Rao Nemani - stop bullying

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To Rao Nemani,

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Namaste Sunil Ji,

 

SJ: Since when have I become the additional Ji, you never addressed me before

with that Ji, why have u done so now, did I give a great astrology lesson that

I be called Ji or was it to insult. As everyone knows I have so many times

politely said on the list that I do not require that Ji for various purposes,

one I am not a learned astrologer and most imp I don't quote unlike others (u

know who) "In one year I need to get that Ji to my name", since the aim of

astrology I feel is not to get that Ji. Also if ever I would reach that stage

where I am learned and people call me Ji, I really wouldn't require it , for

with learning hopefully I shall be wise knowing that the use of that Ji holds

nothing for me.

 

Thanks for the note and looks like I have offended you by giving my suggestion

and for that I am sorry and also apologize.

 

SJ: Just words what u have written, if you had meant it ur below letter wouldnt

have been what u wrote. So easy to apologise and gain sympathy and respect

among members, tough to mean it with heart and act on it.

 

You know, I have recognized after reading your lengthy message, that why I have

suggested not send those "Test Messages" to the list, instead I should have put

a filter to block mails from folks like you, with a few key words "Test or test

", which I have done today. I should have done that earlier. See, We / I have

the technology in our hands but not used in time. You know, that is a lesson

for me.

 

Well, you have written, many things about our VA List vs. GJ, GK, GM lists etc.,

and Astrologers ego and pride, AK Sun etc., I do not want to comment on that as

I do not read those list messages and participate in other than SJC lists as of

today, so I do not know what you are talking about. My focus and mission is

very simple and clear, which is learn Jyotish and assist people, nothing less

and more.

 

SJ: Is it , is that the focus, trust me many on the list also know it is not.

The GJ, GK, GM sounds like one of my scripts from the serials that I produce,

whenever we want to avoid something we use such phrases in our comedy scripts.

U couldnt reply straight hence you adopted that and you have nicely avoided

replying properly. Did u miss on the 1800/20 proportion, the HURT that is

caused by the rudeness and high handness, those were the prime points but u

missed it in your very polite letter.

 

For your information, the Sade Sati Mantra's pronunciation was approved my Guru

Ji, prior to sending to you. So I really do not worry other people’s opinion

on my writing or pronunciation of the Mantras, as my Guru Ji had given the

approval and blessings to me. That is all I care about.

 

SJ: U need not tell me it was approved since yesterday only me, u and ur guru

had exchanged emails on that and there was no ambiguity in that since when RR

authenticates it, it is authenticated. How could I have a problem in your

pronounciation when I don't know ABCD of sanskrit, when I am myself taking ur

help in pronouncing it for me, as you very well know it was someone else and

that someone else didn't have a problem, just wanted clarification like any

other student in this list. and u very well know it was clarification that he

asked, that was his tone, the point is that u are trying to say that u do not

worry about other people's opinion on ur writing etc, well if that was the

attitude then here on this list no discussion or debate would have ever

happened on any subject, least to say mantras???????

 

If you decide to write to me personally in the future, you will still need to

follow the font colors which I like it ( either black or blue only).

 

SJ: Smart, I must admit very smart, well you turned it nicely, it wasn't my

personal mail upon which you had suggested that I do not use colors, it was my

mails on the list, upon which I remember my reply very clearly I had asked u if

u have problems with colors pls change the options to plain text. And then I

find you urself using color on the list. And to answer ur statement befittinly

on writing to u on the font colors that u like, well you are no GOD for whom I

shall bow down in a particular manner and only then my prayers shall be

answered. Infact the wise say that GOD requires no bowing down (literally)

since on planet Earth there is only one rule and that there is no rule.

 

Sunil Ji, who are we to decide to learn Jyotish or Stop learning Jyotish or even

to be part of this lists and not part of the VA-list. I believe all these

things are pre-defined so I really do not worry too much, for me being out of

the list or you or any one else. You should know these things better than me

as you are my Sr. Student in every respect in Jyotish learning, is it not?

