Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Dear Partha, Nobody is denying that Scorpio is Guhya. The trouble is with interpretation of what constitutes Guhya. This in respect of organs of Kalapurusha, is being discussed. Some are equating Guhya with Anus but not sexual organs. Therefore it is the physical organs which are being discussed. Its being house of occult or hidden things, death or ancestral property, are in other context altogether. Narasimha quoted other authorities just to indicate the meaning of the word Guhya used by Parashara. Unfortunately many are missing the point that if 8th is not the sexual organ of Kalapurusha, then he would be without sexual organs. Certainly not something Parashara could have intended to say. Trust this clears the matter, Chandrashekhar. V.Partha sarathy wrote: > Dear Chandrashekharji, Narasimha and list > > I am not participating as i dont understand Sanskrit. But i have only > one doubt. You all may be right as far as quoting the Varahamihiras > and other venerable writers, but the doubt is 8th house is normally > called the Hidden house, the house of occult. the 8th house of > natural Kalapurusha is Scorpio, so shouldn't scorpio be Guhya? > best wishes > partha > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > wrote: > > Dear Prabodh, > > Could you quote the shloka and the chapter where the shloka is > located > > in BPHS, or at least the shloka? Also read Narasimha's mail. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > amolmandar wrote: > > > > > Dear Chandrashekahr ji Namste > > > > > > I did not mean anything like that. I was just pointing out that > > > Parashara attributtted karakatva of 'Satva','Sheela',and 'Brahma' > > > with Kuja. Since Sheela is to do or to practice i.e Aacharan. The > > > stava(strength/naturalness) required to practice(Sheela) brahma > > > (Brahmachari) is under the domain of Kuja. So Brahmacharya comes > > > under the domain of Kuja. Where is the contradiction ? Why did you > > > feel that I wanted to suggest that Parashara did not know what he > > > was talking about? > > > > > > Being Tamasik is the 'Guna' and not 'karakatva' of mars. This is > > > what I understand. I did not understand your statement "these > > > are not mental attributes of those planets." What does it mean? > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > <boxdel> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Prabodh, > > > > If I may interfere, do you mean Parashara did not know what he > was > > > > talking about when he called Kuja as a Tamasik planet? Satva in > > > the > > > > shloka you refer to relates to strength, as does Veerya to > semen, > > > these > > > > are not mental attributes of those planets. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > amolmandar wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Noname Namste > > > > > > > > > > Going to Basics.... > > > > > > > > > > Parashara in the begining of Grahaswaroopadhya says > that "satvam > > > > > kujo" and "Bhrugu veerya pradayak" in the shloka 13 and 14. So > > > karak > > > > > for satva is Kuja. Parashara as well attributies karakatva > > > > > of "Sheel"(aachar) and "Brahma" with Kuja. So Brahmachari > (Brahma > > > > > aacharti eeti Brahmachari) is Brahmasheel. This means that > > > > > Brahmachaya attributed to Kuja is correct as far as BPHS is > > > > > concerned. SO when you say that basic requirement for > > > brahmachari is > > > > > satvaguna, you should take into consideration karatava for > stava > > > and > > > > > not the grahas with satvaguna as Kuja is tamogunik but satva > > > karak > > > > > where as Guru is satvaguna but putra karak and as well Niyog > > > karak. > > > > > > > > > > Moroeover Satva means naturalness or swabhavadharma. To retain > > > that > > > > > one has to exert and kuja provides that required courage and > > > > > strength. True Brahmachari will have lot of Teja which is > again > > > > > attributed to Kuja. So I think Brhanacharya should be > attributed > > > to > > > > > Kuja. > > > > > > > > > > Just thought of expreesing in this 'basically forgotten' > > > discussion! > > > > > I am junior level student in the jyotish and list. Correct me > if > > > > > found any thing illlogical. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "nameisego" > > > <nameisego> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > Every single individual has overlooked the basic quality > > > > > requirement > > > > > > for a person to become celebate or Brahmachari. > > > > > > Friends, Basic requirement to be a Brahmachari is SATVAGUNA. > > > > > > > > > > > > How should a satvik horoscope look? > > > > > > The answer is clearly given in BPHS and it corroborates this > > > > > beings > > > > > > writing about Moon, Sun and Jupiter (As lord of Dhanur > Rasi) as > > > > > > primary requirement to make a person satvik. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please refer , > > > > > > Chapter 77 sloka 1, > > > > > > It says that predominance of Satvik planets in a horoscope > > > (Moon, > > > > > Sun > > > > > > and Jupiter) makes a person SATVIK. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, Satvik Brahmacharya which is Brahmacharya in true > > > > > sense,means > > > > > > one who is a Brahmachari with Mind, Body and soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > While writing on Brahmacharya , this being had written that, > > > > > > > > > > > > "Being celibate is a matter of choice. It has to do with > MANAS > > > and > > > > > > PRAGNA. Pragna is ruled by Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is represented by Moon, "Chandrama Manaso Jatah" . > > > > > > Mind is equated to a MONKEY (Shall I say Hanuman ?). > > > > > > Hanuman represents control over Mind resulting into being > > > > > JITENDRIYA > > > > > > ..Pragna is ruled by Guru. > > > > > > And Atman is represented by Surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless Pragna is sthira and Manas is controlled, > Brahmacharya > > > is > > > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > > > > > True Brahamacharya is depicted by SHIVA , It is Shiva who > burnt > > > > > > Kamadeva and not Hanuman." Shiva is Adi Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > Atma, represented by Surya and Manas represented by Moon > along > > > > > with > > > > > > Guru (As owner of Dhanur Rasi) play most important part in > > > making > > > > > a > > > > > > person celebate. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lot many knowledgable friends discussed the karakatwa of > > > > > > Brahmacharya and one friend actually wrote that there is no > > > Karaka > > > > > > for Brahmacharya. Sadashiv (Guru as DhanurRasi lord with > > > Ketu's in > > > > > > Gunas) should be accepted as Karaka for Bramacharya.) > > > > > > > > > > > > So when BPHS has given the proof, it is hopd that all > friends > > > of > > > > > this > > > > > > group should have no objection in at least admitting > > > undersigned > > > > > > person's arguments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129691qsg/M=298184.5022502.6152625.30011 > > > > 76/D=groups/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1087499107/A=2164338/R=0/SIG=11ed4vqb > > > v/*http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60183349> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- > --- > > > ------- > > > > > * Links* > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > <vedic astrology? > > > subject=Un> > > > > > > > > > > * > Terms of > > > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=12961gp3q/M=295196.4901138.6071305.300117 > 6/D=groups/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1087539937/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/ > *http://companion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > * Links* > > > > > > * > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > * > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology? > subject=Un> > > > > > > * Terms of > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129l8otmd/M=298184.5022502.6152625.3001176/D=groups\ /S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1087618886/A=2164339/R=0/SIG=11e2d64in/*http://www.netflix.\ com/Default?mqso=60183348> > > > > ------ > * Links* > > * > vedic astrology/ > > * > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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