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12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Dear Mr. Mohan,

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12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold">Very nicely explained

article by you and things have become more clear for me as to how to go about

looking at this chart.

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12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold">If you find time pls

do write about her downfall and the timing of it astrologically. It would help

us understand ur approach as Sat according to some is a good planet as it is in

Cancer for this chart and a yoga giver.

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12.0pt;font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold">One small doubt was,

usually we see conjunctions for VRYoga, but here you have mentioned aspects

too.

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Mrs.

Sonia’s  chart is blessed with

Vipareetha Raja Yoga, one that is most desirable in politicians. This

combination is formed by  6th

lord Jupiter aspecting 8th and 12th house in rasi.

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font-family:Garamond;color:blue;font-weight:bold">I haven’t read classical

texts so was not sure if this is from the classical texts, as per my knowledge

many on this list do not use aspects for creation of VRY. If possible can you

quote some source or book on using the aspects for VRY.

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Sunday, May 16, 2004 3:09 PM

To:

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Mrs.

Gandhi and Power

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color:teal">JAI GURUDEV

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color:red">Sonia  and the Power.

 

color:navy">An easiest part for any astrologer to do is performing post-mortem

and reason out what led for transpiring of events and incidents. Equally and oppositely

hard and challenging task is to arrive at future prediction and acclaim with

dare and wits. While delivering the later, more often than not modern and even

eminent astrologers stumble and commit mistake might not be owing to their

limitation in application of astrological principles and prowess but because of

biased or prejudiced subconscious mind. Human being drowned in the binds of so

called social life always inferior to any person who could lead pure ascetic

life. Thus going awry of any astrological prediction made by stalwarts in the

field are nothing but natural as they are less immune to stray fields

surrounding them imparting impact.

color:navy">

color:navy">Vedic Jyotish has been practiced in India since from the time

immemorial. Even during the dynasty of emperors the astrologers were held very

esteemed position and well respected for their practice and strength of

foreseeing the things in advance. Hence, attempting on mundane matter related

to modern day politics is certainly not against the ethics of legendary

Jyotish-shastra. Under back drop of this scenario any opinion to criticise the

attempt of future prediction on political front, no wonder could be termed as

discouraging and uncalled for. The members of forum like this rather should

give more impetus on refining on the technique than expressing and passing on

disgruntle remarks.

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color:navy">

color:navy">A member rightfully provided information quoting some sources, on

birth data of Mrs. Sonia Gandhi. If it is true and authentic, then one of the

main reason for incorrect prediction given by Guruji Shri Rath is obvious and

not attributable to his hilarious and commended astrological potency.

color:navy">

color:navy">With taking birth details of Mrs. Sonia Rajeev Gandhi as:

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color:navy">December 9th, 1946, 21-40 Hrs, at Torino, Italy (45N03,

07E40,  TZ: 01-00Hrs), one would arrive

at Cancer ascendant and Gemini Moon sign.

color:navy">

color:navy">Over the period of time, my observation has been that, Cancer

ascendant personalities find it easier to gain political power (and hard at

deriving blissful married life) in general. Few among many supporting factors

for this could be:

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Verdana;color:#CCCC00">1.

color:navy">Mars and Sun owning important houses, which play vital role in

attaining authoritative power for any nativity.

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Verdana;color:#CCCC00">2.

color:navy">Jupiter owning Bhagyasthana and also a dustana and can contribute

for realization of Veeparitha raja yoga into practical fruit of  luck.

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Verdana;color:#CCCC00">3.

color:navy">Venus can act simultaneously as Sukhadhipathi, Labhadhipathi and

Bhadhakadhipathi. Which in turn a person in power under goes at the same time.

Verdana;color:#CCCC00">

color:navy">

color:navy">Mutual relation of above planets and establishing connection with

ascendant and its lord in any cancer ascendant chart is most vital for

acquiring top political position.

color:#CCCC00">

color:navy">

color:navy">Mrs. Sonia’s  chart is

blessed with Vipareetha Raja Yoga, one that is most desirable in politicians.

