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Dear Sunil,

I think everybody made wrong predictions due to a small mistake.This is my

assumption only. The Governement was not run by BJP only but with the help of

some allied parties like TDP,AIDMK etc. So is it not necesary to check all the

allied partys' charts also ?

This is my opinion and other may differ.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Sunil John <suniljohn (AT) softhome (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Friends,The Grandfather of astrology also accepts its failure. Can an

astrologicalpostmortem be provided by the learned members esp using Ashtakvarga

etc.Atleast the junior students like me would learn from a postmortem

analysis.BestSJ13 May 2004I lose now. BJP cannot form the government. This is a

big astrologicalfailureof mine.Yours,K.N.Rao.Editor, Journal of Astrology,F291

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I take liberty to post the following.

where did ALL astrologers went wrong??

May be the fault lies in ignoring Fundamentals.

When you have a problem, think Logically and go back to basics.

I have always maintained and adviced learned friends to adopt simplicity in reasoning.

All advanced methods of TP charts and other D60 are fine but only when you are

thorough with basics and know the problem from roots to the flowers.

Hope I am not ruffling feathers again.

Rgds

HT/VB

 

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"hkrtrivedi" <hkrtrivedi> > Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:18 pm>

Retro Mercury and Jupiter and Elections in India> > Hello Friends,>

While we are waiting for the third phase of polling in India and> waiting for

the election results, one very serious doubt has been> troubling me.> Who ever

adviced BJP to have elections at this time when both Mercury> and Jupiter are

retro, would not have thought of the possible > outcome.> (I am sure there must

be some astrologers to advice on Muhurtams and> good days when victory is

assured))> > The poll pundits are really changing tune every day from singing>

victory march to the tunes of Beating the Retreat.> I am wondering if reverses

in BJP's fortunes have anything to do with> Mercury and Jupiter being retro.>

Jupiter is a Brahmin

and Mercury is a Bania.BJP is known as Bania> Brahmin party. Further more,

Saturn is in Mithunam. Where will this> elections lead us, I can't say but

things don't look Lotusy (Rosy)> for BJP.> Rgds> HT Ramadas Rao

<ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Sunil,

I think everybody made wrong predictions due to a small mistake.This is my

assumption only. The Governement was not run by BJP only but with the help of

some allied parties like TDP,AIDMK etc. So is it not necesary to check all the

allied partys' charts also ?

This is my opinion and other may differ.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Sunil John <suniljohn (AT) softhome (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Friends,The Grandfather of astrology also accepts its failure. Can an

astrologicalpostmortem be provided by the learned members esp using Ashtakvarga

etc.Atleast the junior students like me would learn from a postmortem

analysis.BestSJ13 May 2004I lose now. BJP cannot form the government. This is a

big astrologicalfailureof mine.Yours,K.N.Rao.Editor, Journal of Astrology,F291

Saraswati Kunj, Patparganj, Plot No 25,I.P.Extension,Delhi 110092Phone

2272-1624/2272-1625Distributor of my books in

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Dear Gentlepeople:

 

NO! NO! NO! postmortems please. I'm sick and tired of Jyotishas

attempting to explain/justify an EVEN AFTER THE EVENT HAS HAPPENED.

 

Isn't this very convinient? If a Jyotisha attempts to explain an even

AFTER it has occurred already, it becomes mathematics (logic and

probability) rather than the divine knowlege of Jyotish.

 

If you were an engineering student in India, do you guys remember how

we used to manipulate the data in order to come up with the RIGHT

results when we KNEW THE FINAL ANSWER, i.e. the experiments we used

to conduct for proving the value of Earth's gravitational force, etc.

 

Similarly, if the ANSWER is KNOWN of an astrological event, it is

very easy to manipulate the planetary placements, the mool dasas, the

Narayana dasas, the Vimsotarri dashas, the Tithi pravesh charts,

etc., etc. to justify the EVENT.

 

So, please, no postmortems.

