Guest guest Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Dear All We are very suprised by the election results as all learned Gurus predicted vistory for BJP and most respected beloved statesman Honorable Vajpayee We sincrely think that his LAGNA should be Libra instead of Scorpio to expalin malefic nature of Jupiter for Libra LAGNA We would sincerly appreciate a detailed discussion by our learned members Have a wonderful Day PUNEET AHUJA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Dear Puneet, I agree on this since Saturn which is the yogakaraka for Vajpayee was in 8th house when he got into power and there were many problems. 9th Saturn was bit fine for him while transing through Gemini. Even while transiting through the 7th it did not give very good results but given stature to Vajpayee who became a clout for BJP. Rahu in 7th in the house of Mars created problems in forming right kind of alliances. Jupiter in the house of gains in Leo was under pressure from both Saturn and Rahu also retrograde. Venus and Mercury were no well positioned during the elections. The above are my logical points since the Dasa sequence also goes against him by this way. With best regards, Prakash Kandpal vedic astrology, "PUNEET AHUJA" <punsoft2007> wrote: > Dear All > We are very suprised by the election results as all learned Gurus > predicted vistory for BJP and most respected beloved statesman > Honorable Vajpayee > > We sincrely think that his LAGNA should be Libra instead of Scorpio > to expalin malefic nature of Jupiter for Libra LAGNA > > We would sincerly appreciate a detailed discussion by our learned > members > > > Have a wonderful Day > > PUNEET AHUJA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 ::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: Dear Puneet The lagna is Scorpio for both vajpayee and Advani and both are under Kantaka sani...I underestimated Sani and am more serious now about this. Moola dasa of both vajpayee and Advani changed in 2003. ..more later. You can check this out yourself...I was blinded by a Maharaja yoga and forgot to check past karma although this is exactly what I saw in the Edison workshop. Do we have the CD's ready for these workshops? Vajpayee ji's Moola dasa Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma): Maha Dasas: Ket: 1926-12-25 (5:00:00) - 1931-12-25 (11:41:53) Ven: 1931-12-25 (11:41:53) - 1941-12-25 (1:10:43) Sun: 1941-12-25 (1:10:43) - 1943-12-25 (13:30:46) Rah: 1943-12-25 (13:30:46) - 1952-12-24 (20:53:33) Mars: 1952-12-24 (20:53:33) - 1957-12-25 (3:35:56) Merc: 1957-12-25 (3:35:56) - 1964-12-24 (22:46:32) Sat: 1964-12-24 (22:46:32) - 1980-12-25 (1:11:27) Jup: 1980-12-25 (1:11:27) - 1986-12-25 (14:17:40) Moon: 1986-12-25 (14:17:40) - 1987-12-25 (20:21:46) Ket: 1987-12-25 (20:21:46) - 1989-12-25 (8:41:59) Ven: 1989-12-25 (8:41:59) - 1999-12-25 (22:13:59) Sun: 1999-12-25 (22:13:59) - 2003-12-25 (22:49:35) Rah: 2003-12-25 (22:49:35) - 2012-12-25 (6:08:46) Mars: 2012-12-25 (6:08:46) - 2014-12-25 (18:33:13) Merc: 2014-12-25 (18:33:13) - 2024-12-25 (8:07:56) Sat: 2024-12-25 (8:07:56) - 2027-12-26 (2:33:11) Jup: 2027-12-26 (2:33:11) - 2037-12-25 (16:07:40) Moon: 2037-12-25 (16:07:40) - 2046-12-25 (23:35:11) Advani ji's Moola dasa Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma): Maha Dasas: Merc: 1927-11-08 (9:13:00) - 1933-11-07 (22:10:05) Mars: 1933-11-07 (22:10:05) - 1934-11-08 (4:15:31) Sun: 1934-11-08 (4:15:31) - 1937-11-07 (22:44:49) Moon: 1937-11-07 (22:44:49) - 1946-11-08 (6:04:02) Ket: 1946-11-08 (6:04:02) - 1951-11-08 (12:52:56) Sat: 1951-11-08 (12:52:56) - 1967-11-08 (15:18:13) Rah: 1967-11-08 (15:18:13) - 1976-11-07 (22:46:47) Jup: 1976-11-07 (22:46:47) - 1983-11-08 (17:49:43) Ven: 1983-11-08 (17:49:43) - 2003-11-08 (20:53:36) Merc: 2003-11-08 (20:53:36) - 2014-11-08 (16:35:02) Mars: 2014-11-08 (16:35:02) - 2020-11-08 (5:33:03) Sun: 2020-11-08 (5:33:03) - 2023-11-08 (23:58:29) Moon: 2023-11-08 (23:58:29) - 2024-11-08 (6:05:17) Ket: 2024-11-08 (6:05:17) - 2026-11-08 (18:21:28) Sat: 2026-11-08 (18:21:28) - 2029-11-08 (12:48:53) Rah: 2029-11-08 (12:48:53) - 2038-11-08 (20:11:03) Jup: 2038-11-08 (20:11:03) - 2047-11-09 (3:41:06) Ven: 2047-11-09 (3:41:06) - 2047-11-09 (3:41:06) The rest is for you to decipher and understand..karma is karma. With best regards, Sanjay Rath - Address: SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com Editor, Jyotish Digest srath (AT) srath (DOT) com Astrological services: vedicreading (AT) srath (DOT) com PUNEET AHUJA [punsoft2007 ] Friday, May 14, 2004 9:52 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE Dear AllWe are very suprised by the election results as all learned Gurus predicted vistory for BJP and most respected beloved statesman Honorable VajpayeeWe sincrely think that his LAGNA should be Libra instead of Scorpioto expalin malefic nature of Jupiter for Libra LAGNAWe would sincerly appreciate a detailed discussion by our learned membersHave a wonderful DayPUNEET AHUJA Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2004 Report Share Posted June 26, 2004 ::om namo bhagavate vāsudevāya::Dear Chandrasekhar ji Thank you for this but I do not believe it to be correct. He would have been happily married. The Arudha Lagna and Upapada are in the same sign in Sagittarius. Secondly, Brahma Muhurta is defined as the last Muhurta of the day i.e. one Muhurta before sunrise when the Savitur gayatri is very powerful. In Gwalior, sunrise occured at 7.02 am on 25 Dec 1924. So Brahma Muhurta is from 6.38 am to 7.02 am. In any case Scorpio lagna rises after 4.04 am and is well within the Brahma muhurta definition (any way you look at it). One senior politician I know preferred this Scorpio lagna and 1924 date. Now it seems to be more convincing. Venus in lagna gives Kavya and he is a good poet. I am gradually seeing his view point. Try Vrischika lagna for 1924. You will find A7 in Aquarius (4th house of servants or step mothers or mother or persoanl assistants) aspected by exalted Saturn (servant/PA). Either way transit Saturn in Cancer is not going to be good for his health. I am surprised that he has gone back on his word for not standing for elections again and retiring from politics. He had explicitly stated so in 2000 and again in 2001. Moha can be a cause for great pain. Try this data Vajpayee AB 002 December 25, 1924Time: 4:45:53 amTime Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 78 E 10' 00", 26 N 13' 00" Gwalior, India With best regards,Sanjay RathPS: I am coming to Nagpur for a day on 9 July. Hope to see you in the evening. SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, IndiaTel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com - Chandrashekhar Sanjay Rath Sunday, June 27, 2004 12:49 AM Re: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE Dear Sanjay,If I remember right you are using 1926 as the year of birth of Atalji. BJP website mentions it as 1924.He is said to have been born on Brahma Muhurta (confirmed from one of my BJP friend). Now if you take Brahma muhurta as 3.30 you will find Libra rising and the planetary position I had mentioned at Puri. Will you check this up? I am not posting this to list as much controversy is unnecessarily generated.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Sanjay Rath wrote:> > > /*::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya::*/> Dear Puneet> The lagna is Scorpio for both vajpayee and Advani and both are under > Kantaka sani...I underestimated Sani and am more serious now about > this. Moola dasa of both vajpayee and Advani changed in 2003. ..more > later. You can check this out yourself...I was blinded by a Maharaja > yoga and forgot to check past karma although this is exactly what I > saw in the Edison workshop. Do we have the CD's ready for these workshops?> > _Vajpayee ji's Moola dasa_> Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma):> > Maha Dasas:> > Ket: 1926-12-25 (5:00:00) - 1931-12-25 (11:41:53)> Ven: 1931-12-25 (11:41:53) - 1941-12-25 (1:10:43)> Sun: 1941-12-25 (1:10:43) - 1943-12-25 (13:30:46)> Rah: 1943-12-25 (13:30:46) - 1952-12-24 (20:53:33)> Mars: 1952-12-24 (20:53:33) - 1957-12-25 (3:35:56)> Merc: 1957-12-25 (3:35:56) - 1964-12-24 (22:46:32)> Sat: 1964-12-24 (22:46:32) - 1980-12-25 (1:11:27)> Jup: 1980-12-25 (1:11:27) - 1986-12-25 (14:17:40)> Moon: 1986-12-25 (14:17:40) - 1987-12-25 (20:21:46)> Ket: 1987-12-25 (20:21:46) - 1989-12-25 (8:41:59)> Ven: 1989-12-25 (8:41:59) - 1999-12-25 (22:13:59)> Sun: 1999-12-25 (22:13:59) - 2003-12-25 (22:49:35)> * Rah: 2003-12-25 (22:49:35) - 2012-12-25 (6:08:46)> * Mars: 2012-12-25 (6:08:46) - 2014-12-25 (18:33:13)> Merc: 2014-12-25 (18:33:13) - 2024-12-25 (8:07:56)> Sat: 2024-12-25 (8:07:56) - 2027-12-26 (2:33:11)> Jup: 2027-12-26 (2:33:11) - 2037-12-25 (16:07:40)> Moon: 2037-12-25 (16:07:40) - 2046-12-25 (23:35:11)> > _Advani ji's Moola dasa_> Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma):> > Maha Dasas:> > Merc: 1927-11-08 (9:13:00) - 1933-11-07 (22:10:05)> Mars: 1933-11-07 (22:10:05) - 1934-11-08 (4:15:31)> Sun: 1934-11-08 (4:15:31) - 1937-11-07 (22:44:49)> Moon: 1937-11-07 (22:44:49) - 1946-11-08 (6:04:02)> Ket: 1946-11-08 (6:04:02) - 1951-11-08 (12:52:56)> Sat: 1951-11-08 (12:52:56) - 1967-11-08 (15:18:13)> Rah: 1967-11-08 (15:18:13) - 1976-11-07 (22:46:47)> Jup: 1976-11-07 (22:46:47) - 1983-11-08 (17:49:43)> Ven: 1983-11-08 (17:49:43) - 2003-11-08 (20:53:36)> * Merc: 2003-11-08 (20:53:36) - 2014-11-08 (16:35:02)> * Mars: 2014-11-08 (16:35:02) - 2020-11-08 (5:33:03)> Sun: 2020-11-08 (5:33:03) - 2023-11-08 (23:58:29)> Moon: 2023-11-08 (23:58:29) - 2024-11-08 (6:05:17)> Ket: 2024-11-08 (6:05:17) - 2026-11-08 (18:21:28)> Sat: 2026-11-08 (18:21:28) - 2029-11-08 (12:48:53)> Rah: 2029-11-08 (12:48:53) - 2038-11-08 (20:11:03)> Jup: 2038-11-08 (20:11:03) - 2047-11-09 (3:41:06)> Ven: 2047-11-09 (3:41:06) - 2047-11-09 (3:41:06)> > The rest is for you to decipher and understand..karma is karma.> > With best regards,> Sanjay Rath> -> Address: SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India> Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com <http://srath.com/>> Editor, Jyotish Digest srath (AT) srath (DOT) com <srath (AT) srath (DOT) com>> Astrological services: vedicreading (AT) srath (DOT) com > <vedicreading (AT) srath (DOT) com>> > >> ------> ** PUNEET AHUJA [punsoft2007 ]> *Sent:* Friday, May 14, 2004 9:52 AM> *To:* vedic astrology> *Subject:* [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE>> Dear All> We are very suprised by the election results as all learned Gurus> predicted vistory for BJP and most respected beloved statesman> Honorable Vajpayee>> We sincrely think that his LAGNA should be Libra instead of Scorpio> to expalin malefic nature of Jupiter for Libra LAGNA>> We would sincerly appreciate a detailed discussion by our learned> members>>> Have a wonderful Day>> PUNEET AHUJA >>>>> Archives: vedic astrology>> Group info: vedic astrology/info.html>> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology->> ....... 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Guest guest Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 Dear Sanjay, I see your view point. Shankaracharya too says tat Brahma Muhurta is 5 nadikas before Sunrise and though it could mean about 2 Hours before Sun rise, still the lagna would remain Vrishchika. Of course we do not know whether Ataljee's father said 25th December per English calendar (24.00hrs0 or Sunrise to Sunrise day counted by Hindus. But the reason I said 3.30 is that people not well versed in astrology (We do not know whether Ataljee's father was or not) used to believe Brahma Muhurta to be 3.30 a.m. The reference to Brahma muhurta is from a book that Ataljee himself wrote, if my memory is correct. In so far as marriage, Exalted Saturn aspecting his own neecha sthana could also deny marriage. Especially when Lord of the 7th gets in 6th and Karaka of 7th house associate Mandi in Maraka sthana.Again in case of Upapada lagna Ketu being second from it and Sun occupying it perhaps Upadesha Sutra's Sutra 2 Pada4 of Adhyaaya 1 "Tatra papasya papayoge pravrajya daranasova" would apply and make him a Pravrajya dharaka. He was a Pracharaka for RSS and therefore he never married. Classic Shasha yoga can make one King of a Nation. His changing of statement also appears to be more in line with Moon in Vacha sthana. He also has a habit of speaking with a lot of stops and Venus being kavi he is a poet. Rahu in 10th also is in line with his knee problems. He also became P.M. when saturn was Neecha and retrograde and in kendra for Libra Asc. I do not intend to dispute you but am giving the reasons that I believe 3.30 chart with Libra rising may not be incorrect, on the basis of not being married and being a Poet only. With Scorpio rising neither Sun not Saturn are very strong and then becoming prime minister of a country could be a bit difficult as Lagna would be in Papakartari. I am still trying to get the correct birth time from Ataljee himself and if I succeed I will let you know. We will certainly meet on 9th evening in Nagpur. Where will you be staying? My phone number is 3122248. In case you forget it you could ask Pankaj Chande The V>C> with whom I presume you will be meeting at Nagpur. With warm regards, Chandrashekhar. Sanjay Rath wrote: > ::om namo bhagavate va-sudeva-ya:: > Dear Chandrasekhar ji > Thank you for this but I do not believe it to be correct. He would > have been happily married. The Arudha Lagna and Upapada are in the > same sign in Sagittarius. > Secondly, Brahma Muhurta is defined as the last Muhurta of the day > i.e. one Muhurta before sunrise when the Savitur gayatri is very > powerful. In Gwalior, sunrise occured at 7.02 am on 25 Dec 1924. So > Brahma Muhurta is from 6.38 am to 7.02 am. In any case Scorpio lagna > rises after 4.04 am and is well within the Brahma muhurta definition > (any way you look at it). One senior politician I know preferred this > Scorpio lagna and 1924 date. Now it seems to be more convincing. Venus > in lagna gives Kavya and he is a good poet. I am gradually seeing his > view point. > Try Vrischika lagna for 1924. You will find A7 in Aquarius (4th house > of servants or step mothers or mother or persoanl assistants) aspected > by exalted Saturn (servant/PA). > Either way transit Saturn in Cancer is not going to be good for his > health. I am surprised that he has gone back on his word for not > standing for elections again and retiring from politics. He had > explicitly stated so in 2000 and again in 2001. Moha can be a cause > for great pain. > Try this data > Vajpayee AB 002 > December 25, 1924 > Time: 4:45:53 am > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 78 E 10' 00", 26 N 13' 00" > Gwalior, India > > With best regards, > Sanjay Rath > PS: I am coming to Nagpur for a day on 9 July. Hope to see you in the > evening. > SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India > Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com > - > ** Chandrashekhar <boxdel > *To:* Sanjay Rath <guruji > *Sent:* Sunday, June 27, 2004 12:49 AM > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE > > Dear Sanjay, > If I remember right you are using 1926 as the year of birth of Atalji. > BJP website mentions it as 1924.He is said to have been born on Brahma > Muhurta (confirmed from one of my BJP friend). Now if you take Brahma > muhurta as 3.30 you will find Libra rising and the planetary position I > had mentioned at Puri. Will you check this up? I am not posting this to > list as much controversy is unnecessarily generated. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Sanjay Rath wrote: > > > > > > > /*::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya::*/ > > Dear Puneet > > The lagna is Scorpio for both vajpayee and Advani and both are under > > Kantaka sani...I underestimated Sani and am more serious now about > > this. Moola dasa of both vajpayee and Advani changed in 2003. ..more > > later. You can check this out yourself...I was blinded by a Maharaja > > yoga and forgot to check past karma although this is exactly what I > > saw in the Edison workshop. Do we have the CD's ready for these > workshops? > > > > _Vajpayee ji's Moola dasa_ > > Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma): > > > > Maha Dasas: > > > > Ket: 1926-12-25 (5:00:00) - 1931-12-25 (11:41:53) > > Ven: 1931-12-25 (11:41:53) - 1941-12-25 (1:10:43) > > Sun: 1941-12-25 (1:10:43) - 1943-12-25 (13:30:46) > > Rah: 1943-12-25 (13:30:46) - 1952-12-24 (20:53:33) > > Mars: 1952-12-24 (20:53:33) - 1957-12-25 (3:35:56) > > Merc: 1957-12-25 (3:35:56) - 1964-12-24 (22:46:32) > > Sat: 1964-12-24 (22:46:32) - 1980-12-25 (1:11:27) > > Jup: 1980-12-25 (1:11:27) - 1986-12-25 (14:17:40) > > Moon: 1986-12-25 (14:17:40) - 1987-12-25 (20:21:46) > > Ket: 1987-12-25 (20:21:46) - 1989-12-25 (8:41:59) > > Ven: 1989-12-25 (8:41:59) - 1999-12-25 (22:13:59) > > Sun: 1999-12-25 (22:13:59) - 2003-12-25 (22:49:35) > > * Rah: 2003-12-25 (22:49:35) - 2012-12-25 (6:08:46) > > * Mars: 2012-12-25 (6:08:46) - 2014-12-25 (18:33:13) > > Merc: 2014-12-25 (18:33:13) - 2024-12-25 (8:07:56) > > Sat: 2024-12-25 (8:07:56) - 2027-12-26 (2:33:11) > > Jup: 2027-12-26 (2:33:11) - 2037-12-25 (16:07:40) > > Moon: 2037-12-25 (16:07:40) - 2046-12-25 (23:35:11) > > > > _Advani ji's Moola dasa_ > > Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma): > > > > Maha Dasas: > > > > Merc: 1927-11-08 (9:13:00) - 1933-11-07 (22:10:05) > > Mars: 1933-11-07 (22:10:05) - 1934-11-08 (4:15:31) > > Sun: 1934-11-08 (4:15:31) - 1937-11-07 (22:44:49) > > Moon: 1937-11-07 (22:44:49) - 1946-11-08 (6:04:02) > > Ket: 1946-11-08 (6:04:02) - 1951-11-08 (12:52:56) > > Sat: 1951-11-08 (12:52:56) - 1967-11-08 (15:18:13) > > Rah: 1967-11-08 (15:18:13) - 1976-11-07 (22:46:47) > > Jup: 1976-11-07 (22:46:47) - 1983-11-08 (17:49:43) > > Ven: 1983-11-08 (17:49:43) - 2003-11-08 (20:53:36) > > * Merc: 2003-11-08 (20:53:36) - 2014-11-08 (16:35:02) > > * Mars: 2014-11-08 (16:35:02) - 2020-11-08 (5:33:03) > > Sun: 2020-11-08 (5:33:03) - 2023-11-08 (23:58:29) > > Moon: 2023-11-08 (23:58:29) - 2024-11-08 (6:05:17) > > Ket: 2024-11-08 (6:05:17) - 2026-11-08 (18:21:28) > > Sat: 2026-11-08 (18:21:28) - 2029-11-08 (12:48:53) > > Rah: 2029-11-08 (12:48:53) - 2038-11-08 (20:11:03) > > Jup: 2038-11-08 (20:11:03) - 2047-11-09 (3:41:06) > > Ven: 2047-11-09 (3:41:06) - 2047-11-09 (3:41:06) > > > > The rest is for you to decipher and understand..karma is karma. > > > > With best regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > > - > > Address: SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India > > Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> > > Editor, Jyotish Digest srath <srath > <srath > > Astrological services: vedicreading > <vedicreading > > <vedicreading > > > > > > > > ------ > > ** PUNEET AHUJA [punsoft2007] > > *Sent:* Friday, May 14, 2004 9:52 AM > > *To:* vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> > > *Subject:* [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE > > > > Dear All > > We are very suprised by the election results as all learned Gurus > > predicted vistory for BJP and most respected beloved statesman > > Honorable Vajpayee > > > > We sincrely think that his LAGNA should be Libra instead of Scorpio > > to expalin malefic nature of Jupiter for Libra LAGNA > > > > We would sincerly appreciate a detailed discussion by our learned > > members > > > > > > Have a wonderful Day > > > > PUNEET AHUJA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > <vedic astrology-> > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 ::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: Dear Chandrasekhar ji Namaste. comments are given under appropriate paras of your mail - - "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel "Sanjay Rath" <guruji Cc: "Vedic-Astrology" <vedic astrology> Monday, June 28, 2004 2:11 AM Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE Dear Sanjay, I see your view point. Shankaracharya too says tat Brahma Muhurta is 5 nadikas before Sunrise and though it could mean about 2 Hours before Sun rise, still the lagna would remain Vrishchika. Of course we do not know whether Ataljee's father said 25th December per English calendar (24.00hrs0 or Sunrise to Sunrise day counted by Hindus. But the reason I said 3.30 is that people not well versed in astrology (We do not know whether Ataljee's father was or not) used to believe Brahma Muhurta to be 3.30 a.m. The reference to Brahma muhurta is from a book that Ataljee himself wrote, if my memory is correct. Rath: I agree we should consider all possibilities but in the older days people were very clear about Brahma Muhurta being the moment before sunrise. It is only in the post-independance era that people seem to have forgotten everything and are using these terminology so loosely. The chart I am using now is based on the possible date of 25 Dec 1924 (english calendar - just as you said) and not anything else. I wonder if people in those days used the english calendar as this is a very recent addition in Orissa panchanga and culture - around 1930's only. However the date used as per the Vedic calendar will be the night of 24 Dec. So in this matter we both have the same opinion. The difference is only in the understanding of Brahma muhurta. Vajpayee AB 002 Natal Chart December 25, 1924 Time: 4:45:53 am Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 78 E 10' 00", 26 N 13' 00" Gwalior, India Lunar Yr-Mo: Raktaaksha - Margasira Tithi: Krishna Chaturdasi (Ve) (41.28% left) Vedic Weekday: Wednesday (Me) Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (51.33% left) Yoga: Ganda (Sa) Karana: Sakuna (Ma) Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Aq) Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sg) Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Moon) Sunrise: 7:02:27 am (December 24) Sunset: 5:31:27 pm (December 24) Janma Ghatis: 54.3092 Ayanamsa: 22-48-21.92 Sidereal Time: 10:41:20 In so far as marriage, Exalted Saturn aspecting his own neecha sthana could also deny marriage. Especially when Lord of the 7th gets in 6th and Karaka of 7th house associate Mandi in Maraka sthana.Again in case of Upapada lagna Ketu being second from it and Sun occupying it perhaps Upadesha Sutra's Sutra 2 Pada4 of Adhyaaya 1 "Tatra papasya papayoge pravrajya daranasova" would apply and make him a Pravrajya dharaka. He was a Pracharaka for RSS and therefore he never married. Rath: Your point is very good but is not sufficient to deny marriage. Sailesh Chadha and so many people are there in this list with Saturn in Lagna in exaltation and they are happily married. In fact both Sailesh and his wife have this Mahapurusha yoga of Saturn in exaltation in lagna! Seventh lord in the 6th house does not deny marriage - in fact it will surely give marriage but with one who is like a servant, a domestic help or an assistant or subordinate. As regards the Upapada, this is true also for Vrischika lagna where the Upapada is also in dhanus rasi and has Ketu in 2nd house. Given the planetary positions, it cannot deny marriage but will surely cause separation of some kind with spouse. With Saturn exalted the Separation cannot be permanent and some kind of temporary separation and then re-union and then separation and so on continues to occur. ketu separates and then Sani brings them together. but then, he is not married at all or is there a secret marriage? with 8th lord Mercury conjoining the Upapada and the 7th lord in a secret sign like scorpio, this cannot be ruled out. --- Classic Shasha yoga can make one King of a Nation. His changing of statement also appears to be more in line with Moon in Vacha sthana. He also has a habit of speaking with a lot of stops and Venus being kavi he is a poet. Rahu in 10th also is in line with his knee problems. He also became P.M. when saturn was Neecha and retrograde and in kendra for Libra Asc. I do not intend to dispute you but am giving the reasons that I believe 3.30 chart with Libra rising may not be incorrect, on the basis of not being married and being a Poet only. Rath: Prabhu chandrasekhar ji. I have no doubt about your sincerity with Jyotish and it is necessaary to give your points else the discussion is meaningless. So thank you for this enlightening discussion. While considering the Tula lagna I had overlooked some points and these come forth as you point them out, so this is very good. Vascillation is caused by a weakness of the 10th lord or house. The mouth only speaks what the man decides. That is why Jaimini teaches that the tenth house is the 'dharma bhava' for the second house. If eyes are in the second house then the dharma of those eyes - sight is in the tenth house. if speech is in the second house then the dharma of that speech is in the tenth house. Using Vrischika lagna, here the second house has the 8th lord Mercury in it that not only afflicts the second house but also afflicts the 10th lord Sun and 2nd lord Jupiter. On the one hand the great SIMHASANA YOGA caused by 10th lord in 2nd house with the 2nd lord shall fructify during Mercury period while on the other hand he is seen as one who gives false promises and hopes. As regards transits, Saturn in the 6th from lagna and Moon are better for becoming PM than Saturn in 7th from lagna. In any case his cannot be the final deciding factor. With Tula lagna the arudha lagna and Upapada are both in Sagittarius and hence he would surely have married but with Vrischika lagna the arudha lagna is with Rahu in Cancer and Upapada is in sagittarius in 6th house from it. this is not good for marriage. Generally with Saturn exalted in Tula lagna, Knee problems are unlikely but the 10th house Rahu can give it. Ketu in makara can also give it since the eighth lord has conjoined the 10th lord. ---------- --- With Scorpio rising neither Sun not Saturn are very strong and then becoming prime minister of a country could be a bit difficult as Lagna would be in Papakartari. I am still trying to get the correct birth time from Ataljee himself and if I succeed I will let you know. Rath: Chandrasekhar ji, the 4th lord Saturn is involved in a Rajayoga by being in the 12th house in exaltation (VRY for 3rd house). The 10th lord sun is involved in one of the biggest Rajayogas - the SIMHASANA yoga caused by 10th lord in 2nd with 2nd lord. Indira Gandhi had a similar kind of Yoga with 10th lord in 2nd and having exchange with Sun and 5th house. Jawaharlal Nehru also had 10th lord in 2nd as part of the malika yoga. the tenth lorde in 1st or 2nd house is a blessing of Vishnu (who rules the abhijit muhurta occuring at midday/tenth house) and is the Simhasana yoga. Such a person has Rajatilaka associated with Vishnu. At lease in the case of Vajpayee we know that the first thing he did as PM was to inaugurate a Krishna temple - see the tenth lord in Sagittarius with Jupiter. Sun & Jup combination is also temples. See the chart of Sri Prabhupada with the Sun & Jupiter in Leo. Incidentally the temple belongs to ISKON started by Sri Prabhupada. Looking forward to your input on this. ------ We will certainly meet on 9th evening in Nagpur. Where will you be staying? My phone number is 3122248. In case you forget it you could ask Pankaj Chande The V>C> with whom I presume you will be meeting at Nagpur. With warm regards, Chandrashekhar. Rath: I will call you as soon as I am there. With best regards, Sanjay Rath SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || Namaste Sanjay ji & Chandrasekhar ji, May I add my personal inputs on some points raised in this discussion? > Rath: Your point is very good but is not sufficient to deny marriage.> Sailesh Chadha and so many people are there in this list with Saturn in> Lagna in exaltation and they are happily married. In fact both Sailesh and> his wife have this Mahapurusha yoga of Saturn in exaltation in lagna!> Seventh lord in the 6th house does not deny marriage - in fact it will> surely give marriage but with one who is like a servant, a domestic help or> an assistant or subordinate.My wife has this combination also in her chart - 7L Mars in 6H!!!! What does that make me ???? :-( > Rath: Prabhu chandrasekhar ji. .........................................................> Generally with Saturn exalted in Tula lagna, Knee problems are unlikely but> the 10th house Rahu can give it. Ketu in makara can also give it since the> eighth lord has conjoined the 10th lord. I seem to be on the way to this problem. With best regards. Shailesh C Chadha scchadha (AT) hotmail (DOT) com; scc (AT) sindhu (DOT) biz Tel.: [+91 40] (O) 2773 3478; 2773 7605(TeleFax); ® 2773 7779; 3090 2344; (M) 924 653 4837 - "Sanjay Rath" <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> "Vedic-Astrology" <vedic astrology>; "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Monday, June 28, 2004 9:53 AM Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE > > ::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya::> Dear Chandrasekhar ji> Namaste.> comments are given under appropriate paras of your mail -> > ----- Original Message ----- > "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> "Sanjay Rath" <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com>> Cc: "Vedic-Astrology" <vedic astrology>> Monday, June 28, 2004 2:11 AM> Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE> > > Dear Sanjay,> I see your view point. Shankaracharya too says tat Brahma Muhurta is 5> nadikas before Sunrise and though it could mean about 2 Hours before Sun> rise, still the lagna would remain Vrishchika. Of course we do not know> whether Ataljee's father said 25th December per English calendar> (24.00hrs0 or Sunrise to Sunrise day counted by Hindus. But the reason I> said 3.30 is that people not well versed in astrology (We do not know> whether Ataljee's father was or not) used to believe Brahma Muhurta to> be 3.30 a.m. The reference to Brahma muhurta is from a book that Ataljee> himself wrote, if my memory is correct.> > Rath: I agree we should consider all possibilities but in the older days> people were very clear about Brahma Muhurta being the moment before sunrise.> It is only in the post-independance era that people seem to have forgotten> everything and are using these terminology so loosely. The chart I am using> now is based on the possible date of 25 Dec 1924 (english calendar - just as> you said) and not anything else. I wonder if people in those days used the> english calendar as this is a very recent addition in Orissa panchanga and> culture - around 1930's only. However the date used as per the Vedic> calendar will be the night of 24 Dec. So in this matter we both have the> same opinion. The difference is only in the understanding of Brahma muhurta.> Vajpayee AB 002> Natal Chart> December 25, 1924> Time: 4:45:53 am> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 78 E 10' 00", 26 N 13' 00"> Gwalior, India> Lunar Yr-Mo: Raktaaksha - Margasira> Tithi: Krishna Chaturdasi (Ve) (41.28% left)> Vedic Weekday: Wednesday (Me)> Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (51.33% left)> Yoga: Ganda (Sa)> Karana: Sakuna (Ma)> Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Aq)> Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sg)> Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Moon)> > Sunrise: 7:02:27 am (December 24)> Sunset: 5:31:27 pm (December 24)> Janma Ghatis: 54.3092> > Ayanamsa: 22-48-21.92> Sidereal Time: 10:41:20> > In so far as marriage, Exalted Saturn aspecting his own neecha sthana> could also deny marriage. Especially when Lord of the 7th gets in 6th> and Karaka of 7th house associate Mandi in Maraka sthana.Again in case> of Upapada lagna Ketu being second from it and Sun occupying it perhaps> Upadesha Sutra's Sutra 2 Pada4 of Adhyaaya 1 "Tatra papasya papayoge> pravrajya daranasova" would apply and make him a Pravrajya dharaka. He> was a Pracharaka for RSS and therefore he never married.