RE: Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story from Uddhava Gita

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Dear Shubhangi (and Hari),

 

We are taught in our parampara that the the ultimate goal is the paramam padam

or Vishnu. In order to relieve the burden of our sins and lead us towards

moksha; to forgive and protect us at all times; the one in whom we take sharana

in our darkest hour, is the Ishta Devata. We always worship the Ishta Devata as

Vishnu in one of the dasavatar forms as only Vishnu will lead us to moksha, as

he is the ultimate end or satya. The mantras we use for Ishta Devata prarthana

is from the Bhagavat Purana with prefixes of Om Namo Bhagavate...In your case,

Mars as Ishta Devata indicates Nrisimhadeva and the Ishta Mantra for the same

is Om Namo Bhagavate Nrisimhadevaya.

 

Mars when otherwise indicating deities in any of the charts, can represent

Kartikeya, Hanuman or Chamunda. Usually women don't worship Kartikeya, the God

of War, although Subramania Swamy is greatly revered in the south. Hanuman is

very much worshippable as he removes all 'sankata' and removes ugra mangala

doshas. Chamunda, the presiding deity of the Devi Mahatmya, is the goddess who

sits in our hearts and who has the utimate power to deliver even the most

tortured souls roaming the universe. She is the great goddess whom Rama

worshipped with the Chamunda Hrdaya mantra (a navarna mantra which Rama

transformed into a dasakshari by adding pranava) immediately prior to embarking

on his final battle with Ravana. She is trigunatmika, very pure and supremely

divine and she is not associated with black magic. That her immense powers are

invoked for tamasik practices is another matter. For that matter even

Dakshinamurty and Dattatreya are invoked for black magic practices. In fact the

Dattatreya Tantra is one of the worst in such matters.

 

Let me share a story with all of you from the Uddhava Gita. Krishna says that

there are three methods of worship. The first is Satvik, where the focus is

entirely on Krishna (read: Supreme Being in any form) and is utterly without

any purpose or selfish motivation. The second is Rajasik, where the worship is

motivated for selfish purposes be it siddhi, moksha, wealth, knowledge etc. and

the final type is Tamasik, where the worship is motivated for selfish purposes

along with the intention of harming or causing injury to another. Ishta Devata

worship can never be anything else but Satvik...and for that matter all other

worships as well.

 

Best Regards,

 

Sarbani

Shubhangi Naik [shubhangi_naik (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com] Monday, May

17, 2004 11:11 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology]

Ishta-Devta for Mars

Dear Sirs,I have been reading all the mails on Ishta-devtas and Atmakarakas.I

have some queries and concerns regarding ishta-devta for planet Mars.I

understand that hanuman,kartikeya,chamunda-devi and narsimha all represents

mars – except kartikeya all 3 are married in their respective original

forms.All of them except kartikey are incarnations of :Hanuman - shiva Chamunda

- gauri/parvati Narsimha - vishnu Generally Hanuman is not advised because he

never married and is a celibate. If this be than even rest 3 were not married

and also the incarnation was with specific objective or purpose. I pray hanuman

as a representation of mars because know much of hanuman who is worshiped all

over India but have little or no knowledge or information about kartikeya who

is more so famous in south as Subramaniym or Chamunda-devi i know for sure that

her name is used while performing some evil/black-magic kind of and Narsimha is

the one who came to rescue bhakt pralhad.. Also except for hanuman who is also

symbolised as "das" and who assisted Rama to attain his objective..the others

are warrior gods... Generally one would advise to pray kartikeya, chamunda and

narsimha...but how is it possible to pray all for one Mars (since all of them

represents mars) and it would only mean thinking on whether we are praying to a

right devta or not.I request the members to help me clarify my doubts and

concerns.I am enclosing my birth-chart for reference if need be.Is simply

praying ishta-devta and regularly performing pooja enough or one needs to

recite mantras also? If mantras are necessary, may I request to recommend a

mantra to me?I await your response.Thanking you.Regards Shubhangi Archives:

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Om Subrahmanyaya Namah

 

Dear Sarbani Ji,

 

You said :

"Usually women don't worship Kartikeya"

I'm surprised. Reason?

 

One request, while quoting Navakshari mantra and all, please also add

to learn the correct pronunciation from any audio available or from a

Guru. Otherwise no use (geeeti sheekre...). Listening to the mantra

is equally effective so instead of reciting, one can also listen to

it, otherwise it may add upto the stories avaliable like In Devi

Mahatmyaym, instead of `Vrutra pranahare' those pronounced `Putra

pranahare' and instead of ` Baryam rakshtu...' those pronouned `

baryam bakshatu...' had terrible results.(naturally) Even a copy of

Devi Mahatmyam can save one from all problems, hence it's considered

most important, but these kind of casual(No other word comes to my

mind) quoting can prove difficult to atleast a portion of the members

of these groups.

 

Regards,

 

Saaji

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar"

<sarbani@s...> wrote:

> Dear Shubhangi (and Hari),

>

> We are taught in our parampara that the the ultimate goal is the

paramam

> padam or Vishnu. In order to relieve the burden of our sins and

lead us

> towards moksha; to forgive and protect us at all times; the one in

whom we

> take sharana in our darkest hour, is the Ishta Devata. We always

worship the

> Ishta Devata as Vishnu in one of the dasavatar forms as only Vishnu

will

> lead us to moksha, as he is the ultimate end or satya. The mantras

we use

> for Ishta Devata prarthana is from the Bhagavat Purana with

prefixes of Om

> Namo Bhagavate...In your case, Mars as Ishta Devata indicates

Nrisimhadeva

> and the Ishta Mantra for the same is Om Namo Bhagavate

Nrisimhadevaya.