This combination is formed by  6th

lord Jupiter aspecting 8th and 12th house in rasi.

color:navy">

color:navy">The one of great boon for the chart is conjunction of Jupiter and

Mars in Aries in Navamsha, which falls as 10th house from the natal

ascendant.

color:navy">

color:navy">Mars, the yoga karaka, aspects both Ascendant and also its lord in

rasi and associated with bhagyadhipathi in Navamsha.

color:navy">

color:navy">One can observe, placement of Saturn, Venus, Mercury and Rahu are

very conducive for attainment of Power.

color:navy">

color:navy">Her month, day, Moon day and Moon stars as per vedic system well

foretells about potentials to acquire head of a country.  How ever the little delay that took needs

in-depth study too.

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color:navy">

color:navy">It is seen that, Mrs. Gandhi entered active politics, once she

started running with Mars Bhukti in Mercury dasa. It is easily understandable

from the chart.

color:navy">

color:navy">My calculations says, she would continue to run with her better

fortune until she arrives at the period of Mercury – Saturn, which would be

around October 2009. Saturn can also see her down fall and following Ketu

period can take her to back seat. I am not able to explain the reason in this

mail owing to my handicap in running fingers on the keyboard.

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color:navy">These are just few words on prevailing political front.

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color:navy">Mohan Hegde. 

 

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|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri

Krishnaarpanamastu ||

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Dear Sunil,

 

Sorry for my late response. Late has been order of the day for me for quite some time.

 

Now to an extent the matter might sound irrelevant as at least for time being

the lady choose not to be PM of India. Hats off to lady called Mrs. Sonia, for

exemplary time of sense and sacrifice shown.

 

To come back to technical points on astro related issue, the point regarding

VRY. Even in the conjunction of trishadi or dustana lords what one in essence

realise is cancellation of bad effects of negative houses or/its lords. In

olden treatises, we can find, aspects and conjunctions almost treated as result

oriented though the degree of intensity might differ. As the aspect strength is

more, rather desire in the individual could be considered as of higher order

than the real mettle?!

 

Hence I personally find not much difference in distinguishing the relation

between aspects and conjunction of lords of houses, which could favour the

chart with VRY, or to say any other forms of Yogas. As at this moment of time I

am not exactly able to recall the influence on my understanding, suggest one can

take it with pinch of salt. Perhaps it might be either S/sri Joglekar's book or

GR shastri's. When time permits I will dig out to keep you informed.

 

In respect to timing of down fall of Mrs. Sonia Gandhi, politically, as I could

work out is concerned, I brief reasoning as below.

 

Saturn in 1st house as 7th lord is double good, one as natural significator and

another for its placement, for bestowing well honoured/known personality and to

be in limelight. How ever as you can observe, the Saturn is in fall and also 8th

lord for the chart. The dasa operating planet, Mercury holds the lordship of

houses 12 and 3. Saturn is lord for maraka and randra. It has been said that,

when any planet in fall operates with its period even a king loses his kingdom.

This is from one of the classic, believe me!. Let me quote Shri GR shastri's

teachings, "..........................if lord of bhukti happens to be placed in

the star owned by lords of houses 3-6-8-12 and related to maraka positions,

and/or also bhukti lord placed in an enemies/debilitated house in Navamsha, and

would be in connection with Rahu, Mars, Saturn, a native experiences, Defeat,

loses land, faces defaming situations, passes thru mental anguish and gets

subjected to severe hardships. ................." Hence I felt Saturn bhukti

holds the potential to end stint of power. Thus I was skeptical about Mrs.

Gandhi continuing in power once she starts running with Saturn bhukti in

Mercury dasa.

 

Mohan Hegde.

-

Sunil John

anmohiey (AT) sancharnet (DOT) in

Cc: vedic astrology

Sunday, May 16, 2004 5:20 PM

Mrs. Gandhi and Power

 

Dear Mr. Mohan,

 

Very nicely explained article by you and things have become more clear for me as

to how to go about looking at this chart.

 

If you find time pls do write about her downfall and the timing of it

astrologically. It would help us understand ur approach as Sat according to

some is a good planet as it is in Cancer for this chart and a yoga giver.

 

One small doubt was, usually we see conjunctions for VRYoga, but here you have

mentioned aspects too.

 

Mrs. Sonia’s chart is blessed with Vipareetha Raja Yoga, one that is most

desirable in politicians. This combination is formed by 6th lord Jupiter

aspecting 8th and 12th house in rasi.

 

I haven’t read classical texts so was not sure if this is from the classical

texts, as per my knowledge many on this list do not use aspects for creation of

VRY. If possible can you quote some source or book on using the aspects for VRY.

Kind regards,

 

Sunil John

Mumbai

 

 

 

anmohiey (AT) sancharnet (DOT) in

[anmohiey (AT) sancharnet (DOT) in]Sunday, May 16, 2004 3:09 PMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Mrs. Gandhi and Power

 

JAI GURUDEV

 

Sonia and the Power.

 

An easiest part for any astrologer to do is performing post-mortem and reason

out what led for transpiring of events and incidents. Equally and oppositely

hard and challenging task is to arrive at future prediction and acclaim with

dare and wits. While delivering the later, more often than not modern and even

eminent astrologers stumble and commit mistake might not be owing to their

limitation in application of astrological principles and prowess but because of

biased or prejudiced subconscious mind. Human being drowned in the binds of so

called social life always inferior to any person who could lead pure ascetic

life. Thus going awry of any astrological prediction made by stalwarts in the

field are nothing but natural as they are less immune to stray fields

surrounding them imparting impact.

 

Vedic Jyotish has been practiced in India since from the time immemorial. Even

during the dynasty of emperors the astrologers were held very esteemed position

and well respected for their practice and strength of foreseeing the things in

advance. Hence, attempting on mundane matter related to modern day politics is

certainly not against the ethics of legendary Jyotish-shastra. Under back drop

of this scenario any opinion to criticise the attempt of future prediction on

political front, no wonder could be termed as discouraging and uncalled for.

The members of forum like this rather should give more impetus on refining on

the technique than expressing and passing on disgruntle remarks.

 

A member rightfully provided information quoting some sources, on birth data of

Mrs. Sonia Gandhi. If it is true and authentic, then one of the main reason for

incorrect prediction given by Guruji Shri Rath is obvious and not attributable

to his hilarious and commended astrological potency.

 

With taking birth details of Mrs. Sonia Rajeev Gandhi as:

 

December 9th, 1946, 21-40 Hrs, at Torino, Italy (45N03, 07E40, TZ: 01-00Hrs),

one would arrive at Cancer ascendant and Gemini Moon sign.

 

Over the period of time, my observation has been that, Cancer ascendant

personalities find it easier to gain political power (and hard at deriving

blissful married life) in general. Few among many supporting factors for this

could be:

1. Mars and Sun owning important houses, which play vital role in attaining

authoritative power for any nativity.

2. Jupiter owning Bhagyasthana and also a dustana and can contribute for

realization of Veeparitha raja yoga into practical fruit of luck.

3. Venus can act simultaneously as Sukhadhipathi, Labhadhipathi and

Bhadhakadhipathi. Which in turn a person in power under goes at the same time.

 

Mutual relation of above planets and establishing connection with ascendant and

its lord in any cancer ascendant chart is most vital for acquiring top

political position.

 

 

Mrs. Sonia’s chart is blessed with Vipareetha Raja Yoga, one that is most

desirable in politicians. This combination is formed by 6th lord Jupiter

aspecting 8th and 12th house in rasi.

 

The one of great boon for the chart is conjunction of Jupiter and Mars in Aries

in Navamsha, which falls as 10th house from the natal ascendant.

 

Mars, the yoga karaka, aspects both Ascendant and also its lord in rasi and

associated with bhagyadhipathi in Navamsha.

 

One can observe, placement of Saturn, Venus, Mercury and Rahu are very conducive

for attainment of Power.

 

Her month, day, Moon day and Moon stars as per vedic system well foretells about

potentials to acquire head of a country. How ever the little delay that took

needs in-depth study too.

 

It is seen that, Mrs. Gandhi entered active politics, once she started running

with Mars Bhukti in Mercury dasa. It is easily understandable from the chart.

 

My calculations says, she would continue to run with her better fortune until

she arrives at the period of Mercury – Saturn, which would be around October

2009. Saturn can also see her down fall and following Ketu period can take her

to back seat. I am not able to explain the reason in this mail owing to my

handicap in running fingers on the keyboard.

 

These are just few words on prevailing political front.

 

 

Mohan Hegde.

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