RE: -RE: Trikala gyan yoga ,information required

May 2, 2004

A small thought,

Moon, denoting mind

could perhaps also be important in Trikala Gyani combination.

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Re: Trikala gyan yoga ,information required

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12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:red">|| Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

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10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue">All Gurus & learned members,

10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue">I'll also like to add few points in case

of trikaal gyana!!

10.0pt;font-family:Arial">

10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue">1)We Pray lord Ganeshji for jyotisha

& all knowledge in universe!! We consider him as Gos for all vidyas

including Jyotisha!! Who represent him? Ketu!! Also see Ketu is strong in

9&12 rasi of Guru !! And lord of 8th house of natural zodiac or Kaal

Purusha! Am i correct! So how we can forget Ketu in judging trikaal gyana!

10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue">So there should be strong 8th house

basically, along with 9th & 12th house.(With purva punya 5th House will

come)

font-family:Arial">

10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue">2)Secondly it is not neccesary Trikaal

Gyani should be an astrologer!! Trikaal Gyana is consider as a siddhi also

which may be obtained by following any path say Karma,Bhakti,Gyan Or (mainly)

Yoga!! The reason is Kaal Purusha is the representative of God when it had

started no one knows! When it will vanish no one knows!! We create measuring

refrences for our own convinience!! So trikaal gyana is related more to

spirituality which includes astrology. Hence if you want to analyse this

phenomena you should analyse the Saints mainly!

10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue">3)I am agree that Guru is major planet

for dharmic things or knowledge of shastras!! But how vedas are generated!!?

But still I agree with Guru because Guru is showing Purva Punya of Jataka !!

Hence It is a natural significator of 5th house!! With poorva punya one get

intuse to go for correct combinations & indications!! Other wise astrologer

may keep wondering in woods of rules given in various scripts. Hence Guru is

also very important.

10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue">So in short I'll say strong

Guru,Ketu,5,8,9,12 houses may create such yogas!!

font-family:Arial">

10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue">Now for Hari,

10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue">I'm having personal experience of many

persons who are not born with trikaal gyana but with Guru's Blessings they have

reached in more depth!!

10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue">And surprisingly they never ask for your

horoscope! What they do is just meditate Or Guru Smaran & come up with such

astonising readings which hardly fails!!

10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue">So according to me when one gets

blessings from Guru he will start on this path! First you will come to know

about Kruta , means how the world is created using 5 tatwas & how it is

running!! But still Sat is long way from there & with SatGuru's guidence

one will cross these boundries of KaalaPurasha!!

10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue">This is my personal opinion & one

may or may not be agree with me. But I will like to get more knowledge from

learned members & Gurus on this (Ketu...) front!! Vaade Vaade Jaayate Tatwa

Bodhah||

font-family:Arial">

color:blue">With warm regards,

color:blue">Vinay Patwardhan

color:red">|| Raghuvir Smaran||

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May 2, 2004

Dear Prashant,

I think what Vinayji says has sense. I remember Visti saying Ketu in AL

indicates one who will learn Jyotish and if in Lagna he will be a

Jyotishi, in Nagpur conference. The later was his comment on my question

as to what happens if Ketu is in Lagna as he had talked about AL only.

Chandrashekhar.

prashantnarang wrote:

> sri guru pada nakha mani joti, sumirat dibya dristi hiya hoti//

> dalan moha tam so saprakasu/ bade bhaag ur aavai jasu//

> (ramcharitmanas)

>

> sadgurudevaaye namah

> dear vinay

> ketu's role is more related to occultism. u will find ketu's role in

> the chart of occultic personalities/ astrologers, scientists,

> mantrgyas, tantriks etc. but, even a bhakta can become trikaal

> darshi.

> now this totaaly depends on the ju or ketu or mutual yoga to show

> various sources of attainment of siddhi. ju shows satwa, guru's

> blessings. ketu may show mantra, tantra or occultic path or

> intuition.

> my ketu is in 5th; aspected by graha dristi of ju(in lagna with

> ketu's dispoistor/5th lord), goes to 12 in navamsa occupies

> nidhanmsa(8th sign of rasi chart). acc to ur theory, i should have

> had these sidhhis very well. but unfortunately except bit of

> intution , there is nothing else. in addition to this, my jupiter is

> in meena navamsa , attains gopuramsa, is in komal shashtyamsa.