>

> Mars when otherwise indicating deities in any of the charts, can

represent

> Kartikeya, Hanuman or Chamunda. Usually women don't worship

Kartikeya, the

> God of War, although Subramania Swamy is greatly revered in the

south.

> Hanuman is very much worshippable as he removes all 'sankata' and

removes

> ugra mangala doshas. Chamunda, the presiding deity of the Devi

Mahatmya, is

> the goddess who sits in our hearts and who has the utimate power to

deliver

> even the most tortured souls roaming the universe. She is the great

goddess

> whom Rama worshipped with the Chamunda Hrdaya mantra (a navarna

mantra which

> Rama transformed into a dasakshari by adding pranava) immediately

prior to

> embarking on his final battle with Ravana. She is trigunatmika,

very pure

> and supremely divine and she is not associated with black magic.

That her

> immense powers are invoked for tamasik practices is another matter.

For that

> matter even Dakshinamurty and Dattatreya are invoked for black magic

> practices. In fact the Dattatreya Tantra is one of the worst in such

> matters.

>

> Let me share a story with all of you from the Uddhava Gita. Krishna

says

> that there are three methods of worship. The first is Satvik, where

the

> focus is entirely on Krishna (read: Supreme Being in any form) and

is

> utterly without any purpose or selfish motivation. The second is

Rajasik,

> where the worship is motivated for selfish purposes be it siddhi,

moksha,

> wealth, knowledge etc. and the final type is Tamasik, where the

worship is

> motivated for selfish purposes along with the intention of harming

or

> causing injury to another. Ishta Devata worship can never be

anything else

> but Satvik...and for that matter all other worships as well.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

> _____

>

> Shubhangi Naik [shubhangi_naik@r...]

> Monday, May 17, 2004 11:11 AM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Ishta-Devta for Mars

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Sirs,

>

> I have been reading all the mails on Ishta-devtas and Atmakarakas.

>

> I have some queries and concerns regarding ishta-devta for planet

Mars.

>

> I understand that hanuman,kartikeya,chamunda-devi and narsimha all

> represents mars - except kartikeya all 3 are married in their

respective

> original forms.

>

> All of them except kartikey are incarnations of :

> Hanuman - shiva

> Chamunda - gauri/parvati

> Narsimha - vishnu

>

> Generally Hanuman is not advised because he never married and is a

celibate.

> If this be than even rest 3 were not married and also the

incarnation was

> with specific objective or purpose.

>

> I pray hanuman as a representation of mars because know much of

hanuman who

> is worshiped all over India but have little or no knowledge or

information

> about kartikeya who is more so famous in south as Subramaniym or

> Chamunda-devi i know for sure that her name is used while

performing some

> evil/black-magic kind of and Narsimha is the one who came to rescue

bhakt

> pralhad..

>

> Also except for hanuman who is also symbolised as "das" and who

assisted

> Rama to attain his objective..the others are warrior gods...

>

> Generally one would advise to pray kartikeya, chamunda and

narsimha...but

> how is it possible to pray all for one Mars (since all of them

represents

> mars) and it would only mean thinking on whether we are praying to

a right

> devta or not.

>

> I request the members to help me clarify my doubts and concerns.

>

> I am enclosing my birth-chart for reference if need be.

>

> Is simply praying ishta-devta and regularly performing pooja enough

or one

> needs to recite mantras also?

> If mantras are necessary, may I request to recommend a mantra to me?

>

> I await your response.

> Thanking you.

>

> Regards

> Shubhangi

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Hello Sarbani,

 

I have a question regarding your story:

 

 

> Let me share a story with all of you from the Uddhava Gita. Krishna

says

> that there are three methods of worship. The first is Satvik, where

the

> focus is entirely on Krishna (read: Supreme Being in any form) and

is

> utterly without any purpose or selfish motivation. The second is

Rajasik,

> where the worship is motivated for selfish purposes be it siddhi,

moksha,

> wealth, knowledge etc. and the final type is Tamasik, where the

worship is

> motivated for selfish purposes along with the intention of harming

or

> causing injury to another. Ishta Devata worship can never be

anything else

> but Satvik...and for that matter all other worships as well.

 

Do you have any interpretation for "utterly without any purpose or

selfish motivation"? I am searching for insight in this matter. I

think very very hard and seriously about such things, and try and not

take words on face value: It seems to me contradictory that any one

could "worship utterly without purpose or selfish motivation".

Consider this: you are sitting in your home one day, and at a certain

time you decide to "worship without purpose or selfish motivation".

What happened in your mind right before you started worshipping, that

motivated you to start worshipping? Something must have happened

right, otherwise how could you WILLFULLY move from the not-

worshipping state of mind to the worshipping state of mind? Any human

action, physical or mental, no matter how small, starts with a

motivating factor, whether conscious (like the actions we take using

will), or unconscious (like the processes that run in our body - a

beating heart, breathing lungs). What is that motivating factor of

willfull actions if not a desire to move from one state to another

for some reason or the other. It seems to me every action (change in

state) comes from a desire. So if you are truly desireless, then that

state of true desirelessness NECESSARILY implies actionlessness. For

this reason, true Satwik "worship" must mean a state of completely

actionless awareness. You cant "decide" to do Satwik "worship" - the

decision itself is the outcome of a motivation - on the contrary, it

must be a state that is achieved perhaps incrementally when you are

truly desireless - I doubt if in this desireless state you are either

willfully chanting any mantras or willfully focussing on any specific

form of any god/goddess/ishtadevata, because all these would be

actions, and by necessity preceded/motivated/concomitant/accompanied

with desire.

 

All this I conclude simply from logically and honestly

analyzing "utterly without purpose or selfish motivation" i.e. that

is to say, this is not my personal opinion, but a logical consequence

of those words if taken be true.

 

Comments, please,

 

Sundeep