Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Arial"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Dear Mr. Mohan, 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:blue"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Very nicely explained article by you and things have become more clear for me as to how to go about looking at this chart. 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold">If you find time pls do write about her downfall and the timing of it astrologically. It would help us understand ur approach as Sat according to some is a good planet as it is in Cancer for this chart and a yoga giver. 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold">One small doubt was, usually we see conjunctions for VRYoga, but here you have mentioned aspects too. color:blue;font-weight:bold"> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold"> Mrs. Sonia’s chart is blessed with Vipareetha Raja Yoga, one that is most desirable in politicians. This combination is formed by 6th lord Jupiter aspecting 8th and 12th house in rasi. 12.0pt;font-family:Arial"> font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold">I haven’t read classical texts so was not sure if this is from the classical texts, as per my knowledge many on this list do not use aspects for creation of VRY. If possible can you quote some source or book on using the aspects for VRY. font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Kind regards, font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold"> font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Sunil John font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Mumbai Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold"> font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold"> font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold"> font-weight:bold"> -----Original Message----- anmohiey (AT) sancharnet (DOT) in [anmohiey (AT) sancharnet (DOT) in] Sunday, May 16, 2004 3:09 PM To: vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Mrs. Gandhi and Power mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Verdana;color:#CCCC00"> color:teal">JAI GURUDEV color:#CCCC00"> color:red">Sonia and the Power. color:navy">An easiest part for any astrologer to do is performing post-mortem and reason out what led for transpiring of events and incidents. Equally and oppositely hard and challenging task is to arrive at future prediction and acclaim with dare and wits. While delivering the later, more often than not modern and even eminent astrologers stumble and commit mistake might not be owing to their limitation in application of astrological principles and prowess but because of biased or prejudiced subconscious mind. Human being drowned in the binds of so called social life always inferior to any person who could lead pure ascetic life. Thus going awry of any astrological prediction made by stalwarts in the field are nothing but natural as they are less immune to stray fields surrounding them imparting impact. color:navy"> color:navy">Vedic Jyotish has been practiced in India since from the time immemorial. Even during the dynasty of emperors the astrologers were held very esteemed position and well respected for their practice and strength of foreseeing the things in advance. Hence, attempting on mundane matter related to modern day politics is certainly not against the ethics of legendary Jyotish-shastra. Under back drop of this scenario any opinion to criticise the attempt of future prediction on political front, no wonder could be termed as discouraging and uncalled for. The members of forum like this rather should give more impetus on refining on the technique than expressing and passing on disgruntle remarks. #CCCC00"> color:navy"> color:navy">A member rightfully provided information quoting some sources, on birth data of Mrs. Sonia Gandhi. If it is true and authentic, then one of the main reason for incorrect prediction given by Guruji Shri Rath is obvious and not attributable to his hilarious and commended astrological potency. color:navy"> color:navy">With taking birth details of Mrs. Sonia Rajeev Gandhi as: color:navy"> color:navy">December 9th, 1946, 21-40 Hrs, at Torino, Italy (45N03, 07E40, TZ: 01-00Hrs), one would arrive at Cancer ascendant and Gemini Moon sign. color:navy"> color:navy">Over the period of time, my observation has been that, Cancer ascendant personalities find it easier to gain political power (and hard at deriving blissful married life) in general. Few among many supporting factors for this could be: -.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;tab-stops:list 1.5in"> Verdana;color:#CCCC00">1. color:navy">Mars and Sun owning important houses, which play vital role in attaining authoritative power for any nativity. color:#CCCC00"> -.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;tab-stops:list 1.5in"> Verdana;color:#CCCC00">2. color:navy">Jupiter owning Bhagyasthana and also a dustana and can contribute for realization of Veeparitha raja yoga into practical fruit of luck. color:#CCCC00"> -.