-RE: Trikala gyan yoga ,information required

May 2, 2004

|| Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

All Gurus & learned members,

I'll also like to add few points in case of trikaal gyana!!

1)We Pray lord Ganeshji for jyotisha & all knowledge in universe!! We consider

him as Gos for all vidyas including Jyotisha!! Who represent him? Ketu!! Also

see Ketu is strong in 9&12 rasi of Guru !! And lord of 8th house of natural

zodiac or Kaal Purusha! Am i correct! So how we can forget Ketu in judging

trikaal gyana!

So there should be strong 8th house basically, along with 9th & 12th house.(With

purva punya 5th House will come)

2)Secondly it is not neccesary Trikaal Gyani should be an astrologer!! Trikaal

Gyana is consider as a siddhi also which may be obtained by following any path

say Karma,Bhakti,Gyan Or (mainly) Yoga!! The reason is Kaal Purusha is the

representative of God when it had started no one knows! When it will vanish no

one knows!! We create measuring refrences for our own convinience!! So trikaal

gyana is related more to spirituality which includes astrology. Hence if you

want to analyse this phenomena you should analyse the Saints mainly!

3)I am agree that Guru is major planet for dharmic things or knowledge of

shastras!! But how vedas are generated!!? But still I agree with Guru because

Guru is showing Purva Punya of Jataka !! Hence It is a natural significator of

5th house!! With poorva punya one get intuse to go for correct combinations &

indications!! Other wise astrologer may keep wondering in woods of rules given

in various scripts. Hence Guru is also very important.

So in short I'll say strong Guru,Ketu,5,8,9,12 houses may create such yogas!!

Now for Hari,

I'm having personal experience of many persons who are not born with trikaal

gyana but with Guru's Blessings they have reached in more depth!!

And surprisingly they never ask for your horoscope! What they do is just

meditate Or Guru Smaran & come up with such astonising readings which hardly

fails!!

So according to me when one gets blessings from Guru he will start on this path!

First you will come to know about Kruta , means how the world is created using 5

tatwas & how it is running!! But still Sat is long way from there & with

SatGuru's guidence one will cross these boundries of KaalaPurasha!!

This is my personal opinion & one may or may not be agree with me. But I will

like to get more knowledge from learned members & Gurus on this (Ketu...)

front!! Vaade Vaade Jaayate Tatwa Bodhah||

With warm regards,

Vinay Patwardhan

|| Raghuvir Smaran||

May 2, 2004

sri guru pada nakha mani joti, sumirat dibya dristi hiya hoti//

dalan moha tam so saprakasu/ bade bhaag ur aavai jasu//

(ramcharitmanas)

sadgurudevaaye namah

dear vinay

ketu's role is more related to occultism. u will find ketu's role in

the chart of occultic personalities/ astrologers, scientists,

mantrgyas, tantriks etc. but, even a bhakta can become trikaal

darshi.

now this totaaly depends on the ju or ketu or mutual yoga to show

various sources of attainment of siddhi. ju shows satwa, guru's

blessings. ketu may show mantra, tantra or occultic path or

intuition.

my ketu is in 5th; aspected by graha dristi of ju(in lagna with

ketu's dispoistor/5th lord), goes to 12 in navamsa occupies

nidhanmsa(8th sign of rasi chart). acc to ur theory, i should have

had these sidhhis very well. but unfortunately except bit of

intution , there is nothing else. in addition to this, my jupiter is

in meena navamsa , attains gopuramsa, is in komal shashtyamsa.

where is "trikaaldarshita" ?

the recipe is incomplete?!

regards

prashant

vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay"

<patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:

> || Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

>

> All Gurus & learned members,

> I'll also like to add few points in case of trikaal gyana!!

> 1)We Pray lord Ganeshji for jyotisha & all knowledge in universe!!

We consider him as Gos for all vidyas including Jyotisha!! Who

represent him? Ketu!! Also see Ketu is strong in 9&12 rasi of

Guru !! And lord of 8th house of natural zodiac or Kaal Purusha! Am

i correct! So how we can forget Ketu in judging trikaal gyana!

> So there should be strong 8th house basically, along with 9th &

12th house.(With purva punya 5th House will come)

> 2)Secondly it is not neccesary Trikaal Gyani should be an

astrologer!! Trikaal Gyana is consider as a siddhi also which may be

obtained by following any path say Karma,Bhakti,Gyan Or (mainly)

Yoga!! The reason is Kaal Purusha is the representative of God when

it had started no one knows! When it will vanish no one knows!! We

create measuring refrences for our own convinience!! So trikaal

gyana is related more to spirituality which includes astrology.

Hence if you want to analyse this phenomena you should analyse the

Saints mainly!

