Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Tahoma;color:black">Jaya color:black"> Jagannatha color:black"> 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">Dear color:black">Sunil, 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">September looks good in the offing. What say thou? 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> love, Swee 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">www.brihaspati.net 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> Sunil John [suniljohn_2004 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] 13 April 2004 16:20 To: vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Rao Nemani - stop bullying Rao Nemani, Stop policing. If u read the subject of the mail that I sent, it stated clearly "pls ignore". If your intention was really to help me through my technology crisis during Mer R, then you would have written to me privately as you have done in other instances in the past when it has suited you. We normally exchange emails regularly, and in the past few days we have been very regular, so how come u decided to write on the list that kind of mail or was ur intention to show off your authority. There are many non-content based emails, people replying back saying "thank you" , for some they are very much non (astrological) content based, how come you don't tell them to stop sending or best make them stop. What you wrote might be something insignificant to many, but let me assure everyone that there is a history behind it and I have been observing it very closely since the last one year. A year back you had a problem that I was using color in my emails and at that moment you wrote to me privately asking me to stop using color, I had to go to a psychiatrist since I never found anyone in life who does not like color, so I thought there might be something wrong with me, the psychiatrist told me a different story altogether which I shall not repeat here. Now I see you using color in ur own emails.??? I can understand some people might not like all the colors that I use, but I feel I chose colors depending on the mood, I try to tune in to my inner self. The person who pointed out the so called error in your recitation of the remedies in Sadesathi, didn't have any wrong intention, it was my mistake that I forwarded his complete email to you since I was in a hurry. Let me assure you that his intention was only to help in forwarding the correct mantras to people facing sadesathi crisis. I agree I have been facing on and off problems on technology front the last 15 days or so and I apologise to the list for the many test mails that I send, I think Saaji also wrote to me saying that he is also facing problems in the same respect, but I presume I have been notoriously afflicted. The point that I am trying to make here is that you always display high handedness, you are no doubt a great astrology student, I have publicly and privately flowered you with praises, when people write to me personally to do their readings I direct them to you too. You have 4 planets in the 8th house, no doubt u you would be a good astrologer. Your AK is Sun, hence I have for so long been quiet and allowed you to continue your high handedness, but pls remember my AK is also the Sun, in the 11th house and very much exalted, so I can also put u to place although I agree that my AK replacement would be complete soon. Do you realise, that in Sept 2002, when I started astrology learning I had written to the list, I had answered that lord of Sc is Mars, someone had rudely replied back that it was Ketu, I was scared for months and stopped astrology and then later on collected myself and started reading the list and posting queries slowly, but everytime I wrote on the list, I would be scared that someone would be rude, someone will scold me for my limited knowledge. It has taken me nearly 2 yrs to let go of this fear which would persist throughout the day, every single day full of agony when I would participate on the list, while driving I would worry would someone be offended, would someone scold me for a stupid query. Meetings with SR, Ramadas Rao, hand holding of Chandrashekhar, Visti, Swee, my other global friends n many others have helped me to finally break off that fear majorly which was such an integral part of my agony which i suffered due to the constant strict attitude that was displayed by some members of this list, but I never complained. Even when my western friends spoke about this aspect of the list, I only defended the list and said that sometimes we indians can appear on email to be rude but we are not otherwise rude. Ever wondered why the GJ list has so many westerners than our list, wherein the same subject is discussed. I have loved this list like anything and it always hurt me that why can't we display more compassion, more love to other fellow members, why someone has to show that he is the one who has started the thread, why can't we show more welcoming arms to the west and east and spread this science with patience and compassion. 1800 people are there on this list, only 20 write why, are they non-knowledgeable and if we say that 200 are students, then why aren't the 200 writing on the list,are they too scared to ask on the list, WHY? U seem to have once again displayed this attitude, did I commit a Great Sin, something that to your non liking has come to ur mail box, did your lap top crash due to my mail?? Did I send a sex based email, that it is so much to ur non liking. If Sanjay Rath or PVR would have sent so many test mails, would you have written to them and said that u do not like NON Content mails coming to ur mail box. If people call Astrology a spiritual science, I always ask why do we all in astrology have Ego, how can Spirituality and Ego go together. I was about to give up on astrology due to this, since I felt that the pride of a true prediction or the pride of knowledge can increase my ego, i was in that crisis from 2 yrs until I was patted on the back by SR and Visti at the Nagpur conference and inspired to continue with my studies. I wished I had listened to Ramadas Rao, when I was at his native place, where he said I should go back to my spirituality doing inner learning, he had answered this when I had told him about my agony when I see astrologers with Ego and their