Lord Muruga

May 22, 2004

Dear Ramdasji, Hariji and all,

I know a story (but don't have its source). Looks like its story time in VA list

The story of Kaavadi is more related to Pazhani. Once Sage Agasthiar wanted to

move a hill (If I remember its known as Shiva-Shakti hill) from Kailash

(Himalayas) close to his abode Podigai hill (which is the home of Agasthiar and

considered as origination place of Thamih Language as per Ancient Thamih Sangam

Literature). After getting permission from Lord Shiva he asked Idumban (one of

the guards of Kailash) to move the hill. Idumban took the hill on his shoulder

and started moving towards south. On his way, he felt tired and kept the

mountain to rest for sometime.

At the same time Lord Muruga left Kailash as he was angry against his parents

for not getting the 'fruit' and landed in this mountain. He was convinced by

many people as Pazham (Fruit) -Nee (you) or 'you are the fruit (of wisdom)'.

And so the hill is known as Pazhani (since many pronounce zha as la, its now a

days written as Palani). But Lord muruga can't be convinced and he gave up all

his belongings and stood as saint with Dhandam (or stick) in his hand, and

hence known as DhandAyuThaPaani (Dhandam + Ayutham + Paani = One who owns

Dhandam as his weapon).

Going back to story, After some time of rest Idumban tried to lift the hill and

move, but couldn't do it anymore as Lord Muruga was there. He got angry and

went on fight with the Lord and got killed. Later his wife Idumbi and Agasthiar

worshiped Lord Muruga, and the Lord gave his life back. The place where mountain

stands today is known as ThiruAaviNanKudi one of the 6 holy places of worship

for Lord Muruga (known as AaRuPadai Veedu).

Kaavadi is like an inverted 'U' shaped wooden frame that resembles hill, and

people lift in their shoulder. it may be easily inferred from above story that

Lord Muruga gives new life to people who lift this Kaavadi and climb up the

hill to worship him. This might also be the reason why newly wedded people may

have to do this as they start a new life after marriage.

Hopes this helps.

Best wishes,

Sarath.

-

Ramadas Rao

Hari M

Cc: vedic astrology

Saturday, May 22, 2004 5:53 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re:

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Hari,

Thanks for your mail. Now I wanted to know about Kavadai around Swamimalai. Can

you please elaborate this ?

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Hari M <onlyhari > wrote:

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

Dear Shri Ramadas,

Simply fantastic. Swamimalai is my family deity and you have provided the

answers to the questions I could not ask my father because of his passage from

the Bhuloka. I am delighted beyond words to see this. I have forwarded this to

my mother and will take a printout to study whenever I am praying. Now I want

to ask another question which I have been discussing with Smt Jayashree. It

seems in my family there is a tradition of the newlyweds to carry the kavadai

around Swamimalai. I think this may be done to appease the anger of Mars in my

family (probably unverified but it could be possible that the generations in my

family have a history of kuja dosha). What is your opinion on this quaint

practice? My father was very keen that my elder brother do this immediately

after marriage but I was too young to ask him the questions which I should

have.