 

Mukund

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Sunil John" <suniljohn@s...>

wrote:

> Dear Friends,

> The Grandfather of astrology also accepts its failure. Can an

astrological

> postmortem be provided by the learned members esp using Ashtakvarga

etc.

> Atleast the junior students like me would learn from a postmortem

analysis.

> Best

> SJ

>

> 13 May 2004

> I lose now. BJP cannot form the government. This is a big

astrological

> failure

> of mine.

>

>

> Yours,

> K.N.Rao.

> Editor, Journal of Astrology,

> F291 Saraswati Kunj, Patparganj, Plot No 25,

> I.P.Extension,

> Delhi 110092

> Phone 2272-1624/2272-1625

> Distributor of my books in USA

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Dear Hemant Trivedi Ji,

Some days before I did the analysis of Shri Vajapaayee's Chart and wrote that he

will win but may not become the prime minister.At that time I did not had the

charts of NDA allies because analysing of BJP chart is not sufficient and we

have to analyse other allies charts also. I think this has made wrong

predictions.

But if you see BJP 's chart only, it is not strong enough to form the government

by its own strength.3 planets are Vakra in 3rd house ie., Kuja (V), Guru (V) and

Shani (V) along with Rahu.Guru is Badhakadhipaty, Shani is 8th lord also and

Kuja is 6th and 11th lord.Shukra Dasa- Guru Antara - Kuja's Pratyantara was

running between 12-4- 2004 and 7-6-2004 ( using 360 days per year ) Kuja is

Vakra and is a malefic for the chart and is at Simha 2 Degs.18' whereas

Rahu is in Simha 3 Degs.13' ie Rahu is coming to swallow Kuja and both are in

same pada of Makha-1.Hence during this Pratyanatara of Kuja, BJP will lose

only. Also another point is the declaration of Results on 13th ie., today which

is the last day of Solar Month of Mesha is very bad for the running Government.

Shani is transitting over Lagna and also 8th from debilitated Chandra (

Ashtama Shani )also.So by looking into all these factors, we can conclude that

BJP alone can not win in the elections.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

vidyut bhatt <vidyut_bhatt > wrote:

Hello Friends,

 

I take liberty to post the following.

where did ALL astrologers went wrong??

May be the fault lies in ignoring Fundamentals.

When you have a problem, think Logically and go back to basics.

I have always maintained and adviced learned friends to adopt simplicity in reasoning.

All advanced methods of TP charts and other D60 are fine but only when you are

thorough with basics and know the problem from roots to the flowers.

Hope I am not ruffling feathers again.

Rgds

HT/VB

 

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"hkrtrivedi" <hkrtrivedi> > Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:18 pm>

Retro Mercury and Jupiter and Elections in India> > Hello Friends,>

While we are waiting for the third phase of polling in India and> waiting for

the election results, one very serious doubt has been> troubling me.> Who ever

adviced BJP to have elections at this time when both Mercury> and Jupiter are

retro, would not have thought of the possible > outcome.> (I am sure there must

be some astrologers to advice on Muhurtams and> good days when victory is

assured))> > The poll pundits are really changing tune every day from singing>

victory march to the tunes of Beating the Retreat.> I am wondering if reverses

in BJP's fortunes have anything to do with> Mercury and Jupiter being retro.>

Jupiter is a Brahmin

and Mercury is a Bania.BJP is known as Bania> Brahmin party. Further more,

Saturn is in Mithunam. Where will this> elections lead us, I can't say but

things don't look Lotusy (Rosy)> for BJP.> Rgds> HT Ramadas Rao

<ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Sunil,

I think everybody made wrong predictions due to a small mistake.This is my

assumption only. The Governement was not run by BJP only but with the help of

some allied parties like TDP,AIDMK etc. So is it not necesary to check all the

allied partys' charts also ?