> > Rath: Your point is very good but is not sufficient to deny marriage.> Sailesh Chadha and so many people are there in this list with Saturn in> Lagna in exaltation and they are happily married. In fact both Sailesh and> his wife have this Mahapurusha yoga of Saturn in exaltation in lagna!> Seventh lord in the 6th house does not deny marriage - in fact it will> surely give marriage but with one who is like a servant, a domestic help or> an assistant or subordinate.> > As regards the Upapada, this is true also for Vrischika lagna where the> Upapada is also in dhanus rasi and has Ketu in 2nd house. Given the> planetary positions, it cannot deny marriage but will surely cause> separation of some kind with spouse. With Saturn exalted the Separation> cannot be permanent and some kind of temporary separation and then re-union> and then separation and so on continues to occur. ketu separates and then> Sani brings them together. but then, he is not married at all or is there a> secret marriage? with 8th lord Mercury conjoining the Upapada and the 7th> lord in a secret sign like scorpio, this cannot be ruled out.> ---> Classic Shasha yoga can make one King of a Nation. His changing of> statement also appears to be more in line with Moon in Vacha sthana. He> also has a habit of speaking with a lot of stops and Venus being kavi he> is a poet. Rahu in 10th also is in line with his knee problems. He also> became P.M. when saturn was Neecha and retrograde and in kendra for> Libra Asc.> I do not intend to dispute you but am giving the reasons that I believe> 3.30 chart with Libra rising may not be incorrect, on the basis of not> being married and being a Poet only.> > Rath: Prabhu chandrasekhar ji. I have no doubt about your sincerity with> Jyotish and it is necessaary to give your points else the discussion is> meaningless. So thank you for this enlightening discussion. While> considering the Tula lagna I had overlooked some points and these come forth> as you point them out, so this is very good.> > Vascillation is caused by a weakness of the 10th lord or house. The mouth> only speaks what the man decides. That is why Jaimini teaches that the tenth> house is the 'dharma bhava' for the second house. If eyes are in the second> house then the dharma of those eyes - sight is in the tenth house. if speech> is in the second house then the dharma of that speech is in the tenth house.> Using Vrischika lagna, here the second house has the 8th lord Mercury in it> that not only afflicts the second house but also afflicts the 10th lord Sun> and 2nd lord Jupiter. On the one hand the great SIMHASANA YOGA caused by> 10th lord in 2nd house with the 2nd lord shall fructify during Mercury> period while on the other hand he is seen as one who gives false promises> and hopes.> > As regards transits, Saturn in the 6th from lagna and Moon are better for> becoming PM than Saturn in 7th from lagna. In any case his cannot be the> final deciding factor. With Tula lagna the arudha lagna and Upapada are both> in Sagittarius and hence he would surely have married but with Vrischika> lagna the arudha lagna is with Rahu in Cancer and Upapada is in sagittarius> in 6th house from it. this is not good for marriage.> > Generally with Saturn exalted in Tula lagna, Knee problems are unlikely but> the 10th house Rahu can give it. Ketu in makara can also give it since the> eighth lord has conjoined the 10th lord.> ----------> ---> With Scorpio rising neither Sun not Saturn are very strong and then> becoming prime minister of a country could be a bit difficult as Lagna> would be in Papakartari.> I am still trying to get the correct birth time from Ataljee himself and> if I succeed I will let you know.> > Rath: Chandrasekhar ji, the 4th lord Saturn is involved in a Rajayoga by> being in the 12th house in exaltation (VRY for 3rd house). The 10th lord sun> is involved in one of the biggest Rajayogas - the SIMHASANA yoga caused by> 10th lord in 2nd with 2nd lord. Indira Gandhi had a similar kind of Yoga> with 10th lord in 2nd and having exchange with Sun and 5th house. Jawaharlal> Nehru also had 10th lord in 2nd as part of the malika yoga. the tenth lorde> in 1st or 2nd house is a blessing of Vishnu (who rules the abhijit muhurta> occuring at midday/tenth house) and is the Simhasana yoga. Such a person has> Rajatilaka associated with Vishnu. At lease in the case of Vajpayee we know> that the first thing he did as PM was to inaugurate a Krishna temple - see> the tenth lord in Sagittarius with Jupiter. Sun & Jup combination is also> temples. See the chart of Sri Prabhupada with the Sun & Jupiter in Leo.> Incidentally the temple belongs to ISKON started by Sri Prabhupada.> > Looking forward to your input on this.> ------> We will certainly meet on 9th evening in Nagpur. Where will you be> staying? My phone number is 3122248. In case you forget it you could ask> Pankaj Chande The V>C> with whom I presume you will be meeting at Nagpur.> With warm regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > Rath: I will call you as soon as I am there.> > With best regards,> Sanjay Rath> SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India> Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com> > > > > ------------------------ Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> > Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70> http://us.click./Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/.8XolB/TM> --~-> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > Links> > <*> > vedic astrology/> > <*> To from this group, send an email to:> vedic astrology> > <*> Your > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 ... hamsasso.aham .. Dear Gurudeva & Chandrashekhar, Chandrashekhar: Shankaracharya too says tat Brahma Muhurta is 5 nadikas before Sunrise and though it could mean about 2 Hours before Sun rise. . . Rath: I agree we should consider all possibilities but in the older days people were very clear about Brahma Muhurta being the moment before sunrise. It is only in the post-independance era that people seem to have forgotten everything and are using these terminology so loosely . . . Here is some relevant material: maadhaviiye paraashara: suuryodayaat praagardha prahare dvau muhuurtau tatraadyau braahmaH . dvitiiye raudra .. smrtitibhaaskara: raatrestu pashcime yaame muhuurto braahma uchyate . ajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 Dear Shailesh, Perhaps both of your horoscopes would make interpretation easier. I think they must be horoscope which compliment each other. My other point is proved by what you are saying. I think it is due to accumulation of fluids or lack of then(perhaps the later) since 10th house is cancer, Ruled by Moon. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Shailesh wrote: > *|| **Om** Gurave Namah :: **Om** Namo Naaraayanaaya ||* > > > > Namaste Sanjay ji & Chandrasekhar ji, > > May I add my personal inputs on some points raised in this discussion? > >> Rath: Your point is very good but is not sufficient to deny marriage. >> Sailesh Chadha and so many people are there in this list with Saturn in >> Lagna in exaltation and they are happily married. In fact both > Sailesh and >> his wife have this Mahapurusha yoga of Saturn in exaltation in lagna! >> Seventh lord in the 6th house does not deny marriage - in fact it will >> surely give marriage but with one who is like a servant, a domestic > help or >> an assistant or subordinate. > My wife has this combination also in her chart - 7L Mars in 6H!!!! > > What does that make me ???? *:-(* > >> Rath: Prabhu chandrasekhar ji. > ........................................................ >> Generally with Saturn exalted in Tula lagna, Knee problems are > unlikely but >> the 10th house Rahu can give it. Ketu in makara can also give it > since the >> eighth lord has conjoined the 10th lord. > > I seem to be on the way to this problem. > > With best regards. > > /Shailesh C Chadha/// > > /*scchadha <scchadha; scc > <scc ***/ > > */Tel.: [+91 40] (O) 2773 3478; 2773 7605(TeleFax); ® 2773 > 7779; 3090 2344; (M) 924 653 4837/* > > *//* > > - > "Sanjay Rath" <guruji <guruji> > "Vedic-Astrology" <vedic astrology > <vedic astrology>>; "Chandrashekhar" > <boxdel <boxdel> > Monday, June 28, 2004 9:53 AM > Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE > > > > > ::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: > > Dear Chandrasekhar ji > > Namaste. > > comments are given under appropriate paras of your mail - > > > > - > > "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel <boxdel> > > "Sanjay Rath" <guruji <guruji> > > Cc: "Vedic-Astrology" <vedic astrology > <vedic astrology>> > > Monday, June 28, 2004 2:11 AM > > Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE > > > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > I see your view point. Shankaracharya too says tat Brahma Muhurta is 5 > > nadikas before Sunrise and though it could mean about 2 Hours before Sun > > rise, still the lagna would remain Vrishchika. Of course we do not know > > whether Ataljee's father said 25th December per English calendar > > (24.00hrs0 or Sunrise to Sunrise day counted by Hindus. But the reason I > > said 3.30 is that people not well versed in astrology (We do not know > > whether Ataljee's father was or not) used to believe Brahma Muhurta to > > be 3.30 a.m. The reference to Brahma muhurta is from a book that Ataljee > > himself wrote, if my memory is correct. > > > > Rath: I agree we should consider all possibilities but in the older days > > people were very clear about Brahma Muhurta being the moment before > sunrise. > > It is only in the post-independance era that people seem to have > forgotten > > everything and are using these terminology so loosely. The chart I > am using > > now is based on the possible date of 25 Dec 1924 (english calendar - > just as > > you said) and not anything else. I wonder if people in those days > used the > > english calendar as this is a very recent addition in Orissa > panchanga and > > culture - around 1930's only. However the date used as per the Vedic > > calendar will be the night of 24 Dec. So in this matter we both have the > > same opinion. The difference is only in the understanding of Brahma > muhurta. > > Vajpayee AB 002 > > Natal Chart > > December 25, 1924 > > Time: 4:45:53 am > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 78 E 10' 00", 26 N 13' 00" > > Gwalior, India > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Raktaaksha - Margasira > > Tithi: Krishna Chaturdasi (Ve) (41.28% left) > > Vedic Weekday: Wednesday (Me) > > Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (51.33% left) > > Yoga: Ganda (Sa) > > Karana: Sakuna (Ma) > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Aq) > > Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sg) > > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Moon) > > > > Sunrise: 7:02:27 am (December 24) > > Sunset: 5:31:27 pm (December 24) > > Janma Ghatis: 54.3092 > > > > Ayanamsa: 22-48-21.92 > > Sidereal Time: 10:41:20 > > > > In so far as marriage, Exalted Saturn aspecting his own neecha sthana > > could also deny marriage. Especially when Lord of the 7th gets in 6th > > and Karaka of 7th house associate Mandi in Maraka sthana.Again in case > > of Upapada lagna Ketu being second from it and Sun occupying it perhaps > > Upadesha Sutra's Sutra 2 Pada4 of Adhyaaya 1 "Tatra papasya papayoge > > pravrajya daranasova" would apply and make him a Pravrajya dharaka. He > > was a Pracharaka for RSS and therefore he never married. > > > > Rath: Your point is very good but is not sufficient to deny marriage. > > Sailesh Chadha and so many people are there in this list with Saturn in > > Lagna in exaltation and they are happily married. In fact both > Sailesh and > > his wife have this Mahapurusha yoga of Saturn in exaltation in lagna! > > Seventh lord in the 6th house does not deny marriage - in fact it will > > surely give marriage but with one who is like a servant, a domestic > help or > > an assistant or subordinate. > > > > As regards the Upapada, this is true also for Vrischika lagna where the > > Upapada is also in dhanus rasi and has Ketu in 2nd house. Given the > > planetary positions, it cannot deny marriage but will surely cause > > separation of some kind with spouse. With Saturn exalted the Separation > > cannot be permanent and some kind of temporary separation and then > re-union > > and then separation and so on continues to occur. ketu separates and > then > > Sani brings them together. but then, he is not married at all or is > there a > > secret marriage? with 8th lord Mercury conjoining the Upapada and > the 7th > > lord in a secret sign like scorpio, this cannot be ruled out. > > --- > > Classic Shasha yoga can make one King of a Nation. His changing of > > statement also appears to be more in line with Moon in Vacha sthana. He > > also has a habit of speaking with a lot of stops and Venus being kavi he > > is a poet. Rahu in 10th also is in line with his knee problems. He also > > became P.M. when saturn was Neecha and retrograde and in kendra for > > Libra Asc. > > I do not intend to dispute you but am giving the reasons that I believe > > 3.30 chart with Libra rising may not be incorrect, on the basis of not > > being married and being a Poet only. > > > > Rath: Prabhu chandrasekhar ji. I have no doubt about your sincerity with > > Jyotish and it is necessaary to give your points else the discussion is > > meaningless. So thank you for this enlightening discussion. While > > considering the Tula lagna I had overlooked some points and these > come forth > > as you point them out, so this is very good. > > > > Vascillation is caused by a weakness of the 10th lord or house. The > mouth > > only speaks what the man decides. That is why Jaimini teaches that > the tenth > > house is the 'dharma bhava' for the second house. If eyes are in the > second > > house then the dharma of those eyes - sight is in the tenth house. > if speech > > is in the second house then the dharma of that speech is in the > tenth house. > > Using Vrischika lagna, here the second house has the 8th lord > Mercury in it > > that not only afflicts the second house but also afflicts the 10th > lord Sun > > and 2nd lord Jupiter. On the one hand the great SIMHASANA YOGA caused by > > 10th lord in 2nd house with the 2nd lord shall fructify during Mercury > > period while on the other hand he is seen as one who gives false > promises > > and hopes. > > > > As regards transits, Saturn in the 6th from lagna and Moon are > better for > > becoming PM than Saturn in 7th from lagna. In any case his cannot be the > > final deciding factor. With Tula lagna the arudha lagna and Upapada > are both > > in Sagittarius and hence he would surely have married but with Vrischika > > lagna the arudha lagna is with Rahu in Cancer and Upapada is in > sagittarius > > in 6th house from it. this is not good for marriage. > > > > Generally with Saturn exalted in Tula lagna, Knee problems are > unlikely but > > the 10th house Rahu can