Confusion regarding Malefics placed in Malefic houses???(example Anamika)

June 10, 2004

Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste

> Weak malefic is more malefic, where strong malefic is capable of

>giving far less malefic effects.

Sir I have a confusion. For the charts where mars is causing dosha

weak mars is preferable. As many of the panchangas say the weak and

debiliated Kuja does not cause the Kuja dosha. On the other hand if

we go by 'weak Malefic is more malefic' principle then debilated

mars in 7th should be treated as strong kujadosha. Now if we take

the example,the charts of Anamika and her husband have Kujadosha.

The anamika chart has Mars debiliated in 7th and her husband has MT

mars in 12th aspecting its own house in 7th. For both of them mars

is functionally malefic. Ofcourse, in anamikas case Mars in

navmansha gets little bit strength being in 5th and own house. In

her husband case the strong exalted mars aspecting 7th own house and

Ve/Me must be creating problems in her married life as neecha mars

cancels kuja dosha in her case. So I thought that strong malefic

will always be more dangerous than weak one. Please clarify.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

Prabodh Vekhande

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Mukund,

> Weak malefic is more malefic, where strong malefic is capable of

giving

> far less malefic effects. This of course has to be applied based

on the

> placement and functional nature of planets. For example in

pravrajya

> yoga weak combust planets, with strong Sun give pravrajya denoted

by

> Sun, whereas strong Malefics similarly placed make a person

devoted to

> such holy men. So the effects, whether malefic or benefic would

depend

> on one's point of view of looking at an event.

> In the example you have quoted rahu occupying Mars's house will

give

> results of Mars too. Therefore in 6th he would probably give you

victory

> over enemies. This is because the nodes give results of house

lord,

> planets associating them and planets in 7th from where they are

placed.

> In addition they give results of Saturn in case of rahu and Mars

in

> Ketu's case if placed as a single planet in a rasi.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> monmuk111 wrote:

>

> > Dear Gentlepeople:

> >

> > I've always wondered whether a weak (in shadbala/vishmopak bala)

> > malefic planet looses it malefic qualities or becomes MORE

malefic?

> >

> > Also, does a strong malefic, i.e. a really strong Rahu, Ketu,

Saturn

> > or Mars give good/benefic results by the virtue of being strong

or

> > will it be MORE malefic because of being strong.

> >

> > Also, most leading authorities and thinkers of vedic astrology

have

> > established that if a malefic planet is placed in a malefic

house,

> > i.e. 3,6,11, then it looses its ability to give malefic results

and

> > instead gives benefic results.

> >

> > Now, my question is as to the aspect of a malefic planet on

another

> > malefic planet--will the aspect of Mars on Rahu make the effects

of

> > Rahu really really bad or will it destroy Rahu and good effects

will

> > be felt in Rahu mahadasa.

> >

> > I was disucssing this with Sanjay (Rath) and Sanjay says that

Mars is

> > the bitter enemy of Rahu. Mars represents Chamunda, i.e. Shakti

and

> > if Mars has its 8th house aspect on Rahu, it will destroy Rahu

(evil)

> > with the ferocity of Chamunda Mata (mother).

> >

> > Now, what Sanjay say makes real good sense to me. However, in my

> > chart Rahu is placed in Aries in the 6th house from Lagna (9th

from

> > Moon)and Mars (lagna lord) is aspecting Rahu from the 11th house

from

> > Lagna. (June 14, 1967, Bombay, 5.29 pm).

> >

> > Now, per Rath's dictum this Mars will destroy Rahu with its 8th

house

> > (astakshari) aspect. However, there is one more dictum in

classics

> > which says that a planet aspecting its own rashi makes the rashi

> > stronger.

> >

> > In my chart, Mars is aspecting Aries his own rashi so per the

dictum

> > it will make Aries stronger; however, I'm confused as to wheter

it

> > will make Rahu stronger as well or will Rath's dictum still be

true

> > and Mars will destroy Rahu despite being placed in Mar's rashi

Aries.

> >

> > I'd apprecite if the Gurus and learned members throw some light

on

> > this situation. Thanks.

> >

> > Mukund

> >

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June 10, 2004

Om Krishna Guru

Dear Friends, Pranams,

While this discussion is going on, I would like to post an intersting

example given by Shri Sanjay (Rath)-ji in the archives.

He says that, a delibrated Rahu in 6th house of Sri Ram gave rise to a

powerful enemy like Ravana.

This is a very appropriate example that shows how a week malefic would

behave.

Regards,

Sarath.

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"amolmandar" <amolmandar

Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:28 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Confusion regarding Malefics placed in

Malefic houses???(example Anamika)

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste

>

> > Weak malefic is more malefic, where strong malefic is capable of

> >giving far less malefic effects.

>

> Sir I have a confusion. For the charts where mars is causing dosha

> weak mars is preferable. As many of the panchangas say the weak and

> debiliated Kuja does not cause the Kuja dosha. On the other hand if

> we go by 'weak Malefic is more malefic' principle then debilated

> mars in 7th should be treated as strong kujadosha. Now if we take

> the example,the charts of Anamika and her husband have Kujadosha.

> The anamika chart has Mars debiliated in 7th and her husband has MT

> mars in 12th aspecting its own house in 7th. For both of them mars

> is functionally malefic. Ofcourse, in anamikas case Mars in

> navmansha gets little bit strength being in 5th and own house. In

> her husband case the strong exalted mars aspecting 7th own house and

> Ve/Me must be creating problems in her married life as neecha mars

> cancels kuja dosha in her case. So I thought that strong malefic

> will always be more dangerous than weak one. Please clarify.

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

>

> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

> wrote:

> > Dear Mukund,

> > Weak malefic is more malefic, where strong malefic is capable of

> giving

> > far less malefic effects. This of course has to be applied based

> on the

> > placement and functional nature of planets. For example in

> pravrajya

> > yoga weak combust planets, with strong Sun give pravrajya denoted

> by

> > Sun, whereas strong Malefics similarly placed make a person

> devoted to

> > such holy men. So the effects, whether malefic or benefic would

> depend

> > on one's point of view of looking at an event.

> > In the example you have quoted rahu occupying Mars's house will

> give

> > results of Mars too. Therefore in 6th he would probably give you

> victory

> > over enemies. This is because the nodes give results of house

> lord,

> > planets associating them and planets in 7th from where they are

> placed.