This is my opinion and other may differ.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Sunil John <suniljohn (AT) softhome (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Friends,The Grandfather of astrology also accepts its failure. Can an

astrologicalpostmortem be provided by the learned members esp using Ashtakvarga

etc.Atleast the junior students like me would learn from a postmortem

analysis.BestSJ13 May 2004I lose now. BJP cannot form the government. This is a

big astrologicalfailureof mine.Yours,K.N.Rao.Editor, Journal of Astrology,F291

Saraswati Kunj, Patparganj, Plot No 25,I.P.Extension,Delhi 110092Phone

2272-1624/2272-1625Distributor of my books in

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Arial;font-weight:bold">Dear Ramadasji,

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Arial;font-weight:bold">I accept ur point that we must look at all the charts,

but since the major partner in the NDA was BJP, I am presuming looking at BJPs

chart or maybe NDA’s chart would still suffice along with the top leaders

charts, when NDA was formed can still prove to be profitable (along with BJPs

chart) even if we don’t have other allied parties charts.

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Arial;font-weight:bold">Best wishes

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Arial;font-weight:bold">SJ

 

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` nmae naray[ay,

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Dear

Sunil,

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I

think everybody made wrong predictions due to a small mistake.This is my

assumption only. The Governement was not run by BJP only but with the help of

some allied parties like TDP,AIDMK etc. So is it not necesary to check all the

allied partys' charts also ?

This

is my opinion and other may differ.

With

Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas

Rao.

Sunil John

<suniljohn (AT) softhome (DOT) net> wrote:

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color:black">Dear Friends,

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The Grandfather of astrology also accepts its failure. Can an astrological

postmortem be provided by the learned members esp using Ashtakvarga etc.

Atleast the junior students like me would learn from a postmortem analysis.

Best

SJ

13 May 2004

I lose now. BJP cannot form the government. This is a big astrological

failure

of mine.

Yours,

K.N.Rao.

Editor, Journal of Astrology,

F291 Saraswati Kunj, Patparganj, Plot No 25,

I.P.Extension,

Delhi 110092

Phone 2272-1624/2272-1625

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font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Dear Mukund,

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font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">It all depends on the

INTENT behind the postmortem. Intent is the seed behind all life actions as we

know. If the postmortem is done with the Intent just to justify ones act/failed

act then it is the ego that is being balmed here.

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font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Whereas if the Intent is

to truly see where one failed and to Learn from it and thereby teach students

with a pure heart then it serves its Divine purpose. If the intent is to

manipulate dasas etc to justify an event then that astrologer is not practicing

unbiased astrology

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font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">An astrologer should see

the chart once again after a failed prediction and see in which astrological

step he faltered. This is as per my understanding.

font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">We humans analyse our past

mistakes and failures in our practical life, just so that we learn from it and

try to improve from it.

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font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Half of what is discussed

on this list is postmortem of past events, but still many students are learning

from it.

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font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">I would have missed Mr.

Samarth’s prashna analysis if today I wouldn’t have read his Postmortem. I wish

I had read his first post earlier since I feel the message was so clear in the

prashna and how come he missed it out, nor that I know much about prashna.

font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">

font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">I leave it to the learned

members of the list if they can provide postmortem to this historic event, if

they can’t its no problem.

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font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Best wishes,

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font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">Sunil John

font-family:Garamond;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold">P.S: a gentleman wrote

that Yogi Karve had predicted about Sonia Gandhi, I was trying to recollect in

which book he had predicted but just now I got the following email. Its not

that Yogi Karve is always 100% right but this one might be coming true.

Many years ago (about

twelve) a Congress leader now out of power, and perhaps also politics, was

annoyed with Yogi Karve when he had told him that a future prime minister of

India would be Sonia Gandhi. It was said after the death of Rajiv Gandhi on 21

May 1991. I know the whole incident personally and it is hundred percent true.

That Congress leader had expressed his annoyance many times at my own house !

That Congress leader did not heed to the advice of Karveji

who had asked him to get into the right books of Sonia Gandhi.

Now the possibilities are that with the entire left front

supporting Sonia Gandhi, even if men like Sharad Pawar have their own grouse

and personal ambition, she cannot be prevented.We will know it tomorrow or day

after.