give it. Ketu in makara can also give it > since the > > eighth lord has conjoined the 10th lord. > > > ---------- > > --- > > With Scorpio rising neither Sun not Saturn are very strong and then > > becoming prime minister of a country could be a bit difficult as Lagna > > would be in Papakartari. > > I am still trying to get the correct birth time from Ataljee himself and > > if I succeed I will let you know. > > > > Rath: Chandrasekhar ji, the 4th lord Saturn is involved in a Rajayoga by > > being in the 12th house in exaltation (VRY for 3rd house). The 10th > lord sun > > is involved in one of the biggest Rajayogas - the SIMHASANA yoga > caused by > > 10th lord in 2nd with 2nd lord. Indira Gandhi had a similar kind of Yoga > > with 10th lord in 2nd and having exchange with Sun and 5th house. > Jawaharlal > > Nehru also had 10th lord in 2nd as part of the malika yoga. the > tenth lorde > > in 1st or 2nd house is a blessing of Vishnu (who rules the abhijit > muhurta > > occuring at midday/tenth house) and is the Simhasana yoga. Such a > person has > > Rajatilaka associated with Vishnu. At lease in the case of Vajpayee > we know > > that the first thing he did as PM was to inaugurate a Krishna temple > - see > > the tenth lord in Sagittarius with Jupiter. Sun & Jup combination is > also > > temples. See the chart of Sri Prabhupada with the Sun & Jupiter in Leo. > > Incidentally the temple belongs to ISKON started by Sri Prabhupada. > > > > Looking forward to your input on this. > > ------ > > We will certainly meet on 9th evening in Nagpur. Where will you be > > staying? My phone number is 3122248. In case you forget it you could ask > > Pankaj Chande The V>C> with whom I presume you will be meeting at > Nagpur. > > With warm regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Rath: I will call you as soon as I am there. > > > > With best regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India > > Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > <vedic astrology-> > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > Links > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 Dear Sanjay, I was certain you will understand my intent in the post. The chart with Libra rising had appeared in "Tarun Bharat" a Marathi Daily, the unofficial mouthpiece of RSS in Nagpur About his marriage With Libra Lagna besides Saturn's aspect, Rahu is in 10th and as Shailesh's mail suggests he too is getting knee trouble now, with Saturn in lagna in exaltation. Shailesh's ccomment about Lord of the 7th in 8th is also worth observation. In case of Ataljee, Karaka, Lord and Planet aspecting 7th are all creating problems for marriage. I also remember that a long time back there was a lot of controversy when he reportedly said that he is unmarried, when asked whether he was a Brahmachari. Again I was commenting on combinations of all the factor including Pravrajya yoga to indicate that together they could indicate being unmarried and Not merely aspect of Saturn over its place of debilitation. That part also indicates the level of people he can rule ans their (associates) being numerous. Look at the number of parties that had come together to form the NDA. Mars is in 6th and he had one of his kidneys removed if I remember right. So perhaps I am not as far off the Mark regarding that lagna. Jataka Paarijata, if I remember right, mentions the specific yoga when Saturn in debilitation and retrograde in a Kendra can give rise to Rajyoga. The Saturn was retrograde when he became P.M. and occupied Kendra in debilitation. Saturn in Lagna also ties up with late rise in career. The Dasha operating then was Rah-Ven-Sat. About Vacillation his Chandra is bereft of Pakshabala and Lord of Vacha sthana is in 6th. Moon also has a tendency of intermittently lowering and heightening the indications of a Bhava which he occupies and he occupies the 2nd. Regarding Simhasana yoga and the powerful Saturn and Sun for Vrishchika chart, 8th and 11th lord also joins them and if my memory is right, 11th lord joining can harm the indication of the yoga., would not this weaken the yoga? Of course, as you suggest he could have Vrishchika lagna, but even his size would suggest at least Jalachara Rasi in Lagna, would it not? Regards, Chandrashekhar. Sanjay Rath wrote: >::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: >Dear Chandrasekhar ji >Namaste. >comments are given under appropriate paras of your mail - > >- >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel >"Sanjay Rath" <guruji >Cc: "Vedic-Astrology" <vedic astrology> >Monday, June 28, 2004 2:11 AM >Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE > > >Dear Sanjay, >I see your view point. Shankaracharya too says tat Brahma Muhurta is 5 >nadikas before Sunrise and though it could mean about 2 Hours before Sun >rise, still the lagna would remain Vrishchika. Of course we do not know >whether Ataljee's father said 25th December per English calendar >(24.00hrs0 or Sunrise to Sunrise day counted by Hindus. But the reason I >said 3.30 is that people not well versed in astrology (We do not know >whether Ataljee's father was or not) used to believe Brahma Muhurta to >be 3.30 a.m. The reference to Brahma muhurta is from a book that Ataljee >himself wrote, if my memory is correct. > >Rath: I agree we should consider all possibilities but in the older days >people were very clear about Brahma Muhurta being the moment before sunrise. >It is only in the post-independance era that people seem to have forgotten >everything and are using these terminology so loosely. The chart I am using >now is based on the possible date of 25 Dec 1924 (english calendar - just as >you said) and not anything else. I wonder if people in those days used the >english calendar as this is a very recent addition in Orissa panchanga and >culture - around 1930's only. However the date used as per the Vedic >calendar will be the night of 24 Dec. So in this matter we both have the >same opinion. The difference is only in the understanding of Brahma muhurta. >Vajpayee AB 002 >Natal Chart > December 25, 1924 >Time: 4:45:53 am >Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) >Place: 78 E 10' 00", 26 N 13' 00" > Gwalior, India >Lunar Yr-Mo: Raktaaksha - Margasira >Tithi: Krishna Chaturdasi (Ve) (41.28% left) >Vedic Weekday: Wednesday (Me) >Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (51.33% left) >Yoga: Ganda (Sa) >Karana: Sakuna (Ma) >Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Aq) >Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sg) >Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Moon) > >Sunrise: 7:02:27 am (December 24) >Sunset: 5:31:27 pm (December 24) >Janma Ghatis: 54.3092 > >Ayanamsa: 22-48-21.92 >Sidereal Time: 10:41:20 > >In so far as marriage, Exalted Saturn aspecting his own neecha sthana >could also deny marriage. Especially when Lord of the 7th gets in 6th >and Karaka of 7th house associate Mandi in Maraka sthana.Again in case >of Upapada lagna Ketu being second from it and Sun occupying it perhaps >Upadesha Sutra's Sutra 2 Pada4 of Adhyaaya 1 "Tatra papasya papayoge >pravrajya daranasova" would apply and make him a Pravrajya dharaka. He >was a Pracharaka for RSS and therefore he never married. > >Rath: Your point is very good but is not sufficient to deny marriage. >Sailesh Chadha and so many people are there in this list with Saturn in >Lagna in exaltation and they are happily married. In fact both Sailesh and >his wife have this Mahapurusha yoga of Saturn in exaltation in lagna! >Seventh lord in the 6th house does not deny marriage - in fact it will >surely give marriage but with one who is like a servant, a domestic help or >an assistant or subordinate. > >As regards the Upapada, this is true also for Vrischika lagna where the >Upapada is also in dhanus rasi and has Ketu in 2nd house. Given the >planetary positions, it cannot deny marriage but will surely cause >separation of some kind with spouse. With Saturn exalted the Separation >cannot be permanent and some kind of temporary separation and then re-union >and then separation and so on continues to occur. ketu separates and then >Sani brings them together. but then, he is not married at all or is there a >secret marriage? with 8th lord Mercury conjoining the Upapada and the 7th >lord in a secret sign like scorpio, this cannot be ruled out. >--- >Classic Shasha yoga can make one King of a Nation. His changing of >statement also appears to be more in line with Moon in Vacha sthana. He >also has a habit of speaking with a lot of stops and Venus being kavi he >is a poet. Rahu in 10th also is in line with his knee problems. He also >became P.M. when saturn was Neecha and retrograde and in kendra for >Libra Asc. >I do not intend to dispute you but am giving the reasons that I believe >3.30 chart with Libra rising may not be incorrect, on the basis of not >being married and being a Poet only. > >Rath: Prabhu chandrasekhar ji. I have no doubt about your sincerity with >Jyotish and it is necessaary to give your points else the discussion is >meaningless. So thank you for this enlightening discussion. While >considering the Tula lagna I had overlooked some points and these come forth >as you point them out, so this is very good. > >Vascillation is caused by a weakness of the 10th lord or house. The mouth >only speaks what the man decides. That is why Jaimini teaches that the tenth >house is the 'dharma bhava' for the second house. If eyes are in the second >house then the dharma of those eyes - sight is in the tenth house. if speech >is in the second house then the dharma of that speech is in the tenth house. >Using Vrischika lagna, here the second house has the 8th lord Mercury in it >that not only afflicts the second house but also afflicts the 10th lord Sun >and 2nd lord Jupiter. On the one hand the great SIMHASANA YOGA caused by >10th lord in 2nd house with the 2nd lord shall fructify during Mercury >period while on the other hand he is seen as one who gives false promises >and hopes. > >As regards transits, Saturn in the 6th from lagna and Moon are better for >becoming PM than Saturn in 7th from lagna. In any case his cannot be the >final deciding factor. With Tula lagna the arudha lagna and Upapada are both >in Sagittarius and hence he would surely have married but with Vrischika >lagna the arudha lagna is with Rahu in Cancer and Upapada is in sagittarius >in 6th house from it. this is not good for marriage. > >Generally with Saturn exalted in Tula lagna, Knee problems are unlikely but >the 10th house Rahu can give it. Ketu in makara can also give it since the >eighth lord has conjoined the 10th lord. >---------- >--- >With Scorpio rising neither Sun not Saturn are very strong and then >becoming prime minister of a country could be a bit difficult as Lagna >would be in Papakartari. >I am still trying to get the correct birth time from Ataljee himself and >if I succeed I will let you know. > >Rath: Chandrasekhar ji, the 4th lord Saturn is involved in a Rajayoga by >being in the 12th house in exaltation (VRY for 3rd house). The 10th lord sun >is involved in one of the biggest Rajayogas - the SIMHASANA yoga caused by >10th lord in 2nd with 2nd lord. Indira Gandhi had a similar kind of Yoga >with 10th lord in 2nd and having exchange with Sun and 5th house. Jawaharlal >Nehru also had 10th lord in 2nd as part of the malika yoga. the tenth lorde >in 1st or 2nd house is a blessing of Vishnu (who rules the abhijit muhurta >occuring at midday/tenth house) and is the Simhasana yoga. Such a person has >Rajatilaka associated with Vishnu. At lease in the case of Vajpayee we know >that the first thing he did as PM was to inaugurate a Krishna temple - see >the tenth lord in Sagittarius with Jupiter. Sun & Jup combination is also >temples. See the chart of Sri Prabhupada with the Sun & Jupiter in Leo. >Incidentally the temple belongs to ISKON started by Sri Prabhupada. > >Looking forward to your input on this. >------ >We will certainly meet on 9th evening in Nagpur. Where will you be >staying? My phone number is 3122248. In case you forget it you could ask >Pankaj Chande The V>C> with whom I presume you will be meeting at Nagpur. >With warm regards, >Chandrashekhar. > >Rath: I will call you as soon as I am there. > >With best regards, >Sanjay Rath >SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India >Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 ::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: Dear Ajit That is the definition I use and did not get into it as it wopuld divert the topic. The definition is derived from the fact that sunrise is akin to the rising of the Kalapurusha and is equated to zero Aries. Then the Brahma muhurta or the most peaceful time is Pisces which should be before sunrise. Many astrologers take this to mean 5 ghatika or 2 hours covering the entire sign of Pisces. However, this is not right and the correct position is only 2 ghatika before sunrise. The one after sunrise is meant for focusing on the physical body like surya namaskar etc and is given to the Rudra due to the intense energy. Others feel it should be 2 and half on either side of sunrise..so many opinions but you did right by sticking to Parasara. With best regards, Sanjay Rath SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com - "Ajit Krishnan" <astro "'Sanjay Rath'" <guruji; "'Vedic-Astrology'" <vedic astrology>; "'Chandrashekhar'" <boxdel Monday, June 28, 2004 11:39 AM RE: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE ... hamsasso.aham .. Dear Gurudeva & Chandrashekhar, Chandrashekhar: Shankaracharya too says tat Brahma Muhurta is 5 nadikas before Sunrise and though it could mean about 2 Hours before Sun rise. . . Rath: I agree we should consider all possibilities but in the older days people were very clear about Brahma Muhurta being the moment before sunrise. It is only in the post-independance era that people seem to have forgotten everything and are using these terminology so loosely . . . Here is some relevant material: maadhaviiye paraashara: suuryodayaat praagardha prahare dvau muhuurtau tatraadyau braahmaH . dvitiiye raudra .. smrtitibhaaskara: raatrestu pashcime yaame muhuurto braahma uchyate . ajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 || Om Gurave Namah || Om Namo Narayanaya || Chandrashekhar ji, A small point, if I may. How relevant, or valid, is Pravrajya yoga in this chart, in light of that famous statement of Vajpayee ji where he is reported to have said that "I am a bachelor - not a brahmachari(or was it sanyasi?)" With best personal regards, Shaileshscchadha (AT) hotmail (DOT) com; scc (AT) sindhu (DOT) biz Sindhu Corp. Srv. P. Ltd.; 18A, East Marredpally, Secunderabad 5000 026, INDIA Tel.: [+91 40] (O) 2773 3478; 2773 7605(TeleFax); ® 2773 7779; 3090 2344; (M) 924 653 4837 ---- Dear Sanjay,I was certain you will understand my intent in the post. The chart with Libra rising had appeared in "Tarun Bharat" a Marathi Daily, the unofficial mouthpiece of RSS in NagpurAbout his marriage With Libra Lagna besides Saturn's aspect, Rahu is in 10th and as Shailesh's mail suggests he too is getting knee trouble now, with Saturn in lagna in exaltation. Shailesh's ccomment about Lord of the 7th in 8th is also worth observation. In case of Ataljee, Karaka, Lord and Planet aspecting 7th are all creating problems for marriage. I also remember that a long time back there was a lot of controversy when he reportedly said that he is unmarried, when asked whether he was a Brahmachari. Again I was commenting on combinations of all the factor including Pravrajya yoga to indicate that together they could indicate being unmarried and Not merely aspect of Saturn over its place of debilitation. That part also indicates the level of people he can rule ans their (associates) being numerous. Look at the number of parties that had come together to form the NDA.Mars is in 6th and he had one of his kidneys removed if I remember right. So perhaps I am not as far off the Mark regarding that lagna.Jataka Paarijata, if I remember right, mentions the specific yoga when Saturn in debilitation and retrograde in a Kendra can give rise to Rajyoga. The Saturn was retrograde when he became P.M. and occupied Kendra in debilitation. Saturn in Lagna also ties up with late rise in career. The Dasha operating then was Rah-Ven-Sat. About Vacillation his Chandra is bereft of Pakshabala and Lord of Vacha sthana is in 6th. Moon also has a tendency of intermittently lowering and heightening the indications of a Bhava which he occupies and he occupies the 2nd.Regarding Simhasana yoga and the powerful Saturn and Sun for Vrishchika chart, 8th and 11th lord also joins them and if my memory is right, 11th lord joining can harm the indication of the yoga., would not this weaken the yoga?Of course, as you suggest he could have Vrishchika lagna, but even his size would suggest at least Jalachara Rasi in Lagna, would it not?Regards,Chandrashekhar.Sanjay Rath wrote:>::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya::>Dear Chandrasekhar ji>Namaste.