> > In addition they give results of Saturn in case of rahu and Mars

> in

> > Ketu's case if placed as a single planet in a rasi.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > monmuk111 wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Gentlepeople:

> > >

> > > I've always wondered whether a weak (in shadbala/vishmopak bala)

> > > malefic planet looses it malefic qualities or becomes MORE

> malefic?

> > >

> > > Also, does a strong malefic, i.e. a really strong Rahu, Ketu,

> Saturn

> > > or Mars give good/benefic results by the virtue of being strong

> or

> > > will it be MORE malefic because of being strong.

> > >

> > > Also, most leading authorities and thinkers of vedic astrology

> have

> > > established that if a malefic planet is placed in a malefic

> house,

> > > i.e. 3,6,11, then it looses its ability to give malefic results

> and

> > > instead gives benefic results.

> > >

> > > Now, my question is as to the aspect of a malefic planet on

> another

> > > malefic planet--will the aspect of Mars on Rahu make the effects

> of

> > > Rahu really really bad or will it destroy Rahu and good effects

> will

> > > be felt in Rahu mahadasa.

> > >

> > > I was disucssing this with Sanjay (Rath) and Sanjay says that

> Mars is

> > > the bitter enemy of Rahu. Mars represents Chamunda, i.e. Shakti

> and

> > > if Mars has its 8th house aspect on Rahu, it will destroy Rahu

> (evil)

> > > with the ferocity of Chamunda Mata (mother).

> > >

> > > Now, what Sanjay say makes real good sense to me. However, in my

> > > chart Rahu is placed in Aries in the 6th house from Lagna (9th

> from

> > > Moon)and Mars (lagna lord) is aspecting Rahu from the 11th house

> from

> > > Lagna. (June 14, 1967, Bombay, 5.29 pm).

> > >

> > > Now, per Rath's dictum this Mars will destroy Rahu with its 8th

> house

> > > (astakshari) aspect. However, there is one more dictum in

> classics

> > > which says that a planet aspecting its own rashi makes the rashi

> > > stronger.

> > >

> > > In my chart, Mars is aspecting Aries his own rashi so per the

> dictum

> > > it will make Aries stronger; however, I'm confused as to wheter

> it

> > > will make Rahu stronger as well or will Rath's dictum still be

> true

> > > and Mars will destroy Rahu despite being placed in Mar's rashi

> Aries.

> > >

> > > I'd apprecite if the Gurus and learned members throw some light

> on

> > > this situation. Thanks.

> > >

> > > Mukund

> > >

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--- vinaypatwardhan <patwardhanvinay

wrote: > Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:48:39 -0000

> "vinaypatwardhan"

> <patwardhanvinay

> "amolmandar" <amolmandar

> Re: Confusion regarding Malefics placed in

> Malefic houses???(example Anamika)

>

> ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

>

> Respected Chandrashekharji and Dear Prabodhji,

>

> I'm reading Prabodhji's mail currently where

> debilitated malefic

> planets are consider good (Kuja dosha -- Prabodhji)

> as per his

> opinion!! So I'm also contributing my limited

> knowledge .

>

> I think if we take neecha kuja in seventh then it

> shows fire in

> water! Hence the fire can be controlled! Obviously

> it will reduce the

> fire of mars and accordingly his malefic influence !

> Hence this might

> be written in panchangas that this might reduce the

> effects of mars.

> (Learned ones do rectify me)

>

> But now coming to strong malefics point I do think

> Shri

> Chandrashekharji had guided us correctly!! Like

> consider the same

> case of neecha mars in 10th !! (An upachay also

> along with karma

> sthana) Here also mars is functional malefic but

> it's position in

> debilation in 10th H will surely create some

> problems in career(OR

> exalted one will create?)!! Same way consider it in

> 4th H then even

> though natural significator of lands mars neecha in

> 4th will afflict

> that house (Especially mother's health)!!

> (functionaly good or

> positive planet)

> Like way if we consider neecha mars in all 12 bhavas

> we can easily

> conclude weak malefic is more malefic !!

> In fact aspect of malefic planet on swarasi will

> strengthen it

> (Rasi=Bhava) And aspect of malefic planet on enemies

> house will

> destroy or reduce the effects of that rasi (Bhava)

> The only thing

> when malefics are concerned more hardship or

> struggle is required to

> achieve the success!!

>

> I 'll like to think on mahapurush yogas formed by

> Sat or mars!! So

> Prabodhji , respected Chandrshekharji pls think on

> above points and

> do rectify me.

>

> Regards,

>

> Vinay Patwardhan

>

> vedic astrology, "amolmandar"

>

> <amolmandar> wrote:

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste

> >

> > > Weak malefic is more malefic, where strong

> malefic is capable of

> > >giving far less malefic effects.

> >

> > Sir I have a confusion. For the charts where mars

> is causing dosha

> > weak mars is preferable. As many of the panchangas

> say the weak and

> > debiliated Kuja does not cause the Kuja dosha. On

> the other hand if

> > we go by 'weak Malefic is more malefic' principle

> then debilated

> > mars in 7th should be treated as strong kujadosha.

> Now if we take

> > the example,the charts of Anamika and her husband

> have Kujadosha.

> > The anamika chart has Mars debiliated in 7th and

> her husband has MT

> > mars in 12th aspecting its own house in 7th. For

> both of them mars

> > is functionally malefic. Ofcourse, in anamikas

> case Mars in

> > navmansha gets little bit strength being in 5th

> and own house. In

> > her husband case the strong exalted mars aspecting

> 7th own house

> and

> > Ve/Me must be creating problems in her married

> life as neecha mars

> > cancels kuja dosha in her case. So I thought that

> strong malefic

> > will always be more dangerous than weak one.

> Please clarify.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> >

> > vedic astrology,

> Chandrashekhar

> <boxdel>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Mukund,

> > > Weak malefic is more malefic, where strong

> malefic is capable of

> > giving

> > > far less malefic effects. This of course has to

> be applied based

> > on the

> > > placement and functional nature of planets. For

> example in

> > pravrajya

> > > yoga weak combust planets, with strong Sun give

> pravrajya denoted

> > by

> > > Sun, whereas strong Malefics similarly placed

> make a person

> > devoted to

> > > such holy men. So the effects, whether malefic

> or benefic would

> > depend

> > > on one's point of view of looking at an event.