> 3)I am agree that Guru is major planet for dharmic things or

knowledge of shastras!! But how vedas are generated!!? But still I

agree with Guru because Guru is showing Purva Punya of Jataka !!

Hence It is a natural significator of 5th house!! With poorva punya

one get intuse to go for correct combinations & indications!! Other

wise astrologer may keep wondering in woods of rules given in

various scripts. Hence Guru is also very important.

> So in short I'll say strong Guru,Ketu,5,8,9,12 houses may create

such yogas!!

>

> Now for Hari,

> I'm having personal experience of many persons who are not born

with trikaal gyana but with Guru's Blessings they have reached in

more depth!!

> And surprisingly they never ask for your horoscope! What they do

is just meditate Or Guru Smaran & come up with such astonising

readings which hardly fails!!

> So according to me when one gets blessings from Guru he will start

on this path! First you will come to know about Kruta , means how

the world is created using 5 tatwas & how it is running!! But still

Sat is long way from there & with SatGuru's guidence one will cross

these boundries of KaalaPurasha!!

> This is my personal opinion & one may or may not be agree with me.

But I will like to get more knowledge from learned members & Gurus

on this (Ketu...) front!! Vaade Vaade Jaayate Tatwa Bodhah||

>

> With warm regards,

>

> Vinay Patwardhan

>

> || Raghuvir Smaran||

May 2, 2004

sadgurudevaaye namah

dear vinay & chandrashekhar ji

just to explain , there can b various ways to attain trikaal gyaan.

-astrology

-palmistry

-nimitta

-mantra

-bhakti

-tantra

-god-realisation

-pisacha/duramtma sidhi

-from previous birth

one must see in deatil rasi as well as in navmsa to check what kind

of yogi/saint/astrologer the person is.

there will b diffrent combination for above mentioned ways

regards

prashant

vedic astrology, prashant narang

<prashantnarang> wrote:

> sadgurudevaaye namah

> dear chandrashekhar ji

> i did not disagree with what vinay has said. i also appreciate

his mail. my point is ketu will give trikaal gyann (or for that

matter any sidhhi) thru mystical sciences. guru may give it thru

satguru's blessings.

>

> regards

> prashant

>

> Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Prashant,

> I think what Vinayji says has sense. I remember Visti saying Ketu

in AL

> indicates one who will learn Jyotish and if in Lagna he will be a

> Jyotishi, in Nagpur conference. The later was his comment on my

question

> as to what happens if Ketu is in Lagna as he had talked about AL

only.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> prashantnarang wrote:

>

> > sri guru pada nakha mani joti, sumirat dibya dristi hiya hoti//

> > dalan moha tam so saprakasu/ bade bhaag ur aavai jasu//

> > (ramcharitmanas)

> >

> > sadgurudevaaye namah

> > dear vinay

> > ketu's role is more related to occultism. u will find ketu's

role in

> > the chart of occultic personalities/ astrologers, scientists,

> > mantrgyas, tantriks etc. but, even a bhakta can become trikaal

> > darshi.

> > now this totaaly depends on the ju or ketu or mutual yoga to show

> > various sources of attainment of siddhi. ju shows satwa, guru's

> > blessings. ketu may show mantra, tantra or occultic path or

> > intuition.

> > my ketu is in 5th; aspected by graha dristi of ju(in lagna with

> > ketu's dispoistor/5th lord), goes to 12 in navamsa occupies

> > nidhanmsa(8th sign of rasi chart). acc to ur theory, i should

have

> > had these sidhhis very well. but unfortunately except bit of

> > intution , there is nothing else. in addition to this, my

jupiter is

> > in meena navamsa , attains gopuramsa, is in komal shashtyamsa.

> > where is "trikaaldarshita" ?

> > the recipe is incomplete?!

> >

> > regards

> > prashant

> >

> > vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay"

> >

> wrote:

> > > || Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> > >

> > > All Gurus & learned members,

> > > I'll also like to add few points in case of trikaal gyana!!

> > > 1)We Pray lord Ganeshji for jyotisha & all knowledge in

universe!!

> > We consider him as Gos for all vidyas including Jyotisha!! Who

> > represent him? Ketu!! Also see Ketu is strong in 9&12 rasi of

> > Guru !! And lord of 8th house of natural zodiac or Kaal Purusha!

Am

> > i correct! So how we can forget Ketu in judging trikaal gyana!

> > > So there should be strong 8th house basically, along with 9th &

> > 12th house.(With purva punya 5th House will come)

> > > 2)Secondly it is not neccesary Trikaal Gyani should be an

> > astrologer!! Trikaal Gyana is consider as a siddhi also which

may be

> > obtained by following any path say Karma,Bhakti,Gyan Or (mainly)

> > Yoga!! The reason is Kaal Purusha is the representative of God

when

> > it had started no one knows! When it will vanish no one knows!!

