the same > time > > in the 2nd round of transit comparing it to the first time of > transit > > where other diff transits might be happening. The Vedha points are > > the key some say which remove the malefic /benefic effects > promised, > > but alas not many on this list use it except "Saaji K", I wonder > why > > no one uses Vedha points, experienced members like Chandrashekhar > and > > others should tell us their expeirence on Vedha Points. > > > > What I feel is that I have sometimes been making mistakes in my > > analysis since I look at one planet giving majority of results and > > conclude that it is what is the GIVER of the event. This thinking > > pattern could have cropped in since many astrologers/students have > > the pattern of saying "oh ur Rahu is the culprit/ Its ur Mars its > deb > > right now" > > so I feel this could be the reason many students like me develop a > > narrow approach rather than a holistic and overaround approach. > > > > "Any event is always the result of several factors combined, a > Chart > > is like a CONTINOUS CHEMICAL REACTION" - this is my personal > > observation and I can be wrong. > > > > I now tend to follow a simple statement which makes the > understanding > > of astrology very simple - this has been coined by Col. Gour if i > am > > not wrong > > > > "Dasa's are the CELESTIAL TIMERS of whats promised in the chart, > > TRANSITS are the CELESTIAL COURIER BOYS without which the event > > doesn't gets delivered in the life of the native" > > > > If u can send ur JHD chart or birth details ( along with mentioning > > the Rasi lagna and Nav lagna in the mail) it can be helpful. The > > details given by you do not contain ashtakvarga. Without > Ashtakvarga > > it is foolish to predict transits, this is what I am learning after > > burning fingers. > > > > Best wishes to ur coming transit, > > > > Sunil John > > Mumbai > > > > > > vedic astrology, "ronate12" <ronate12@i...> > > wrote: > > > I was talking to a friend who picked up Patel's work on Nadi. He > > was > > > looking at my chart and predicted gloom and doom. Obviously > > > inexperience but well meaning. It brings up a point as it is > used > > or > > > alluded to by many with varying results and I was hoping for > > > perspective from some of the current members as to when, where, > and > > > why the use it if at all. Is there something superior or > > adjunctive > > > by using it. My chart has mars, merc,sun,moon and ketu in > cancer > > in > > > the 6th. I am running the Mars dasha. With saturn of course > going > > > to transit cancer in the not to distant future. Does navamsha > help > > > nadi predictions or is of no importance when studying. G. > Krishnan > > > stated that a transit once may have a different result the next > > time > > > it transits the same house. Is it the Dasha or the transiting > > planet > > > that changed perhaps accounting for the difference. I hope to > > > stimulate a lively discussion which we all can learn from > > > Shanti > > > > > > > > > Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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