high handedness. Alas, I didn't listen to him and from the last 1 month have been so active on the list, that I have even forgotten to post my CV, since I am unemployed esp when I desperately need money. I can go on and on and bring in real facts in this letter where more truer picture would be revealed but I shall leave it here, since u do good with ur astrology by helping people on the list. Thanks for ur email, consequently I am off the list, maybe I shall complete the threads that i initiated and then be off for good. The Moderator can throw me out before that if he wishes, since I might have outspoken myself maybe. Sunil John margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> - Rao Nemani vedic astrology Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:32 AM Subject: [vedic astrology] Re: test pls ignore Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sunil, Why many test message only from you. It may be a good idea to use only one mail id for the list. Write to me privately, may be I can help resolving your issue and why you have to send test message frequently. May be not. Regards Raghunadha Rao P.S: Administrator please execume me writing this, as I do not like this non content based mail coming to my mail box. vedic astrology, "Sunil John" <suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote: > Test pls ignore > > tks > With Blessings of the Divine Mother > > Sunil John To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Dear Swee, Sept for what??? confused here Love, SJ >Jaya Jagannatha > >Dear Sunil, > >September looks good in the offing. What say thou? > > >love, > >Swee >swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net >www.brihaspati.net > > >Sunil John [suniljohn_2004 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] >13 April 2004 16:20 >To: vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Rao Nemani - stop bullying > >Rao Nemani, >Stop policing. If u read the subject of the mail that I sent, it stated >clearly "pls ignore". If your intention was really to help me through my >technology crisis during Mer R, then you would have written to me >privately as you have done in other instances in the past when it has >suited you. We normally exchange emails regularly, and in the past few >days we have been very regular, so how come u decided to write on the >list that kind of mail or was ur intention to show off your authority. >There are many non-content based emails, people replying back saying >"thank you" , for some they are very much non (astrological) content >based, how come you don't tell them to stop sending or best make them >stop. > >What you wrote might be something insignificant to many, but let me >assure everyone that there is a history behind it and I have been >observing it very closely since the last one year. > >A year back you had a problem that I was using color in my emails and at >that moment you wrote to me privately asking me to stop using color, I >had to go to a psychiatrist since I never found anyone in life who does >not like color, so I thought there might be something wrong with me, the >psychiatrist told me a different story altogether which I shall not >repeat here. Now I see you using color in ur own emails.??? >I can understand some people might not like all the colors that I use, >but I feel I chose colors depending on the mood, I try to tune in to my >inner self. > >The person who pointed out the so called error in your recitation of the >remedies in Sadesathi, didn't have any wrong intention, it was my >mistake that I forwarded his complete email to you since I was in a >hurry. Let me assure you that his intention was only to help in >forwarding the correct mantras to people facing sadesathi crisis. > >I agree I have been facing on and off problems on technology front the >last 15 days or so and I apologise to the list for the many test mails >that I send, I think Saaji also wrote to me saying that he is also >facing problems in the same respect, but I presume I have been >notoriously afflicted. > >The point that I am trying to make here is that you always display high >handedness, you are no doubt a great astrology student, I have publicly >and privately flowered you with praises, when people write to me >personally to do their readings I direct them to you too. You have 4 >planets in the 8th house, no doubt u you would be a good astrologer. >Your AK is Sun, hence I have for so long been quiet and allowed you to >continue your high handedness, but pls remember my AK is also the Sun, >in the 11th house and very much exalted, so I can also put u to place >although I agree that my AK replacement would be complete soon. > >Do you realise, that in Sept 2002, when I started astrology learning I >had written to the list, I had answered that lord of Sc is Mars, someone >had rudely replied back that it was Ketu, I was scared for months and >stopped astrology and then later on collected myself and started reading >the list and posting queries slowly, but everytime I wrote on the list, >I would be scared that someone would be rude, someone will scold me for >my limited knowledge. It has taken me nearly 2 yrs to let go of this >fear which would persist throughout the day, every single day full of >agony when I would participate on the list, while driving I would worry >would someone be offended, would someone scold me for a stupid query. > >Meetings with SR, Ramadas Rao, hand holding of Chandrashekhar, Visti, >Swee, my other global friends n many others have helped me to finally >break off that fear majorly which was such an integral part of my agony >which i suffered due to the constant strict attitude that was displayed >by some members of this list, but I never complained. Even when my >western friends spoke about this aspect of the list, I only defended the >list and said that sometimes we indians can appear on email to be rude >but we are not otherwise rude. > >Ever wondered why the GJ list has so many westerners than our list, >wherein the same subject is discussed. I have loved this list like >anything and it always hurt me that why can't we display more >compassion, more love to other fellow members, why someone has to show >that he is the one who has started the thread, why can't we show more >welcoming arms to the west and east and spread this