We

> > create measuring refrences for our own convinience!! So trikaal

> > gyana is related more to spirituality which includes astrology.

> > Hence if you want to analyse this phenomena you should analyse

the

> > Saints mainly!

> > > 3)I am agree that Guru is major planet for dharmic things or

> > knowledge of shastras!! But how vedas are generated!!? But still

I

> > agree with Guru because Guru is showing Purva Punya of Jataka !!

> > Hence It is a natural significator of 5th house!! With poorva

punya

> > one get intuse to go for correct combinations & indications!!

Other

> > wise astrologer may keep wondering in woods of rules given in

> > various scripts. Hence Guru is also very important.

> > > So in short I'll say strong Guru,Ketu,5,8,9,12 houses may

create

> > such yogas!!

> > >

> > > Now for Hari,

> > > I'm having personal experience of many persons who are not born

> > with trikaal gyana but with Guru's Blessings they have reached in

> > more depth!!

> > > And surprisingly they never ask for your horoscope! What they

do

> > is just meditate Or Guru Smaran & come up with such astonising

> > readings which hardly fails!!

> > > So according to me when one gets blessings from Guru he will

start

> > on this path! First you will come to know about Kruta , means how

> > the world is created using 5 tatwas & how it is running!! But

still

> > Sat is long way from there & with SatGuru's guidence one will

cross

> > these boundries of KaalaPurasha!!

> > > This is my personal opinion & one may or may not be agree with

me.

> > But I will like to get more knowledge from learned members &

Gurus

> > on this (Ketu...) front!! Vaade Vaade Jaayate Tatwa Bodhah||

> > >

> > > With warm regards,

> > >

> > > Vinay Patwardhan

> > >

> > > || Raghuvir Smaran||

> >

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May 2, 2004

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

Dear Prashant, Shri Chandrashekarji,

Many thanks for reply!!

Now Prashant you point out correctly that something is missing in my post &

there should be something more!!

Yes Gurus & learned members may Guide us!! Also my purpose to add the discussion

with some other aspects is fulfilled! Now we may know more details!!

I remember old days, (Not very old as I'm also very young) when I used to get

tempt by seeing just one combination in chart & start predicting !! Obviously

teacher says Vinay Astrology is not a formula, x+y=z. For one event single

planet does not work Infact All 9 planets when they give their contribution

along with Dasa & Transit with Different Bhavas Then only one can step ahead in

any field!!

Now again Prashant has given various methods by which one can become Trikaal

Gyani, I'm totally agree with him and I think we all should know about various

Grahas & Bhavas combination for all these!! And one more part why I bring in

ketu in divya drishti discussion! Can any one who is not expert in mantras,

spirituality (Any of 4 ways) and Main point is without oposing wordly desires

(Bhoga Marga) will have drishti (I think without Vairagya Even Guru will not

bless Shishya with such extreme powers, except Picchacha marg but I don't think

him as Trikaal Gyani) !! Again this is not a single phenomena of Ketu but every

thing should go by hand in hand!! Also I mention this combination because I

read in Kundali Sangraha of (V.D.Bhat & M.D. Bhat : Authors) Maharashtra ,

where these two legends mention this combination (5,9,12) in every saints

chart!! Unfortunately I don't have that Kundali Sangraha with me! But I think

Shri Chandrashekharji Or Shri Devvrataji can help us! (I think either of them

is related to Maharashtra Jyotish Parishad )

I think Chandrashekarji is doing a great contribution by keeping such tests!!

Every one should contribute so as we can feel the real importance of Trikaal

Drashta!!

So what could be the final combination required for Trikaal Drishti? ( To sum up

is important and who is going to do it? Otherwise it's a endless story!!)

With warm regards,

Vinay

|| Raghuvir Smaran||

May 3, 2004

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Vinay and Other listed members,

When I explained 1st time about Trikala Jnaana Yoga, I forgotten to give the

concerned Shloka from Varaha Mihira's Brihat Jataka .So here is the Shloka for

Trikala Jnaana Yoga :

iÇkalJnae Éve¾Ive Sva<ze èuÖ<zs<yute,

gaepura*<zkeVyapI zuÉa<ze zuÉvIi]te.

trikälajno bhavejjéve sväàçe mrudvaàçasaàyute|

gopurädyaàçakevyäpé çubhäàçe çubhavékñite||

I hope now anybody can decode this Shloka.Now as per this Shloka which is taken

from Bhava Jeeva Prakarana in Brihat Jataka,if Guru is in his own

Navamsha,Mrudvamsha,Gopuramsha or in Shubhaamsha aspected by Shubha Planets (

benefics ), the native becomes a Trikalajna.

But onething I can say is that a Trikalajna may not be a Jyotishi.This divine

power comes from past Karmas.So I think D-60 has to be studied in detail.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

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