[SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Ayanamsa - Saptamsa example (QUIZ)

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Dear Dhira-ji,

 

The first child is a Male and second child is a female.

The D-7 lagna is at Sg with Mars in it.

Sg is an odd sign, so going zodiacally we get Ar as 5th house. Ar lord Mars

is in Odd sign of Sg indicating male child.

 

For 2nd child, the 7th house is Ge (Female), with Mercury and Venus(Female).

Since Female influence is more the child has to be female.

 

 

I am not quite experienced to analyze what happened with them.

 

Thanks for the quiz and Best regards,

Sarath.

 

 

 

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[vedic astrology] [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Ayanamsa - Saptamsa

example (QUIZ)

 

 

> Dear Vishwanatham,

>

> Hare Rama Krsna!

>

> >You said you are using 48' less than Lahiri ayanamsa? Can you confirm

> >that.

>

> Yes, in JHL5 it would be 48' less, other softwares also give slightly

> different calculations for ayanamsa, which is another factor contributing

> to the "error" in birthtimes.

>

> Let's have an example, yet not one in the category of changing chara

> karaka's. I'll send some like that later, after some more research.

> See the attachment: I rectified the chart of this native (born 24 March

> 1974, Deventer in the Netherlands) from the recorded birthtime of 17:15 to

> 16:58 because of Saptamsa. 1st child born on Trayodasi tithi (JU) 2nd

> child born on Caturthi tithi (Merc), so it becomes obvious that lagna in

> D-7 should be Sag. Then let's ask the question: what happened with his 2

> children and what is their sex?

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

> Jyotishi

> http://www.radhadesh.com

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[Guest guest]

Dear Dhira,

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Interesting case.

 

Taking Lahiri ayanamsa:

 

Saptamsa lagna is Saggitarius, with its lord Jupiter in Libra. 6th

lord Venus is in the 7th with Mercury.The 5th lord of Aries, Mars is

in the Lagna.

 

So first child a male and the second child, possibly a female(could

be premature). But, did the second baby survive?,because the 7th lord

is joined the 6th lord (you mentioned that it as a male chart).

 

Taking 48' off the Lahiri ayanamsa (in JH):

 

Saptamsa Lagna is still Sag, with Mars in it, in exchange with Jup in

Scorpio. 7th lord Mercury is alone in Gemini. The sex of children

would be Male & Female. But there is no involvement of 6th lord with

7th house or lord. Lord of 7th is strong in its own house.So, no

threat to the second baby.

 

(Was the native interested in more children? With Rahu in the 8th and

Mars (badhaka for the natural 5th house in the Lagna), it is

unlikely.But there is parivartana, between Mars & Jupiter!)

 

Pls post what happened.

 

regards

viswanadham

 

vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> Dear Vishwanatham,

>

> Hare Rama Krsna!

>

> >You said you are using 48' less than Lahiri ayanamsa? Can you

confirm

> >that.

>

> Yes, in JHL5 it would be 48' less, other softwares also give

slightly

> different calculations for ayanamsa, which is another factor

contributing

> to the "error" in birthtimes.

>

> Let's have an example, yet not one in the category of changing chara

> karaka's. I'll send some like that later, after some more research.

> See the attachment: I rectified the chart of this native (born 24

March

> 1974, Deventer in the Netherlands) from the recorded birthtime of

17:15 to

> 16:58 because of Saptamsa. 1st child born on Trayodasi tithi (JU)

2nd

> child born on Caturthi tithi (Merc), so it becomes obvious that

lagna in

> D-7 should be Sag. Then let's ask the question: what happened with

his 2

> children and what is their sex?

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

> Jyotishi

> http://www.radhadesh.com

[Guest guest]

Dear Vishwanatham,

 

Hare Rama Krsna!

 

Thanks for your analysis. It is indeed an interesting chart.

 

>(Was the native interested in more children? With Rahu in the 8th and

>Mars (badhaka for the natural 5th house in the Lagna), it is

>unlikely.But there is parivartana, between Mars & Jupiter!)

 

You are right! The native didn't want to have more children after these

two. Note that I recitified the birthtime of this native from about 17:15

to 16:58. That changes the Saptamsa lagna from Capricorn to Sag. I did

this on the basis of tithi of birth of the children (seen from strongest

planet influencing 10th house from 5th and 7th in Saptamsa). 1st child

-trayodasi, 2nd - caturthi.

 

>Pls post what happened.

 

I'll post the result on Thursday, after some more may have contributed.

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

Jyotishi

http://www.radhadesh.com

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Hi All who posted their attempts in solving this puzzle,

 

Hare Rama Krsna!

 

As promised, here is the result of the Quiz:

The native has 2 nice boys, who were born normally, no c-section, no

premature birth. The point is that he has left his wife recently, and is

living now with another girlfriend.

 

So how does this chart explain the 2 boys? All jyotishi who replied this

puzzle said first child boy, 2nd child girl. Some hinted at premature and

c-section, but nothing of this happened.