>comments are given under appropriate paras of your mail ->>- >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk>>"Sanjay Rath" <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com>>Cc: "Vedic-Astrology" <vedic astrology>>Monday, June 28, 2004 2:11 AM>Subject: Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE>>>Dear Sanjay,>I see your view point. Shankaracharya too says tat Brahma Muhurta is 5>nadikas before Sunrise and though it could mean about 2 Hours before Sun>rise, still the lagna would remain Vrishchika. Of course we do not know>whether Ataljee's father said 25th December per English calendar>(24.00hrs0 or Sunrise to Sunrise day counted by Hindus. But the reason I>said 3.30 is that people not well versed in astrology (We do not know>whether Ataljee's father was or not) used to believe Brahma Muhurta to>be 3.30 a.m. The reference to Brahma muhurta is from a book that Ataljee>himself wrote, if my memory is correct.>>Rath: I agree we should consider all possibilities but in the older days>people were very clear about Brahma Muhurta being the moment before sunrise.>It is only in the post-independance era that people seem to have forgotten>everything and are using these terminology so loosely. The chart I am using>now is based on the possible date of 25 Dec 1924 (english calendar - just as>you said) and not anything else. I wonder if people in those days used the>english calendar as this is a very recent addition in Orissa panchanga and>culture - around 1930's only. However the date used as per the Vedic>calendar will be the night of 24 Dec. So in this matter we both have the>same opinion. The difference is only in the understanding of Brahma muhurta.>Vajpayee AB 002>Natal Chart>December 25, 1924>Time: 4:45:53 am>Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)>Place: 78 E 10' 00", 26 N 13' 00"> Gwalior, India>Lunar Yr-Mo: Raktaaksha - Margasira>Tithi: Krishna Chaturdasi (Ve) (41.28% left)>Vedic Weekday: Wednesday (Me)>Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (51.33% left)>Yoga: Ganda (Sa)>Karana: Sakuna (Ma)>Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Aq)>Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sg)>Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Moon)>>Sunrise: 7:02:27 am (December 24)>Sunset: 5:31:27 pm (December 24)>Janma Ghatis: 54.3092>>Ayanamsa: 22-48-21.92>Sidereal Time: 10:41:20>>In so far as marriage, Exalted Saturn aspecting his own neecha sthana>could also deny marriage. Especially when Lord of the 7th gets in 6th>and Karaka of 7th house associate Mandi in Maraka sthana.Again in case>of Upapada lagna Ketu being second from it and Sun occupying it perhaps>Upadesha Sutra's Sutra 2 Pada4 of Adhyaaya 1 "Tatra papasya papayoge>pravrajya daranasova" would apply and make him a Pravrajya dharaka. He>was a Pracharaka for RSS and therefore he never married.>>Rath: Your point is very good but is not sufficient to deny marriage.>Sailesh Chadha and so many people are there in this list with Saturn in>Lagna in exaltation and they are happily married. In fact both Sailesh and>his wife have this Mahapurusha yoga of Saturn in exaltation in lagna!>Seventh lord in the 6th house does not deny marriage - in fact it will>surely give marriage but with one who is like a servant, a domestic help or>an assistant or subordinate.>>As regards the Upapada, this is true also for Vrischika lagna where the>Upapada is also in dhanus rasi and has Ketu in 2nd house. Given the>planetary positions, it cannot deny marriage but will surely cause>separation of some kind with spouse. With Saturn exalted the Separation>cannot be permanent and some kind of temporary separation and then re-union>and then separation and so on continues to occur. ketu separates and then>Sani brings them together. but then, he is not married at all or is there a>secret marriage? with 8th lord Mercury conjoining the Upapada and the 7th>lord in a secret sign like scorpio, this cannot be ruled out.>--->Classic Shasha yoga can make one King of a Nation. His changing of>statement also appears to be more in line with Moon in Vacha sthana. He>also has a habit of speaking with a lot of stops and Venus being kavi he>is a poet. Rahu in 10th also is in line with his knee problems. He also>became P.M. when saturn was Neecha and retrograde and in kendra for>Libra Asc.>I do not intend to dispute you but am giving the reasons that I believe>3.30 chart with Libra rising may not be incorrect, on the basis of not>being married and being a Poet only.>>Rath: Prabhu chandrasekhar ji. I have no doubt about your sincerity with>Jyotish and it is necessaary to give your points else the discussion is>meaningless. So thank you for this enlightening discussion. While>considering the Tula lagna I had overlooked some points and these come forth>as you point them out, so this is very good.>>Vascillation is caused by a weakness of the 10th lord or house. The mouth>only speaks what the man decides. That is why Jaimini teaches that the tenth>house is the 'dharma bhava' for the second house. If eyes are in the second>house then the dharma of those eyes - sight is in the tenth house. if speech>is in the second house then the dharma of that speech is in the tenth house.>Using Vrischika lagna, here the second house has the 8th lord Mercury in it>that not only afflicts the second house but also afflicts the 10th lord Sun>and 2nd lord Jupiter. On the one hand the great SIMHASANA YOGA caused by>10th lord in 2nd house with the 2nd lord shall fructify during Mercury>period while on the other hand he is seen as one who gives false promises>and hopes.>>As regards transits, Saturn in the 6th from lagna and Moon are better for>becoming PM than Saturn in 7th from lagna. In any case his cannot be the>final deciding factor. With Tula lagna the arudha lagna and Upapada are both>in Sagittarius and hence he would surely have married but with Vrischika>lagna the arudha lagna is with Rahu in Cancer and Upapada is in sagittarius>in 6th house from it. this is not good for marriage.>>Generally with Saturn exalted in Tula lagna, Knee problems are unlikely but>the 10th house Rahu can give it. Ketu in makara can also give it since the>eighth lord has conjoined the 10th lord.>---------->--->With Scorpio rising neither Sun not Saturn are very strong and then>becoming prime minister of a country could be a bit difficult as Lagna>would be in Papakartari.>I am still trying to get the correct birth time from Ataljee himself and>if I succeed I will let you know.>>Rath: Chandrasekhar ji, the 4th lord Saturn is involved in a Rajayoga by>being in the 12th house in exaltation (VRY for 3rd house). The 10th lord sun>is involved in one of the biggest Rajayogas - the SIMHASANA yoga caused by>10th lord in 2nd with 2nd lord. Indira Gandhi had a similar kind of Yoga>with 10th lord in 2nd and having exchange with Sun and 5th house. Jawaharlal>Nehru also had 10th lord in 2nd as part of the malika yoga. the tenth lorde>in 1st or 2nd house is a blessing of Vishnu (who rules the abhijit muhurta>occuring at midday/tenth house) and is the Simhasana yoga. Such a person has>Rajatilaka associated with Vishnu. At lease in the case of Vajpayee we know>that the first thing he did as PM was to inaugurate a Krishna temple - see>the tenth lord in Sagittarius with Jupiter. Sun & Jup combination is also>temples. See the chart of Sri Prabhupada with the Sun & Jupiter in Leo.>Incidentally the temple belongs to ISKON started by Sri Prabhupada.>>Looking forward to your input on this.>------>We will certainly meet on 9th evening in Nagpur. Where will you be>staying? My phone number is 3122248. In case you forget it you could ask>Pankaj Chande The V>C> with whom I presume you will be meeting at Nagpur.>With warm regards,>Chandrashekhar.>>Rath: I will call you as soon as I am there.>>With best regards,>Sanjay Rath>SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India>Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com>>>> >------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Companion Toolbar.Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free!http://us.click./L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/.8XolB/TM--~-> Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 ::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: Dear Chandrasekharji Sailesh is married and happy. In fact his wife has Libra lagna with Saturn and Mars in 6th house. His knee problem is not due to Saturn in libra lagna but due to venus the 8th lord being in Capricorn. We cannot take this as a confirmation for the knee problems of Vajpayee ji. All the arguments you give are applicable to the chart of Manju (Sailesh's wife) but then her life has been so different with a happy marriage and very good two sons (see exalted 5th lord gives very good sons). In vajpayee ji's case there is only one adopted daughter. Mars as 6th lord in 5th house aspected by Rahu in Marana sthana is also capable of causing kidney damage. This becomes sure when a malefic Saturn aspects the 6th house. Coming to dasa, Dvisaptati sama dasa works for vajpayee ji and this Mercury dasa which shall give the results of Rajayoga of Sun & Jupiter started in Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or 7th lord is in lagna): Maha Dasas: Mars: 1920-08-09 (2:46:48 am) - 1929-08-09 (9:55:49 am) Merc: 1929-08-09 (9:55:49 am) - 1938-08-09 (5:20:30 pm) Jup: 1938-08-09 (5:20:30 pm) - 1947-08-10 (12:45:16 am) Ven: 1947-08-10 (12:45:16 am) - 1956-08-09 (8:05:02 am) Sat: 1956-08-09 (8:05:02 am) - 1965-08-09 (3:26:18 pm) Rah: 1965-08-09 (3:26:18 pm) - 1974-08-09 (10:41:24 pm) Sun: 1974-08-09 (10:41:24 pm) - 1983-08-10 (6:07:05 am) Moon: 1983-08-10 (6:07:05 am) - 1992-08-09 (1:29:29 pm) JH Software does not give dasas beyond this but we can simply add 72 years to all the calculations. Mars dasa is from 1992 to 2001 and thereafter the 8th lord Mercury shall give its results. Being conjoined the Rajayoga Mercury will give Rajayoga initially and with the advent of Venus (maraka) antardasa he has lost the power. Just add 72 years to each of those dates. Of course this will need more elaborate correction including D charts etc. Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or 7th lord is in lagna): Merc MD: 1929-08-09 (9:55:49 am) - 1938-08-09 (5:20:30 pm) Antardasas in this MD: Merc: 1929-08-09 (9:55:49 am) - 1930-09-25 (3:13:15 am) Jup: 1930-09-25 (3:13:15 am) - 1931-11-09 (5:31:55 pm) Ven: 1931-11-09 (5:31:55 pm) - 1932-12-23 (9:38:43 am) Sat: 1932-12-23 (9:38:43 am) - 1934-02-05 (9:01:14 pm) Rah: 1934-02-05 (9:01:14 pm) - 1935-03-22 (11:15:11 pm) Sun: 1935-03-22 (11:15:11 pm) - 1936-05-07 (4:01:54 am) Moon: 1936-05-07 (4:01:54 am) - 1937-06-23 (8:06:39 am) Mars: 1937-06-23 (8:06:39 am) - 1938-08-09 (5:20:30 pm) Talking of size and lagna, this time we shall be showing some cases of twin births about 1-2 minutes apart who look totally different, have totally different habits and also totally different size. This is slated for Serbia conference where we shall be discussing the shastiamsa chart. With best regards, Sanjay Rath SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com - "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel "Sanjay Rath" <guruji Cc: "Vedic-Astrology" <vedic astrology> Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:30 AM Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE Dear Sanjay, I was certain you will understand my intent in the post. The chart with Libra rising had appeared in "Tarun Bharat" a Marathi Daily, the unofficial mouthpiece of RSS in Nagpur About his marriage With Libra Lagna besides Saturn's aspect, Rahu is in 10th and as Shailesh's mail suggests he too is getting knee trouble now, with Saturn in lagna in exaltation. Shailesh's ccomment about Lord of the 7th in 8th is also worth observation. In case of Ataljee, Karaka, Lord and Planet aspecting 7th are all creating problems for marriage. I also remember that a long time back there was a lot of controversy when he reportedly said that he is unmarried, when asked whether he was a Brahmachari. Again I was commenting on combinations of all the factor including Pravrajya yoga to indicate that together they could indicate being unmarried and Not merely aspect of Saturn over its place of debilitation. That part also indicates the level of people he can rule ans their (associates) being numerous. Look at the number of parties that had come together to form the NDA. Mars is in 6th and he had one of his kidneys removed if I remember right. So perhaps I am not as far off the Mark regarding that lagna. Jataka Paarijata, if I remember right, mentions the specific yoga when Saturn in debilitation and retrograde in a Kendra can give rise to Rajyoga. The Saturn was retrograde when he became P.M. and occupied Kendra in debilitation. Saturn in Lagna also ties up with late rise in career. The Dasha operating then was Rah-Ven-Sat. About Vacillation his Chandra is bereft of Pakshabala and Lord of Vacha sthana is in 6th. Moon also has a tendency of intermittently lowering and heightening the indications of a Bhava which he occupies and he occupies the 2nd. Regarding Simhasana yoga and the powerful Saturn and Sun for Vrishchika chart, 8th and 11th lord also joins them and if my memory is right, 11th lord joining can harm the indication of the yoga., would not this weaken the yoga? Of course, as you suggest he could have Vrishchika lagna, but even his size would suggest at least Jalachara Rasi in Lagna, would it not? Regards, Chandrashekhar. Sanjay Rath wrote: >::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: >Dear Chandrasekhar ji >Namaste. >comments are given under appropriate paras of your mail - > >- >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel >"Sanjay Rath" <guruji >Cc: "Vedic-Astrology" <vedic astrology> >Monday, June 28, 2004 2:11 AM >Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE > > >Dear Sanjay, >I see your view point. Shankaracharya too says tat Brahma Muhurta is 5 >nadikas before Sunrise and though it could mean about 2 Hours before Sun >rise, still the lagna would remain Vrishchika. Of course we do not know >whether Ataljee's father said 25th December per English calendar >(24.00hrs0 or Sunrise to Sunrise day counted by Hindus. But the reason I >said 