Guest guest Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Dear Members Here are some humble thoughts(sorry for this non-astrological post but if we had the charts of different political parties/major organizations then we could confirm the following well known things, mentioned below): Indian Election results have shown a clear cut secret agreement between Congress and the Communists(two groups with completely different ideologies, which will cause deep conflicts in the future at every major decision taken by New Govt.). So instead of looking at the charts of leaders, we should look at the charts of these two/three parties/organizations(congress and communist parties), which will be involved in future. The Left/Communists will never join the new govt. otherwise they will loose their control and as per my info. the left has always controlled trade unions and industrial unions i.e, they have always been more powerful outside the parliament than inside, but controlled the industrial policies during the 1970's and 1980's even when Cong. govts were in power. So they are neither the King's trusted caretakers nor in the King's battalion but rather the King's controllers/king makers(the so called mysterious hands) and I think they love to do so. Also astrologically speaking , it was no so easy to focus on Sonia Gandhi's chart, since she was never declared as a PM candidate. So at least the BJP and NDA had openly declared their PM candidate and they can take consolation in that. Its more or less like Julius Caesar being declared the leader in the Parliament in Royal style and making sure that there is no Brutus this time..Anyway everything is fair in love and war … Indian Elections are more like war and less about democracy or real issues and so they are mostly focused on personalities. Had she been an openly declared PM candidate the results might have been different ( a clear cut victory or clear defeat.. now we will never know the real truth in people's minds), but they all played their tricky roles in the complex chess like game of politics, like great conspirators and the public was simply confused and actually voted for everybody ( a fractured verdict really speaking).. Anyway future will tell whether such strange bedfellows like Congress and Communists can actually carry on developments and reforms, or simply fall into the 1970's paradigm of delayed decisions , frustrations and desperations to hold on to power at all costs!. Do we have these charts? At least I have learnt that the pre-election conspiracies and the post election-complex relationships between parties are more critical thesedays, after the elections and these things should be proven astrologically in the charts of various parties. (Did the people ever understand that all their chosen representatives will actually be involved in bargaining for power and benefits for themselves rather than have any common minimum programme, which is still missing humourously speaking while the left's daunting wish list is increasing and can jeoparidize all decisions of New govt!!! Soon all coalition partners will have their own wish lists and so the New PM is going to decide whether she will be executing her party's agenda or simply fighting for the sake of the survival of her govt by bowing to all wishlist type demands…I wish if all this could be seen astrologically in various charts…we already know the likely outcome even without astrology…it will be total chaos unless some magic mantra comes up… good luck to all and God Bless India.) Thanks and Regards RMK Well I was really unaware of the attached article in the email chain….Well after reading the article by Mr. Anshu, he had already predicted this conspiracy thing…that's great… "The transit position of the three malefic planets Mars, Saturn and Rahu in > the lagna/ascendant and the adjoining houses, namely second and twelfth, in > the independence chart of India do not assure the well being for the nation > during the run up period as well as the elections. The ascendant of the > nation is afflicted by Mars while being in a strong paap-kartari yoga being > hemmed between dire malefics Saturn and Rahu. > > The political situation is as fluid as can be and is likely to reach melting > points in the coming weeks. The alliance in power, as well as the opposition > parties/groups is in a constant secret huddle of sorts in a bid to out do > the other. It is likely to remain a conspiracy like scenario for the coming > weeks as each formation does its best to assure itself of the magic numbers"… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Dear Mr. Sahni I also wish to put on record that Mr. Anshumalee Sood has discussed about his article (currently in discussion) over phone with me about 15 days ahead of the election results. I requested him to forward this article to me also - which he did, but only a day before the election results. I forwarded this article to "Jyotish-list" (jyotish- list) on the day of election results. He is well known to me since last 7-8 years and we have occasional telephonic conversations. Mr. sood is an authority on Chirapakshiya Pratipada Charts and has done some marvellous predictions based on this technique. Though, the Elections Indis-2004 prediction was unpublished, his other previous predictions were published in internationally circulated Vedic-astrology magazine much ahead of the actual events. Best regards, Shyaam Sunder Kansal http://www.vjyotish.com vedic astrology, "Inder Jit Sahni" <isawhney@g...> wrote: > Dear Sushmita , > The article was with incomplete information, i do to the Vedic Astrology, it is always in favor of the writer to disclose every thing. As I told Anshu and me are personaly known to each other but i do not read this article in the magzuine in which he generaly write, this will be good for all.We respect each other , and if you had forwarded it this is ok for me. > > With Best Wishes, > Inder Jit Sahni, House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1 > Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360 > hanskpvedic > > - > Sushmita S > vedic astrology > Cc: vedicastro@h... > Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:50 PM > Re: FW: FW: [vedic astrology] Indian Elections 2004 > > > Dear Mr. Sawhney and Chandrashekhar, > I never claimed that Anshu had published this in Vedic Astro mag, since I am not a r to that as of now, and wouldn't know if he published it in the mag. Before the results of the election he had sent me his article, which I forwarded to the list with his permission. The article was sent before the results was out. > I am ccing this letter to Anshu and if he wishes he might reply to you. I don't think so he is a member of his list. > Anyone who wishes to get in touch with Anshu his email id is vedicastro@h... I hope Anshu this is ok for me to divulge your id without your permission. I have been receiving letters asking for your email id after I posted your article. > > Kind regards, > > Sushmita > > P.S: Mr. VB and Sanjay Agarwal, I refuse to reply back to your replies as the truth is known by most members of the list and I have received mails thanking me to stand up against you. I do not wish to pursue any discussion on this subject > > Sunil John <suniljohn@s...> wrote: > Sush, u better answer this, before you leave for Bangalore, tried calling on ur cell but it was switched off I think. > > > > Best > > Sunil > > > > > inder_jit_sahni [isawhney@g...] > Saturday, May 15, 2004 11:12 AM > vedic astrology > Re: FW: [vedic astrology] Indian Elections 2004 > > > > I am personaly known to Anshu, > He write for Vedic Astrology Magazine, > I did not see this article on the magazine , it comes out from the > Sky when cat was out. It does not appear in any where before. > With Best Wishes > vedic astrology, "Sunil John" > <suniljohn@s...> wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > If u read the post given earlier, it does mention a name called > Anshumalee, > > u mentioned a name Anshu, so I presume u and Sush a are speaking > about the > > same person. In my personal interaction with Sush, she said she is > daily in > > touch with this person Anshumalee who is from Delhi and is a > senior person > > who lectures a lot and came back from US recently. > > > > If he is ur friend Chandrashekharji, can u extend an invitation to > him to > > come to this list and write sometimes, VA list has the max members > in > > and a senior member like him here would profit > everyone . > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sunil > > > > Sushmita S [sushmita34] > > Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:10 AM > > gjlist > > Cc: vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Indian Elections 2004 > > > > Dear List members, > > This article had come to me some time back and I have the authors > permission > > to send it to various lists. The author is a senior member of the > > astrological community. His name is Anshumaleeji. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sushmita > > > > > > > > INDIAN ELECTIONS 2004 > > > > > > > > > > BACKGROUND > > > > The General Elections 2004 announced yesterday being held ahead of > schedule > > comes as no surprise at all. That this was round the corner was > apparent > > based on the Chaitra Shukla Pratipada chart for the country for > 2004. This > > has been discussed at length by the author in an earlier issue of > Vedic > > Astrology. > > > > Chaitra Shukla Chart for India > > > > For India, the chart is for 21st of March 2004, 04:11:17 AM at > Delhi. The > > Ascendant is Capricorn having no planets posited and not aspected > by any > > planet. Sun and Moon having the eighth and seventh lordship > respectively are > > in friendly sign Pisces in the third house along with debilitated > Mercury > > having the sixth and ninth lordship. Yogkaraka Venus having the > fifth and > > tenth lordship is placed in the fourth house Aries along with Rahu. > > Therefore Ketu is in the tenth house Libra. Fifth house Taurus has > the > > planet Mars having the eleventh and fourth lordship. Lagna and > second lord > > Saturn is placed in the sixth house Gemini. Jupiter being the > third and > > twelfth lord is placed in the eighth house Leo in retrogression. > > > > The obvious indications were that the Lok Sabha will not be in > existence as > > the above date approaches. > > > > Further the tenth house representing the government/formation in > power is > > afflicted due to presence of Ketu. The fourth house representing > the > > opposition is afflicted due to the presence of Rahu indicating > general > > confusion in the ranks. The saving grace however is the presence > of benefic > > Venus as well as a trinal aspect of Jupiter. These factors > indicate that the > > opposition is likely to gain during the current year. > > > > > > PERSPECTIVE > > > > The electi on comes at a time when the planetary placements are not > conducive > > to the same. The possibility of violence, terrorist threat and > possibly even > > communal clash loom large. > > > > Independence Chart for India > > > > The chart used for India is that of the Indian Independence Day: > August 15, > > 1947 at 00:00 hours, time zone +5:30, New Delhi, India, 28N39, > 077E13. The > > Ascendant is Taurus 07:44. Rahu is 05:44 in the Lagna. Mars is > 07:27 Gemini > > in the second house. Apart from Jupiter, which is 25:52 Libra in > sixth house > > and Ketu, which is in Scorpio in the seventh house, all the > remaining > > planets are in Cancer, the third house. The respective positions > are Moon > > 03:59, Mercury 13:41, Saturn 20:28, Venu s 22:34 and Sun 27:59. All > the > > planets are in direct motion apart from RKA, which is in its normal > > retrograde motion. None of the planets are either exalted or > debilitated. > > Moon is in own sign. The conglomeration of five planets in Cancer, > third > > house makes for some interesting combinations and Kendra Trikona > Rajyogas. > > Atma Karaka (Sun), Putra Karaka (Mercury) who is also the fifth > lord and > > Dara Karaka (Moon) give rise to many Jaimini Rajyogas too. > > > > The transit position of the three malefic planets Mars, Saturn and > Rahu in > > the lagna/ascendant and the adjoining houses, namely second and > twelfth, in > > the independence chart of India do not assure the well being for > the nation > > during the run up period as well as the elections. The ascendant > of the > > nation is afflicted by Mars while being in a strong paap- kartari > yoga being > > hemmed between dire malefics Saturn and Rahu. > > > > The political situation is as fluid as can be and is likely to > reach melting > > points in the coming weeks. The alliance in power, as well as the > opposition > > parties/groups is in a constant secret huddle of sorts in a bid to > out do > > the other. It is likely to remain a conspiracy like scenario for > the coming > > weeks as each formation does its best to assure itself of the > magic numbers > > in the forthcoming Lok Sabha. > > > > As the election dates approach the scenario is likely to get > murkier and > > murkier. The apparent strength of t he ruling alliance is perhaps > > overestimated in the present and this will keep becoming clearer > with > > passing days, as well as the fact that the oppositions apparent > > weakness/lack of cohesion and the ability to put up a fight has > been > > underestimated in the present. > > > > Without doubt there are a number of factors in favour of the > alliance in > > power. It would indeed not be prudent to underestimate the > opposition. > > Therefore the need of the hour is to be wary of complacency in > order to > > avoid any unpleasant surprises in the polls outcome. > > > > The planetary positions are likely to have a significant effect on > the > > contours of the various political formations in the arena. It is > more than > > ; likely that the constituents in the alliances are different after > the > > elections from the ones that were present in the pre election > period. > > > > > > ELECTION DATES & ECLIPSE > > > > The proposed elections are spread over four phases to be held on > 20th and > > 26th in the month of April and on the 5th and 10th in the month of > May. The > > time of announcement of elections is indicative of the need for > possible > > revision and/or rescheduling of the dates. > > > > On the night of 4th / 5th of May a significant astrological > phenomenon is > > occurring in the form of a total lunar eclipse. > > > > The eclipse is visible throughout Asia including India and > therefore assumes > > added significance. The solar eclipse on 19th of April is not > significant as > > it is not visible in India. > > > > The lunar eclipse is occurring while Moon is transiting Libra sign > (rashi) > > and Vishakha constellation (nakshatra). Such an eclipse is said to > be > > pernicious for the populace at large while threatening deaths, > possibly also > > of some renowned and illustrious personality in public life. > > > > An eclipse has an impact on mundane events and the impact is not > positive. > > The eclipse is happening midway through the election process. > Possible > > effect in the present can be the postponement of some election > dates due to > > unforeseen and unexpected developments. > > > > > > > > OUTCOME > > > > The outcome of the election is expected to be very close indeed. > The claim > > to the coveted seat of power is likely to be within striking > distance of > > more than one group. 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Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Dear Shyam Sunder Ji, I don't put doubt on any body, stretching this issue will not favor the writer instead, i showed only my ignorance and style of appearing of the article, which does not favor to us as well as to the writer.So better close this where it is. I am going to upload(this is 10 mob it will take time) my scanning of news paper clippings in my group (of which you are also a respected member as well as dear Anshu)which refer to these Elections well before any body could dare to say. Dated 6.10.1999 Pilot a local News Paper .This was the day when polling was over and results started coming in. My this prediction was sent thrice to Punjab Kesri , but they printed the same after the results were out.(as I can see today that media only use the astrologers to earn heavily from their favored Politicians). The news is in Hindi , I think you can well read it. It announces that BJP along with its allies will take sufficient seats to form Govt and this Govt will run at least till April 2003. ( This was predicted at odd hours when astrologers were saying that this Govt will run maximum for one or two years.)This further says that after April 2003 in the Election the Congress will come along with his alliance party. BJP or Congress will not be able to win independently any election before 2011 to form GOVT. Another important print is 10.4.1997 , it reads about DEVGODA GOVT that a new alliance will come into shape nearing 28th April 1997 which will run upto March 1998 from which BJP will take for at least upto 2003 , after which will begin the rise of Nehru family and young blood of Nehru family will rise. Next is the clipping of Punjab Kesri dated 17.10.1999 which discussed the oath chart and various other charts and give total account of BJP rule till 2003, it predicts Kargil war , times of allegation of Corruption on BJP,Health times for Vajpyee, Indo America relations, and for Congress to gain after April 2003 rise of Nehru family , it refer to a period action of which will cause fall of BJP and rise of Congress , tally this with BJp forming alliances with Jai Lalita. This give detailed astrological causes of every thing , the only part which does not display any astrological cause is about my words that Sonia will not become Indian Prime Minister , which were biased and may prove wrong, but see on all other aspects every thing has been proved by time. I was not printed in Media this time , but look as an astrologer , i predicted Neck to Neck for BJP and Congress , they both are in the range of 140 plus minus ; i predicted congress may have difficulty on PM issue, what does this mean , it mean that Congress will be in the position to form GOVT. I wrote that BJP is falling Congress is rising. Don't look at the things as a lay man; but tell me where i am proved wrong astrologically. With Best wishes, Inder Jit Sahni, House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1 Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360 hanskpvedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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