Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Looks, like mer retrograde is in top gear. Last night I was doing some basic reading on eclipse, it seems this is the effect of the coming one. Sushmita --- Sunil John <jjnet2000_in wrote: > Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:14:39 -0700 (PDT) > Sunil John <jjnet2000_in > sushmita34 > > Dear Sush, > I am once again facing problems in sending mails > from > my hotmail account or even receiving them. Pls > forward > it to the VA list as this is my last email. > > With Blessings of the Divine Mother > > Sunil John > - > Sunil John > Vedic Astrology > Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:21 AM > Rao Nemani - stop bullying > > > To Rao Nemani, > Find my reply below > Hare Rama Krishna > > Namaste Sunil Ji, > > SJ: Since when have I become the additional Ji, you > never addressed me before with that Ji, why have u > done so now, did I give a great astrology lesson > that > I be called Ji or was it to insult. As everyone > knows > I have so many times politely said on the list that > I > do not require that Ji for various purposes, one I > am > not a learned astrologer and most imp I don't quote > unlike others (u know who) "In one year I need to > get > that Ji to my name", since the aim of astrology I > feel is not to get that Ji. Also if ever I would > reach > that stage where I am learned and people call me Ji, > I > really wouldn't require it , for with learning > hopefully I shall be wise knowing that the use of > that > Ji holds nothing for me. > > Thanks for the note and looks like I have offended > you > by giving my suggestion and for that I am sorry and > also apologize. > > SJ: Just words what u have written, if you had meant > it ur below letter wouldnt have been what u wrote. > So > easy to apologise and gain sympathy and respect > among > members, tough to mean it with heart and act on it. > > > You know, I have recognized after reading your > lengthy > message, that why I have suggested not send those > "Test Messages" to the list, instead I should have > put > a filter to block mails from folks like you, with a > few key words "Test or test ", which I have done > today. I should have done that earlier. See, We / > I > have the technology in our hands but not used in > time. > You know, that is a lesson for me. > > Well, you have written, many things about our VA > List > .vs. GJ, GK, GM lists etc., and Astrologers ego and > pride, AK Sun etc., I do not want to comment on > that > as I do not read those list messages and participate > in other than SJC lists as of today, so I do not > know > what you are talking about. My focus and mission is > very simple and clear, which is learn Jyotish and > assist people, nothing less and more. > > SJ: Is it , is that the focus, trust me many on the > list also know it is not. The GJ, GK, GM sounds like > one of my scripts from the serials that I produce, > whenever we want to avoid something we use such > phrases in our comedy scripts. U couldnt reply > straight hence you adopted that and you have nicely > avoided replying properly. Did u miss on the 1800/20 > proportion, the HURT that is caused by the rudeness > and high handness, those were the prime points but u > missed it in your very polite letter. > > For your information, the Sade Sati Mantra's > pronunciation was approved my Guru Ji, prior to > sending to you. So I really do not worry other > people’s opinion on my writing or pronunciation of > the > Mantras, as my Guru Ji had given the approval and > blessings to me. That is all I care about. > > SJ: U need not tell me it was approved since > yesterday > only me, u and ur guru had exchanged emails on that > and there was no ambiguity in that since when RR > authenticates it, it is authenticated. How could I > have a problem in your pronounciation when I don't > know ABCD of sanskrit, when I am myself taking ur > help > in pronouncing it for me, as you very well know it > was > someone else and that someone else didn't have a > problem, just wanted clarification like any other > student in this list. and u very well know it was > clarification that he asked, that was his tone, the > point is that u are trying to say that u do not > worry > about other people's opinion on ur writing etc, well > if that was the attitude then here on this list no > discussion or debate would have ever happened on any > subject, least to say mantras??????? > > If you decide to write to me personally in the > future, > you will still need to follow the font colors which > I > like it ( either black or blue only). > > SJ: Smart, I must admit very smart, well you turned > it > nicely, it wasn't my personal mail upon which you > had > suggested that I do not use colors, it was my mails > on > the list, upon which I remember my reply very > clearly > I had asked u if u have problems with colors pls > change the options to plain text. And then I find > you > urself using color on the list. And to answer ur > statement befittinly on writing to u on the font > colors that u like, well you are no GOD for whom I > shall bow down in a particular manner and only then > my > prayers shall be answered. Infact the wise say that > GOD requires no bowing down (literally) since on > planet Earth there is only one rule and that there > is > no rule. > > Sunil Ji, who are we to decide to learn Jyotish or > Stop learning Jyotish or even to be part of this > lists > and not part of the VA-list. I believe all these > things are pre-defined so I really do not worry too > much, for me being out of the list or you or any one > else. You should know these things better than me > as > you are my Sr. Student in every respect in Jyotish > learning, is it not? > > SJ: By being polite things never change that much in > life, what harm is done is done, it is very easy to > be polite and extra polite on the list and be > different off the list. I really beleive you that > you > shall never ever worry if me or someone else was off > the list, since I know you too well. I have been > extra > sweet on the list but this time I shall not be, as > to > me being ur senior, hmmm I wonder if i am and > everyone > knows the truth who is senior so pls do not try to > bow > down to rise up smartly. Everyone knows of ur nature > off the list and on the list. So far I have > tolerated > you since you are RRs sishya, today I lost my cool. > I > have been very polite with my heart for all this > period of 2 yrs, but now I won't go on with it esp > with you. > > You wrote about pre-defined events, if i am not > wrong > Giants like PVR and SR might not agree to everything > being pre-determined. I have heard SR say that 25% > is > the amount of free will. So was ur writing that > letter > and several others showing ur high handed ness an > act > of Free will and is mine writing this letter an act > of > free will ??? PDs, ADs can be bad but exact min when > the mind snaps and can that mind be controlled at > that > moment - thats where free will can come. If > everything > was pre-defined Osama and Saddam should be given > noble > prices, how can we blame them for their acts when it > was already pre-defined by the Universe. Why do > humans > blame each other when everything is pre-defined, > forget humans they do not know astrology, I have > seen > astrologers also blame each other or non > astrologers, > then all the fights or debates on this list were > pre-defined and no one blamed anyone??? Remember the > debate over Shiva and Vishnu?? did anyone blame > anyone? > > > Getting tangential since this is my last post, I do > not beleive in 25% or 33% being free will, I beleive > and somewhat successfully researched that it varies > from person to person. When good fortune or bad can > vary from chart to chart can't Free Will, recently I > got a technique which calculates the exact > percentage > of free will in every chart, I beleive that > technique > is right but there is some mathematical problem in > it, > although the percentages proportion matches with > what > most spiritualists say, but I have found another > technique from a friend who has visited Yogis who > were > brilliant astrologers and got this from him, I > beleive > that technique in finding out the percentage of free > will in diff charts can be more dependable. I have > always shared all information in the list but that I > haven't since I was on oath. > > > Anyways, I would like to stop here and prefer not to > discuss about this any more in this list or > privately. > SJ: The reason you do not wish to discuss is very > clear and everyone can guess it why. > > Sunil John > Und now > > Regards > Raghunadha Rao > > ---- original message -- > Message 39886 > > "Sunil John" <suniljohn_2004@h...> > Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:20 am > Rao Nemani - stop bullying > > Rao Nemani, > Stop policing. If u read the subject of the mail > that > I sent, it stated clearly "pls ignore". If your > intention was really to help me through my > technology > crisis during Mer R, then you would have written to > me > privately as you have done in other instances in the > past when it has suited you. We normally exchange > emails regularly, and in the past few days we have > been very regular, so how come u decided to write on > the list that kind of mail or was ur intention to > show > off your authority. > There are many non-content based emails, people > replying back saying "thank you" , for some they are > very much non (astrological) content based, how come > you don't tell them to stop sending or best make > them > stop. > > What you wrote might be something insignificant to > many, but let me assure everyone that there is a > history behind it and I have been observing it very > closely since the last one year. > > A year back you had a problem that I was using color > in my emails and at that moment you wrote to me > privately asking me to stop using color, I had to go > to a psychiatrist since I never found anyone in life > who does not like color, so I thought there might be > something wrong with me, the psychiatrist told me a > different story altogether which I shall not repeat > here. Now I see you using color in ur own emails.??? > I can understand some people might not like all the > colors that I use, but I feel I chose colors > depending > on the mood, I try to tune in to my inner self. > > The person who pointed out the so called error in > your > recitation of the remedies in Sadesathi, didn't have > any wrong intention, it was my mistake that I > forwarded his complete email to you since I was in a > hurry. Let me assure you that his intention was > only > to help in forwarding the correct mantras to people > facing sadesathi crisis. > > I agree I have been facing on and off problems on > technology front the last 15 days or so and I > apologise