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;tab-stops:list 1.5in"> Verdana;color:#CCCC00">3. color:navy">Venus can act simultaneously as Sukhadhipathi, Labhadhipathi and Bhadhakadhipathi. Which in turn a person in power under goes at the same time. Verdana;color:#CCCC00"> color:navy"> color:navy">Mutual relation of above planets and establishing connection with ascendant and its lord in any cancer ascendant chart is most vital for acquiring top political position. color:#CCCC00"> color:navy"> color:navy">Mrs. Sonia’s chart is blessed with Vipareetha Raja Yoga, one that is most desirable in politicians. This combination is formed by 6th lord Jupiter aspecting 8th and 12th house in rasi. color:navy"> color:navy">The one of great boon for the chart is conjunction of Jupiter and Mars in Aries in Navamsha, which falls as 10th house from the natal ascendant. color:navy"> color:navy">Mars, the yoga karaka, aspects both Ascendant and also its lord in rasi and associated with bhagyadhipathi in Navamsha. color:navy"> color:navy">One can observe, placement of Saturn, Venus, Mercury and Rahu are very conducive for attainment of Power. color:navy"> color:navy">Her month, day, Moon day and Moon stars as per vedic system well foretells about potentials to acquire head of a country. How ever the little delay that took needs in-depth study too. #CCCC00"> color:navy"> color:navy">It is seen that, Mrs. Gandhi entered active politics, once she started running with Mars Bhukti in Mercury dasa. It is easily understandable from the chart. color:navy"> color:navy">My calculations says, she would continue to run with her better fortune until she arrives at the period of Mercury – Saturn, which would be around October 2009. Saturn can also see her down fall and following Ketu period can take her to back seat. I am not able to explain the reason in this mail owing to my handicap in running fingers on the keyboard. color:navy"> color:navy">These are just few words on prevailing political front. color:navy"> color:navy"> color:navy">Mohan Hegde. font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:#CCCC00"> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Attachment: (image/gif) image002.gif [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Dear Sunil, Sorry for my late response. Late has been order of the day for me for quite some time. Now to an extent the matter might sound irrelevant as at least for time being the lady choose not to be PM of India. Hats off to lady called Mrs. Sonia, for exemplary time of sense and sacrifice shown. To come back to technical points on astro related issue, the point regarding VRY. Even in the conjunction of trishadi or dustana lords what one in essence realise is cancellation of bad effects of negative houses or/its lords. In olden treatises, we can find, aspects and conjunctions almost treated as result oriented though the degree of intensity might differ. As the aspect strength is more, rather desire in the individual could be considered as of higher order than the real mettle?! Hence I personally find not much difference in distinguishing the relation between aspects and conjunction of lords of houses, which could favour the chart with VRY, or to say any other forms of Yogas. As at this moment of time I am not exactly able to recall the influence on my understanding, suggest one can take it with pinch of salt. Perhaps it might be either S/sri Joglekar's book or GR shastri's. When time permits I will dig out to keep you informed. In respect to timing of down fall of Mrs. Sonia Gandhi, politically, as I could work out is concerned, I brief reasoning as below. Saturn in 1st house as 7th lord is double good, one as natural significator and another for its placement, for bestowing well honoured/known personality and to be in limelight. How ever as you can observe, the Saturn is in fall and also 8th lord for the chart. The dasa operating planet, Mercury holds the lordship of houses 12 and 3. Saturn is lord for maraka and randra. It has been said that, when any planet in fall operates with its period even a king loses his kingdom. This is from one of the classic, believe me!. Let me quote Shri GR shastri's teachings, "..........................if lord of bhukti happens to be placed in the star owned by lords of houses 3-6-8-12 and related to maraka positions, and/or also bhukti lord placed in an enemies/debilitated house in Navamsha, and would be in connection with Rahu, Mars, Saturn, a native experiences, Defeat, loses land, faces defaming situations, passes thru mental anguish and gets subjected to severe hardships. ................." Hence I felt Saturn bhukti holds the potential to end stint of power. Thus I was skeptical about Mrs. Gandhi continuing in power once she starts running with Saturn bhukti in Mercury dasa. Mohan Hegde. - Sunil John anmohiey (AT) sancharnet (DOT) in Cc: vedic astrology Sunday, May 16, 2004 5:20 PM Mrs. Gandhi and Power Dear Mr. Mohan, Very nicely explained article by you and things have become more clear for me as to how to go about looking at this chart. If you find time pls do write about her downfall and the timing of it astrologically. It would help us understand ur