science with >patience and compassion. > >1800 people are there on this list, only 20 write why, are they >non-knowledgeable and if we say that 200 are students, then why aren't >the 200 writing on the list,are they too scared to ask on the list, WHY? > >U seem to have once again displayed this attitude, did I commit a Great >Sin, something that to your non liking has come to ur mail box, did your >lap top crash due to my mail?? Did I send a sex based email, that it is >so much to ur non liking. > >If Sanjay Rath or PVR would have sent so many test mails, would you have >written to them and said that u do not like NON Content mails coming to >ur mail box. > >If people call Astrology a spiritual science, I always ask why do we all >in astrology have Ego, how can Spirituality and Ego go together. I was >about to give up on astrology due to this, since I felt that the pride >of a true prediction or the pride of knowledge can increase my ego, i >was in that crisis from 2 yrs until I was patted on the back by SR and >Visti at the Nagpur conference and inspired to continue with my studies. > >I wished I had listened to Ramadas Rao, when I was at his native place, >where he said I should go back to my spirituality doing inner learning, >he had answered this when I had told him about my agony when I see >astrologers with Ego and their high handedness. Alas, I didn't listen to >him and from the last 1 month have been so active on the list, that I >have even forgotten to post my CV, since I am unemployed esp when I >desperately need money. > >I can go on and on and bring in real facts in this letter where more >truer picture would be revealed but I shall leave it here, since u do >good with ur astrology by helping people on the list. > >Thanks for ur email, consequently I am off the list, maybe I shall >complete the threads that i initiated and then be off for good. The >Moderator can throw me out before that if he wishes, since I might have >outspoken myself maybe. > >Sunil John > > >- >Rao Nemani <raon1008 > >vedic astrology >Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:32 AM >[vedic astrology] Re: test pls ignore > >Hare Rama Krishna > >Dear Sunil, > >Why many test message only from you. It may be a good idea to >use only one mail id for the list. Write to me privately, may >be I can help resolving your issue and why you have to send >test message frequently. May be not. > >Regards >Raghunadha Rao >P.S: Administrator please execume me writing this, as I do not >like this non content based mail coming to my mail box. > >vedic astrology, "Sunil John" ><suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote: > > Test pls ignore > > > > tks > > With Blessings of the Divine Mother > > > > Sunil John > > > >Archives: vedic astrology > >Group info: vedic astrology/info.html > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > >|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > >Group info: vedic astrology/info.html > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > >|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > _____ > > Links >* To visit your group on the web, go to: >vedic astrology/ > >* >vedic astrology ><vedic astrology?subject=Un> > > >* Terms of Service ><> . Ready cash in just 72 hours. Apply Now !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Tahoma;color:black">Jaya color:black"> Jagannatha color:black"> 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">Dear color:black">Sunil, 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> and from the last 1 month have been so active on the list, that I >have even forgotten to post my CV, since I am unemployed esp when I desperately need money. 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">JOB timing. 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> love, Swee 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">www.brihaspati.net 11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> Sunil John [suniljohn_2004 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">13 April 2004 font-family:Tahoma">19:04 swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm; vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Rao Nemani - stop bullying Dear Swee, Sept for what??? confused here Love, margin-left:.5in">SJ >Jaya Jagannatha > >Dear Sunil, > >September looks good in the offing. What say thou? > > >love, > >Swee >swee (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net >www.brihaspati.net > > >Sunil John [suniljohn_2004 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] >13 April 2004 16:20 >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Rao Nemani - stop bullying > >Rao Nemani, >Stop policing. If u read the subject of the mail that I sent, it stated >clearly "pls ignore". If your intention was really to help me through my >technology crisis during Mer R, then you would have written to me >privately as you have done in other instances in the past when it has >suited you. We normally exchange emails regularly, and in the past few >days we have been very regular, so how come u decided to write on the >list that kind of mail or was ur intention to show off your authority. >There are many non-content based emails, people replying back saying >"thank you" , for some they are very much non (astrological) content >based, how come you don't tell them to stop sending or best make them >stop. > >What you wrote might be something insignificant to many, but let me >assure everyone that there is a history behind it and I have been >observing it very closely since the last one year. > >A year back you had a problem that I was using color in my emails and at >that moment you wrote to me privately asking me to stop using color, I >had to go to a psychiatrist since I never found anyone in life who does >not like color, so I thought there might be something wrong with me, the >psychiatrist told me a different story altogether which I shall not >repeat here. Now I see you using color in ur own emails.??? >I can understand some people might not like all the colors that I use, >but I feel I chose colors depending on the mood, I try to tune in to my >inner self. > >The person who pointed out the so called error in your recitation of the >remedies in Sadesathi, didn't have any wrong intention, it was my >mistake that I forwarded his complete email