 

SJ: By being polite things never change that much in life, what harm is done is

done, it is very easy to be polite and extra polite on the list and be

different off the list. I really beleive you that you shall never ever worry if

me or someone else was off the list, since I know you too well. I have been

extra sweet on the list but this time I shall not be, as to me being ur senior,

hmmm I wonder if i am and everyone knows the truth who is senior so pls do not

try to bow down to rise up smartly. Everyone knows of ur nature off the list

and on the list. So far I have tolerated you since you are RRs sishya, today I

lost my cool. I have been very polite with my heart for all this period of 2

yrs, but now I won't go on with it esp with you.

 

You wrote about pre-defined events, if i am not wrong Giants like PVR and SR

might not agree to everything being pre-determined. I have heard SR say that

25% is the amount of free will. So was ur writing that letter and several

others showing ur high handed ness an act of Free will and is mine writing this

letter an act of free will ??? PDs, ADs can be bad but exact min when the mind

snaps and can that mind be controlled at that moment - thats where free will

can come. If everything was pre-defined Osama and Saddam should be given noble

prices, how can we blame them for their acts when it was already pre-defined by

the Universe. Why do humans blame each other when everything is pre-defined,

forget humans they do not know astrology, I have seen astrologers also blame

each other or non astrologers, then all the fights or debates on this list were

pre-defined and no one blamed anyone??? Remember the debate over Shiva and

Vishnu?? did anyone blame anyone?

 

 

Getting tangential since this is my last post, I do not beleive in 25% or 33%

being free will, I beleive and somewhat successfully researched that it varies

from person to person. When good fortune or bad can vary from chart to chart

can't Free Will, recently I got a technique which calculates the exact

percentage of free will in every chart, I beleive that technique is right but

there is some mathematical problem in it, although the percentages proportion

matches with what most spiritualists say, but I have found another technique

from a friend who has visited Yogis who were brilliant astrologers and got this

from him, I beleive that technique in finding out the percentage of free will in

diff charts can be more dependable. I have always shared all information in the

list but that I haven't since I was on oath.

 

 

Anyways, I would like to stop here and prefer not to discuss about this any more

in this list or privately.

SJ: The reason you do not wish to discuss is very clear and everyone can guess it why.

 

Sunil John

Und now

 

RegardsRaghunadha Rao

 

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Message 39886

 

"Sunil John" <suniljohn_2004@h...> Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:20

am Rao Nemani - stop bullying Rao Nemani,

Stop policing. If u read the subject of the mail that I sent, it stated clearly

"pls ignore". If your intention was really to help me through my technology

crisis during Mer R, then you would have written to me privately as you have

done in other instances in the past when it has suited you. We normally

exchange emails regularly, and in the past few days we have been very regular,

so how come u decided to write on the list that kind of mail or was ur

intention to show off your authority.There are many non-content based emails,

people replying back saying "thank you" , for some they are very much non

(astrological) content based, how come you don't tell them to stop sending or

best make them stop. What you wrote might be something insignificant to many,

but let me assure everyone that there is a history behind it and I have been

observing it very closely since the last one year. A year back you had a

problem that I was using color in my emails and at that moment you wrote to me

privately asking me to stop using color, I had to go to a psychiatrist since I

never found anyone in life who does not like color, so I thought there might be

something wrong with me, the psychiatrist told me a different story altogether

which I shall not repeat here. Now I see you using color in ur own emails.???I

can understand some people might not like all the colors that I use, but I feel

I chose colors depending on the mood, I try to tune in to my inner self. The

person who pointed out the so called error in your recitation of the remedies

in Sadesathi, didn't have any wrong intention, it was my mistake that I

forwarded his complete email to you since I was in a hurry. Let me assure you

that his intention was only to help in forwarding the correct mantras to

people facing sadesathi crisis. I agree I have been facing on and off problems

on technology front the last 15 days or so and I apologise to the list for the

many test mails that I send, I think Saaji also wrote to me saying that he is

also facing problems in the same respect, but I presume I have been notoriously

afflicted. The point that I am trying to make here is that you always display

high handedness, you are no doubt a great astrology student, I have publicly

and privately flowered you with praises, when people write to me personally to

do their readings I direct them to you too. You have 4 planets in the 8th

house, no doubt u you would be a good astrologer. Your AK is Sun, hence I have

for so long been quiet and allowed you to continue your high handedness, but

pls remember my AK is also the Sun, in the 11th house and very much exalted, so

I can also put u to place although I agree that my AK replacement would be

complete soon. Do you realise, that in Sept 2002, when I started astrology

learning I had written to the list, I had answered that lord of Sc is Mars,

someone had rudely replied back that it was Ketu, I was scared for months and

stopped astrology and then later on collected myself and started reading the

list and posting queries slowly, but everytime I wrote on the list, I would be

scared that someone would be rude, someone will scold me for my limited

knowledge. It has taken me nearly 2 yrs to let go of this fear which would

persist throughout the day, every single day full of agony when I would

participate on the list, while driving I would worry would someone be offended,

would someone scold me for a stupid query. Meetings with SR, Ramadas Rao, hand

holding of Chandrashekhar, Visti, Swee, my other global friends n many others

have helped me to finally break off that fear majorly which was such an

integral part of my agony which i suffered due to the constant strict attitude

that was displayed by some members of this list, but I never complained. Even

when my western friends spoke about this aspect of the list, I only defended

the list and said that sometimes we indians can appear on email to be rude but

we are not otherwise rude. Ever wondered why the GJ list has so many

westerners than our list, wherein the same subject is discussed. I have loved

this list like anything and it always hurt me that why can't we display more

compassion, more love to other fellow members, why someone has to show that he

is the one who has started the thread, why can't we show more welcoming arms to

the west and east and spread this science with patience and compassion. 1800

people are there on this list, only 20 write why, are they non-knowledgeable

and if we say that 200 are students, then why aren't the 200 writing on the

list,are they too scared to ask on the list, WHY? U seem to have once again

displayed this attitude, did I commit a Great Sin, something that to your non

liking has come to ur mail box, did your lap top crash due to my mail?? Did I

send a sex based email, that it is so much to ur non liking. If Sanjay Rath or

PVR would have sent so many test mails, would you have written to them and said

that u do not like NON Content mails coming to ur mail box. If people call

Astrology a spiritual science, I always ask why do we all in astrology have

Ego, how can Spirituality and Ego go together. I was about to give up on

astrology due to this, since I felt that the pride of a true prediction or the

pride of knowledge can increase my ego, i was in that crisis from 2 yrs until I

was patted on the back by SR and Visti at the Nagpur conference and inspired to

continue with my studies. I wished I had listened to Ramadas Rao, when I was at

his native place, where he said I should go back to my spirituality doing inner

learning, he had answered this when I had told him about my agony when I see

astrologers with Ego and their high handedness. Alas, I didn't listen to him

and from the last 1 month have been so active on the list, that I have even

forgotten to post my CV, since I am unemployed esp when I desperately need

money. I can go on and on and bring in real facts in this letter where more

truer picture would be revealed but I shall leave it here, since u do good with

ur astrology by helping people on the list. Thanks for ur email, consequently I

am off the list, maybe I shall complete the threads that i initiated and then

be off for good. The Moderator can throw me out before that if he wishes, since

I might have outspoken myself maybe. Sunil John

 

>[vedic astrology] Re: test pls ignore

>

>Hare Rama Krishna

>

>Dear Sunil,

>

>Why many test message only from you. It may be a good idea to

>use only one mail id for the list. Write to me privately, may

>be I can help resolving your issue and why you have to send

>test message frequently. May be not.

>

>Regards

>Raghunadha Rao

>P.S: Administrator please execume me writing this, as I do not

>like this non content based mail coming to my mail box.