approach as Sat according to some is a good planet as it is in Cancer for this chart and a yoga giver. One small doubt was, usually we see conjunctions for VRYoga, but here you have mentioned aspects too. Mrs. Sonia’s chart is blessed with Vipareetha Raja Yoga, one that is most desirable in politicians. This combination is formed by 6th lord Jupiter aspecting 8th and 12th house in rasi. I haven’t read classical texts so was not sure if this is from the classical texts, as per my knowledge many on this list do not use aspects for creation of VRY. If possible can you quote some source or book on using the aspects for VRY. Kind regards, Sunil John Mumbai anmohiey (AT) sancharnet (DOT) in [anmohiey (AT) sancharnet (DOT) in]Sunday, May 16, 2004 3:09 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Mrs. Gandhi and Power JAI GURUDEV Sonia and the Power. An easiest part for any astrologer to do is performing post-mortem and reason out what led for transpiring of events and incidents. Equally and oppositely hard and challenging task is to arrive at future prediction and acclaim with dare and wits. While delivering the later, more often than not modern and even eminent astrologers stumble and commit mistake might not be owing to their limitation in application of astrological principles and prowess but because of biased or prejudiced subconscious mind. Human being drowned in the binds of so called social life always inferior to any person who could lead pure ascetic life. Thus going awry of any astrological prediction made by stalwarts in the field are nothing but natural as they are less immune to stray fields surrounding them imparting impact. Vedic Jyotish has been practiced in India since from the time immemorial. Even during the dynasty of emperors the astrologers were held very esteemed position and well respected for their practice and strength of foreseeing the things in advance. Hence, attempting on mundane matter related to modern day politics is certainly not against the ethics of legendary Jyotish-shastra. Under back drop of this scenario any opinion to criticise the attempt of future prediction on political front, no wonder could be termed as discouraging and uncalled for. The members of forum like this rather should give more impetus on refining on the technique than expressing and passing on disgruntle remarks. A member rightfully provided information quoting some sources, on birth data of Mrs. Sonia Gandhi. If it is true and authentic, then one of the main reason for incorrect prediction given by Guruji Shri Rath is obvious and not attributable to his hilarious and commended astrological potency. With taking birth details of Mrs. Sonia Rajeev Gandhi as: December 9th, 1946, 21-40 Hrs, at Torino, Italy (45N03, 07E40, TZ: 01-00Hrs), one would arrive at Cancer ascendant and Gemini Moon sign. Over the period of time, my observation has been that, Cancer ascendant personalities find it easier to gain political power (and hard at deriving blissful married life) in general. Few among many supporting factors for this could be: 1. Mars and Sun owning important houses, which play vital role in attaining authoritative power for any nativity. 2. Jupiter owning Bhagyasthana and also a dustana and can contribute for realization of Veeparitha raja yoga into practical fruit of luck. 3. Venus can act simultaneously as Sukhadhipathi, Labhadhipathi and Bhadhakadhipathi. Which in turn a person in power under goes at the same time. Mutual relation of above planets and establishing connection with ascendant and its lord in any cancer ascendant chart is most vital for acquiring top political position. Mrs. Sonia’s chart is blessed with Vipareetha Raja Yoga, one that is most desirable in politicians. This combination is formed by 6th lord Jupiter aspecting 8th and 12th house in rasi. The one of great boon for the chart is conjunction of Jupiter and Mars in Aries in Navamsha, which falls as 10th house from the natal ascendant. Mars, the yoga karaka, aspects both Ascendant and also its lord in rasi and associated with bhagyadhipathi in Navamsha. One can observe, placement of Saturn, Venus, Mercury and Rahu are very conducive for attainment of Power. Her month, day, Moon day and Moon stars as per vedic system well foretells about potentials to acquire head of a country. How ever the little delay that took needs in-depth study too. It is seen that, Mrs. Gandhi entered active politics, once she started running with Mars Bhukti in Mercury dasa. It is easily understandable from the chart. My calculations says, she would continue to run with her better fortune until she arrives at the period of Mercury – Saturn, which would be around October 2009. Saturn can also see her down fall and following Ketu period can take her to back seat. I am not able to explain the reason in this mail owing to my handicap in running fingers on the keyboard. These are just few words on prevailing political front. Mohan Hegde. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Attachment: [not stored] Attachment: [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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