Fwd: Confusion regarding Malefics placed in Malefic houses???(example Anamika)

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--- vinaypatwardhan <patwardhanvinay

wrote: > Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:48:39 -0000

> "vinaypatwardhan"

> <patwardhanvinay

> "amolmandar" <amolmandar

> Re: Confusion regarding Malefics placed in

> Malefic houses???(example Anamika)

>

> ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

>

> Respected Chandrashekharji and Dear Prabodhji,

>

> I'm reading Prabodhji's mail currently where

> debilitated malefic

> planets are consider good (Kuja dosha -- Prabodhji)

> as per his

> opinion!! So I'm also contributing my limited

> knowledge .

>

> I think if we take neecha kuja in seventh then it

> shows fire in

> water! Hence the fire can be controlled! Obviously

> it will reduce the

> fire of mars and accordingly his malefic influence !

> Hence this might

> be written in panchangas that this might reduce the

> effects of mars.

> (Learned ones do rectify me)

>

> But now coming to strong malefics point I do think

> Shri

> Chandrashekharji had guided us correctly!! Like

> consider the same

> case of neecha mars in 10th !! (An upachay also

> along with karma

> sthana) Here also mars is functional malefic but

> it's position in

> debilation in 10th H will surely create some

> problems in career(OR

> exalted one will create?)!! Same way consider it in

> 4th H then even

> though natural significator of lands mars neecha in

> 4th will afflict

> that house (Especially mother's health)!!

> (functionaly good or

> positive planet)

> Like way if we consider neecha mars in all 12 bhavas

> we can easily

> conclude weak malefic is more malefic !!

> In fact aspect of malefic planet on swarasi will

> strengthen it

> (Rasi=Bhava) And aspect of malefic planet on enemies

> house will

> destroy or reduce the effects of that rasi (Bhava)

> The only thing

> when malefics are concerned more hardship or

> struggle is required to

> achieve the success!!

>

> I 'll like to think on mahapurush yogas formed by

> Sat or mars!! So

> Prabodhji , respected Chandrshekharji pls think on

> above points and

> do rectify me.

>

> Regards,

>

> Vinay Patwardhan

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "amolmandar"

>

> <amolmandar> wrote:

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji Namste

> >

> > > Weak malefic is more malefic, where strong

> malefic is capable of

> > >giving far less malefic effects.

> >

> > Sir I have a confusion. For the charts where mars

> is causing dosha

> > weak mars is preferable. As many of the panchangas

> say the weak and

> > debiliated Kuja does not cause the Kuja dosha. On

> the other hand if

> > we go by 'weak Malefic is more malefic' principle

> then debilated

> > mars in 7th should be treated as strong kujadosha.

> Now if we take

> > the example,the charts of Anamika and her husband

> have Kujadosha.

> > The anamika chart has Mars debiliated in 7th and

> her husband has MT

> > mars in 12th aspecting its own house in 7th. For

> both of them mars

> > is functionally malefic. Ofcourse, in anamikas

> case Mars in

> > navmansha gets little bit strength being in 5th

> and own house. In

> > her husband case the strong exalted mars aspecting

> 7th own house

> and

> > Ve/Me must be creating problems in her married

> life as neecha mars

> > cancels kuja dosha in her case. So I thought that

> strong malefic

> > will always be more dangerous than weak one.

> Please clarify.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> >

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology,

> Chandrashekhar

> <boxdel>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Mukund,

> > > Weak malefic is more malefic, where strong

> malefic is capable of

> > giving

> > > far less malefic effects. This of course has to

> be applied based

> > on the

> > > placement and functional nature of planets. For

> example in

> > pravrajya

> > > yoga weak combust planets, with strong Sun give

> pravrajya denoted

> > by

> > > Sun, whereas strong Malefics similarly placed

> make a person

> > devoted to

> > > such holy men. So the effects, whether malefic

> or benefic would

> > depend

> > > on one's point of view of looking at an event.

> > > In the example you have quoted rahu occupying

> Mars's house will

> > give

> > > results of Mars too. Therefore in 6th he would

> probably give you

> > victory

> > > over enemies. This is because the nodes give

> results of house

> > lord,

> > > planets associating them and planets in 7th from

> where they are

> > placed.

> > > In addition they give results of Saturn in case

> of rahu and Mars

> > in

> > > Ketu's case if placed as a single planet in a

> rasi.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > monmuk111 wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Gentlepeople:

> > > >

> > > > I've always wondered whether a weak (in

> shadbala/vishmopak bala)

> > > > malefic planet looses it malefic qualities or

> becomes MORE

> > malefic?

> > > >

> > > > Also, does a strong malefic, i.e. a really

> strong Rahu, Ketu,

> > Saturn

> > > > or Mars give good/benefic results by the

> virtue of being strong

> > or

> > > > will it be MORE malefic because of being

> strong.

> > > >

> > > > Also, most leading authorities and thinkers of

> vedic astrology

> > have

> > > > established that if a malefic planet is placed

> in a malefic

> > house,

> > > > i.e. 3,6,11, then it looses its ability to

> give malefic results

> > and

> > > > instead gives benefic results.

> > > >

> > > > Now, my question is as to the aspect of a

> malefic planet on

> > another

> > > > malefic planet--will the aspect of Mars on

> Rahu make the

> effects

> > of

> > > > Rahu really really bad or will it destroy Rahu

> and good effects

> > will

> > > > be felt in Rahu mahadasa.

> > > >

> > > > I was disucssing this with Sanjay (Rath) and

> Sanjay says that

> > Mars is

> > > > the bitter enemy of Rahu. Mars represents

> Chamunda, i.e. Shakti

> > and

> > > > if Mars has its 8th house aspect on Rahu, it

> will destroy Rahu

> > (evil)

> > > > with the ferocity of Chamunda Mata (mother).

> > > >

> > > > Now, what Sanjay say makes real good sense to

> me. However, in my

> > > > chart Rahu is placed in Aries in the 6th house

> from Lagna (9th

> > from

> > > > Moon)and Mars (lagna lord) is aspecting Rahu

> from the 11th

> house

> > from

> > > > Lagna. (June 14, 1967, Bombay, 5.29 pm).

> > > >

> > > > Now, per Rath's dictum this Mars will destroy

> Rahu with its 8th

> > house

> > > > (astakshari) aspect. However, there is one

> more dictum in

> > classics

> > > > which says that a planet aspecting its own

> rashi makes the rashi

> > > > stronger.

> > > >

> > > > In my chart, Mars is aspecting Aries his own

> rashi so per the

> > dictum

> > > > it will make Aries stronger; however, I'm

> confused as to wheter

> > it

> > > > will make Rahu stronger as well or will Rath's

> dictum still be

> > true

> > > > and Mars will destroy Rahu despite being

> placed in Mar's rashi

> > Aries.

> > > >

> > > > I'd apprecite if the Gurus and learned members

> throw some light

> > on

> > > > this situation. Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > Mukund

> > > >

> > > >

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