3.30 is that people not well versed in astrology (We do not know >whether Ataljee's father was or not) used to believe Brahma Muhurta to >be 3.30 a.m. The reference to Brahma muhurta is from a book that Ataljee >himself wrote, if my memory is correct. > >Rath: I agree we should consider all possibilities but in the older days >people were very clear about Brahma Muhurta being the moment before sunrise. >It is only in the post-independance era that people seem to have forgotten >everything and are using these terminology so loosely. The chart I am using >now is based on the possible date of 25 Dec 1924 (english calendar - just as >you said) and not anything else. I wonder if people in those days used the >english calendar as this is a very recent addition in Orissa panchanga and >culture - around 1930's only. However the date used as per the Vedic >calendar will be the night of 24 Dec. So in this matter we both have the >same opinion. The difference is only in the understanding of Brahma muhurta. >Vajpayee AB 002 >Natal Chart > December 25, 1924 >Time: 4:45:53 am >Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) >Place: 78 E 10' 00", 26 N 13' 00" > Gwalior, India >Lunar Yr-Mo: Raktaaksha - Margasira >Tithi: Krishna Chaturdasi (Ve) (41.28% left) >Vedic Weekday: Wednesday (Me) >Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (51.33% left) >Yoga: Ganda (Sa) >Karana: Sakuna (Ma) >Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Aq) >Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sg) >Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Moon) > >Sunrise: 7:02:27 am (December 24) >Sunset: 5:31:27 pm (December 24) >Janma Ghatis: 54.3092 > >Ayanamsa: 22-48-21.92 >Sidereal Time: 10:41:20 > >In so far as marriage, Exalted Saturn aspecting his own neecha sthana >could also deny marriage. Especially when Lord of the 7th gets in 6th >and Karaka of 7th house associate Mandi in Maraka sthana.Again in case >of Upapada lagna Ketu being second from it and Sun occupying it perhaps >Upadesha Sutra's Sutra 2 Pada4 of Adhyaaya 1 "Tatra papasya papayoge >pravrajya daranasova" would apply and make him a Pravrajya dharaka. He >was a Pracharaka for RSS and therefore he never married. > >Rath: Your point is very good but is not sufficient to deny marriage. >Sailesh Chadha and so many people are there in this list with Saturn in >Lagna in exaltation and they are happily married. In fact both Sailesh and >his wife have this Mahapurusha yoga of Saturn in exaltation in lagna! >Seventh lord in the 6th house does not deny marriage - in fact it will >surely give marriage but with one who is like a servant, a domestic help or >an assistant or subordinate. > >As regards the Upapada, this is true also for Vrischika lagna where the >Upapada is also in dhanus rasi and has Ketu in 2nd house. Given the >planetary positions, it cannot deny marriage but will surely cause >separation of some kind with spouse. With Saturn exalted the Separation >cannot be permanent and some kind of temporary separation and then re-union >and then separation and so on continues to occur. ketu separates and then >Sani brings them together. but then, he is not married at all or is there a >secret marriage? with 8th lord Mercury conjoining the Upapada and the 7th >lord in a secret sign like scorpio, this cannot be ruled out. >--- >Classic Shasha yoga can make one King of a Nation. His changing of >statement also appears to be more in line with Moon in Vacha sthana. He >also has a habit of speaking with a lot of stops and Venus being kavi he >is a poet. Rahu in 10th also is in line with his knee problems. He also >became P.M. when saturn was Neecha and retrograde and in kendra for >Libra Asc. >I do not intend to dispute you but am giving the reasons that I believe >3.30 chart with Libra rising may not be incorrect, on the basis of not >being married and being a Poet only. > >Rath: Prabhu chandrasekhar ji. I have no doubt about your sincerity with >Jyotish and it is necessaary to give your points else the discussion is >meaningless. So thank you for this enlightening discussion. While >considering the Tula lagna I had overlooked some points and these come forth >as you point them out, so this is very good. > >Vascillation is caused by a weakness of the 10th lord or house. The mouth >only speaks what the man decides. That is why Jaimini teaches that the tenth >house is the 'dharma bhava' for the second house. If eyes are in the second >house then the dharma of those eyes - sight is in the tenth house. if speech >is in the second house then the dharma of that speech is in the tenth house. >Using Vrischika lagna, here the second house has the 8th lord Mercury in it >that not only afflicts the second house but also afflicts the 10th lord Sun >and 2nd lord Jupiter. On the one hand the great SIMHASANA YOGA caused by >10th lord in 2nd house with the 2nd lord shall fructify during Mercury >period while on the other hand he is seen as one who gives false promises >and hopes. > >As regards transits, Saturn in the 6th from lagna and Moon are better for >becoming PM than Saturn in 7th from lagna. In any case his cannot be the >final deciding factor. With Tula lagna the arudha lagna and Upapada are both >in Sagittarius and hence he would surely have married but with Vrischika >lagna the arudha lagna is with Rahu in Cancer and Upapada is in sagittarius >in 6th house from it. this is not good for marriage. > >Generally with Saturn exalted in Tula lagna, Knee problems are unlikely but >the 10th house Rahu can give it. Ketu in makara can also give it since the >eighth lord has conjoined the 10th lord. >--------- - >--- >With Scorpio rising neither Sun not Saturn are very strong and then >becoming prime minister of a country could be a bit difficult as Lagna >would be in Papakartari. >I am still trying to get the correct birth time from Ataljee himself and >if I succeed I will let you know. > >Rath: Chandrasekhar ji, the 4th lord Saturn is involved in a Rajayoga by >being in the 12th house in exaltation (VRY for 3rd house). The 10th lord sun >is involved in one of the biggest Rajayogas - the SIMHASANA yoga caused by >10th lord in 2nd with 2nd lord. Indira Gandhi had a similar kind of Yoga >with 10th lord in 2nd and having exchange with Sun and 5th house. Jawaharlal >Nehru also had 10th lord in 2nd as part of the malika yoga. the tenth lorde >in 1st or 2nd house is a blessing of Vishnu (who rules the abhijit muhurta >occuring at midday/tenth house) and is the Simhasana yoga. Such a person has >Rajatilaka associated with Vishnu. At lease in the case of Vajpayee we know >that the first thing he did as PM was to inaugurate a Krishna temple - see >the tenth lord in Sagittarius with Jupiter. Sun & Jup combination is also >temples. See the chart of Sri Prabhupada with the Sun & Jupiter in Leo. >Incidentally the temple belongs to ISKON started by Sri Prabhupada. > >Looking forward to your input on this. >------ >We will certainly meet on 9th evening in Nagpur. Where will you be >staying? My phone number is 3122248. In case you forget it you could ask >Pankaj Chande The V>C> with whom I presume you will be meeting at Nagpur. >With warm regards, >Chandrashekhar. > >Rath: I will call you as soon as I am there. > >With best regards, >Sanjay Rath >SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India >Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com > > > > > Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 ::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: Dear Sailesh Be sure there is no pravrajya yoga with Saturn in exaltation in your chart nor in Manju's chart. Vajpayee ji's statement is one of those rare googly which looks like a leg spin but is swinging outside the crease. With Venus in Scorpio lagna, the native will have 'veerya' till 100 years of age. So we are sure that this matches the fact that he is a bachelor and not a brahmachari. With best regards, Sanjay Rath SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com - "Shailesh" <scc <vedic astrology> Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:48 AM Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE || Om Gurave Namah || Om Namo Narayanaya || Chandrashekhar ji, A small point, if I may. How relevant, or valid, is Pravrajya yoga in this chart, in light of that famous statement of Vajpayee ji where he is reported to have said that "I am a bachelor - not a brahmachari(or was it sanyasi?)" With best personal regards, Shailesh scchadha; scc Sindhu Corp. Srv. P. Ltd.; 18A, East Marredpally, Secunderabad 5000 026, INDIA Tel.: [+91 40] (O) 2773 3478; 2773 7605(TeleFax); ® 2773 7779; 3090 2344; (M) 924 653 4837 ---- Chandrashekhar Tuesday, June 29, 2004 04:40:43 Sanjay Rath Cc: Vedic-Astrology Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE Dear Sanjay, I was certain you will understand my intent in the post. The chart with Libra rising had appeared in "Tarun Bharat" a Marathi Daily, the unofficial mouthpiece of RSS in Nagpur About his marriage With Libra Lagna besides Saturn's aspect, Rahu is in 10th and as Shailesh's mail suggests he too is getting knee trouble now, with Saturn in lagna in exaltation. Shailesh's ccomment about Lord of the 7th in 8th is also worth observation. In case of Ataljee, Karaka, Lord and Planet aspecting 7th are all creating problems for marriage. I also remember that a long time back there was a lot of controversy when he reportedly said that he is unmarried, when asked whether he was a Brahmachari. Again I was commenting on combinations of all the factor including Pravrajya yoga to indicate that together they could indicate being unmarried and Not merely aspect of Saturn over its place of debilitation. That part also indicates the level of people he can rule ans their (associates) being numerous. Look at the number of parties that had come together to form the NDA. Mars is in 6th and he had one of his kidneys removed if I remember right. So perhaps I am not as far off the Mark regarding that lagna. Jataka Paarijata, if I remember right, mentions the specific yoga when Saturn in debilitation and retrograde in a Kendra can give rise to Rajyoga. The Saturn was retrograde when he became P.M. and occupied Kendra in debilitation. Saturn in Lagna also ties up with late rise in career. The Dasha operating then was Rah-Ven-Sat. About Vacillation his Chandra is bereft of Pakshabala and Lord of Vacha sthana is in 6th. Moon also has a tendency of intermittently lowering and heightening the indications of a Bhava which he occupies and he occupies the 2nd. Regarding Simhasana yoga and the powerful Saturn and Sun for Vrishchika chart, 8th and 11th lord also joins them and if my memory is right, 11th lord joining can harm the indication of the yoga., would not this weaken the yoga? Of course, as you suggest he could have Vrishchika lagna, but even his size would suggest at least Jalachara Rasi in Lagna, would it not? Regards, Chandrashekhar. Sanjay Rath wrote: >::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: >Dear Chandrasekhar ji >Namaste. >comments are given under appropriate paras of your mail - > >- >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel >"Sanjay Rath" <guruji >Cc: "Vedic-Astrology" <vedic astrology> >Monday, June 28, 2004 2:11 AM >Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE > > >Dear Sanjay, >I see your view point. Shankaracharya too says tat Brahma Muhurta is 5 >nadikas before Sunrise and though it could mean about 2 Hours before Sun >rise, still the lagna would remain Vrishchika. Of course we do not know >whether Ataljee's father said 25th December per English calendar >(24.00hrs0 or Sunrise to Sunrise day counted by Hindus. But the reason I >said 3.30 is that people not well versed in astrology (We do not know >whether Ataljee's father was or not) used to believe Brahma Muhurta to >be 3.30 a.m. The reference to Brahma muhurta is from a book that Ataljee >himself wrote, if my memory is correct. > >Rath: I agree we should consider all possibilities but in the older days >people were very clear about Brahma Muhurta being the moment before sunrise >It is only in the post-independance era that people seem to have forgotten >everything and are using these terminology so loosely. The chart I am using >now is based on the possible date of 25 Dec 1924 (english calendar - just as >you said) and not anything else. I wonder if people in those days used the >english calendar as this is a very recent addition in Orissa panchanga and >culture - around 1930's only. However the date used as per the Vedic >calendar will be the night of 24 Dec. So in this matter we both have the >same opinion. The difference is only in the understanding of Brahma muhurta >Vajpayee AB 002 >Natal Chart >December 25, 1924 >Time: 4:45:53 am >Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) >Place: 78 E 10' 00", 26 N 13' 00" > Gwalior, India >Lunar Yr-Mo: Raktaaksha - Margasira >Tithi: Krishna Chaturdasi (Ve) (41.28% left) >Vedic Weekday: Wednesday (Me) >Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (51.33% left) >Yoga: Ganda (Sa) >Karana: Sakuna (Ma) >Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Aq) >Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sg) >Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Moon) > >Sunrise: 7:02:27 am (December 24) >Sunset: 5:31:27 pm (December 24) >Janma Ghatis: 54.3092 > >Ayanamsa: 22-48-21.92 >Sidereal Time: 10:41:20 > >In so far as marriage, Exalted Saturn aspecting his own neecha sthana >could also deny marriage. Especially when Lord of the 7th gets in 6th >and Karaka of 7th house associate Mandi in Maraka sthana.Again in case >of Upapada lagna Ketu being second from it and Sun occupying it perhaps >Upadesha Sutra's Sutra 2 Pada4 of Adhyaaya 1 "Tatra papasya papayoge >pravrajya daranasova" would apply and make him a Pravrajya dharaka. He >was a Pracharaka for RSS and therefore he never married. > >Rath: Your point is very good but is not sufficient to deny marriage. >Sailesh Chadha and so many people are there in this list with Saturn in >Lagna in exaltation and they are happily married. In fact both Sailesh and >his wife have this Mahapurusha yoga of Saturn in exaltation in lagna! >Seventh lord in the 6th house does not deny marriage - in fact it will >surely give marriage but with one who is like a servant, a domestic help or >an assistant or subordinate. > >As regards the Upapada, this is true also for Vrischika lagna where the >Upapada is also in dhanus rasi and has Ketu in 2nd house. Given the >planetary positions, it cannot deny marriage but will surely cause >separation of some kind with spouse. With Saturn exalted the Separation >cannot be permanent and some kind of temporary separation and then re-union >and then separation and so on continues to occur. ketu separates and then >Sani brings them together. but then, he is not married at all or is there a >secret marriage? with 8th lord Mercury conjoining the Upapada and the 7th >lord in a secret sign like scorpio, this cannot be ruled out. >--- >Classic Shasha yoga can make one King of a Nation. His changing of >statement also appears to be more in line with Moon in Vacha sthana. He >also has a habit of speaking with a lot of stops and Venus being kavi he >is a poet. Rahu in 10th also is in line with his knee problems. He also >became P.M. when saturn was Neecha and retrograde and in kendra for >Libra Asc. >I do not intend to dispute you but am giving the reasons that I believe >3.30 chart with Libra rising may not be incorrect, on the basis of not >being married and being a Poet only. > >Rath: Prabhu chandrasekhar ji. I have no doubt about your sincerity with >Jyotish and it is