> > > In the example you have quoted rahu occupying

> Mars's house will

> > give

> > > results of Mars too. Therefore in 6th he would

> probably give you

> > victory

> > > over enemies. This is because the nodes give

> results of house

> > lord,

> > > planets associating them and planets in 7th from

> where they are

> > placed.

> > > In addition they give results of Saturn in case

> of rahu and Mars

> > in

> > > Ketu's case if placed as a single planet in a

> rasi.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > monmuk111 wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Gentlepeople:

> > > >

> > > > I've always wondered whether a weak (in

> shadbala/vishmopak bala)

> > > > malefic planet looses it malefic qualities or

> becomes MORE

> > malefic?

> > > >

> > > > Also, does a strong malefic, i.e. a really

> strong Rahu, Ketu,

> > Saturn

> > > > or Mars give good/benefic results by the

> virtue of being strong

> > or

> > > > will it be MORE malefic because of being

> strong.

> > > >

> > > > Also, most leading authorities and thinkers of

> vedic astrology

> > have

> > > > established that if a malefic planet is placed

> in a malefic

> > house,

> > > > i.e. 3,6,11, then it looses its ability to

> give malefic results

> > and

> > > > instead gives benefic results.

> > > >

> > > > Now, my question is as to the aspect of a

> malefic planet on

> > another

> > > > malefic planet--will the aspect of Mars on

> Rahu make the

> effects

> > of

> > > > Rahu really really bad or will it destroy Rahu

> and good effects

> > will

> > > > be felt in Rahu mahadasa.

> > > >

> > > > I was disucssing this with Sanjay (Rath) and

> Sanjay says that

> > Mars is

> > > > the bitter enemy of Rahu. Mars represents

> Chamunda, i.e. Shakti

> > and

> > > > if Mars has its 8th house aspect on Rahu, it

> will destroy Rahu

> > (evil)

> > > > with the ferocity of Chamunda Mata (mother).

> > > >

> > > > Now, what Sanjay say makes real good sense to

> me. However, in my

> > > > chart Rahu is placed in Aries in the 6th house

> from Lagna (9th

> > from

> > > > Moon)and Mars (lagna lord) is aspecting Rahu

> from the 11th

> house

> > from

> > > > Lagna. (June 14, 1967, Bombay, 5.29 pm).

> > > >

> > > > Now, per Rath's dictum this Mars will destroy

> Rahu with its 8th

> > house

> > > > (astakshari) aspect. However, there is one

> more dictum in

> > classics

> > > > which says that a planet aspecting its own

> rashi makes the rashi

> > > > stronger.

> > > >

> > > > In my chart, Mars is aspecting Aries his own

> rashi so per the

> > dictum

> > > > it will make Aries stronger; however, I'm

> confused as to wheter

> > it

> > > > will make Rahu stronger as well or will Rath's

> dictum still be

> > true

> > > > and Mars will destroy Rahu despite being

> placed in Mar's rashi

> > Aries.

> > > >

> > > > I'd apprecite if the Gurus and learned members

> throw some light

> > on

> > > > this situation. Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > Mukund

> > > >

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--- vinaypatwardhan <patwardhanvinay

wrote: > Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:48:39 -0000

> "vinaypatwardhan"

> <patwardhanvinay

> "amolmandar" <amolmandar

> Re: Confusion regarding Malefics placed in

> Malefic houses???(example Anamika)

>

> ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

>

> Respected Chandrashekharji and Dear Prabodhji,

>

> I'm reading Prabodhji's mail currently where

> debilitated malefic

> planets are consider good (Kuja dosha -- Prabodhji)

> as per his

> opinion!! So I'm also contributing my limited

> knowledge .

>

> I think if we take neecha kuja in seventh then it

> shows fire in

> water! Hence the fire can be controlled! Obviously

> it will reduce the

> fire of mars and accordingly his malefic influence !

> Hence this might

> be written in panchangas that this might reduce the

> effects of mars.

> (Learned ones do rectify me)

>

> But now coming to strong malefics point I do think

> Shri

> Chandrashekharji had guided us correctly!! Like

> consider the same

> case of neecha mars in 10th !! (An upachay also

> along with karma

> sthana) Here also mars is functional malefic but

> it's position in

> debilation in 10th H will surely create some

> problems in career(OR

> exalted one will create?)!! Same way consider it in

> 4th H then even

> though natural significator of lands mars neecha in

> 4th will afflict

> that house (Especially mother's health)!!

> (functionaly good or

> positive planet)

> Like way if we consider neecha mars in all 12 bhavas

> we can easily

> conclude weak malefic is more malefic !!

> In fact aspect of malefic planet on swarasi will

> strengthen it

> (Rasi=Bhava) And aspect of malefic planet on enemies

> house will

> destroy or reduce the effects of that rasi (Bhava)

> The only thing

> when malefics are concerned more hardship or

> struggle is required to

> achieve the success!!

>

> I 'll like to think on mahapurush yogas formed by

> Sat or mars!! So

> Prabodhji , respected Chandrshekharji pls think on

> above points and

> do rectify me.

>

> Regards,

>

> Vinay Patwardhan

>

> vedic astrology, "amolmandar"

>

> <amolmandar> wrote:

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste

> >

> > > Weak malefic is more malefic, where strong

> malefic is capable of

> > >giving far less malefic effects.

> >

> > Sir I have a confusion. For the charts where mars

> is causing dosha

> > weak mars is preferable. As many of the panchangas

> say the weak and

> > debiliated Kuja does not cause the Kuja dosha. On

> the other hand if

> > we go by 'weak Malefic is more malefic' principle

> then debilated

> > mars in 7th should be treated as strong kujadosha.

> Now if we take

> > the example,the charts of Anamika and her husband

> have Kujadosha.

> > The anamika chart has Mars debiliated in 7th and

> her husband has MT

> > mars in 12th aspecting its own house in 7th. For

> both of them mars

> > is functionally malefic. Ofcourse, in anamikas

> case Mars in

> > navmansha gets little bit strength being in 5th

> and own house. In

> > her husband case the strong exalted mars aspecting

> 7th own house

> and

> > Ve/Me must be creating problems in her married

> life as neecha mars

> > cancels kuja dosha in her case. So I thought that

> strong malefic

> > will always be more dangerous than weak one.