to you since I was in a >hurry. Let me assure you that his intention was only to help in >forwarding the correct mantras to people facing sadesathi crisis. > >I agree I have been facing on and off problems on technology front the >last 15 days or so and I apologise to the list for the many test mails >that I send, I think Saaji also wrote to me saying that he is also >facing problems in the same respect, but I presume I have been >notoriously afflicted. > >The point that I am trying to make here is that you always display high >handedness, you are no doubt a great astrology student, I have publicly >and privately flowered you with praises, when people write to me >personally to do their readings I direct them to you too. You have 4 >planets in the 8th house, no doubt u you would be a good astrologer. >Your AK is Sun, hence I have for so long been quiet and allowed you to >continue your high handedness, but pls remember my AK is also the Sun, >in the 11th house and very much exalted, so I can also put u to place >although I agree that my AK replacement would be complete soon. > >Do you realise, that in Sept 2002, when I started astrology learning I >had written to the list, I had answered that lord of Sc is Mars, someone >had rudely replied back that it was Ketu, I was scared for months and >stopped astrology and then later on collected myself and started reading >the list and posting queries slowly, but everytime I wrote on the list, >I would be scared that someone would be rude, someone will scold me for >my limited knowledge. It has taken me nearly 2 yrs to let go of this >fear which would persist throughout the day, every single day full of >agony when I would participate on the list, while driving I would worry >would someone be offended, would someone scold me for a stupid query. > >Meetings with SR, Ramadas Rao, hand holding of Chandrashekhar, Visti, >Swee, my other global friends n many others have helped me to finally >break off that fear majorly which was such an integral part of my agony >which i suffered due to the constant strict attitude that was displayed >by some members of this list, but I never complained. Even when my >western friends spoke about this aspect of the list, I only defended the >list and said that sometimes we indians can appear on email to be rude >but we are not otherwise rude. > >Ever wondered why the GJ list has so many westerners than our list, >wherein the same subject is discussed. I have loved this list like >anything and it always hurt me that why can't we display more >compassion, more love to other fellow members, why someone has to show >that he is the one who has started the thread, why can't we show more >welcoming arms to the west and east and spread this science with >patience and compassion. > >1800 people are there on this list, only 20 write why, are they >non-knowledgeable and if we say that 200 are students, then why aren't >the 200 writing on the list,are they too scared to ask on the list, WHY? > >U seem to have once again displayed this attitude, did I commit a Great >Sin, something that to your non liking has come to ur mail box, did your >lap top crash due to my mail?? Did I send a sex based email, that it is >so much to ur non liking. > >If Sanjay Rath or PVR would have sent so many test mails, would you have >written to them and said that u do not like NON Content mails coming to >ur mail box. > >If people call Astrology a spiritual science, I always ask why do we all >in astrology have Ego, how can Spirituality and Ego go together. I was >about to give up on astrology due to this, since I felt that the pride >of a true prediction or the pride of knowledge can increase my ego, i >was in that crisis from 2 yrs until I was patted on the back by SR and >Visti at the Nagpur conference and inspired to continue with my studies. > >I wished I had listened to Ramadas Rao, when I was at his native place, >where he said I should go back to my spirituality doing inner learning, >he had answered this when I had told him about my agony when I see >astrologers with Ego and their high handedness. Alas, I didn't listen to >him > >I can go on and on and bring in real facts in this letter where more >truer picture would be revealed but I shall leave it here, since u do >good with ur astrology by helping people on the list. > >Thanks for ur email, consequently I am off the list, maybe I shall >complete the threads that i initiated and then be off for good. The >Moderator can throw me out before that if he wishes, since I might have >outspoken myself maybe. > >Sunil John > > >- >Rao Nemani <raon1008 > >vedic astrology >Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:32 AM >[vedic astrology] Re: test pls ignore > >Hare Rama Krishna > >Dear Sunil, > >Why many test message only from you. It may be a good idea to >use only one mail id for the list. Write to me privately, may >be I can help resolving your issue and why you have to send >test message frequently. May be not. > >Regards >Raghunadha Rao >P.S: Administrator please execume me writing this, as I do not >like this non content based mail coming to my mail box. > >vedic astrology, "Sunil John" ><suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote: > > Test pls ignore > > > > tks > > With Blessings of the Divine Mother > > > > Sunil John > > > >Archives: vedic astrology > >Group info: vedic astrology/info.html > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > >|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > >Archives: vedic astrology > >Group info: vedic astrology/info.html > > > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > >|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > _____ > > Links >* To visit your group on the web, go to: >vedic astrology/ > >* To from this group, send an email to: >vedic astrology ><vedic astrology?subject=Un> > > >* Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service ><> . Ready cash in just 72 hours. 