necessaary to give your points else the discussion is >meaningless. So thank you for this enlightening discussion. While >considering the Tula lagna I had overlooked some points and these come forth >as you point them out, so this is very good. > >Vascillation is caused by a weakness of the 10th lord or house. The mouth >only speaks what the man decides. That is why Jaimini teaches that the tenth >house is the 'dharma bhava' for the second house. If eyes are in the second >house then the dharma of those eyes - sight is in the tenth house. if speech >is in the second house then the dharma of that speech is in the tenth house >Using Vrischika lagna, here the second house has the 8th lord Mercury in it >that not only afflicts the second house but also afflicts the 10th lord Sun >and 2nd lord Jupiter. On the one hand the great SIMHASANA YOGA caused by >10th lord in 2nd house with the 2nd lord shall fructify during Mercury >period while on the other hand he is seen as one who gives false promises >and hopes. > >As regards transits, Saturn in the 6th from lagna and Moon are better for >becoming PM than Saturn in 7th from lagna. In any case his cannot be the >final deciding factor. With Tula lagna the arudha lagna and Upapada are both >in Sagittarius and hence he would surely have married but with Vrischika >lagna the arudha lagna is with Rahu in Cancer and Upapada is in sagittarius >in 6th house from it. this is not good for marriage. > >Generally with Saturn exalted in Tula lagna, Knee problems are unlikely but >the 10th house Rahu can give it. Ketu in makara can also give it since the >eighth lord has conjoined the 10th lord. >--------- - >--- >With Scorpio rising neither Sun not Saturn are very strong and then >becoming prime minister of a country could be a bit difficult as Lagna >would be in Papakartari. >I am still trying to get the correct birth time from Ataljee himself and >if I succeed I will let you know. > >Rath: Chandrasekhar ji, the 4th lord Saturn is involved in a Rajayoga by >being in the 12th house in exaltation (VRY for 3rd house). The 10th lord sun >is involved in one of the biggest Rajayogas - the SIMHASANA yoga caused by >10th lord in 2nd with 2nd lord. Indira Gandhi had a similar kind of Yoga >with 10th lord in 2nd and having exchange with Sun and 5th house. Jawaharlal >Nehru also had 10th lord in 2nd as part of the malika yoga. the tenth lorde >in 1st or 2nd house is a blessing of Vishnu (who rules the abhijit muhurta >occuring at midday/tenth house) and is the Simhasana yoga. Such a person has >Rajatilaka associated with Vishnu. At lease in the case of Vajpayee we know >that the first thing he did as PM was to inaugurate a Krishna temple - see >the tenth lord in Sagittarius with Jupiter. Sun & Jup combination is also >temples. See the chart of Sri Prabhupada with the Sun & Jupiter in Leo. >Incidentally the temple belongs to ISKON started by Sri Prabhupada. > >Looking forward to your input on this. >------ >We will certainly meet on 9th evening in Nagpur. Where will you be >staying? My phone number is 3122248. In case you forget it you could ask >Pankaj Chande The V>C> with whom I presume you will be meeting at Nagpur. >With warm regards, >Chandrashekhar. > >Rath: I will call you as soon as I am there. > >With best regards, >Sanjay Rath >SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India >Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com > > > > > . || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 Dear Sanjay, I was referring to 10th house being the area of Knees with Saturn aspecting it causing the problem. Capricorn would be his 4th house and would be heart or chest area of the Kalapurusha, is it not? Perhaps there are many ways to look at problems in a chart and that is why the science is divine. I would have looked at Venus in Capricorn in friend's house with Digbala, indicating much happiness from Maternal family or worse case scenario would have been diabetes to mother. I do not have either Manju or Shailesh's charts so it would not be correct for me to speculate about their charts. Again I had said that besides this he has Venus Kalatra karaka in 2nd with mandi and Mars in 6th. So it was combination of planets that I was referring to. Exalted Saturn no doubt gave him long time commitment towards those he is associated with (wife also is one of that group) but here instead of the spouse it is towards the Nation-building and his organisations. I, actually, was pointing out to these combination coupled with Ketu in 2nd from Upapada Lagna to analyse whether with Libra Lagna the results could be right. Anyway, I hope I will be able to get the birth time from the great Statesman himself, if and when I get it I shall give them to you. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Sanjay Rath wrote: >::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: >Dear Chandrasekharji >Sailesh is married and happy. In fact his wife has Libra lagna with Saturn >and Mars in 6th house. His knee problem is not due to Saturn in libra lagna >but due to venus the 8th lord being in Capricorn. We cannot take this as a >confirmation for the knee problems of Vajpayee ji. All the arguments you >give are applicable to the chart of Manju (Sailesh's wife) but then her life >has been so different with a happy marriage and very good two sons (see >exalted 5th lord gives very good sons). In vajpayee ji's case there is only >one adopted daughter. > >Mars as 6th lord in 5th house aspected by Rahu in Marana sthana is also >capable of causing kidney damage. This becomes sure when a malefic Saturn >aspects the 6th house. > >Coming to dasa, Dvisaptati sama dasa works for vajpayee ji and this Mercury >dasa which shall give the results of Rajayoga of Sun & Jupiter started in >Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or 7th lord is in >lagna): > > Maha Dasas: > > Mars: 1920-08-09 (2:46:48 am) - 1929-08-09 (9:55:49 am) > Merc: 1929-08-09 (9:55:49 am) - 1938-08-09 (5:20:30 pm) > Jup: 1938-08-09 (5:20:30 pm) - 1947-08-10 (12:45:16 am) > Ven: 1947-08-10 (12:45:16 am) - 1956-08-09 (8:05:02 am) > Sat: 1956-08-09 (8:05:02 am) - 1965-08-09 (3:26:18 pm) > Rah: 1965-08-09 (3:26:18 pm) - 1974-08-09 (10:41:24 pm) > Sun: 1974-08-09 (10:41:24 pm) - 1983-08-10 (6:07:05 am) > Moon: 1983-08-10 (6:07:05 am) - 1992-08-09 (1:29:29 pm) > >JH Software does not give dasas beyond this but we can simply add 72 years >to all the calculations. Mars dasa is from 1992 to 2001 and thereafter the >8th lord Mercury shall give its results. Being conjoined the Rajayoga >Mercury will give Rajayoga initially and with the advent of Venus (maraka) >antardasa he has lost the power. Just add 72 years to each of those dates. >Of course this will need more elaborate correction including D charts etc. >Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or 7th lord is in >lagna): > > Merc MD: 1929-08-09 (9:55:49 am) - 1938-08-09 (5:20:30 pm) > > Antardasas in this MD: > > Merc: 1929-08-09 (9:55:49 am) - 1930-09-25 (3:13:15 am) > Jup: 1930-09-25 (3:13:15 am) - 1931-11-09 (5:31:55 pm) > Ven: 1931-11-09 (5:31:55 pm) - 1932-12-23 (9:38:43 am) > Sat: 1932-12-23 (9:38:43 am) - 1934-02-05 (9:01:14 pm) > Rah: 1934-02-05 (9:01:14 pm) - 1935-03-22 (11:15:11 pm) > Sun: 1935-03-22 (11:15:11 pm) - 1936-05-07 (4:01:54 am) > Moon: 1936-05-07 (4:01:54 am) - 1937-06-23 (8:06:39 am) > Mars: 1937-06-23 (8:06:39 am) - 1938-08-09 (5:20:30 pm) > >Talking of size and lagna, this time we shall be showing some cases of twin >births about 1-2 minutes apart who look totally different, have totally >different habits and also totally different size. This is slated for Serbia >conference where we shall be discussing the shastiamsa chart. > >With best regards, >Sanjay Rath >SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India >Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com > >- >"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel >"Sanjay Rath" <guruji >Cc: "Vedic-Astrology" <vedic astrology> >Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:30 AM >Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE > > >Dear Sanjay, >I was certain you will understand my intent in the post. The chart with >Libra rising had appeared in "Tarun Bharat" a Marathi Daily, the >unofficial mouthpiece of RSS in Nagpur >About his marriage With Libra Lagna besides Saturn's aspect, Rahu is in >10th and as Shailesh's mail suggests he too is getting knee trouble now, >with Saturn in lagna in exaltation. Shailesh's ccomment about Lord of >the 7th in 8th is also worth observation. In case of Ataljee, Karaka, >Lord and Planet aspecting 7th are all creating problems for marriage. I >also remember that a long time back there was a lot of controversy when >he reportedly said that he is unmarried, when asked whether he was a >Brahmachari. Again I was commenting on combinations of all the factor >including Pravrajya yoga to indicate that together they could indicate >being unmarried and Not merely aspect of Saturn over its place of >debilitation. That part also indicates the level of people he can rule >ans their (associates) being numerous. Look at the number of parties >that had come together to form the NDA. >Mars is in 6th and he had one of his kidneys removed if I remember >right. So perhaps I am not as far off the Mark regarding that lagna. >Jataka Paarijata, if I remember right, mentions the specific yoga when >Saturn in debilitation and retrograde in a Kendra can give rise to >Rajyoga. The Saturn was retrograde when he became P.M. and occupied >Kendra in debilitation. Saturn in Lagna also ties up with late rise in >career. The Dasha operating then was Rah-Ven-Sat. About Vacillation his >Chandra is bereft of Pakshabala and Lord of Vacha sthana is in 6th. Moon >also has a tendency of intermittently lowering and heightening the >indications of a Bhava which he occupies and he occupies the 2nd. >Regarding Simhasana yoga and the powerful Saturn and Sun for >Vrishchika chart, 8th and 11th lord also joins them and if my memory is >right, 11th lord joining can harm the indication of the yoga., would not >this weaken the yoga? >Of course, as you suggest he could have Vrishchika lagna, but even his >size would suggest at least Jalachara Rasi in Lagna, would it not? >Regards, >Chandrashekhar. > >Sanjay Rath wrote: > > > >>::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: >>Dear Chandrasekhar ji >>Namaste. >>comments are given under appropriate paras of your mail - >> >>- >>"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel >>"Sanjay Rath" <guruji >>Cc: "Vedic-Astrology" <vedic astrology> >>Monday, June 28, 2004 2:11 AM >>Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE >> >> >>Dear Sanjay, >>I see your view point. Shankaracharya too says tat Brahma Muhurta is 5 >>nadikas before Sunrise and though it could mean about 2 Hours before Sun >>rise, still the lagna would remain Vrishchika. Of course we do not know >>whether Ataljee's father said 25th December per English calendar >>(24.00hrs0 or Sunrise to Sunrise day counted by Hindus. But the reason I >>said 3.30 is that people not well versed in astrology (We do not know >>whether Ataljee's father was or not) used to believe Brahma Muhurta to >>be 3.30 a.m. The reference to Brahma muhurta is from a book that Ataljee >>himself wrote, if my memory is correct. >> >>Rath: I agree we should consider all possibilities but in the older days >>people were very clear about Brahma Muhurta being the moment before >> >> >sunrise. > > >>It is only in the post-independance era that people seem to have forgotten >>everything and are using these terminology so loosely. The chart I am using >>now is based on the possible date of 25 Dec 1924 (english calendar - just >> >> >as > > >>you said) and not anything else. I wonder if people in those days used the >>english calendar as this is a very recent addition in Orissa panchanga and >>culture - around 1930's only. However the date used as per the Vedic >>calendar will be the night of 24 Dec. So in this matter we both have the >>same opinion. The difference is only in the understanding of Brahma >> >> >muhurta. > > >>Vajpayee AB 002 >>Natal Chart >> December 25, 1924 >>Time: 4:45:53 am >>Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) >>Place: 78 E 10' 00", 26 N 13' 00" >> Gwalior, India >>Lunar Yr-Mo: Raktaaksha - Margasira >>Tithi: Krishna Chaturdasi (Ve) (41.28% left) >>Vedic Weekday: Wednesday (Me) >>Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (51.33% left) >>Yoga: Ganda (Sa) >>Karana: Sakuna (Ma) >>Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Aq) >>Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sg) >>Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Moon) >> >>Sunrise: 7:02:27 am (December 24) >>Sunset: 5:31:27 pm (December 24) >>Janma Ghatis: 54.3092 >> >>Ayanamsa: 22-48-21.92 >>Sidereal Time: 10:41:20 >> >>In so far as marriage, Exalted Saturn aspecting his own neecha sthana >>could also deny marriage. Especially when Lord of the 7th gets in 6th >>and Karaka of 7th house associate Mandi in Maraka sthana.Again in case >>of Upapada lagna Ketu being second from it and Sun occupying it perhaps >>Upadesha Sutra's Sutra 2 Pada4 of Adhyaaya 1 "Tatra papasya papayoge >>pravrajya daranasova" would apply and make him a Pravrajya dharaka. He >>was a Pracharaka for RSS and therefore he never married. >> >>Rath: Your point is very good but is not sufficient to deny marriage. >>Sailesh Chadha and so many people are there in this list with Saturn in >>Lagna in exaltation and they are happily married. In fact both Sailesh and >>his wife have this Mahapurusha yoga of Saturn in exaltation in lagna! >>Seventh lord in the 6th house does not deny marriage - in fact it will >>surely give marriage but with one who is like a servant, a domestic help or >>an assistant or subordinate. >> >>As regards the Upapada, this is true also for Vrischika lagna where the >>Upapada is also in dhanus rasi and has Ketu in 2nd house. Given the >>planetary positions, it cannot deny marriage but will surely cause >>separation of some kind with spouse. With Saturn exalted the Separation >>cannot be permanent and some kind of temporary separation and then re-union >>and then separation and so on continues to occur. ketu separates and then >>Sani brings them together. but then, he is not married at all or is there a >>secret marriage? with 8th lord Mercury conjoining the Upapada and the 7th >>lord in a secret sign like scorpio, this cannot be ruled out. >>--- >>Classic Shasha yoga can make one King of a Nation. His changing of >>statement also appears to be more in line with Moon in Vacha sthana. He >>also has a habit of speaking with a lot of stops and Venus being kavi he >>is a poet. Rahu in 10th also is in line with his knee problems. He also >>became P.M. when saturn was Neecha and retrograde and in kendra for >>Libra Asc. >>I do not intend to dispute you but am giving the reasons that I believe >>3.30 chart with Libra rising may not be incorrect, on the basis of not >>being married and being a Poet only. >> >>Rath: Prabhu chandrasekhar ji. I have no doubt about your sincerity with >>Jyotish and it is necessaary to give your points else the discussion is >>meaningless. So thank you for this enlightening discussion. While >>considering the Tula lagna I had overlooked some points and these come >> >> >forth > > >>as you point them out, so this is very good. >> >>Vascillation is caused by a weakness of the 10th lord or house. The mouth >>only speaks what the man decides. That is why Jaimini teaches that the >> >> >tenth > > >>house is the 'dharma bhava' for the second house. If eyes are in the second >>house