> where is "trikaaldarshita" ?

> the recipe is incomplete?!

>

> regards

> prashant

>

> vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay"

> <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote:

> > || Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> >

> > All Gurus & learned members,

> > I'll also like to add few points in case of trikaal gyana!!

> > 1)We Pray lord Ganeshji for jyotisha & all knowledge in universe!!

> We consider him as Gos for all vidyas including Jyotisha!! Who

> represent him? Ketu!! Also see Ketu is strong in 9&12 rasi of

> Guru !! And lord of 8th house of natural zodiac or Kaal Purusha! Am

> i correct! So how we can forget Ketu in judging trikaal gyana!

> > So there should be strong 8th house basically, along with 9th &

> 12th house.(With purva punya 5th House will come)

> > 2)Secondly it is not neccesary Trikaal Gyani should be an

> astrologer!! Trikaal Gyana is consider as a siddhi also which may be

> obtained by following any path say Karma,Bhakti,Gyan Or (mainly)

> Yoga!! The reason is Kaal Purusha is the representative of God when

> it had started no one knows! When it will vanish no one knows!! We

> create measuring refrences for our own convinience!! So trikaal

> gyana is related more to spirituality which includes astrology.

> Hence if you want to analyse this phenomena you should analyse the

> Saints mainly!

> > 3)I am agree that Guru is major planet for dharmic things or

> knowledge of shastras!! But how vedas are generated!!? But still I

> agree with Guru because Guru is showing Purva Punya of Jataka !!

> Hence It is a natural significator of 5th house!! With poorva punya

> one get intuse to go for correct combinations & indications!! Other

> wise astrologer may keep wondering in woods of rules given in

> various scripts. Hence Guru is also very important.

> > So in short I'll say strong Guru,Ketu,5,8,9,12 houses may create

> such yogas!!

> >

> > Now for Hari,

> > I'm having personal experience of many persons who are not born

> with trikaal gyana but with Guru's Blessings they have reached in

> more depth!!

> > And surprisingly they never ask for your horoscope! What they do

> is just meditate Or Guru Smaran & come up with such astonising

> readings which hardly fails!!

> > So according to me when one gets blessings from Guru he will start

> on this path! First you will come to know about Kruta , means how

> the world is created using 5 tatwas & how it is running!! But still

> Sat is long way from there & with SatGuru's guidence one will cross

> these boundries of KaalaPurasha!!

> > This is my personal opinion & one may or may not be agree with me.

> But I will like to get more knowledge from learned members & Gurus

> on this (Ketu...) front!! Vaade Vaade Jaayate Tatwa Bodhah||

> >

> > With warm regards,

> >

> > Vinay Patwardhan

> >

> > || Raghuvir Smaran||

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dear chandrashekhar ji

i did not disagree with what vinay has said. i also appreciate his mail. my

point is ketu will give trikaal gyann (or for that matter any sidhhi) thru

mystical sciences. guru may give it thru satguru's blessings.

regards

prashant

Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Prashant,I think what Vinayji says has sense. I remember Visti saying Ketu

in AL indicates one who will learn Jyotish and if in Lagna he will be a

Jyotishi, in Nagpur conference. The later was his comment on my question as to

what happens if Ketu is in Lagna as he had talked about AL

only.Chandrashekhar.prashantnarang wrote:> sri guru pada nakha mani joti,

sumirat dibya dristi hiya hoti//> dalan moha tam so saprakasu/ bade bhaag ur

aavai jasu//> (ramcharitmanas)>> sadgurudevaaye namah> dear vinay> ketu's role

is more related to occultism. u will find ketu's role in> the chart of occultic

personalities/ astrologers, scientists,> mantrgyas, tantriks etc. but, even a

bhakta can become trikaal> darshi.> now this totaaly depends on the ju or ketu

or mutual yoga to show>

various sources of attainment of siddhi. ju shows satwa, guru's> blessings. ketu

may show mantra, tantra or occultic path or> intuition.> my ketu is in 5th;

aspected by graha dristi of ju(in lagna with> ketu's dispoistor/5th lord), goes

to 12 in navamsa occupies> nidhanmsa(8th sign of rasi chart). acc to ur theory,

i should have> had these sidhhis very well. but unfortunately except bit of>

intution , there is nothing else. in addition to this, my jupiter is> in meena

navamsa , attains gopuramsa, is in komal shashtyamsa.> where is

"trikaaldarshita" ?> the recipe is incomplete?!>> regards> prashant>>>>> --- In

vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay"> wrote:> > || Shri

GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||> >> > All Gurus & learned members,> > I'll also