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Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 To Rao Nemani, Find my reply below Hare Rama Krishna Namaste Sunil Ji, SJ: Since when have I become the additional Ji, you never addressed me before with that Ji, why have u done so now, did I give a great astrology lesson that I be called Ji or was it to insult. As everyone knows I have so many times politely said on the list that I do not require that Ji for various purposes, one I am not a learned astrologer and most imp I don't quote unlike others (u know who) "In one year I need to get that Ji to my name", since the aim of astrology I feel is not to get that Ji. Also if ever I would reach that stage where I am learned and people call me Ji, I really wouldn't require it , for with learning hopefully I shall be wise knowing that the use of that Ji holds nothing for me. Thanks for the note and looks like I have offended you by giving my suggestion and for that I am sorry and also apologize. SJ: Just words what u have written, if you had meant it ur below letter wouldnt have been what u wrote. So easy to apologise and gain sympathy and respect among members, tough to mean it with heart and act on it. You know, I have recognized after reading your lengthy message, that why I have suggested not send those "Test Messages" to the list, instead I should have put a filter to block mails from folks like you, with a few key words "Test or test ", which I have done today. I should have done that earlier. See, We / I have the technology in our hands but not used in time. You know, that is a lesson for me. Well, you have written, many things about our VA List vs. GJ, GK, GM lists etc., and Astrologers ego and pride, AK Sun etc., I do not want to comment on that as I do not read those list messages and participate in other than SJC lists as of today, so I do not know what you are talking about. My focus and mission is very simple and clear, which is learn Jyotish and assist people, nothing less and more. SJ: Is it , is that the focus, trust me many on the list also know it is not. The GJ, GK, GM sounds like one of my scripts from the serials that I produce, whenever we want to avoid something we use such phrases in our comedy scripts. U couldnt reply straight hence you adopted that and you have nicely avoided replying properly. Did u miss on the 1800/20 proportion, the HURT that is caused by the rudeness and high handness, those were the prime points but u missed it in your very polite letter. For your information, the Sade Sati Mantra's pronunciation was approved my Guru Ji, prior to sending to you. So I really do not worry other people’s opinion on my writing or pronunciation of the Mantras, as my Guru Ji had given the approval and blessings to me. That is all I care about. SJ: U need not tell me it was approved since yesterday only me, u and ur guru had exchanged emails on that and there was no ambiguity in that since when RR authenticates it, it is authenticated. How could I have a problem in your pronounciation when I don't know ABCD of sanskrit, when I am myself taking ur help in pronouncing it for me, as you very well know it was someone else and that someone else didn't have a problem, just wanted clarification like any other student in this list. and u very well know it was clarification that he asked, that was his tone, the point is that u are trying to say that u do not worry about other people's opinion on ur writing etc, well if that was the attitude then here on this list no discussion or debate would have ever happened on any subject, least to say mantras??????? If you decide to write to me personally in the future, you will still need to follow the font colors which I like it ( either black or blue only). SJ: Smart, I must admit very smart, well you turned it nicely, it wasn't my personal mail upon which you had suggested that I do not use colors, it was my mails on the list, upon which I remember my reply very clearly I had asked u if u have problems with colors pls change the options to plain text. And then I find you urself using color on the list. And to answer ur statement befittinly on writing to u on the font colors that u like, well you are no GOD for whom I shall bow down in a particular manner and only then my prayers shall be answered. Infact the wise say that GOD requires no bowing down (literally) since on planet Earth there is only one rule and that there is no rule. Sunil Ji, who are we to decide to learn Jyotish or Stop learning Jyotish or even to be part of this lists and not part of the VA-list. I believe all these things are pre-defined so I really do not worry too much, for me being out of the list or you or any one else. You should know these things better than me as you are my Sr. Student in every respect in Jyotish learning, is it not? SJ: By being polite things never change that much in life, what harm is done is done, it is very easy to be polite and extra polite on the list and be different off the list. I really beleive you that you shall never ever worry if me or someone else was off the list, since I know you too well. I have been extra sweet on the list but this time I shall not be, as to me being ur senior, hmmm I wonder if i am and everyone knows the truth who is senior so pls do not try to bow down to rise up smartly. Everyone knows of ur nature off the list and on the list. So far I have tolerated you since you are RRs sishya, today I lost my cool. I have been very polite with my heart for all this period of 2 yrs, but now I won't go on with it esp with you. You wrote about pre-defined events, if i am not wrong Giants like PVR and SR might not agree to everything being pre-determined. I have heard SR say that 25% is the amount of free will. So was ur writing that letter and several others showing ur high handed ness an act of Free will and is mine writing this letter an act of free will ??? PDs, ADs can be bad but exact min when the mind snaps and can that mind be controlled at that moment - thats where free will can come. If everything was pre-defined Osama and Saddam should be given noble prices, how can we blame them for their acts when it was already pre-defined by the Universe. Why do humans blame each other when everything is pre-defined, forget humans they do not know astrology, I have seen astrologers also blame each other or non astrologers, then all the fights or debates on this list were pre-defined and no one blamed anyone??? Remember the debate over Shiva and Vishnu?? did anyone blame anyone? Getting tangential since this is my last post, I do not beleive in 25% or 33% being free will, I beleive and somewhat successfully researched that it varies from