 

My analysis:

first the rectification which I did, from birthtime 17:15-17:20 which was

recorded, to 16:58. First child was born on Trayodasi tithi - Jupiter

should influence the 10th from the sign giving first child (Aries) and

it's lord. With Capricorn Saptamsa lagna. Ketu in lagna would reverse, so

first child seen from Taurus and 10th from it is Aquarius, hmmm, with

Lahiri it does, plus is conjoined it's lord. Then 2nd child was born on

Caturthi tithi which

is seen from Cancer, 10th is Aries, and Mercury aspects only it's lord.

Perhaps. Yet Sag. lagna has a parivartana yoga with Mars, 12th lord (with

48 less than Lahiri) and so could show the separation from children caused

by the native. Now also with Capricorn D-7 lagna first child lord Venus

would be in 6th with 6th lord, which would at least have caused a

premature birth. Same for the 2nd child in case D-7 lagna is Sag. who then

would conjoin 6th lord as well.

D-7 lagna Capricorn: Sex of the children would be female for the first -

Venus in Gemini (female) with Mercury (could give a male since it is in

own sign), so predominantly female.

for the 2nd Moon in Leo would give a male

D-7 lagna Sag: first child male (Mars in male sign)

2nd child Mercury conjoined Venus would give a female (unless Venus is in

Cancer, which leaves Mercury alone in own sign, which can give a male).

 

timing of childbirth is

first child - June 26, 1999 - 12:38

2nd child - Nov. 19th, 2001 - 00:37

 

Vimsottari dasha running now is Sun-Jupiter or Sun-Saturn. A confusing

case?

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

Jyotishi

http://www.radhadesh.com

http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html

[Guest guest]

Om Krishna Guru

 

Dear Dhira,

 

Thanks for the brain teaser!

 

i have to do more work on finding the sex of the child. It seems like

your ayanamsa (Lahiri minus 48' using JHora) is working. Great!

 

Anything more we can see in this chart, which brings the issue of

Ayanamsa to the fore?

 

regards

viswanadham

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> Hi All who posted their attempts in solving this puzzle,

>

> Hare Rama Krsna!

>

> As promised, here is the result of the Quiz:

> The native has 2 nice boys, who were born normally, no c-section, no

> premature birth. The point is that he has left his wife recently,

and is

> living now with another girlfriend.

>

> So how does this chart explain the 2 boys? All jyotishi who replied

this

> puzzle said first child boy, 2nd child girl. Some hinted at

premature and

> c-section, but nothing of this happened.

>

> My analysis:

> first the rectification which I did, from birthtime 17:15-17:20

which was

> recorded, to 16:58. First child was born on Trayodasi tithi -

Jupiter

> should influence the 10th from the sign giving first child (Aries)

and

> it's lord. With Capricorn Saptamsa lagna. Ketu in lagna would

reverse, so

> first child seen from Taurus and 10th from it is Aquarius, hmmm,

with

> Lahiri it does, plus is conjoined it's lord. Then 2nd child was

born on

> Caturthi tithi which

> is seen from Cancer, 10th is Aries, and Mercury aspects only it's

lord.

> Perhaps. Yet Sag. lagna has a parivartana yoga with Mars, 12th lord

(with

> 48 less than Lahiri) and so could show the separation from children

caused

> by the native. Now also with Capricorn D-7 lagna first child lord

Venus

> would be in 6th with 6th lord, which would at least have caused a

> premature birth. Same for the 2nd child in case D-7 lagna is Sag.

who then

> would conjoin 6th lord as well.

> D-7 lagna Capricorn: Sex of the children would be female for the

first -

> Venus in Gemini (female) with Mercury (could give a male since it

is in

> own sign), so predominantly female.

> for the 2nd Moon in Leo would give a male

> D-7 lagna Sag: first child male (Mars in male sign)

> 2nd child Mercury conjoined Venus would give a female (unless Venus

is in

> Cancer, which leaves Mercury alone in own sign, which can give a

male).

>

> timing of childbirth is

> first child - June 26, 1999 - 12:38

> 2nd child - Nov. 19th, 2001 - 00:37

>

> Vimsottari dasha running now is Sun-Jupiter or Sun-Saturn. A

confusing

> case?

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

> Jyotishi

> http://www.radhadesh.com

> http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html

[Guest guest]

Dear Vishwanatham,

 

Hare Rama Krsna!

 

Thanks for your nice comment.

 

I'll have a look and see for some other indications from this chart,

regarding ayanamsa. One interesting thing is that Sun becomes debilitated

in Navamsa lagna, and Sun maha-dasha hasn't been a happy time for his

marriage. Just when Sun-Saturn came, he broke up with the marriage and is

living now with another girlfriend whom he met at work.

 

Another interesting chart is attached here. This native died recently by

falling from the roof of his house. If you see Shoola dasha, it starts

from 7th house, and the 5th dasha of Aquarius gives death. How is it when

AK Sun aspects in Rasi dristi and so should have protected the native? But

when Mercury becomes AK (Sun in Scorpio) it will not protect, as it is

acting as the Rudra as well - 6th lord and in Marana Karaka Sthana from

lagna. So should Sun be in Scorpio? What does it indicate for his child?

Is Lahiri right here?

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

Jyotishi

http://www.radhadesh.com

http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html

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