> Please clarify.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> >

> > vedic astrology,

> Chandrashekhar

> <boxdel>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Mukund,

> > > Weak malefic is more malefic, where strong

> malefic is capable of

> > giving

> > > far less malefic effects. This of course has to

> be applied based

> > on the

> > > placement and functional nature of planets. For

> example in

> > pravrajya

> > > yoga weak combust planets, with strong Sun give

> pravrajya denoted

> > by

> > > Sun, whereas strong Malefics similarly placed

> make a person

> > devoted to

> > > such holy men. So the effects, whether malefic

> or benefic would

> > depend

> > > on one's point of view of looking at an event.

> > > In the example you have quoted rahu occupying

> Mars's house will

> > give

> > > results of Mars too. Therefore in 6th he would

> probably give you

> > victory

> > > over enemies. This is because the nodes give

> results of house

> > lord,

> > > planets associating them and planets in 7th from

> where they are

> > placed.

> > > In addition they give results of Saturn in case

> of rahu and Mars

> > in

> > > Ketu's case if placed as a single planet in a

> rasi.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > monmuk111 wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Gentlepeople:

> > > >

> > > > I've always wondered whether a weak (in

> shadbala/vishmopak bala)

> > > > malefic planet looses it malefic qualities or

> becomes MORE

> > malefic?

> > > >

> > > > Also, does a strong malefic, i.e. a really

> strong Rahu, Ketu,

> > Saturn

> > > > or Mars give good/benefic results by the

> virtue of being strong

> > or

> > > > will it be MORE malefic because of being

> strong.

> > > >

> > > > Also, most leading authorities and thinkers of

> vedic astrology

> > have

> > > > established that if a malefic planet is placed

> in a malefic

> > house,

> > > > i.e. 3,6,11, then it looses its ability to

> give malefic results

> > and

> > > > instead gives benefic results.

> > > >

> > > > Now, my question is as to the aspect of a

> malefic planet on

> > another

> > > > malefic planet--will the aspect of Mars on

> Rahu make the

> effects

> > of

> > > > Rahu really really bad or will it destroy Rahu

> and good effects

> > will

> > > > be felt in Rahu mahadasa.

> > > >

> > > > I was disucssing this with Sanjay (Rath) and

> Sanjay says that

> > Mars is

> > > > the bitter enemy of Rahu. Mars represents

> Chamunda, i.e. Shakti

> > and

> > > > if Mars has its 8th house aspect on Rahu, it

> will destroy Rahu

> > (evil)

> > > > with the ferocity of Chamunda Mata (mother).

> > > >

> > > > Now, what Sanjay say makes real good sense to

> me. However, in my

> > > > chart Rahu is placed in Aries in the 6th house

> from Lagna (9th

> > from

> > > > Moon)and Mars (lagna lord) is aspecting Rahu

> from the 11th

> house

> > from

> > > > Lagna. (June 14, 1967, Bombay, 5.29 pm).

> > > >

> > > > Now, per Rath's dictum this Mars will destroy

> Rahu with its 8th

> > house

> > > > (astakshari) aspect. However, there is one

> more dictum in

> > classics

> > > > which says that a planet aspecting its own

> rashi makes the rashi

> > > > stronger.

> > > >

> > > > In my chart, Mars is aspecting Aries his own

> rashi so per the

> > dictum

> > > > it will make Aries stronger; however, I'm

> confused as to wheter

> > it

> > > > will make Rahu stronger as well or will Rath's

> dictum still be

> > true

> > > > and Mars will destroy Rahu despite being

> placed in Mar's rashi

> > Aries.

> > > >

> > > > I'd apprecite if the Gurus and learned members

> throw some light

> > on

> > > > this situation. Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > Mukund

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This is an interesting converstation. Hope you don't mind an amature joining in

the conversation. I believe that a planet is weak if it is placed badly both in

rasi and navamsa (i.e. if a graha is a kendra lord and it's placed in a trik

house, or the dispositor is placed in a trik house or it is conjunct or

aspected by malefics or combust, etc). Debilitation does render a planet weak,

but this is unlike the weakness caused by placements or conjunctions with

functional and/or natural malefics (or badly placed dispositor, etc).

Debilitation takes away the iccha-shakti(or the will) of a graha to execute

it's duties, this means that the native will need to compensate and work harder

in those areas represented by the planet. However, if a planet is weak by

placement(kendra/kona lord in trik houses, dispositor in trik houses, etc) then

the planet will bring in all sorts of troubles. Along the same lines, if that

planet is strong due to the aspect of benefics, or due to

it's dispositor being placed strongly, even if it's in an enemy's house, it

won't cause as many problems because the native will be stronger to handle

those situations. Hope this helps.

Kind Regards,

- JaiAmol Mandar <amolmandar > wrote:

--- vinaypatwardhan wrote: > Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:48:39 -0000>

"vinaypatwardhan"> > "amolmandar" > Re: Confusion regarding

Malefics placed in> Malefic houses???(example Anamika)> > ||Shri

GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| > > Respected Chandrashekharji and Dear Prabodhji,

> > I'm reading Prabodhji's mail currently where> debilitated malefic > planets

are consider good (Kuja dosha -- Prabodhji)> as per his > opinion!! So I'm also

contributing my limited> knowledge .>

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Dear Amol,

Planets in marana sthan yeild unfavourable results.Now if these

are debilitated those results too get oppressed and that is why this becomes

good.Try to under stand principles from the dictums rather than loosely

applying logic.Tattwas are of great depth and not lucid.

Best Wishes,

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>Amol Mandar <amolmandar > >vedic astrology

>[vedic astrology] Fwd: Re: Confusion regarding Malefics placed in

Malefic houses???(example Anamika) >Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:03:37 +0100 (BST)

> > --- vinaypatwardhan <patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> >wrote: > Thu, 10

Jun 2004 12:48:39 -0000 > > "vinaypatwardhan" > >

<patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> > > "amolmandar" <amolmandar > > >

Re: Confusion regarding Malefics placed in > > Malefic

houses???(example Anamika) > > > > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| > > > >

Respected Chandrashekharji and Dear Prabodhji, > > > > I'm reading Prabodhji's

mail currently where > > debilitated malefic > > planets are consider good

(Kuja dosha -- Prabodhji) > > as per his > > opinion!! So I'm also contributing

my limited > > knowledge . > > > > I think if we take neecha kuja in seventh

then it > > shows fire in > > water! Hence the fire can be controlled!