person to person. When good fortune or bad can vary from chart to chart can't Free Will, recently I got a technique which calculates the exact percentage of free will in every chart, I beleive that technique is right but there is some mathematical problem in it, although the percentages proportion matches with what most spiritualists say, but I have found another technique from a friend who has visited Yogis who were brilliant astrologers and got this from him, I beleive that technique in finding out the percentage of free will in diff charts can be more dependable. I have always shared all information in the list but that I haven't since I was on oath. Anyways, I would like to stop here and prefer not to discuss about this any more in this list or privately. SJ: The reason you do not wish to discuss is very clear and everyone can guess it why. Sunil John Und now RegardsRaghunadha Rao ---- original message -- Message 39886 "Sunil John" <suniljohn_2004@h...> Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:20 am Rao Nemani - stop bullying Rao Nemani, Stop policing. If u read the subject of the mail that I sent, it stated clearly "pls ignore". If your intention was really to help me through my technology crisis during Mer R, then you would have written to me privately as you have done in other instances in the past when it has suited you. We normally exchange emails regularly, and in the past few days we have been very regular, so how come u decided to write on the list that kind of mail or was ur intention to show off your authority.There are many non-content based emails, people replying back saying "thank you" , for some they are very much non (astrological) content based, how come you don't tell them to stop sending or best make them stop. What you wrote might be something insignificant to many, but let me assure everyone that there is a history behind it and I have been observing it very closely since the last one year. A year back you had a problem that I was using color in my emails and at that moment you wrote to me privately asking me to stop using color, I had to go to a psychiatrist since I never found anyone in life who does not like color, so I thought there might be something wrong with me, the psychiatrist told me a different story altogether which I shall not repeat here. Now I see you using color in ur own emails.???I can understand some people might not like all the colors that I use, but I feel I chose colors depending on the mood, I try to tune in to my inner self. The person who pointed out the so called error in your recitation of the remedies in Sadesathi, didn't have any wrong intention, it was my mistake that I forwarded his complete email to you since I was in a hurry. Let me assure you that his intention was only to help in forwarding the correct mantras to people facing sadesathi crisis. I agree I have been facing on and off problems on technology front the last 15 days or so and I apologise to the list for the many test mails that I send, I think Saaji also wrote to me saying that he is also facing problems in the same respect, but I presume I have been notoriously afflicted. The point that I am trying to make here is that you always display high handedness, you are no doubt a great astrology student, I have publicly and privately flowered you with praises, when people write to me personally to do their readings I direct them to you too. You have 4 planets in the 8th house, no doubt u you would be a good astrologer. Your AK is Sun, hence I have for so long been quiet and allowed you to continue your high handedness, but pls remember my AK is also the Sun, in the 11th house and very much exalted, so I can also put u to place although I agree that my AK replacement would be complete soon. Do you realise, that in Sept 2002, when I started astrology learning I had written to the list, I had answered that lord of Sc is Mars, someone had rudely replied back that it was Ketu, I was scared for months and stopped astrology and then later on collected myself and started reading the list and posting queries slowly, but everytime I wrote on the list, I would be scared that someone would be rude, someone will scold me for my limited knowledge. It has taken me nearly 2 yrs to let go of this fear which would persist throughout the day, every single day full of agony when I would participate on the list, while driving I would worry would someone be offended, would someone scold me for a stupid query. Meetings with SR, Ramadas Rao, hand holding of Chandrashekhar, Visti, Swee, my other global friends n many others have helped me to finally break off that fear majorly which was such an integral part of my agony which i suffered due to the constant strict attitude that was displayed by some members of this list, but I never complained. Even when my western friends spoke about this aspect of the list, I only defended the list and said that sometimes we indians can appear on email to be rude but we are not otherwise rude. Ever wondered why the GJ list has so many westerners than our list, wherein the same subject is discussed. I have loved this list like anything and it always hurt me that why can't we display more compassion, more love to other fellow members, why someone has to show that he is the one who has started the thread, why can't we show more welcoming arms to the west and east and spread this science with patience and compassion. 