That is a Yogi’s foresight in which as usual, as I know,

the time frame is not indicated. Yogi Karve had told me also that Sonia would

be the prime minister someday.

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K.N.Rao.

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color:black">Dear Gentlepeople:

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NO! NO! NO! postmortems please. I'm sick and tired of Jyotishas

attempting to explain/justify an EVEN AFTER THE EVENT HAS HAPPENED.

Isn't this very convinient? If a Jyotisha attempts to explain an even

AFTER it has occurred already, it becomes mathematics (logic and

probability) rather than the divine knowlege of Jyotish.

If you were an engineering student in India, do you guys remember how

we used to manipulate the data in order to come up with the RIGHT

results when we KNEW THE FINAL ANSWER, i.e. the experiments we used

to conduct for proving the value of Earth's gravitational force, etc.

Similarly, if the ANSWER is KNOWN of an astrological event, it is

very easy to manipulate the planetary placements, the mool dasas, the

Narayana dasas, the Vimsotarri dashas, the Tithi pravesh charts,

etc., etc. to justify the EVENT.

So, please, no postmortems.

Mukund

vedic astrology, "Sunil John"

<suniljohn@s...>

wrote:

> Dear Friends,

> The Grandfather of astrology also accepts its failure. Can an

astrological

> postmortem be provided by the learned members esp using Ashtakvarga

etc.

> Atleast the junior students like me would learn from a postmortem

analysis.

> Best

> SJ

>

> 13 May 2004

> I lose now. BJP cannot form the government. This is a big

astrological

> failure

> of mine.

>

>

> Yours,

> K.N.Rao.

> Editor, Journal of Astrology,

> F291 Saraswati Kunj, Patparganj, Plot No 25,

> I.P.Extension,

> Delhi 110092

> Phone 2272-1624/2272-1625

> Distributor of my books in USA

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Dear All,

 

I feel forced to write this short note after watching the "hot" mails on various

lists about "why the prediction went wrong", etc.

 

It's about time that even all of us intelligent astrologers realize that we are

not GOD and our prediction capabilities are as limited as been human beings.

 

Once this is perceived and understood in it's correct context the question

"why", "failure" and other similar words will automatically become redundant

within astrology.

 

Peace upon you all

/Jay Weiss

 

-

Sunil John

Ramadas Rao

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 7:19 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] KN Rao accepts graciously too

Dear Ramadasji,

 

I accept ur point that we must look at all the charts, but since the major

partner in the NDA was BJP, I am presuming looking at BJPs chart or maybe NDA’s

chart would still suffice along with the top leaders charts, when NDA was formed

can still prove to be profitable (along with BJPs chart) even if we don’t have

other allied parties charts.

 

Best wishes

 

SJ

 

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` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Sunil,

I think everybody made wrong predictions due to a small mistake.This is my

assumption only. The Governement was not run by BJP only but with the help of

some allied parties like TDP,AIDMK etc. So is it not necesary to check all the

allied partys' charts also ?

This is my opinion and other may differ.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Sunil John <suniljohn (AT) softhome (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Friends,The Grandfather of astrology also accepts its failure. Can an

astrologicalpostmortem be provided by the learned members esp using Ashtakvarga

etc.Atleast the junior students like me would learn from a postmortem

analysis.BestSJ13 May 2004I lose now. BJP cannot form the government. This is a

big astrologicalfailureof mine.Yours,K.N.Rao.Editor, Journal of Astrology,F291

Saraswati Kunj, Patparganj, Plot No 25,I.P.Extension,Delhi 110092Phone

2272-1624/2272-1625Distributor of my books in

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Dear Ramadas Rao,

No doubt almost every astrologer failed in the prediction of the outcome

of the elections. I too had predicted (though perhaps not on the list)

that Vajpaiji would remain the prime minister, no matter the position of

the NDA per se. I accept the failure totally, unless the days ahead

bring something , which at present appears impossible.