Obviously > > it will reduce the > > fire of mars and accordingly his malefic

influence ! > > Hence this might > > be written in panchangas that this might

reduce the > > effects of mars. > > (Learned ones do rectify me) > > > > But

now coming to strong malefics point I do think > > Shri > > Chandrashekharji

had guided us correctly!! Like > > consider the same > > case of neecha mars in

10th !! (An upachay also > > along with karma > > sthana) Here also mars is

functional malefic but > > it's position in > > debilation in 10th H will

surely create some > > problems in career(OR > > exalted one will create?)!!

Same way consider it in > > 4th H then even > > though natural significator of

lands mars neecha in > > 4th will afflict > > that house (Especially mother's

health)!! > > (functionaly good or > > positive planet) > > Like way if we

consider neecha mars in all 12 bhavas > > we can easily > > conclude weak

malefic is more malefic !! > > In fact aspect of malefic planet on swarasi will

> > strengthen it > > (Rasi=Bhava) And aspect of malefic planet on enemies > >

house will > > destroy or reduce the effects of that rasi (Bhava) > > The only

thing > > when malefics are concerned more hardship or > > struggle is required

to > > achieve the success!! > > > > I 'll like to think on mahapurush yogas

formed by > > Sat or mars!! So > > Prabodhji , respected Chandrshekharji pls

think on > > above points and > > do rectify me. > > > > Regards, > > > > Vinay

Patwardhan > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "amolmandar"

> > > > <amolmandar> wrote: > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste > > > > >

> > Weak malefic is more malefic, where strong > > malefic is capable of > > >

>giving far less malefic effects. > > > > > > Sir I have a confusion. For the

charts where mars > > is causing dosha > > > weak mars is preferable. As many

of the panchangas > > say the weak and > > > debiliated Kuja does not cause the

Kuja dosha. On > > the other hand if > > > we go by 'weak Malefic is more

malefic' principle > > then debilated > > > mars in 7th should be treated as

strong kujadosha. > > Now if we take > > > the example,the charts of Anamika

and her husband > > have Kujadosha. > > > The anamika chart has Mars debiliated

in 7th and > > her husband has MT > > > mars in 12th aspecting its own house in

7th. For > > both of them mars > > > is functionally malefic. Ofcourse, in

anamikas > > case Mars in > > > navmansha gets little bit strength being in 5th

> > and own house. In > > > her husband case the strong exalted mars aspecting >

> 7th own house > > and > > > Ve/Me must be creating problems in her married > >

life as neecha mars > > > cancels kuja dosha in her case. So I thought that > >

strong malefic > > > will always be more dangerous than weak one. > > Please

clarify. > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > > > >

Prabodh Vekhande > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, > >

Chandrashekhar > > <boxdel> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Mukund, > > > > Weak

malefic is more malefic, where strong > > malefic is capable of > > > giving > >

> > far less malefic effects. This of course has to > > be applied based > > >

on the > > > > placement and functional nature of planets. For > > example in >

> > pravrajya > > > > yoga weak combust planets, with strong Sun give > >

pravrajya denoted > > > by > > > > Sun, whereas strong Malefics similarly

placed > > make a person > > > devoted to > > > > such holy men. So the

effects, whether malefic > > or benefic would > > > depend > > > > on one's

point of view of looking at an event. > > > > In the example you have quoted

rahu occupying > > Mars's house will > > > give > > > > results of Mars too.

Therefore in 6th he would > > probably give you > > > victory > > > > over

enemies. This is because the nodes give > > results of house > > > lord, > > >

> planets associating them and planets in 7th from > > where they are > > >

placed. > > > > In addition they give results of Saturn in case > > of rahu and

Mars > > > in > > > > Ketu's case if placed as a single planet in a > > rasi. >

> > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > monmuk111 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear

Gentlepeople: > > > > > > > > > > I've always wondered whether a weak (in > >

shadbala/vishmopak bala) > > > > > malefic planet looses it malefic qualities

or > > becomes MORE > > > malefic? > > > > > > > > > > Also, does a strong

malefic, i.e. a really > > strong Rahu, Ketu, > > > Saturn > > > > > or Mars

give good/benefic results by the > > virtue of being strong > > > or > > > > >

will it be MORE malefic because of being > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > Also,

most leading authorities and thinkers of > > vedic astrology > > > have > > > >

> established that if a malefic planet is placed > > in a malefic > > > house, >

> > > > i.e. 3,6,11, then it looses its ability to > > give malefic results > >

> and > > > > > instead gives benefic results. > > > > > > > > > > Now, my

question is as to the aspect of a > > malefic planet on > > > another > > > > >

malefic planet--will the aspect of Mars on > > Rahu make the > > effects > > >

of > > > > > Rahu really really bad or will it destroy Rahu > > and good

effects > > > will > > > > > be felt in Rahu mahadasa. > > > > > > > > > > I

was disucssing this with Sanjay (Rath) and > > Sanjay says that > > > Mars is >

> > > > the bitter enemy of Rahu. Mars represents > > Chamunda, i.e. Shakti > >

> and > > > > > if Mars has its 8th house aspect on Rahu, it > > will destroy

Rahu > > > (evil) > > > > > with the ferocity of Chamunda Mata (mother). > > >

> > > > > > > Now, what Sanjay say makes real good sense to > > me. However, in

my > > > > > chart Rahu is placed in Aries in the 6th house > > from Lagna (9th

> > > from > > > > > Moon)and Mars (lagna lord) is aspecting Rahu > > from the

11th > > house > > > from > > > > > Lagna. (June 14, 1967, Bombay, 5.29 pm). >

> > > > > > > > > Now, per Rath's dictum this Mars will destroy > > Rahu with

its 8th > > > house > > > > > (astakshari) aspect. However, there is one > >

more dictum in > > > classics > > > > > which says that a planet aspecting its

own > > rashi makes the rashi > > > > > stronger. > > > > > > > > > > In my

chart, Mars is aspecting Aries his own > > rashi so per the > > > dictum > > >

> > it will make Aries stronger; however, I'm > > confused as to wheter > > >

it > > > > > will make Rahu stronger as well or will Rath's > > dictum still be

> > > true > > > > > and Mars will destroy Rahu despite being > > placed in

Mar's rashi > > > Aries. > > > > > > > > > > I'd apprecite if the Gurus and

learned members > > throw some light > > > on > > > > > this situation. Thanks.