1800 people are there on this list, only 20 write why, are they non-knowledgeable and if we say that 200 are students, then why aren't the 200 writing on the list,are they too scared to ask on the list, WHY? U seem to have once again displayed this attitude, did I commit a Great Sin, something that to your non liking has come to ur mail box, did your lap top crash due to my mail?? Did I send a sex based email, that it is so much to ur non liking. If Sanjay Rath or PVR would have sent so many test mails, would you have written to them and said that u do not like NON Content mails coming to ur mail box. If people call Astrology a spiritual science, I always ask why do we all in astrology have Ego, how can Spirituality and Ego go together. I was about to give up on astrology due to this, since I felt that the pride of a true prediction or the pride of knowledge can increase my ego, i was in that crisis from 2 yrs until I was patted on the back by SR and Visti at the Nagpur conference and inspired to continue with my studies. I wished I had listened to Ramadas Rao, when I was at his native place, where he said I should go back to my spirituality doing inner learning, he had answered this when I had told him about my agony when I see astrologers with Ego and their high handedness. Alas, I didn't listen to him and from the last 1 month have been so active on the list, that I have even forgotten to post my CV, since I am unemployed esp when I desperately need money. I can go on and on and bring in real facts in this letter where more truer picture would be revealed but I shall leave it here, since u do good with ur astrology by helping people on the list. Thanks for ur email, consequently I am off the list, maybe I shall complete the threads that i initiated and then be off for good. The Moderator can throw me out before that if he wishes, since I might have outspoken myself maybe. Sunil John >[vedic astrology] Re: test pls ignore > >Hare Rama Krishna > >Dear Sunil, > >Why many test message only from you. It may be a good idea to >use only one mail id for the list. Write to me privately, may >be I can help resolving your issue and why you have to send >test message frequently. May be not. > >Regards >Raghunadha Rao >P.S: Administrator please execume me writing this, as I do not >like this non content based mail coming to my mail box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 14042004 Dear Sunil Namaste I dont know I should interfere in this or not but there are some points to which I would like have your opinion on. Who is going to ask mind triggering question on the list? Who has that much of rapport with giants like SR,CS,RR,PVR who are always eagar to solve your quries there by every one gets much needed information. Who has that eloquence and good natured tolerance to sustain and debate with Gurus and fetch out the 'gems' of astrology from the gurus. Who has that courage to get into the depth of Jyotish Shastras and come up with tricky questions. Many on the list will agree that you have that knack. See I am not trying to be arbitrator or counsellor. Nor am I interested in any other thing. I just wanted say that in your fight, list members should not suffer. I know that you are upset now and possibly may not appreciate my entry into this but just think why do we come to the list? Is it to share knowledge and enhance it or to leave the list upon some trivial matter with some one? Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande vedic astrology, "Sunil John" <suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote: > To Rao Nemani, > Find my reply below > Hare Rama Krishna > > Namaste Sunil Ji, > > SJ: Since when have I become the additional Ji, you never addressed me before with that Ji, why have u done so now, did I give a great astrology lesson that I be called Ji or was it to insult. As everyone knows I have so many times politely said on the list that I do not require that Ji for various purposes, one I am not a learned astrologer and most imp I don't quote unlike others (u know who) "In one year I need to get that Ji to my name", since the aim of astrology I feel is not to get that Ji. Also if ever I would reach that stage where I am learned and people call me Ji, I really wouldn't require it , for with learning hopefully I shall be wise knowing that the use of that Ji holds nothing for me. > > Thanks for the note and looks like I have offended you by giving my suggestion and for that I am sorry and also apologize. > > SJ: Just words what u have written, if you had meant it ur below letter wouldnt have been what u wrote. So easy to apologise and gain sympathy and respect among members, tough to mean it with heart and act on it. > > You know, I have recognized after reading your lengthy message, that why I have suggested not send those "Test Messages" to the list, instead I should have put a filter to block mails from folks like you, with a few key words "Test or test ", which I have done today. I should have done that earlier. See, We / I have the technology in our hands but not used in time. You know, that is a lesson for me. > > Well, you have written, many things about our VA List .vs. GJ, GK, GM lists etc., and Astrologers ego and pride, AK Sun etc., I do not want to comment on that as I do not read those list messages and participate in other than SJC lists as of today, so I do not know what you are talking about. My focus and mission is very simple and clear, which is learn Jyotish and assist people, nothing less and more. > > SJ: Is it , is that the focus, trust me many on the list also know it is not. The GJ, GK, GM sounds like one of my scripts from the serials that I produce, whenever we want to avoid something we use such phrases in our comedy scripts. U couldnt reply straight hence you adopted that and you have nicely avoided replying properly. Did u miss on the 1800/20 proportion, the HURT that is caused by the rudeness and high handness, those were the prime points but u missed it in your very polite letter. > > For your information, the Sade Sati Mantra's pronunciation was approved my Guru Ji, prior to sending to you. So I really do not worry other people's opinion on my writing or pronunciation of the Mantras, as my Guru Ji had given the approval and blessings to me. That is all I care about. > > SJ: U need not tell me it was approved since yesterday only me, u and ur guru had exchanged emails on that and there was no ambiguity in that since when RR authenticates it, it is authenticated. How could I have a problem in your pronounciation when I don't know ABCD of sanskrit, when I am myself taking ur help in pronouncing it for me, as you very well know it was someone else and that someone else didn't have a problem, just wanted clarification like any other student in this list. and u very well know it was clarification that he asked, that was his tone, the point is that u are trying to say that u do not worry about other people's opinion on ur writing etc, well if that was the attitude then here on this list no discussion or debate would have ever happened on any subject, least to say mantras??????? > > If you decide to write to me personally in the future, you will still need to follow the font