 

I think the reason is that Vajpai's correct birth data is not available.

I have seen many using 1926 as his birth year. The Official site of BJP

states that he was born in 1924. It is also known that he was born on

Brahma Muhurta. Now the question that has not yet been answered is

whether to treat the date which is 25th of December is to be taken per

Indian system of Sunrise to sunrise or Midnight to midnight. I use the

chart with Libra rising and Moon, Venus in 2nd house as the chart had

appeared in "Tarun Bharat" a daily of RSS. The chart matches 3.30 a.m.

time which is treated as Brahma muhurta by many for Sadhana and I am

certain that this what Vajpai's father had meant when he said he was

born on Brahma Muhurta. I am still trying to get the correct from Vajpaiji.

Having said that I have no hesitation in accepting that, at least as

things stand today, the prediction did go wrong.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Ramadas Rao wrote:

 

> ` nmae naray[ay,

>

> om namo näräyaëäya|

>

> Dear Sunil,

> I think everybody made wrong predictions due to a small mistake.This

> is my assumption only. The Governement was not run by BJP only but

> with the help of some allied parties like TDP,AIDMK etc. So is it not

> necesary to check all the allied partys' charts also ?

> This is my opinion and other may differ.

> With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> Ramadas Rao.

>

> */Sunil John <suniljohn/* wrote:

>

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> 13 May 2004

> I lose now. BJP cannot form the government. This is a big astrological

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Dear Chandrashekhar, Ramadas, and Sanjay ji,

 

The astrological forecasting regarding forthcoming Indian Govt. is

again proved incorrect prediction during this year, after Cricket

World Cup 2004, by all the well versed Indian astrologer. This has

been caused to enhance the suspicion about the relibility of

astrology in the minds of masses. Paid-astrologers' propaganda on TV

and newspapers further worsen the condition. Now the post-martum

analysis and if-&-then reasoning can not become a ligical excuse of

the said failure, atleast for a layman.

 

There is a difference between "What is going to happen" and "What we

want to happen". Desires and dreams are not always prove true. Among

the various characteristics laid down by Classical Astrologer

(Parashar, Varahamira and etc) for a successful astrolgoer and true

prediction includes unbiasness. But in both the cases (World Cup

2004 and Indian Election 2004), unfortunately most of the analyst

could not remained 'unbiased' and 'impartial', on account of their

natural tendency towards nationalism. It is really difficult to

think/analyse beyond caste, ethnicity, and belief.

 

Lastly, the lack of essential information and true birth detials (as

hinted by Chandrashekhar) and exclusion of outer planets in mundane

affairs, resulted in confusion and ultimately led to false

predictions.

 

Apar from all these, it is really admirable, that many astrologers

accepted the resposibility of predictions proved incorrect.

 

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vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Ramadas Rao,

> No doubt almost every astrologer failed in the prediction of the

outcome

> of the elections. I too had predicted (though perhaps not on the

list)

> that Vajpaiji would remain the prime minister, no matter the

position of

> the NDA per se. I accept the failure totally, unless the days

ahead

> bring something , which at present appears impossible.

>

> I think the reason is that Vajpai's correct birth data is not

available.

> I have seen many using 1926 as his birth year. The Official site

of BJP

> states that he was born in 1924. It is also known that he was born

on

> Brahma Muhurta. Now the question that has not yet been answered is

> whether to treat the date which is 25th of December is to be

taken per

> Indian system of Sunrise to sunrise or Midnight to midnight. I

use the

> chart with Libra rising and Moon, Venus in 2nd house as the chart

had

> appeared in "Tarun Bharat" a daily of RSS. The chart matches 3.30

a.m.

> time which is treated as Brahma muhurta by many for Sadhana and I

am

> certain that this what Vajpai's father had meant when he said he

was

> born on Brahma Muhurta. I am still trying to get the correct from

Vajpaiji.