like to add few points in case of

trikaal gyana!!> > 1)We Pray lord Ganeshji for jyotisha & all knowledge in

universe!!> We consider him as Gos for all vidyas including Jyotisha!! Who>

represent him? Ketu!! Also see Ketu is strong in 9&12 rasi of> Guru !! And lord

of 8th house of natural zodiac or Kaal Purusha! Am> i correct! So how we can

forget Ketu in judging trikaal gyana!> > So there should be strong 8th house

basically, along with 9th &> 12th house.(With purva punya 5th House will come)>

> 2)Secondly it is not neccesary Trikaal Gyani should be an> astrologer!!

Trikaal Gyana is consider as a siddhi also which may be> obtained by following

any path say Karma,Bhakti,Gyan Or (mainly)> Yoga!! The reason is Kaal Purusha

is the representative of God when> it had started no one knows! When it will

vanish no one knows!! We> create measuring refrences for our own convinience!!

So trikaal> gyana is

related more to spirituality which includes astrology.> Hence if you want to

analyse this phenomena you should analyse the> Saints mainly!> > 3)I am agree

that Guru is major planet for dharmic things or> knowledge of shastras!! But

how vedas are generated!!? But still I> agree with Guru because Guru is showing

Purva Punya of Jataka !!> Hence It is a natural significator of 5th house!! With

poorva punya> one get intuse to go for correct combinations & indications!!

Other> wise astrologer may keep wondering in woods of rules given in> various

scripts. Hence Guru is also very important.> > So in short I'll say strong

Guru,Ketu,5,8,9,12 houses may create> such yogas!!> >> > Now for Hari,> > I'm

having personal experience of many persons who are not born> with trikaal gyana

but with Guru's Blessings they have reached in> more depth!!> > And

surprisingly they never ask for your horoscope! What they do> is just meditate

Or Guru Smaran & come up with such astonising> readings which hardly fails!!> >

So according to me when one gets blessings from Guru he will start> on this

path! First you will come to know about Kruta , means how> the world is created

using 5 tatwas & how it is running!! But still> Sat is long way from there &

with SatGuru's guidence one will cross> these boundries of KaalaPurasha!!> >

This is my personal opinion & one may or may not be agree with me.> But I will

like to get more knowledge from learned members & Gurus> on this (Ketu...)

front!! Vaade Vaade Jaayate Tatwa Bodhah||> >> > With warm regards,> >> > Vinay

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Dear Prashant,

I think you are confusing the issues. We are talking about Trikaalagyana

yoga in a horoscope. Whether through mystic practices, Guru's grace or

carrying it through previous birth, the yoga has to be present for one

to become Trikaalagyani. Ketu is a moksha karaka and moksha is anyway

not possible without Guru's Grace, so mystical sciences being the

vehicle of Ketu's yoga might not be quite right.

Chandrashekhar.

prashant narang wrote:

> sadgurudevaaye namah

> dear chandrashekhar ji

> i did not disagree with what vinay has said. i also appreciate his

> mail. my point is ketu will give trikaal gyann (or for that matter any

> sidhhi) thru mystical sciences. guru may give it thru satguru's blessings.

>

> regards

> prashant

>

> */Chandrashekhar <boxdel/* wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant,

> I think what Vinayji says has sense. I remember Visti saying Ketu

> in AL

> indicates one who will learn Jyotish and if in Lagna he will be a

> Jyotishi, in Nagpur conference. The later was his comment on my

> question

> as to what happens if Ketu is in Lagna as he had talked about AL only.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> prashantnarang wrote:

>

> > sri guru pada nakha mani joti, sumirat dibya dristi hiya hoti//

> > dalan moha tam so saprakasu/ bade bhaag ur aavai jasu//

> > (ramcharitmanas)

> >

> > sadgurudevaaye namah

> > dear vinay

> > ketu's role is more related to occultism. u will find ketu's role in

> > the chart of occultic personalities/ astrologers, scientists,

> > mantrgyas, tantriks etc. but, even a bhakta can become trikaal

> > darshi.

> > now this totaaly depends on the ju or ketu or mutual yoga to show

> > various sources of attainment of siddhi. ju shows satwa, guru's

> > blessings. ketu may show mantra, tantra or occultic path or

> > intuition.

> > my ketu is in 5th; aspected by graha dristi of ju(in lagna with

> > ketu's dispoistor/5th lord), goes to 12 in navamsa occupies

> > nidhanmsa(8th sign of rasi chart). acc to ur theory, i should have

> > had these sidhhis very well. but unfortunately except bit of

> > intution , there is nothing else. in addition to this, my jupiter is

> > in meena navamsa , attains gopuramsa, is in komal shashtyamsa.

> > where is "trikaaldarshita" ?

> > the recipe is incomplete?!

> >

> > regards

> > prashant

> >

> > vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay"

> > wrote:

> > > || Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> > >

> > > All Gurus & learned members,

> > > I'll also like to add few points in case of trikaal gyana!!

> > > 1)We Pray lord Ganeshji for jyotisha & all knowledge in universe!!

> > We consider him as Gos for all vidyas including Jyotisha!! Who

> > represent him? Ketu!! Also see Ketu is strong in 9&12 rasi of

> > Guru !! And lord of 8th house of natural zodiac or Kaal Purusha! Am

> > i correct! So how we can forget Ketu in judging trikaal gyana!

> > > So there should be strong 8th house basically, along with 9th &

> > 12th house.(With purva punya 5th House will come)

> > > 2)Secondly it is not neccesary Trikaal Gyani should be an

> > astrologer!! Trikaal Gyana is consider as a siddhi also which may be

> > obtained by following any path say Karma,Bhakti,Gyan Or (mainly)

> > Yoga!! The reason is Kaal Purusha is the representative of God when

> > it had started no one knows! When it will vanish no one knows!! We

> > create measuring refrences for our own convinience!! So trikaal

> > gyana is related more to spirituality which includes astrology.

> > Hence if you want to analyse this phenomena you should analyse the

> > Saints mainly!

> > > 3)I am agree that Guru is major planet for dharmic things or

> > knowledge of shastras!! But how vedas are generated!!? But still I

> > agree with Guru because Guru is showing Purva Punya of Jataka !!

> > Hence It is a natural significator of 5th house!! With poorva punya

> > one get intuse to go for correct combinations & indications!! Other

> > wise astrologer may keep wondering in woods of rules given in

> > various scripts. Hence Guru is also very important.

> > > So in short I'll say strong Guru,Ketu,5,8,9,12 houses may create

> > such yogas!!

> > >

> > > Now for Hari,

> > > I'm having personal experience of many persons who are not born

> > with trikaal gyana but with Guru's Blessings they have reached in

> > more depth!!

> > > And surprisingly they never ask for your horoscope! What they do

> > is just meditate Or Guru Smaran & come up with such astonising

> > readings which hardly fails!!

> > > So according to me when one gets blessings from Guru he will start

> > on this path! First you will come to know about Kruta , means how

> > the world is created using 5 tatwas & how it is running!! But still

> > Sat is long way from there & with SatGuru's guidence one will cross

> > these boundries of KaalaPurasha!!

> > > This is my personal opinion & one may or may not be agree with me.

> > But I will like to get more knowledge from learned members & Gurus

> > on this (Ketu...) front!! Vaade Vaade Jaayate Tatwa Bodhah||

> > >

> > > With warm regards,

> > >

> > > Vinay Patwardhan

> > >

> > > || Raghuvir Smaran||

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May 3, 2004

Dear Prashant,

The ways might or might not be different, but what should be the yoga

and planets involved to make it happen?

Chandrashekhar.

prashantnarang wrote:

> sadgurudevaaye namah

>

> dear vinay & chandrashekhar ji

>

> just to explain , there can b various ways to attain trikaal gyaan.

> -astrology

> -palmistry

> -nimitta

> -mantra

> -bhakti

> -tantra

> -god-realisation

> -pisacha/duramtma sidhi

> -from previous birth

>

> one must see in deatil rasi as well as in navmsa to check what kind

> of yogi/saint/astrologer the person is.

> there will b diffrent combination for above mentioned ways

>

> regards

> prashant

>

> vedic astrology, prashant narang

> <prashantnarang> wrote:

> > sadgurudevaaye namah

> > dear chandrashekhar ji

> > i did not disagree with what vinay has said. i also appreciate

> his mail. my point is ketu will give trikaal gyann (or for that

> matter any sidhhi) thru mystical sciences. guru may give it thru

> satguru's blessings.

> >

> > regards

> > prashant

> >

> > Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> > Dear Prashant,

> > I think what Vinayji says has sense. I remember Visti saying Ketu

> in AL

> > indicates one who will learn Jyotish and if in Lagna he will be a

> > Jyotishi, in Nagpur conference. The later was his comment on my

> question

> > as to what happens if Ketu is in Lagna as he had talked about AL

> only.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > prashantnarang wrote:

> >

> > > sri guru pada nakha mani joti, sumirat dibya dristi hiya hoti//

> > > dalan moha tam so saprakasu/ bade bhaag ur aavai jasu//

> > > (ramcharitmanas)

> > >

> > > sadgurudevaaye namah

> > > dear vinay

> > > ketu's role is more related to occultism. u will find ketu's

> role in

> > > the chart of occultic personalities/ astrologers, scientists,

> > > mantrgyas, tantriks etc. but, even a bhakta can become trikaal

> > > darshi.

> > > now this totaaly depends on the ju or ketu or mutual yoga to show

> > > various sources of attainment of siddhi. ju shows satwa, guru's

> > > blessings. ketu may show mantra, tantra or occultic path or

> > > intuition.

> > > my ketu is in 5th; aspected by graha dristi of ju(in lagna with

> > > ketu's dispoistor/5th lord), goes to 12 in navamsa occupies

> > > nidhanmsa(8th sign of rasi chart). acc to ur theory, i should

> have

> > > had these sidhhis very well. but unfortunately except bit of

> > > intution , there is nothing else. in addition to this, my

> jupiter is

> > > in meena navamsa , attains gopuramsa, is in komal shashtyamsa.

> > > where is "trikaaldarshita" ?

> > > the recipe is incomplete?!

> > >

> > > regards

> > > prashant

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "patwardhanvinay"

> > >

> > wrote:

> > > > || Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

> > > >

> > > > All Gurus & learned members,

> > > > I'll also like to add few points in case of trikaal gyana!!

> > > > 1)We Pray lord Ganeshji for jyotisha & all knowledge in

> universe!!

> > > We consider him as Gos for all vidyas including Jyotisha!! Who

> > > represent him? Ketu!! Also see Ketu is strong in 9&12 rasi of

> > > Guru !! And lord of 8th house of natural zodiac or Kaal Purusha!

> Am

> > > i correct! So how we can forget Ketu in judging trikaal gyana!

> > > > So there should be strong 8th house basically, along with 9th &

> > > 12th house.(With purva punya 5th House will come)

> > > > 2)Secondly it is not neccesary Trikaal Gyani should be an

> > > astrologer!! Trikaal Gyana is consider as a siddhi also which

> may be

> > > obtained by following any path say Karma,Bhakti,Gyan Or (mainly)

> > > Yoga!! The reason is Kaal Purusha is the representative of God

> when

> > > it had started no one knows! When it will vanish no one knows!!

> We

> > > create measuring refrences for our own convinience!! So trikaal

> > > gyana is related more to spirituality which includes astrology.

> > > Hence if you want to analyse this phenomena you should analyse

> the

> > > Saints mainly!

> > > > 3)I am agree that Guru is major planet for dharmic things or

> > > knowledge of shastras!! But how vedas are generated!!? But still

> I

> > > agree with Guru because Guru is showing Purva Punya of Jataka !!

> > > Hence It is a natural significator of 5th house!! With poorva

> punya

> > > one get intuse to go for correct combinations & indications!!

> Other

> > > wise astrologer may keep wondering in woods of rules given in

> > > various scripts. Hence Guru is also very important.

> > > > So in short I'll say strong Guru,Ketu,5,8,9,12 houses may

> create

> > > such yogas!!

> > > >

> > > > Now for Hari,

> > > > I'm having personal experience of many persons who are not born

> > > with trikaal gyana but with Guru's Blessings they have reached in

> > > more depth!!

> > > > And surprisingly they never ask for your horoscope! What they

> do

> > > is just meditate Or Guru Smaran & come up with such astonising

> > > readings which hardly fails!!

> > > > So according to me when one gets blessings from Guru he will

> start

> > > on this path! First you will come to know about Kruta , means how

> > > the world is created using 5 tatwas & how it is running!! But

> still

> > > Sat is long way from there & with SatGuru's guidence one will

> cross

> > > these boundries of KaalaPurasha!!

> > > > This is my personal opinion & one may or may not be agree with

> me.

> > > But I will like to get more knowledge from learned members &

> Gurus

> > > on this (Ketu...) front!! Vaade Vaade Jaayate Tatwa Bodhah||

> > > >

> > > > With warm regards,

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May 3, 2004

Dear Vinay,

The point I was trying to make is that mere presence of certain planet

in certain amsha or multiple good vargas alone might not be able to give

Trikalagyan. Unless the planet is a functional benefic and in proper

placement in the natal Chart a yoga can not occur. Any yoga must be

tested against the sound principles of Astrology given to us by the

sages. At least this is what I personally think.

Chandrashekhar.

patwardhanvinay wrote:

> ||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

>

> Dear Prashant, Shri Chandrashekarji,

>

> Many thanks for reply!!

>

> Now Prashant you point out correctly that something is missing in my

> post & there should be something more!!

>

> Yes Gurus & learned members may Guide us!! Also my purpose to add the

> discussion with some other aspects is fulfilled! Now we may know more

> details!!

>

> I remember old days, (Not very old as I'm also very young) when I used

> to get tempt by seeing just one combination in chart & start

> predicting !! Obviously teacher says Vinay Astrology is not a formula,

> x+y=z. For one event single planet does not work Infact All 9 planets

> when they give their contribution along with Dasa & Transit with

> Different Bhavas Then only one can step ahead in any field!!

>

> Now again Prashant has given various methods by which one can become

> Trikaal Gyani, I'm totally agree with him and I think we all should

> know about various Grahas & Bhavas combination for all these!! And one

> more part why I bring in ketu in divya drishti discussion! Can any one

> who is not expert in mantras, spirituality (Any of 4 ways) and Main

> point is without oposing wordly desires (Bhoga Marga) will have

> drishti (I think without Vairagya Even Guru will not bless Shishya

> with such extreme powers, except Picchacha marg but I don't think him

> as Trikaal Gyani) !! Again this is not a single phenomena of Ketu but

> every thing should go by hand in hand!! Also I mention this

> combination because I read in Kundali Sangraha of (V.D.Bhat & M.D.

> Bhat : Authors) Maharashtra , where these two legends mention this

> combination (5,9,12) in every saints chart!! Unfortunately I don't

> have that Kundali Sangraha with me! But I think Shri Chandrashekharji

> Or Shri Devvrataji can help us! (I think either of them is related to

> Maharashtra Jyotish Parishad )

>

> I think Chandrashekarji is doing a great contribution by keeping such

> tests!! Every one should contribute so as we can feel the real

> importance of Trikaal Drashta!!

>

> So what could be the final combination required for Trikaal Drishti? (

> To sum up is important and who is going to do it? Otherwise it's a

> endless story!!)

>

> With warm regards,

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> Vinay

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::om namo bhagavate vÄsudevÄya::

Dear Ramdas ji

The word Svamsa is debatable. My elder brother and many others I know have

Jupiter in its own sign in the navamsa and this has not given them an iota of

ability in becoming a Trikalagyna. The word Svamsa should be understood from

Jaimini's Upadesa as being the amsa of the 'Sva' which can mean lagna navamsa

or can also mean sva (lagna) shastyamsa depending on the context of use. We

agree that generally the word amsa refers to navamsa. If we interpret the word

Svamsa in any other way then the whole chapter of Jaimini starting with svamse

grahanaam will have to be reinterpreted again.

Now you see the next word used immediately after that is Mridvamsa and refers to

the Mridu shastyamsa which can mean either (1) Mridu shastyamsa specifically or

(2) Any beneficial shastyamsa based on the sign owned by the lord of shastyamsa

division as Mrudu can also mean very nice or good as pointed out by Narasimha

correctly. However let us accept that Mridu shastyams is being referred to.

Gopuramsa is among the Varga status obtained by virtue of its posiitin in

various signs in the D-charts.

Then Subhamse indicates that it occupies the navamsa of a benefic planet in

navamsa atleast if not shastyamsa as well.

Then finally Subhavikshite....

Do you think that in this Kali yuga Juiter can ever occupy such a perfect

position? I don't think this can happen. Garga Muni was right in saying that

such a perfect Muhurta is not going to come during Kali yuga. Then we have the

option of diluting some of the requirements so that it fits some charts that we

can somehow explain.

This is a very good exercise you have started so that we can atleast attempt to

find that one perfect Muhurta when Jupiter is so well placed. It also gives us

an idea of who we have to pray to to become TRIKAALA GYANI. I think it has to

be Guru Kripa and for this we have to worship the Guru.

With best regards,

Sanjay Rath

SJC Puri, 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India

Tel: +91.6752.226269 http://srath.com

Ramadas Rao [ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in] Tuesday, May 04, 2004

10:48 AMvedic astrologySubject: Re:-RE: [vedic astrology]

Re: Trikala gyan yoga ,information required

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo nÃ¤rÃ¤yaÃ«Ã¤ya|

Dear Vinay and Other listed members,

When I explained 1st time about Trikala Jnaana Yoga, I forgotten to give the

concerned Shloka from Varaha Mihira's Brihat Jataka .So here is the Shloka for

Trikala Jnaana Yoga :

iÃ‡kalJnae Ã‰veÂ¾Ive Sva<ze Ã¨uÃ–<zs<yute,

gaepura*<zkeVyapI zuÃ‰a<ze zuÃ‰vIi]te.

I hope now anybody can decode this Shloka.Now as per this Shloka which is taken

from Bhava Jeeva Prakarana in Brihat Jataka,if Guru is in his own

Navamsha,Mrudvamsha,Gopuramsha or in Shubhaamsha aspected by Shubha Planets (

benefics ), the native becomes a Trikalajna.

But onething I can say is that a Trikalajna may not be a Jyotishi.This divine

power comes from past Karmas.So I think D-60 has to be studied in detail.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

patwardhanvinay <patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

||Shri GaneshDattaGurubhyo Namah||

Dear Prashant, Shri Chandrashekarji,

Many thanks for reply!!

Now Prashant you point out correctly that something is missing in my post &

there should be something more!!

Yes Gurus & learned members may Guide us!! Also my purpose to add the discussion

with some other aspects is fulfilled! Now we may know more details!!

I remember old days, (Not very old as I'm also very young) when I used to get

tempt by seeing just one combination in chart & start predicting !! Obviously

teacher says Vinay Astrology is not a formula, x+y=z. For one event single

planet does not work Infact All 9 planets when they give their contribution

along with Dasa & Transit with Different Bhavas Then only one can step ahead in

any field!!

Now again Prashant has given various methods by which one can become Trikaal

Gyani, I'm totally agree with him and I think we all should know about various

Grahas & Bhavas combination for all these!! And one more part why I bring in

ketu in divya drishti discussion! Can any one who is not expert in mantras,

spirituality (Any of 4 ways) and Main point is without oposing wordly desires

(Bhoga Marga) will have drishti (I think without Vairagya Even Guru will not

bless Shishya with such extreme powers, except Picchacha marg but I don't think

him as Trikaal Gyani) !! Again this is not a single phenomena of Ketu but every

thing should go by hand in hand!! Also I mention this combination because I

read in Kundali Sangraha of (V.D.Bhat & M.D. Bhat : Authors) Maharashtra ,

where these two legends mention this combination (5,9,12) in every saints

chart!! Unfortunately I don't have that Kundali Sangraha with me! But I think

Shri Chandrashekharji Or Shri Devvrataji can help us! (I think either of them

is related to Maharashtra Jyotish Parishad )

I think Chandrashekarji is doing a great contribution by keeping such tests!!

Every one should contribute so as we can feel the real importance of Trikaal

Drashta!!

So what could be the final combination required for Trikaal Drishti? ( To sum up

is important and who is going to do it? Otherwise it's a endless story!!)

With warm regards,

Vinay

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om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Sanjay Ji,

Thanks for your interpretation of Trikala Jnaana Yoga.Now I also said in my

previous mails that Guru can be in benefic Shastiamshas and also can be in his

exaltation Navamsha including his own Navamshas.Also as you said,in this Kali

Yuga, we may not be able to find this kind of Yoga and many other such

Yogas.Anyhow we can try to modify the Shloka given by Shri Avantikacharya or

Varaha Mihiracharya.But while studying this great Grantha,I did not read about,

he is using Svamsha for Navamsha Lagna as in Jaimini's Upadesha Sutras.Anyhow

this can be debatable.

Thanks for your valuable inputs.

Today afternoon I tried to call you by Phone at around 2 Pm IST just to say hello.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Sanjay Rath <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote:

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