to the list for the many test mails that I > send, I think Saaji also wrote to me saying that he > is > also facing problems in the same respect, but I > presume I have been notoriously afflicted. > > The point that I am trying to make here is that you > always display high handedness, you are no doubt a > great astrology student, I have publicly and > privately > flowered you with praises, when people write to me > personally to do their readings I direct them to you > too. You have 4 planets in the 8th house, no doubt u > you would be a good astrologer. Your AK is Sun, > hence > I have for so long been quiet and allowed you to > continue your high handedness, but pls remember my > AK > is also the Sun, in the 11th house and very much > exalted, so I can also put u to place although I > agree > that my AK replacement would be complete soon. > > Do you realise, that in Sept 2002, when I started > astrology learning I had written to the list, I had > answered that lord of Sc is Mars, someone had rudely > replied back that it was Ketu, I was scared for > months > and stopped astrology and then later on collected > myself and started reading the list and posting > queries slowly, but everytime I wrote on the list, I > would be scared that someone would be rude, someone > will scold me for my limited knowledge. It has taken > me nearly 2 yrs to let go of this fear which would > persist throughout the day, every single day full of > agony when I would participate on the list, while > driving I would worry would someone be offended, > would > someone scold me for a stupid query. > > Meetings with SR, Ramadas Rao, hand holding of > Chandrashekhar, Visti, Swee, my other global friends > n > many others have helped me to finally break off that > fear majorly which was such an integral part of my > agony which i suffered due to the constant strict > attitude that was displayed by some members of this > list, but I never complained. Even when my western > friends spoke about this aspect of the list, I only > defended the list and said that sometimes we indians > can appear on email to be rude but we are not > otherwise rude. > > Ever wondered why the GJ list has so many westerners > than our list, wherein the same subject is > discussed. > I have loved this list like anything and it always > hurt me that why can't we display more compassion, > more love to other fellow members, why someone has > to > show that he is the one who has started the thread, > why can't we show more welcoming arms to the west > and > east and spread this science with patience and > compassion. > > 1800 people are there on this list, only 20 write > why, > are they non-knowledgeable and if we say that 200 > are > students, then why aren't the 200 writing on the > list,are they too scared to ask on the list, WHY? > > U seem to have once again displayed this attitude, > did > I commit a Great Sin, something that to your non > liking has come to ur mail box, did your lap top > crash > due to my mail?? Did I send a sex based email, that > it > is so much to ur non liking. > > If Sanjay Rath or PVR would have sent so many test > mails, would you have written to them and said that > u > do not like NON Content mails coming to ur mail box. > > If people call Astrology a spiritual science, I > always > ask why do we all in astrology have Ego, how can > Spirituality and Ego go together. I was about to > give > up on astrology due to this, since I felt that the > pride of a true prediction or the pride of knowledge > can increase my ego, i was in that crisis from 2 yrs > until I was patted on the back by SR and Visti at > the > Nagpur conference and inspired to continue with my > studies. > > I wished I had listened to Ramadas Rao, when I was > at > his native place, where he said I should go back to > my > spirituality doing inner learning, he had answered > this when I had told him about my agony when I see > astrologers with Ego and their high handedness. > Alas, > I didn't listen to him and from the last 1 month > have > been so active on the list, that I have even > forgotten > to post my CV, since I am unemployed esp when I > desperately need money. > > I can go on and on and bring in real facts in this > letter where more truer picture would be revealed > but > I shall leave it here, since u do good with ur > astrology by helping people on the list. > > Thanks for ur email, consequently I am off the list, > maybe I shall complete the threads that i initiated > and then be off for good. The Moderator can throw me > out before that if he wishes, since I might have > outspoken myself maybe. > > Sunil John > > > > >[vedic astrology] Re: test pls ignore > > > > > >Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > >Dear Sunil, > > > > > >Why many test message only from you. It may be a > good idea to > > >use only one mail id for the list. Write to me > privately, may > > >be I can help resolving your issue and why you have > to send > > >test message frequently. May be not. > > > > > >Regards > > >Raghunadha Rao > > >P.S: Administrator please execume me writing this, > as > I do not > > >like this non content based mail coming to my mail > box. > > > > > > > > Tax Center - File online by April 15th > http://taxes./filing.html Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes./filing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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