> Having said that I have no hesitation in accepting that, at least

as

> things stand today, the prediction did go wrong.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Ramadas Rao wrote:

>

> > ` nmae naray[ay,

> >

> > om namo näräyaëäya|

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> > I think everybody made wrong predictions due to a small

mistake.This

> > is my assumption only. The Governement was not run by BJP only

but

> > with the help of some allied parties like TDP,AIDMK etc. So is

it not

> > necesary to check all the allied partys' charts also ?

> > This is my opinion and other may differ.

> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> > Ramadas Rao.

> >

> > */Sunil John <suniljohn@s...>/* wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

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> > astrological

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> > Ashtakvarga etc.

> > Atleast the junior students like me would learn from a

postmortem

> > analysis.

> > Best

> > SJ

> >

> > 13 May 2004

> > I lose now. BJP cannot form the government. This is a big

astrological

> > failure

> > of mine.

> >

> >

> > Yours,

> > K.N.Rao.

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Dear Sunil,

I agree that BJP is the main party in NDA but suppose if it gets little lesser

votes for its majority,then it becomes to necesary to look for its allies

charts also.Now as we know now,I think all its allies charts also have the same

results like that of BJP.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Sunil John <suniljohn (AT) softhome (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Ramadasji,

 

I accept ur point that we must look at all the charts, but since the major

partner in the NDA was BJP, I am presuming looking at BJPs chart or maybe NDA’s

chart would still suffice along with the top leaders charts, when NDA was formed

can still prove to be profitable (along with BJPs chart) even if we don’t have

other allied parties charts.

 

Best wishes

 

SJ

 

Ramadas Rao [ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in]Sent:

Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:05 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re:

[vedic astrology] KN Rao accepts graciously too

 

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Sunil,

I think everybody made wrong predictions due to a small mistake.This is my

assumption only. The Governement was not run by BJP only but with the help of

some allied parties like TDP,AIDMK etc. So is it not necesary to check all the

allied partys' charts also ?

This is my opinion and other may differ.

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Ramadas Rao.Sunil John <suniljohn (AT) softhome (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Friends,The Grandfather of astrology also accepts its failure. Can an

astrologicalpostmortem be provided by the learned members esp using Ashtakvarga

etc.Atleast the junior students like me would learn from a postmortem

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Dear Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

I agree with you .I will tell you one thing, the Astrologer predicts something

with his skills and the divine power he has and if it becomes wrong,I feel

strongly that either the birth details may be wrong or the time of analysis may

be bad ie.,evil Hora, Evil planets in Lagna etc.Everything is in the hands of

GOD and it is HE who decides everything.Even I am not telling that my all

predictions are correct and I also have wrong predictions due to the reasons I

wrote above.

So let us all Pray GURU tocorrect our mistakes and give us divine powers and

enlighten us to give good predictions which will help the common man.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Ramadas Rao,No doubt almost every astrologer failed in the prediction of

the outcome of the elections. I too had predicted (though perhaps not on the

list) that Vajpaiji would remain the prime minister, no matter the position of

the NDA per se. I accept the failure totally, unless the days ahead bring

something , which at present appears impossible.I think the reason is that

Vajpai's correct birth data is not available. I have seen many using 1926 as

his birth year. The Official site of BJP states that he was born in 1924. It is

also known that he was born on Brahma Muhurta. Now the question that has not yet

been answered is whether to treat the date which is 25th of December is to be

taken per Indian system of Sunrise to sunrise or Midnight to midnight. I use

the chart with Libra rising and Moon, Venus in 2nd

house as the chart had appeared in "Tarun Bharat" a daily of RSS. The chart

matches 3.30 a.m. time which is treated as Brahma muhurta by many for Sadhana

and I am certain that this what Vajpai's father had meant when he said he was

born on Brahma Muhurta. I am still trying to get the correct from

Vajpaiji.Having said that I have no hesitation in accepting that, at least as

things stand today, the prediction did go wrong.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Ramadas

Rao wrote:> ` nmae naray[ay,>> om namo näräyaëäya|>> Dear Sunil,> I think

everybody made wrong predictions due to a small mistake.This > is my assumption

only. The Governement was not run by BJP only but > with the help of some allied

parties like TDP,AIDMK etc. So is it not > necesary to check all the allied

partys' charts also ?> This is my opinion and other may differ.> With Shri Hari

Vaayu Naama Smarana,>

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Friends,> The Grandfather of astrology also accepts its failure. Can an>

astrological> postmortem be provided by the learned members esp using>

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postmortem> analysis.> Best> SJ>> 13 May 2004> I lose now.

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Dear Ramadas Rao,

You are right. This is why the first shloka that appears in Astrological

magazine says "phalaani grahacaareNa sUcayanti maniSiNa" rest only the

almighty knows with absolute accuracy. Sanjay did predict about Naveen

Patnaik winning while we were at Puri and it has turned out accurate.

These things are bound to happen in any predictive science and teaches

one humility.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Ramadas Rao wrote:

 

> ` nmae naray[ay,

>

> om namo näräyaëäya|

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar Sharma Ji,

> I agree with you .I will tell you one thing, the Astrologer predicts

> something with his skills and the divine power he has and if it

> becomes wrong,I feel strongly that either the birth details may be

> wrong or the time of analysis may be bad ie.,evil Hora, Evil planets

> in Lagna etc.Everything is in the hands of GOD and it is HE who

> decides everything.Even I am not telling that my all predictions are

> correct and I also have wrong predictions due to the reasons I wrote

> above.

> So let us all Pray GURU tocorrect our mistakes and give us divine

> powers and enlighten us to give good predictions which will help the

> common man.

> With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> Ramadas Rao.

>

> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel/* wrote:

>

> Dear Ramadas Rao,

> No doubt almost every astrologer failed in the prediction of the

> outcome

> of the elections. I too had predicted (though perhaps not on the

> list)

> that Vajpaiji would remain the prime minister, no matter the

> position of

> the NDA per se. I accept the failure totally, unless the days ahead

> bring something , which at present appears impossible.

>

> I think the reason is that Vajpai's correct birth data is not

> available.

> I have seen many using 1926 as his birth year. The Official site

> of BJP

> states that he was born in 1924. It is also known that he was born on

> Brahma Muhurta. Now the question that has not yet been answered is

> whether to treat the date which is 25th of December is to be

> taken per

> Indian system of Sunrise to sunrise or Midnight to midnight. I

> use the

> chart with Libra rising and Moon, Venus in 2nd house as the chart had

> appeared in "Tarun Bharat" a daily of RSS. The chart matches 3.30

> a.m.

> time which is treated as Brahma muhurta by many for Sadhana and I am

> certain that this what Vajpai's father had meant when he said he was

> born on Brahma Muhurta. I am still trying to get the correct from

> Vajpaiji.

> Having said that I have no hesitation in accepting that, at least as

> things stand today, the prediction did go wrong.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Ramadas Rao wrote:

>

> > ` nmae naray[ay,

> >

> > om namo näräyaëäya|

> >

> > Dear Sunil,

> > I think everybody made wrong predictions due to a small

> mistake.This

> > is my assumption only. The Governement was not run by BJP only but

> > with the help of some allied parties like TDP,AIDMK etc. So is

> it not

> > necesary to check all the allied partys' charts also ?

> > This is my opinion and other may differ.

> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> > Ramadas Rao.

> >

> > */Sunil John <suniljohn/* wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > The Grandfather of astrology also accepts its failure. Can an

> > astrological

> > postmortem be provided by the learned members esp using

> > Ashtakvarga etc.

> > Atleast the junior students like me would learn from a

> postmortem

> > analysis.

> > Best

> > SJ

> >

> > 13 May 2004

> > I lose now. BJP cannot form the government. This is a big

> astrological

> > failure

> > of mine.

> >

> >

> > Yours,

> > K.N.Rao.

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