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Dear Jai,

The translation debilitation comes from the term 'Neecha'. This

does not indicate a weakness but more like loosing the good qualities and may

even reflect enhanced bad ''neecha'' qualities.Debilitated Rahu can even

symbolize a thief or someone who involves them selves with low acts or low

morals.Debilitated Mars can lead to very bad health specially in some

yogas.Debilitated Moon can give a native unstable mental attitudes.All these

are as effective as any other affliction in a chart.Debilitated planet in a

chart must be studied properly.Results can be derived by studying the

afflictions of the planet to the chart and affliction to the planet itself and

it's placement in the Navamsa.

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>j balagopal <jbalagop > >vedic astrology

>Re: [vedic astrology] Fwd: Re: Confusion regarding Malefics placed in

Malefic houses???(example Anamika) >Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:21:33 -0700 (PDT)

> >Hello All, > >This is an interesting converstation. Hope you don't mind an

amature joining in the conversation. I believe that a planet is weak if it is

placed badly both in rasi and navamsa (i.e. if a graha is a kendra lord and

it's placed in a trik house, or the dispositor is placed in a trik house or it

is conjunct or aspected by malefics or combust, etc). Debilitation does render

a planet weak, but this is unlike the weakness caused by placements or

conjunctions with functional and/or natural malefics (or badly placed

dispositor, etc). Debilitation takes away the iccha-shakti(or the will) of a

graha to execute it's duties, this means that the native will need to

compensate and work harder in those areas represented by the planet. However,

if a planet is weak by placement(kendra/kona lord in trik houses, dispositor in

trik houses, etc) then the planet will bring in all sorts of troubles. Along

the same lines, if that planet is strong due to the aspect of benefics, or due

to it's dispositor > being placed strongly, even if it's in an enemy's house,

it won't cause as many problems because the native will be stronger to handle

those situations. > >Hope this helps. > >Kind Regards, > >- Jai >Amol Mandar

<amolmandar > wrote: >--- vinaypatwardhan > >wrote: > Thu, 10

Jun 2004 12:48:39 -0000 > > "vinaypatwardhan" > > > > > "amolmandar"

> > Re: Confusion regarding Malefics placed in > > Malefic

houses???(example Anamika) > > > > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah|| > > > >

Respected Chandrashekharji and Dear Prabodhji, > > > > I'm reading Prabodhji's

mail currently where > > debilitated malefic > > planets are consider good

(Kuja dosha -- Prabodhji) > > as per his > > opinion!! So I'm also contributing

my limited > > knowledge . > > > >om tat sat > >

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Dear Vinay Namste

Even if we consider that neecha kuja as fire in water but it should

be true for all the bhavas. Mars in 7th only can not be considered

as fire in water. In 10th as well it will be fire in water so

effects of mars will not be there with respect to 10th house. So its

neecha effects will be seen but not in amplified manner I suppose.

We are considering that weak malefic becomes strong malefic. I think

weak is always weak since it fails to protect houses owned by it and

hence their effects.

As far as aspect of malefic on swarasi,yes it strengthen the bhava

because being weak its dristi does not become weak.

I think person with shasha yoga may have tendency to doing excesses

in ocult sciences. Which may be good(benefic) for him but usually we

find his family to suffer(melefic) because of that. So my point is

that strong malefic will give effect like strong planet and weak

malefic will give as weak. There is will be no amplification in

their effects.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

Prabodh Vekhande

vedic astrology, Amol Mandar

<amolmandar> wrote:

> --- vinaypatwardhan <patwardhanvinay@h...>

> wrote: > Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:48:39 -0000

> > "vinaypatwardhan"

> > <patwardhanvinay@h...>

> > "amolmandar" <amolmandar>

> > Re: Confusion regarding Malefics placed in

> > Malefic houses???(example Anamika)

> >

> > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> >

> > Respected Chandrashekharji and Dear Prabodhji,

> >

> > I'm reading Prabodhji's mail currently where

> > debilitated malefic

> > planets are consider good (Kuja dosha -- Prabodhji)

> > as per his

> > opinion!! So I'm also contributing my limited

> > knowledge .

> >

> > I think if we take neecha kuja in seventh then it

> > shows fire in

> > water! Hence the fire can be controlled! Obviously

> > it will reduce the

> > fire of mars and accordingly his malefic influence !

> > Hence this might

> > be written in panchangas that this might reduce the

> > effects of mars.

> > (Learned ones do rectify me)

> >

> > But now coming to strong malefics point I do think

> > Shri

> > Chandrashekharji had guided us correctly!! Like

> > consider the same

> > case of neecha mars in 10th !! (An upachay also

> > along with karma

> > sthana) Here also mars is functional malefic but

> > it's position in

> > debilation in 10th H will surely create some

> > problems in career(OR

> > exalted one will create?)!! Same way consider it in

> > 4th H then even

> > though natural significator of lands mars neecha in

> > 4th will afflict

> > that house (Especially mother's health)!!

> > (functionaly good or

> > positive planet)

> > Like way if we consider neecha mars in all 12 bhavas

> > we can easily

> > conclude weak malefic is more malefic !!

> > In fact aspect of malefic planet on swarasi will

> > strengthen it

> > (Rasi=Bhava) And aspect of malefic planet on enemies

> > house will

> > destroy or reduce the effects of that rasi (Bhava)

> > The only thing

> > when malefics are concerned more hardship or

> > struggle is required to

> > achieve the success!!

> >

> > I 'll like to think on mahapurush yogas formed by

> > Sat or mars!! So

> > Prabodhji , respected Chandrshekharji pls think on

> > above points and

> > do rectify me.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Vinay Patwardhan

> >

> > vedic astrology, "amolmandar"

> >

> > <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste

> > >

> > > > Weak malefic is more malefic, where strong

> > malefic is capable of

> > > >giving far less malefic effects.

> > >

> > > Sir I have a confusion. For the charts where mars

> > is causing dosha

> > > weak mars is preferable. As many of the panchangas

> > say the weak and

> > > debiliated Kuja does not cause the Kuja dosha. On

> > the other hand if

> > > we go by 'weak Malefic is more malefic' principle

> > then debilated

> > > mars in 7th should be treated as strong kujadosha.

> > Now if we take

> > > the example,the charts of Anamika and her husband

> > have Kujadosha.

> > > The anamika chart has Mars debiliated in 7th and

> > her husband has MT

> > > mars in 12th aspecting its own house in 7th. For

> > both of them mars

> > > is functionally malefic. Ofcourse, in anamikas

> > case Mars in

> > > navmansha gets little bit strength being in 5th

> > and own house. In

> > > her husband case the strong exalted mars aspecting

> > 7th own house

> > and

> > > Ve/Me must be creating problems in her married

> > life as neecha mars

> > > cancels kuja dosha in her case. So I thought that

> > strong malefic

> > > will always be more dangerous than weak one.

> > Please clarify.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > >

> > > vedic astrology,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > <boxdel>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Mukund,

> > > > Weak malefic is more malefic, where strong

> > malefic is capable of

> > > giving

> > > > far less malefic effects. This of course has to

> > be applied based

> > > on the

> > > > placement and functional nature of planets. For

> > example in

> > > pravrajya

> > > > yoga weak combust planets, with strong Sun give

> > pravrajya denoted

> > > by

> > > > Sun, whereas strong Malefics similarly placed

> > make a person

> > > devoted to

> > > > such holy men. So the effects, whether malefic

> > or benefic would

> > > depend

> > > > on one's point of view of looking at an event.

> > > > In the example you have quoted rahu occupying

> > Mars's house will

> > > give

> > > > results of Mars too. Therefore in 6th he would

> > probably give you

> > > victory

> > > > over enemies. This is because the nodes give

> > results of house

> > > lord,

> > > > planets associating them and planets in 7th from

> > where they are

> > > placed.

> > > > In addition they give results of Saturn in case

> > of rahu and Mars

> > > in

> > > > Ketu's case if placed as a single planet in a

> > rasi.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > monmuk111 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Gentlepeople:

> > > > >

> > > > > I've always wondered whether a weak (in

> > shadbala/vishmopak bala)

> > > > > malefic planet looses it malefic qualities or

> > becomes MORE

> > > malefic?

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, does a strong malefic, i.e. a really

> > strong Rahu, Ketu,

> > > Saturn

> > > > > or Mars give good/benefic results by the

> > virtue of being strong

> > > or

> > > > > will it be MORE malefic because of being

> > strong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, most leading authorities and thinkers of

> > vedic astrology

> > > have

> > > > > established that if a malefic planet is placed

> > in a malefic

> > > house,

> > > > > i.e. 3,6,11, then it looses its ability to

> > give malefic results

> > > and

> > > > > instead gives benefic results.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, my question is as to the aspect of a

> > malefic planet on

> > > another

> > > > > malefic planet--will the aspect of Mars on

> > Rahu make the

> > effects

> > > of

> > > > > Rahu really really bad or will it destroy Rahu

> > and good effects

> > > will

> > > > > be felt in Rahu mahadasa.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was disucssing this with Sanjay (Rath) and

> > Sanjay says that

> > > Mars is

> > > > > the bitter enemy of Rahu. Mars represents

> > Chamunda, i.e. Shakti

> > > and

> > > > > if Mars has its 8th house aspect on Rahu, it

> > will destroy Rahu

> > > (evil)

> > > > > with the ferocity of Chamunda Mata (mother).

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, what Sanjay say makes real good sense to

> > me. However, in my

> > > > > chart Rahu is placed in Aries in the 6th house

> > from Lagna (9th

> > > from

> > > > > Moon)and Mars (lagna lord) is aspecting Rahu

> > from the 11th

> > house

> > > from

> > > > > Lagna. (June 14, 1967, Bombay, 5.29 pm).

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, per Rath's dictum this Mars will destroy

> > Rahu with its 8th

> > > house

> > > > > (astakshari) aspect. However, there is one

> > more dictum in

> > > classics

> > > > > which says that a planet aspecting its own

> > rashi makes the rashi

> > > > > stronger.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my chart, Mars is aspecting Aries his own

> > rashi so per the

> > > dictum

> > > > > it will make Aries stronger; however, I'm

> > confused as to wheter

> > > it

> > > > > will make Rahu stronger as well or will Rath's

> > dictum still be

> > > true

> > > > > and Mars will destroy Rahu despite being

> > placed in Mar's rashi

> > > Aries.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd apprecite if the Gurus and learned members

> > throw some light

> > > on

> > > > > this situation. Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mukund

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vedic astrology, "kanu priya" <barish44@h...>

wrote:

>

Dear Kanu Namste

Thahnks for the advise. As a matter of fact I wanted to say same

thing. There is more in tatwas. Yes a debiliated planet in

maranakarana stahna is good but being debiliated it will fail to

protect bhavas owned by it. So that effects will still be there.

That is why I just want to convey that weak planet is weak and its

effects will be accordingly. There will not be any amplification of

its effects being weak. I suppose this simple logic and if I am

applying it loosly please rectify it.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

Prabodh Vekhande

Om Gurave Namah ~ Bhalchandraya Hum

Dear Amol,

Planets in marana sthan yeild unfavourable

results.Now if these are debilitated those results too get oppressed

and that is why this becomes good.Try to under stand principles from

the dictums rather than loosely applying logic.Tattwas are of great

depth and not lucid.

Best Wishes,

June 10, 2004

Dear Members:

So, do we have a conclusion?

I've understood the foll. from our discussion:

A planet aspecting its own rashi makes the rashi stronger, but if

there is an enemy planet located in that rashi, it destroys this

enemy planet, for eg. If Mars aspects Aries with Rahu in it located

in the 6th house from Lagan, it makes Aries stonger, 6th house

stonger, but will destroy Rahu as Mars is a great enemy of Rahu.

Have I understood correctly--Kanu Priya, Ramdasji, others? Thanks.

Mukund

vedic astrology, "amolmandar"

<amolmandar> wrote:

> vedic astrology, "kanu priya"

<barish44@h...>

> wrote:

> >

> Dear Kanu Namste

>

> Thahnks for the advise. As a matter of fact I wanted to say same

> thing. There is more in tatwas. Yes a debiliated planet in

> maranakarana stahna is good but being debiliated it will fail to

> protect bhavas owned by it. So that effects will still be there.

> That is why I just want to convey that weak planet is weak and its

> effects will be accordingly. There will not be any amplification of

> its effects being weak. I suppose this simple logic and if I am

> applying it loosly please rectify it.

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

>

> Om Gurave Namah ~ Bhalchandraya Hum

>

> Dear Amol,

>

> Planets in marana sthan yeild unfavourable

> results.Now if these are debilitated those results too get

oppressed

> and that is why this becomes good.Try to under stand principles

from

> the dictums rather than loosely applying logic.Tattwas are of great

> depth and not lucid.

>

> Best Wishes,

June 10, 2004

Hare Krishna

Dear Mukund,

i wrote this in a hurry...

Here are my ramblings, however i suggest everyone read Sanjays Crux

of Vedic Astrology-Chapter6 , much is in there about all this stuff.

The 6th house is also the house of work,and of course- debt,disease,

and enemies,etc.Your 6th house is aires, a moveable sign, so

remedials can help. or the bad effects can be overcome.Aires is owned

by Mars, the lagna lord, so as far as i understand in this case since

Mars is an aggresive and passionate planet. the person, having 6th

house ownership gives a person who has competitors/ think of all the

times we need to "defeat" others.

To succeed at a job situation a person generally needs to be

assertive,This is why malefics in 3rd and 6th from AL give success in

material things.Mars in your chart has both ehlped and hindered you

at times,when you get in conflicts with people,

Gains come from 2nd and 11th from AL. And losses come from 8th and

12th from AL.

Mars is also karaka for siblings,landed property, among other thing.

So we can look at your chart and see if your Rahu falls in any of

those situations.

Next thing is: Rahu is co-lord of aquarious- 4th house, so during

Rahu mahadasa you need to keep that in mind for interpretation.

As co-(lord of 4th in 6th)-4th house gets afflicted,

This could mean you could get some debts in regards to 4th house

issues.(Aquarious is also the A6).

Malefics are considered good in 6th as they burn off some steam there-

in a more postive way,

Generally when a house lord aspects his house the house becomes

stronger, so yes the house of work, debts, disease gets strong.BUT

the houses that the planet owns would get destroyed.(4th)

is placed shows who we have enimity with, here it is in house of

freinds and gains,

also sometimes a person is his own worst enemy-

Rahu can signify alot of people and things,you know best.

One thing is,perhaps Rahu isnt so bad, as far as i remember you make

good salary, and that has something to do with rahu? as it is

aspecting your second house, and 10th house.

SO it seems likely Rahu dasa is related to work issues,another

confirming point is the dipositor of Rahu, Mars also is involved with

work too.

Mars has argala on the 10th house and aspects the 2nd house and the

5th and 6th.Fifth house is house of competitions/power/etc/ and 6th

is people we fight with/need to defend and defeat against.

Ok here are some guides for Vimshottari dasa.

During the Dasa of malefic planets the house placement/ownership will

be felt in the middle third,

aspects to and from it in the last third,

and the strength of the planet will be felt in the 1st third.

I suggest you check your Narayana dasa and see what signs you will be

running during that time and confirm if there are some similiar

trends.]I looked and appears to be Aires-also showing confirmation of

6th house affairs.

Then we can take Rahu(aires as lagna) as another way to interpret the

results.in this case Rahu owns the 11thouse from itself.So shows

gains/desires.

I didnt plug in your chart but where does Merc fall in reference to

Rahu, as it will be the 6th lord from Rahu.

See Moon and Suns relationship from Rahu,

Ok , hope that didnt confuse you more.but i find that by going

through each point usually there forms a common picture that helps

understand what the effects will be.

Just curious , have you noticed what effects you get when you go

through an antara dasa of Rahu?

Whats the situation with mother or landed,ancestral property>?

Take Care,

Lakshmi

P.S. See where jupiter and Sat will be transiting at that time, they

will contribute to the delivering the effects,

especially Sat.

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

wrote:

> Dear Members:

>

> So, do we have a conclusion?

>

> I've understood the foll. from our discussion:

>

> A planet aspecting its own rashi makes the rashi stronger, but if

> there is an enemy planet located in that rashi, it destroys this

> enemy planet, for eg. If Mars aspects Aries with Rahu in it located

> in the 6th house from Lagan, it makes Aries stonger, 6th house

> stonger, but will destroy Rahu as Mars is a great enemy of Rahu.

>

> Have I understood correctly--Kanu Priya, Ramdasji, others? Thanks.

>

> Mukund

>

> vedic astrology, "amolmandar"

> <amolmandar> wrote:

> > vedic astrology, "kanu priya"

> <barish44@h...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > Dear Kanu Namste

> >

> > Thahnks for the advise. As a matter of fact I wanted to say same

> > thing. There is more in tatwas. Yes a debiliated planet in

> > maranakarana stahna is good but being debiliated it will fail to

> > protect bhavas owned by it. So that effects will still be there.

> > That is why I just want to convey that weak planet is weak and

its

> > effects will be accordingly. There will not be any amplification

of

> > its effects being weak. I suppose this simple logic and if I am

> > applying it loosly please rectify it.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah ~ Bhalchandraya Hum

> >

> > Dear Amol,

> >

> > Planets in marana sthan yeild unfavourable

> > results.Now if these are debilitated those results too get

> oppressed

> > and that is why this becomes good.Try to under stand principles

> from

> > the dictums rather than loosely applying logic.Tattwas are of

great

> > depth and not lucid.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

June 10, 2004

Dear Prabodh,

Do the Panchangas really say that? For example would for Aries Lagna,

Mars in Scorpio be treated as Kuja dosha? I doubt. I do not have chart

of Anamika at hand. You may like to ask Anamika whether her speech is

not causing the Marital problems( debilitated Mars aspecting 2nd house).

I am certain you will be surprised.

Again think why the Panch Mahapurusha Yogas happen when Malefics are in

strength, both by placement and by Rasi occupied.

Chandrashekhar.

amolmandar wrote: