Fw: Gem (11th from AL & IL ) Stone wearing ( in Conversation with Visti)

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Dear Friends,

Some exchanges between me and Visti on this topic, thought would post it on the list for everyone.

 

With Blessings of the Divine Mother

 

Sunil John

- Visti @ Jagannathpuri

suniljohn_2004 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:16 AM

RE: Gem (11th from AL & IL ) Stone wearing & Kala Chakra Table

|Hare Rama Krishna|

Dear Sunil, Namaskar.

I have tried to answer some of your queries. Keep in mind that there are almost

NO classic sources on Gemstones, and most of the knowledge comes from

Parampara. Also one has to be flexible with the way Gemstones are used.

Some are used for;

Long periods of time

Some only until a Dasa ends

The latter usage gives us a lot of flexibility, i.e. we may even be prompted to

take up Dusthäna lordships to correct a problem! This usage requires a lot of

thought and practice.

Now stepwise comments below.

Best wishes, Visti.

Dear Astrologers, Ramadasji and Guru Partha and everyone,

Since right now the topic is on gemstone wearing, I would prefer asking a query

on it also it shall benefit me personally.

Pls guide my thinking here :-

 

1. For strengthening a planet we wear gemstone in the right hand.

Visti: Savya and Apasavya, Siddha and Ulta, Right and Left. That’s the basis

from simple hindu philosophy. Coming to the core vedic philosophy, study the

Dhyana for the Brihaspati Gayatri (can be found in VRA) where the difference

between left handed worship and right handed worship is shown. Shiva is usually

depicted with only his right hand in Jnäna Mudra, whilst the left hand is always

downwards, i.e. palms down in denial of the left-handed or bhoga-worship.

 

2. We can wear gemstone in index finger, but there it can result in increase in

ego (although increase in ego can be a boon for some)

Visti: yup – its Tarjani.

 

3. Gem of the 11th from AL if a planet is placed is extremely good. SR says one

can easily wear this, without any exception.

Visti: The exception is that it must be well placed. The 9th lord can be worn without fail.

 

4. If there is no planet in the 11th from AL, can we recommend the lord of the

sign, and in case of Sc or Aq, the lord which ever is stronger.

Visti: Yes, that planet is responsible for actually causing the gains to come.

But what if this lord is also 8th lord from lagna? That’s why we have to be

careful.

5. For weakening a planet we recommend the stone in the left hand.

Visti: yes. To shed off the effects of the planet.

6. If deb planets stones are to be put we recommend stone in the left hand

Visti: NO. Deb planets can be extremely beneficial, we do not wanto debilitate

auspicious planets. First judge what that planet is doing for you, even thou it

is in debilitation.

7. Can we also recommend the stone similarly of the 11th from Indu Lagna since

that is the one giving prosperity.

Visti: no comment. I believe the Indu Lagna popularly used is wrongly

calculated, but unfortunately I wouldn’t know the right calculation, so this I

cannot comment on.

8. If 11th from AL has a deb planet so should we recommend a stone to be worn in

the left hand, will it still give money??

Visti: wrong basis, a debilitated planet in 11th from AL will give lots of

gains. Preferably that quality is strengthened. However also analyze this

debilitated planet from Lagna. If this is in the 8th house a risk of the money

coming from inheritance, i.e. someone dying. Do you wanto strengthen that?

 

9. What happens if that planet stone is in badhak house, will it activate the badhak

Visti: It will unless its 5th or 9th lord, then it will pacify the badhak. The

reason being that 5th or 9th lords in Badhak Sthana shows the negligence of the

deity, and one should wear its gem as a method of worship.

 

10. How do we use Kaal Chakra Table in selection of time to wear any stone, say

eg Jup in Cancer, so should it be on Monday during Jup Hora in the Kaala Chakra

table.

Visti: That’s not how the Kaala Chakra Table is used. But I will give you some

deeper insight; The time of weakening the evil effect of a planet is the day of

its sign placement and the Kaala (not hora) it lords.

i.e. in the case of Jupiter in Cancer, it would be Monday during Jupiters Kaala.

 

Now the time of strengthening the planet is the day and/or Hora it lords. i.e.

incase of Jupiter its Thursday and/or Jupiter Hora.

 

So – Hora shows when that planet is strong and Kaala shows when the planets evil rises.

 

11. Kaala chakra table is used to fasten the remedial effects, am i right.

Visti: The Kaala Chakra Table is used to determine what the effect of the Gem

will be on our Pranas. Now the Kaala Chakra Table is based on 28 Naxatras. Have

you ever seen Astrologers use the Naxatra of a planetary position to determine

the auspiciousness of a gem? Those astrologers have memorized the Kaala Chakra

positions in their head, just by referring to the natives moon-naxatra and

counting the naxatra positions therefrom. In this way many astrologers hide

their predictive techniques through mere use of their calculative power.

 

Would be obliged if answered,

Thanks

 

 

With Blessings of the Divine Mother

 

Sunil John

P.S: If there is delay in me replying back it is due to my email account playing

up, so pls dont mind.