Best regards

HariRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Sarbani Ji,

Both Lord Karthikeya or Skanda and Lord Hanumaan are worshipped by men,women and

children. Lord Kaartikeeya is not a Brahmachari as in Shri Subrahmanya Sahasra

Naama Stotra ,it tells that " VALLEESHANAATHA " , He is the consort of

VALLI.This also has been mentioned in all Shloka last lines in Shri

Subrhmanyashtakam which says "VALLEESHANATHA MAMA DeHI KARAAVALAMBAM."I also

visted with family to Swamimalai near Kumbhakonam where Lord Kaartikeeyan

temple is situated.The surprise there is HIS temple is at a higher level and 18

steps are there to reach HIS temple and Lord Shiva's temple is at the ground

level.After worshipping Lord Shiva at the ground level, we have to climb 18

steps to reach Lord Karthikeya temple to worship and all men,women and children

are worshipping HIM.Here I asked the temple priests and the office bearers why

Son's temple is at a higher level than Father.Then they replied me that "once

there was a controversy was going on about the meaning of the word OM and all

Gods were not able to satisfy lord Shiva.Then Lord Karthikeya, son of Lord

Shiva told HIM that he will give the exact meaning of OM but then Lord Shiva

has to bend so that Son Kaartikeya will explain the meaning of OM to HIS

Father's ears. As a result, Lord Shiva stayed at the ground level and after

climbing 18 steps, we can reach Lord Karthikeya temple saying that the meaning

of OM is nothing but its chanting gives MOKSHA to everybody." Also there is a

Mantra " OM SHARAVANABHAVAAYA NAMAH " which if chanted everyday morning and

evening ( During Sun rise and Sun Set )108 times gives not only spiritual

strength but also sharpens the intellect.Another important information is Lord

Kartikeeya or Skanda is also a form of Lord Vishnu which can be seen in Shri

Vishnu Sahasra Naama Stotra Vide Mantra No. 36 which states like this " SKANDAH

SKANDADHARO DHURYO VARADO VAAYUVAAHANAH..... " When we know this,then it is not

wise to tell that Lord Kaartikeeya should not be worshipped by females.

Similarly in my native place of Mangalore, there is a famous temple called

KARANEEKA HANUMANTA TEMPLE where all people irrespective of men,women and

children pray to HIM and get HIS Blessings.Even my Brahmopadesham was performed

in that temple.Also we must bear in mind that Lord Hanumaan is Shiva Amsha.

So by considering all these, I must state that GOD is only one but has different

faces only and this is only satisfy common people like us.Also another thing I

obsereved is that North and South have different types of worships.I feel

sometimes the half learned priests of the temple give these ideas that certail

Gods are not to be worshipped by females etc.etc.As an Astrologer, I dont find

any difference in worship between either Lord Kaarthikeya or Lord Hanumaan.Also

it depends on one's inner mind.Suppose if the Ishta Devatha representing planet

is Kuja, either one can worship lord Kaarthikeya or Lord Hanumaan or simply

Lord Vishnu.No win that particulr chart, we observed that in Navamsha, Kuja in

Vrishabha Rashi is the indicator of Ishta Devatha. Now Vrishabha is a female

sign lorded by Shukra and how come Kuja in such a female sign represent either

Lord Kaarthikeeya or Lord Hanumaan ? Kuja is Agni Tattwa Planet who gives

Shakti or energy and such a planet is Vrishabha Rashi, does it not indicate the

Shakti form of female diety ie., Adi Parashakti or Durga etc. ? As per me we

have to look into the different signs and their characteristics and then come

to a conclusion about any kind of Devatha ie., Ishta Devatha or Palana Devatha

etc.

I hope this helps all.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

Dear Shubhangi,

I agree with you and there is as usual a lot of misinterpretations and improper

reading of mails! Its not a question of "not allow"...its more that Kartikeya

being a brahmachari and god of war, women in general are not advised to worship

Kartikeya. As for Hanuman...just got to north India...specially Delhi...Hanuman

is their guardian angel...the remover of obstacles...for men, women and

children...

Best regards,

Sarbani

Shubhangi Naik [shubhangi_naik (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com] Tuesday, May

18, 2004 2:25 PMonlyhari ; vedic astrology;

sarbani (AT) (DOT) org; ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.inSubject:

Dear Hari,Sarbaniji,Sajjiji,Jayshreeji,Patwardhanji,Ramdasji and all friends,I

thank you all and appreciate all of your help in trying to assist me.It appears

to me that my mail which was basically to clarify the doubts and concerns on

which ishta-detva to be prayed is on the verge of entering into

debate/controversies on kartikeya being whether worshiped by females or not. I

appreciate your having shared the knowledge to the group. But if the same hurts

anyone's feelings even unknowingly/unintentionally is not not right. Sharing

knowledge without hurting anyone's feeling is allright.India is the only

country which has variety of traditions and customs and each people function as

per their tradition and belief. Hence as some of you have already said, it is

better that we dontmake an issue of it and respect each other's beliefs and

traditions - and each ones belief and tradition is supreme to oneself.Coming to

me, let me share with you all my personal experience. I was in school then, i

visited Hanumantemple, the person in charge of that small temple (not pujari)

allowed all males to offer oil to Hanuman but did not allow me and my sister

(as we were the only 2 females present at that time)to offer. He disallowed

saying that Hanuman is celibate and that females are not allowed to offer....I

did not like it and asked him so what if he is celibate he had a mother who was

a female.What i wish to say is that it does not matter whether any particular

God is worshiped by female or not.What matter is to whoever we pray should be

our right ishta-devta...the one who can assist us overcome our problems.Hence

my humble request to you all is to help me find my ishta-devta for Mars.Many

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May 23, 2004

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Sarath,

Oh' That is fantastic. Thanks for your narration on Lord Muruga or Kaarthikeeya and Palani.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Sarath <gsb1008 (AT) HotPOP (DOT) com> wrote: