RE:--RE: Re:--Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story from Uddhava Gita----->Sarbaniji

[Guest guest]

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

 

Dear Sarbaniji,

 

Many thanks for reply!!

I have not replied only to your mail, but I take rfference of your mail in

writting to Subhangiji and Saajiji just to show how people from different Desha

have different traditions!! Plus just before sending my mail there is Tushar's

mail!! This shows how people can act when one says that their ISHTA is used in

black magic!! That's the imotional reply from Tushar side!! Earlier I've not

written single word about it but I'll say atleast Tushar has expressed his

views openly!! So one can understand how others may feel about it!! Samely it

happens with Saajiji (Kartikeya -- Rajas Guna ) So this shows my points are

very clear! Don't you think so?

 

So I think I should reply considering all the mails which I saw on list even

thouh when I wrote to particular person?

And also I have ask for opinions how same diety is Ishta for someone and same

diety will be Phalan (or Paalan) Devta to someone else then how bijas & mantras

should be corelated? I know some have opinion , this subject is not for open

discussion but when SJC say with charts you can go for mantras then you should

make this all clear to all of us !!

I'll say half knowledge (Given to others not yours) is more dangerous!! Same way

what if Amatyakarka is placed in 11h in navamsa chart? Then Phalan Devta will

also give strength to Khaaresh? Should we consider that part? So many questions

I've seen on list and with personal mails also!! So Sarbaniji rather than

arguing without any conclusions , it should be helpful situation for all.

But any way thanks for writting back !! Only thing is pls write somthing which

is not known to all!! This is a request!!

 

 

"Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...> Wed May 19, 2004 11:10 pmSubject:

RE: [vedic astrology] Re:--Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story from Uddhava

Gita

 

 

Dear Vinay and others,

 

I could not respond earlier as my internet connection earlier...but I think all

of you are missing a subtle point I have been trying to make. Or perhaps

everyone do not read mails properly. I don't think there is any question about

the fact that Dattatreya is the highest guru...he is the amsha of Brahma,

Vishnu and Maheshwar. Hence, when people indulge in the worst tamasik practices

with the highest of gurus like Dattatreya and Dakshinamurty...then what can one

of say others. The point is, the deity is not tamasik...the method of worship

is satvik or tamasik or rajasik. I agree with your regional pluralism overview

very much...but if Skanda Purana says something, I will tend to adhere by what

it says.

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] Tuesday, May

18, 2004 11:46 AMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology]

Re:--Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story from Uddhava Gita

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

 

Dear Saajiji,Shubhangiji,

 

I go through your reply to Shubhangiji and your point is also very clear!! You

have given the reference of Skanda Purana which is also very true!! But being

Maharashtrian I should told you about our tradition!

In Maharadhtra, women are not allowded to do the Darshana of Kartikeya except

Kartik Purnima (When Krittika Star is there) !! So I think as we live in India,

in every state or even in districts we may have diff. traditions to follow!! So

I think every one should follow his own tradtion as

" Swadharme Nidhanam Shreya Pardharmo Bhayavah"

Also in Pyagnyavivardhan stotra which is recommended for students of any stream

even for Jyotishas(REF: -Skanda Purana ) Shri Kartikeya is termed as "

Brahmachari ShikhiDwaja" in Second Sloka!! So what is Brahmachari?

So what I mean to say is if everyone follows his/her own tradition it will be

better !! Because Sthala,Kaala,Sthithi will change for every one every time!!

Like Sarbaniji says Shri Dattatreya Tantra is worst used in Black magic!! As

She is more knowledgeble and I'm unaware in Tantras, the only part Vedha Diksha

is known openly But in Maharashtra many are considering Devi's utilisation is

worst in Tantra for Black Magic & Shri Dattatreya is the most pious and He's

above all as He includes not only Vishnu but Brahma & Rudra also!! ( There are

various forms of Shri Dattatreya Ekmukhi, Trimukhi , Satguru of all Gurus, etc)

Also in Maharashtra there is Shakti Pitha of Renuka Or Ekvira at Mahur and

exactly oposite to Shri Datta Aashrama !! And consider that Shri Parshurama get

the Tripura Rahasya from Shri Dattatreya & destroy the Kshatriyas for 21times!

He's requested by Mata to do agni samskara of Jamadagni who is consider as

Shiva!! So every one will have his opinion as per the tradition he is brought

up!!

So ultimately every one is having his different traditions and on remedial part

or fixing diety is not so easy if we consider tradition also!! Now coming to

your part on fixing diety first of all we should consider the Gunas in every

diety!! Like Shri Narsimha is ugra devata, Skanda is Rajasik Devata as consider

as Devsenapathi and Hanumanji is Das or total surrender so most Satwik!! So I

think with different dieties (Like Ishta,Phalan,Guru,Dharma etc. ) we are

having different Guna associated so Considering this part one should select

appropriate Diety!! And this will interprete as per tradition!

So keep Your Viveka to find Diety !! All the best to all of you & may get bless

from your beloved dieties!!

And Lastly I 'll like to quote which is the ultimate every has to achieve in his

births or series of birth is :--

 

" Na Punyam Na Paapam, Na Saukhyam Na Dukham

Na Mantro Na Tirtham, Na Veda Na Yagnya

Aham Bhojanam Naiva Bhojyam Na Bhoktaa

ChidanadaRupah Shivo-ham Shivo-ham"

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[Guest guest]

Dear Vinay,

 

I sent you a mail, but that might have gone to your personal mail id.

 

Best Regards,

 

Saaji

 

 

vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay"

<patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:

> ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

>

> Dear Sarbaniji,

>

> Many thanks for reply!!

> I have not replied only to your mail, but I take rfference of your

mail in writting to Subhangiji and Saajiji just to show how people

from different Desha have different traditions!! Plus just before

sending my mail there is Tushar's mail!! This shows how people can

act when one says that their ISHTA is used in black magic!! That's

the imotional reply from Tushar side!! Earlier I've not written

single word about it but I'll say atleast Tushar has expressed his

views openly!! So one can understand how others may feel about it!!

Samely it happens with Saajiji (Kartikeya -- Rajas Guna ) So this

shows my points are very clear! Don't you think so?

>

> So I think I should reply considering all the mails which I saw on

list even thouh when I wrote to particular person?

> And also I have ask for opinions how same diety is Ishta for

someone and same diety will be Phalan (or Paalan) Devta to someone

else then how bijas & mantras should be corelated? I know some have

opinion , this subject is not for open discussion but when SJC say

with charts you can go for mantras then you should make this all

clear to all of us !!

> I'll say half knowledge (Given to others not yours) is more

dangerous!! Same way what if Amatyakarka is placed in 11h in navamsa

chart? Then Phalan Devta will also give strength to Khaaresh? Should

we consider that part? So many questions I've seen on list and with

personal mails also!! So Sarbaniji rather than arguing without any

conclusions , it should be helpful situation for all.

> But any way thanks for writting back !! Only thing is pls write

somthing which is not known to all!! This is a request!!

>

>

>

> --

------------

>

> "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>

> Wed May 19, 2004 11:10 pm

> RE: [vedic astrology] Re:--Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars

and a Story from Uddhava Gita

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Vinay and others,

>

> I could not respond earlier as my internet connection

earlier...but I think all of you are missing a subtle point I have

been trying to make. Or perhaps everyone do not read mails properly.

I don't think there is any question about the fact that Dattatreya is

the highest guru...he is the amsha of Brahma, Vishnu and Maheshwar.

Hence, when people indulge in the worst tamasik practices with the

highest of gurus like Dattatreya and Dakshinamurty...then what can

one of say others. The point is, the deity is not tamasik...the

method of worship is satvik or tamasik or rajasik. I agree with your

regional pluralism overview very much...but if Skanda Purana says

something, I will tend to adhere by what it says.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

>

>

> --

------

> patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay@h...]

> Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:46 AM

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re:--Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a

Story from Uddhava Gita

>

>

> ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

>

> Dear Saajiji,Shubhangiji,

>

> I go through your reply to Shubhangiji and your point is also

very clear!! You have given the reference of Skanda Purana which is

also very true!! But being Maharashtrian I should told you about our

tradition!

> In Maharadhtra, women are not allowded to do the Darshana of

Kartikeya except Kartik Purnima (When Krittika Star is there) !! So I

think as we live in India, in every state or even in districts we may

have diff. traditions to follow!! So I think every one should follow

his own tradtion as

> " Swadharme Nidhanam Shreya Pardharmo Bhayavah"

> Also in Pyagnyavivardhan stotra which is recommended for

students of any stream even for Jyotishas(REF: -Skanda Purana ) Shri

Kartikeya is termed as " Brahmachari ShikhiDwaja" in Second Sloka!!

So what is Brahmachari?

> So what I mean to say is if everyone follows his/her own

tradition it will be better !! Because Sthala,Kaala,Sthithi will

change for every one every time!! Like Sarbaniji says Shri Dattatreya

Tantra is worst used in Black magic!! As She is more knowledgeble and

I'm unaware in Tantras, the only part Vedha Diksha is known openly

But in Maharashtra many are considering Devi's utilisation is worst

in Tantra for Black Magic & Shri Dattatreya is the most pious and

He's above all as He includes not only Vishnu but Brahma & Rudra

also!! ( There are various forms of Shri Dattatreya Ekmukhi,

Trimukhi , Satguru of all Gurus, etc) Also in Maharashtra there is

Shakti Pitha of Renuka Or Ekvira at Mahur and exactly oposite to Shri

Datta Aashrama !! And consider that Shri Parshurama get the Tripura

Rahasya from Shri Dattatreya & destroy the Kshatriyas for 21times!

He's requested by Mata to do agni samskara of Jamadagni who is

consider as Shiva!! So every one will have his opinion as per the

tradition he is brought up!!

> So ultimately every one is having his different traditions

and on remedial part or fixing diety is not so easy if we consider

tradition also!! Now coming to your part on fixing diety first of all

we should consider the Gunas in every diety!! Like Shri Narsimha is

ugra devata, Skanda is Rajasik Devata as consider as Devsenapathi and

Hanumanji is Das or total surrender so most Satwik!! So I think with

different dieties (Like Ishta,Phalan,Guru,Dharma etc. ) we are having

different Guna associated so Considering this part one should select

appropriate Diety!! And this will interprete as per tradition!

> So keep Your Viveka to find Diety !! All the best to all of

you & may get bless from your beloved dieties!!

> And Lastly I 'll like to quote which is the ultimate every

has to achieve in his births or series of birth is :--

>

> " Na Punyam Na Paapam, Na Saukhyam Na Dukham

> Na Mantro Na Tirtham, Na Veda Na Yagnya

> Aham Bhojanam Naiva Bhojyam Na Bhoktaa

> ChidanadaRupah Shivo-ham Shivo-ham"

[Guest guest]

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

 

Dear Sajiji,

 

I do respect your views and modest opinion !!

I think your mail is written to list but it comes to my personal mail box !!

I don't know the particular reasons besides Brahmachari part!!

So if you find anything interesting pls write back!!

 

Thanx a lot again and Best Wishes,

 

Vinay

 

 

-

saaji kulangara <saajik

patwardhanvinay <patwardhanvinay

Friday, May 21, 2004 2:42 PM

RE:--RE: [vedic astrology] Re:--Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story

from Uddhava Gita----->Sarbaniji

 

 

> Dear Vinayji,

>

> Thanks a lot for all your posts to me and believe me, I have

> understood all your points. Actually I was looking for any incidents

> etc connected to this, (I believe that for everything there should be

> a sound logic) as far as I know, I was well on my point. How

> something becomes a trdition is, there should be some incidents etc

> connected to it. The 'Brahmachari' part may be the reason, coupled

> with any other factors! Anyway the matter has gone to other topics

> and I am still at the same spot :-)

>

> Since you wrote I can atleast believe that, that's the tradition

> there!

>

> Thanx a lot again and Best Wishes,

>

> Saaji

>

> vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay"

> <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:

> > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> >

> > Dear Sarbaniji,

> >

> > Many thanks for reply!!

> > I have not replied only to your mail, but I take rfference of your

> mail in writting to Subhangiji and Saajiji just to show how people

> from different Desha have different traditions!! Plus just before

> sending my mail there is Tushar's mail!! This shows how people can

> act when one says that their ISHTA is used in black magic!! That's

> the imotional reply from Tushar side!! Earlier I've not written

> single word about it but I'll say atleast Tushar has expressed his

> views openly!! So one can understand how others may feel about it!!

> Samely it happens with Saajiji (Kartikeya -- Rajas Guna ) So this

> shows my points are very clear! Don't you think so?

> >

> > So I think I should reply considering all the mails which I saw on

> list even thouh when I wrote to particular person?

> > And also I have ask for opinions how same diety is Ishta for

> someone and same diety will be Phalan (or Paalan) Devta to someone

> else then how bijas & mantras should be corelated? I know some have

> opinion , this subject is not for open discussion but when SJC say

> with charts you can go for mantras then you should make this all

> clear to all of us !!

> > I'll say half knowledge (Given to others not yours) is more

> dangerous!! Same way what if Amatyakarka is placed in 11h in navamsa

> chart? Then Phalan Devta will also give strength to Khaaresh? Should

> we consider that part? So many questions I've seen on list and with

> personal mails also!! So Sarbaniji rather than arguing without any

> conclusions , it should be helpful situation for all.

> > But any way thanks for writting back !! Only thing is pls write

> somthing which is not known to all!! This is a request!!

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> ------------

> >

> > "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>

> > Wed May 19, 2004 11:10 pm

> > RE: [vedic astrology] Re:--Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars

> and a Story from Uddhava Gita

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Vinay and others,

> >

> > I could not respond earlier as my internet connection

> earlier...but I think all of you are missing a subtle point I have

> been trying to make. Or perhaps everyone do not read mails properly.

> I don't think there is any question about the fact that Dattatreya is

> the highest guru...he is the amsha of Brahma, Vishnu and Maheshwar.

> Hence, when people indulge in the worst tamasik practices with the

> highest of gurus like Dattatreya and Dakshinamurty...then what can

> one of say others. The point is, the deity is not tamasik...the

> method of worship is satvik or tamasik or rajasik. I agree with your

> regional pluralism overview very much...but if Skanda Purana says

> something, I will tend to adhere by what it says.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Sarbani

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> ------

> > patwardhanvinay [patwardhanvinay@h...]

> > Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:46 AM

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Re:--Re:Ishta-Devta for Mars and a

> Story from Uddhava Gita

> >

> >

> > ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> >

> > Dear Saajiji,Shubhangiji,

> >

> > I go through your reply to Shubhangiji and your point is also

> very clear!! You have given the reference of Skanda Purana which is

> also very true!! But being Maharashtrian I should told you about our

> tradition!

> > In Maharadhtra, women are not allowded to do the Darshana of

> Kartikeya except Kartik Purnima (When Krittika Star is there) !! So I

> think as we live in India, in every state or even in districts we may

> have diff. traditions to follow!! So I think every one should follow

> his own tradtion as

> > " Swadharme Nidhanam Shreya Pardharmo Bhayavah"

> > Also in Pyagnyavivardhan stotra which is recommended for

> students of any stream even for Jyotishas(REF: -Skanda Purana ) Shri

> Kartikeya is termed as " Brahmachari ShikhiDwaja" in Second Sloka!!

> So what is Brahmachari?

> > So what I mean to say is if everyone follows his/her own

> tradition it will be better !! Because Sthala,Kaala,Sthithi will

> change for every one every time!! Like Sarbaniji says Shri Dattatreya

> Tantra is worst used in Black magic!! As She is more knowledgeble and

> I'm unaware in Tantras, the only part Vedha Diksha is known openly

> But in Maharashtra many are considering Devi's utilisation is worst

> in Tantra for Black Magic & Shri Dattatreya is the most pious and

> He's above all as He includes not only Vishnu but Brahma & Rudra

> also!! ( There are various forms of Shri Dattatreya Ekmukhi,

> Trimukhi , Satguru of all Gurus, etc) Also in Maharashtra there is

> Shakti Pitha of Renuka Or Ekvira at Mahur and exactly oposite to Shri

> Datta Aashrama !! And consider that Shri Parshurama get the Tripura

> Rahasya from Shri Dattatreya & destroy the Kshatriyas for 21times!

> He's requested by Mata to do agni samskara of Jamadagni who is

> consider as Shiva!! So every one will have his opinion as per the

> tradition he is brought up!!

> > So ultimately every one is having his different traditions

> and on remedial part or fixing diety is not so easy if we consider

> tradition also!! Now coming to your part on fixing diety first of all

> we should consider the Gunas in every diety!! Like Shri Narsimha is

> ugra devata, Skanda is Rajasik Devata as consider as Devsenapathi and

> Hanumanji is Das or total surrender so most Satwik!! So I think with

> different dieties (Like Ishta,Phalan,Guru,Dharma etc. ) we are having

> different Guna associated so Considering this part one should select

> appropriate Diety!! And this will interprete as per tradition!

> > So keep Your Viveka to find Diety !! All the best to all of

> you & may get bless from your beloved dieties!!

> > And Lastly I 'll like to quote which is the ultimate every

> has to achieve in his births or series of birth is :--

> >

> > " Na Punyam Na Paapam, Na Saukhyam Na Dukham

> > Na Mantro Na Tirtham, Na Veda Na Yagnya

> > Aham Bhojanam Naiva Bhojyam Na Bhoktaa

> > ChidanadaRupah Shivo-ham Shivo-ham"

>

>