then the dharma of those eyes - sight is in the tenth house. if >> >> >speech > > >>is in the second house then the dharma of that speech is in the tenth >> >> >house. > > >>Using Vrischika lagna, here the second house has the 8th lord Mercury in it >>that not only afflicts the second house but also afflicts the 10th lord Sun >>and 2nd lord Jupiter. On the one hand the great SIMHASANA YOGA caused by >>10th lord in 2nd house with the 2nd lord shall fructify during Mercury >>period while on the other hand he is seen as one who gives false promises >>and hopes. >> >>As regards transits, Saturn in the 6th from lagna and Moon are better for >>becoming PM than Saturn in 7th from lagna. In any case his cannot be the >>final deciding factor. With Tula lagna the arudha lagna and Upapada are >> >> >both > > >>in Sagittarius and hence he would surely have married but with Vrischika >>lagna the arudha lagna is with Rahu in Cancer and Upapada is in sagittarius >>in 6th house from it. this is not good for marriage. >> >>Generally with Saturn exalted in Tula lagna, Knee problems are unlikely but >>the 10th house Rahu can give it. Ketu in makara can also give it since the >>eighth lord has conjoined the 10th lord. >>--------- >> >> >- > > >>--- >>With Scorpio rising neither Sun not Saturn are very strong and then >>becoming prime minister of a country could be a bit difficult as Lagna >>would be in Papakartari. >>I am still trying to get the correct birth time from Ataljee himself and >>if I succeed I will let you know. >> >>Rath: Chandrasekhar ji, the 4th lord Saturn is involved in a Rajayoga by >>being in the 12th house in exaltation (VRY for 3rd house). The 10th lord >> >> >sun > > >>is involved in one of the biggest Rajayogas - the SIMHASANA yoga caused by >>10th lord in 2nd with 2nd lord. Indira Gandhi had a similar kind of Yoga >>with 10th lord in 2nd and having exchange with Sun and 5th house. >> >> >Jawaharlal > > >>Nehru also had 10th lord in 2nd as part of the malika yoga. the tenth lorde >>in 1st or 2nd house is a blessing of Vishnu (who rules the abhijit muhurta >>occuring at midday/tenth house) and is the Simhasana yoga. Such a person >> >> >has > > >>Rajatilaka associated with Vishnu. At lease in the case of Vajpayee we know >>that the first thing he did as PM was to inaugurate a Krishna temple - see >>the tenth lord in Sagittarius with Jupiter. Sun & Jup combination is also >>temples. See the chart of Sri Prabhupada with the Sun & Jupiter in Leo. >>Incidentally the temple belongs to ISKON started by Sri Prabhupada. >> >>Looking forward to your input on this. >>------ >>We will certainly meet on 9th evening in Nagpur. Where will you be >>staying? My phone number is 3122248. In case you forget it you could ask >>Pankaj Chande The V>C> with whom I presume you will be meeting at Nagpur. >>With warm regards, >>Chandrashekhar. >> >>Rath: I will call you as soon as I am there. >> >>With best regards, >>Sanjay Rath >>SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India >>Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 Dear Sanjay, I was repeating what His Holiness Shankaracharya of Kanchi Kamakoti said, since I think he is the highest authority in interpretation of scriptures. I am attaching what he says for your reference. Since all our shastras are interconnected, where some term is not explained by the sage, there is no harm in looking for it in the scriptures and who better than His Holiness to interpret them is what I think. Here is what he says in 19th chapter of Hindu Dharma when speaking of Grihastaashrama. "Let me now speak about a Brahmin's daily religious life according to the shastras. It is indeed a harsh routine. A Brahmins must get up five nadikas <referp19.htm#NADIKA>, or two hours, before sunrise. "Panca -panca-usatkale", so it is said. "Panca-panca" means five*five - "panca-panca usatkale"denotes during the 25th nadika". From sunset to sunrise is 30 nadikas. So a Brahmin must rise during the 25th nadika- from this time to sunrise is "Brahma muhurta". After getting up, he cleans his teeth, bathes in cold water and performs sandhyavandana and japa. Next he goes through aupasana and agnihotra. These rites come under "devayajna", sacrifices to the gods. Next is " Brahmayajna", the daily study and chanting of the Vedas. As part of this rite there are some tarpanas or libations to be offered. (For people following certain sutras these come later). If daytime is divided into eight parts one part would have been over by now." Your comments would be appreciated. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Sanjay Rath wrote: >::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: >Dear Ajit >That is the definition I use and did not get into it as it wopuld divert the >topic. The definition is derived from the fact that sunrise is akin to the >rising of the Kalapurusha and is equated to zero Aries. Then the Brahma >muhurta or the most peaceful time is Pisces which should be before sunrise. >Many astrologers take this to mean 5 ghatika or 2 hours covering the entire >sign of Pisces. However, this is not right and the correct position is only >2 ghatika before sunrise. The one after sunrise is meant for focusing on the >physical body like surya namaskar etc and is given to the Rudra due to the >intense energy. Others feel it should be 2 and half on either side of >sunrise..so many opinions but you did right by sticking to Parasara. >With best regards, >Sanjay Rath >SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India >Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com > >- >"Ajit Krishnan" <astro >"'Sanjay Rath'" <guruji; "'Vedic-Astrology'" ><vedic astrology>; "'Chandrashekhar'" <boxdel >Monday, June 28, 2004 11:39 AM >RE: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE > > >.. hamsasso.aham .. > >Dear Gurudeva & Chandrashekhar, > >Chandrashekhar: Shankaracharya too says tat Brahma Muhurta >is 5 >nadikas before Sunrise and though it could mean about 2 >Hours before Sun rise. . . > >Rath: I agree we should consider all possibilities but in >the older days people were very clear about Brahma Muhurta being the moment >before sunrise. It is only in the post-independance era that people seem to >have forgotten everything and are using these terminology so loosely . . . > >Here is some relevant material: > >maadhaviiye paraashara: suuryodayaat praagardha prahare dvau muhuurtau >tatraadyau braahmaH . dvitiiye raudra .. > >smrtitibhaaskara: raatrestu pashcime yaame muhuurto braahma uchyate . > >ajit > > > > > > > > > > > > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 ::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: Dear Chandrasekhar ji I have already explained the principle behind the five nadikas i.e. Pisces in the natural zodiac cycle. This is fine for any spiritual practise but the vaishnavas of Puri have to get up even earlier for the mangal aarati. With best regards, Sanjay Rath SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com - "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel "Sanjay Rath" <guruji Cc: "'Vedic-Astrology'" <vedic astrology>; "Ajit Krishnan" <astro Wednesday, June 30, 2004 5:43 PM Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE Dear Sanjay, I was repeating what His Holiness Shankaracharya of Kanchi Kamakoti said, since I think he is the highest authority in interpretation of scriptures. I am attaching what he says for your reference. Since all our shastras are interconnected, where some term is not explained by the sage, there is no harm in looking for it in the scriptures and who better than His Holiness to interpret them is what I think. Here is what he says in 19th chapter of Hindu Dharma when speaking of Grihastaashrama. "Let me now speak about a Brahmin's daily religious life according to the shastras. It is indeed a harsh routine. A Brahmins must get up five nadikas <referp19.htm#NADIKA>, or two hours, before sunrise. "Panca -panca-usatkale", so it is said. "Panca-panca" means five*five - "panca-panca usatkale"denotes during the 25th nadika". From sunset to sunrise is 30 nadikas. So a Brahmin must rise during the 25th nadika- from this time to sunrise is "Brahma muhurta". After getting up, he cleans his teeth, bathes in cold water and performs sandhyavandana and japa. Next he goes through aupasana and agnihotra. These rites come under "devayajna", sacrifices to the gods. Next is " Brahmayajna", the daily study and chanting of the Vedas. As part of this rite there are some tarpanas or libations to be offered. (For people following certain sutras these come later). If daytime is divided into eight parts one part would have been over by now." Your comments would be appreciated. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Sanjay Rath wrote: >::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: >Dear Ajit >That is the definition I use and did not get into it as it wopuld divert the >topic. The definition is derived from the fact that sunrise is akin to the >rising of the Kalapurusha and is equated to zero Aries. Then the Brahma >muhurta or the most peaceful time is Pisces which should be before sunrise. >Many astrologers take this to mean 5 ghatika or 2 hours covering the entire >sign of Pisces. However, this is not right and the correct position is only >2 ghatika before sunrise. The one after sunrise is meant for focusing on the >physical body like surya namaskar etc and is given to the Rudra due to the >intense energy. Others feel it should be 2 and half on either side of >sunrise..so many opinions but you did right by sticking to Parasara. >With best regards, >Sanjay Rath >SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India >Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com > >- >"Ajit Krishnan" <astro >"'Sanjay Rath'" <guruji; "'Vedic-Astrology'" ><vedic astrology>; "'Chandrashekhar'" <boxdel >Monday, June 28, 2004 11:39 AM >RE: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE > > >.. hamsasso.aham .. > >Dear Gurudeva & Chandrashekhar, > >Chandrashekhar: Shankaracharya too says tat Brahma Muhurta >is 5 >nadikas before Sunrise and though it could mean about 2 >Hours before Sun rise. . . > >Rath: I agree we should consider all possibilities but in >the older days people were very clear about Brahma Muhurta being the moment >before sunrise. It is only in the post-independance era that people seem to >have forgotten everything and are using these terminology so loosely . . . > >Here is some relevant material: > >maadhaviiye paraashara: suuryodayaat praagardha prahare dvau muhuurtau >tatraadyau braahmaH . dvitiiye raudra .. > >smrtitibhaaskara: raatrestu pashcime yaame muhuurto braahma uchyate . > >ajit > > > > > > > > > > > > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > Links > > > > > > > > Sponsor ---------- ---- vedic astrology/ b.. vedic astrology c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Dear Sanjay, I am aware that in most of Temples archana starts much earlier at around 3.30 or so. Many treat that as Brahma Muhurta, and I had said as much in my first mail. The quote from His Holiness was just to indicate the source of my statement regarding 2 Hr.s , which you had indicated, might not be right. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Sanjay Rath wrote: ::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: Dear Chandrasekhar ji I have already explained the principle behind the five nadikas i.e. Pisces in the natural zodiac cycle. This is fine for any spiritual practise but the vaishnavas of Puri have to get up even earlier for the mangal aarati. With best regards, Sanjay Rath SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com - "Chandrashekhar" <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> "Sanjay Rath" <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> Cc: "'Vedic-Astrology'" <vedic astrology>; "Ajit Krishnan" <astro (AT) mudgala (DOT) com> Wednesday, June 30, 2004 5:43 PM Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE Dear Sanjay, I was repeating what His Holiness Shankaracharya of Kanchi Kamakoti said, since I think he is the highest authority in interpretation of scriptures. I am attaching what he says for your reference. Since all our shastras are interconnected, where some term is not explained by the sage, there is no harm in looking for it in the scriptures and who better than His Holiness to interpret them is what I think. Here is what he says in 19th chapter of Hindu Dharma when speaking of Grihastaashrama. "Let me now speak about a Brahmin's daily religious life according to the shastras. It is indeed a harsh routine. A Brahmins must get up five nadikas <referp19.htm#NADIKA>, or two hours, before sunrise. "Panca -panca-usatkale", so it is said. "Panca-panca" means five*five - "panca-panca usatkale"denotes during the 25th nadika". From sunset to sunrise is 30 nadikas. So a Brahmin must rise during the 25th nadika- from this time to sunrise is "Brahma muhurta". After getting up, he cleans his teeth, bathes in cold water and performs sandhyavandana and japa. Next he goes through aupasana and agnihotra. These rites come under "devayajna", sacrifices to the gods. Next is " Brahmayajna", the daily study and chanting of the Vedas. As part of this rite there are some tarpanas or libations to be offered. (For people following certain sutras these come later). If daytime is divided into eight parts one part would have been over by now." Your comments would be appreciated. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Sanjay Rath wrote: ::om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: Dear Ajit That is the definition I use and did not get into it as it wopuld divert the topic. The definition is derived from the fact that sunrise is akin to the rising of the Kalapurusha and is equated to zero Aries. Then the Brahma muhurta or the most peaceful time is Pisces which should be before sunrise. Many astrologers take this to mean 5 ghatika or 2 hours covering the entire sign of Pisces. However, this is not right and the correct position is only 2 ghatika before sunrise. The one after sunrise is meant for focusing on the physical body like surya namaskar etc and is given to the Rudra due to the intense energy. Others feel it should be 2 and half on either side of sunrise..so many opinions but you did right by sticking to Parasara. With best regards, Sanjay Rath SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com - "Ajit Krishnan" <astro (AT) mudgala (DOT) com> "'Sanjay Rath'" <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com>; "'Vedic-Astrology'" <vedic astrology>; "'Chandrashekhar'" <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Monday, June 28, 2004 11:39 AM RE: Fw: [vedic astrology] LIBRA LAGNA PM VAJPAYEE ... hamsasso.aham .. Dear Gurudeva & Chandrashekhar, Chandrashekhar: Shankaracharya too says tat Brahma Muhurta is 5 nadikas before Sunrise and though it could mean about 2 Hours before Sun rise. . . Rath: I agree we should consider all possibilities but in the older days people were very clear about Brahma Muhurta being the moment before sunrise. It is only in the post-independance era that people seem to have forgotten everything and are using these terminology so loosely . . . Here is some relevant material: maadhaviiye paraashara: suuryodayaat praagardha prahare dvau muhuurtau tatraadyau braahmaH . dvitiiye raudra .. smrtitibhaaskara: raatrestu pashcime yaame muhuurto braahma uchyate . ajit || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||---------- ---- vedic astrology/ b.. vedic astrology c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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