colors which I like it ( either black or blue only). > > SJ: Smart, I must admit very smart, well you turned it nicely, it wasn't my personal mail upon which you had suggested that I do not use colors, it was my mails on the list, upon which I remember my reply very clearly I had asked u if u have problems with colors pls change the options to plain text. And then I find you urself using color on the list. And to answer ur statement befittinly on writing to u on the font colors that u like, well you are no GOD for whom I shall bow down in a particular manner and only then my prayers shall be answered. Infact the wise say that GOD requires no bowing down (literally) since on planet Earth there is only one rule and that there is no rule. > > Sunil Ji, who are we to decide to learn Jyotish or Stop learning Jyotish or even to be part of this lists and not part of the VA- list. I believe all these things are pre-defined so I really do not worry too much, for me being out of the list or you or any one else. You should know these things better than me as you are my Sr. Student in every respect in Jyotish learning, is it not? > > SJ: By being polite things never change that much in life, what harm is done is done, it is very easy to be polite and extra polite on the list and be different off the list. I really beleive you that you shall never ever worry if me or someone else was off the list, since I know you too well. I have been extra sweet on the list but this time I shall not be, as to me being ur senior, hmmm I wonder if i am and everyone knows the truth who is senior so pls do not try to bow down to rise up smartly. Everyone knows of ur nature off the list and on the list. So far I have tolerated you since you are RRs sishya, today I lost my cool. I have been very polite with my heart for all this period of 2 yrs, but now I won't go on with it esp with you. > > You wrote about pre-defined events, if i am not wrong Giants like PVR and SR might not agree to everything being pre-determined. I have heard SR say that 25% is the amount of free will. So was ur writing that letter and several others showing ur high handed ness an act of Free will and is mine writing this letter an act of free will ??? PDs, ADs can be bad but exact min when the mind snaps and can that mind be controlled at that moment - thats where free will can come. If everything was pre-defined Osama and Saddam should be given noble prices, how can we blame them for their acts when it was already pre- defined by the Universe. Why do humans blame each other when everything is pre-defined, forget humans they do not know astrology, I have seen astrologers also blame each other or non astrologers, then all the fights or debates on this list were pre-defined and no one blamed anyone??? Remember the debate over Shiva and Vishnu?? did anyone blame anyone? > > > Getting tangential since this is my last post, I do not beleive in 25% or 33% being free will, I beleive and somewhat successfully researched that it varies from person to person. When good fortune or bad can vary from chart to chart can't Free Will, recently I got a technique which calculates the exact percentage of free will in every chart, I beleive that technique is right but there is some mathematical problem in it, although the percentages proportion matches with what most spiritualists say, but I have found another technique from a friend who has visited Yogis who were brilliant astrologers and got this from him, I beleive that technique in finding out the percentage of free will in diff charts can be more dependable. I have always shared all information in the list but that I haven't since I was on oath. > > > Anyways, I would like to stop here and prefer not to discuss about this any more in this list or privately. > SJ: The reason you do not wish to discuss is very clear and everyone can guess it why. > > Sunil John > Und now > > Regards > Raghunadha Rao > > ---- original message -- > Message 39886 > > "Sunil John" <suniljohn_2004@h...> > Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:20 am > Rao Nemani - stop bullying > > Rao Nemani, > Stop policing. If u read the subject of the mail that I sent, it stated clearly "pls ignore". If your intention was really to help me through my technology crisis during Mer R, then you would have written to me privately as you have done in other instances in the past when it has suited you. We normally exchange emails regularly, and in the past few days we have been very regular, so how come u decided to write on the list that kind of mail or was ur intention to show off your authority. > There are many non-content based emails, people replying back saying "thank you" , for some they are very much non (astrological) content based, how come you don't tell them to stop sending or best make them stop. > > What you wrote might be something insignificant to many, but let me assure everyone that there is a history behind it and I have been observing it very closely since the last one year. > > A year back you had a problem that I was using color in my emails and at that moment you wrote to me privately asking me to stop using color, I had to go to a psychiatrist since I never found anyone in life who does not like color, so I thought there might be something wrong with me, the psychiatrist told me a different story altogether which I shall not repeat here. Now I see you using color in ur own emails.??? > I can understand some people might not like all the colors that I use, but I feel I chose colors depending on the mood, I try to tune in to my inner self. > > The person who pointed out the so called error in your recitation of the remedies in Sadesathi, didn't have any wrong intention, it was my mistake that I forwarded his complete email to you since I was in a hurry. Let me assure you that his intention was only to help in forwarding the correct mantras to people facing sadesathi crisis. > > I agree I have been facing on and off problems on technology front the last 15 days or so and I apologise to the list for the many test mails that I send, I think Saaji also wrote to me saying that he is also facing problems in the same respect, but I presume I have been notoriously afflicted. > > The point that I am trying to make here is that you always display high handedness, you are no doubt a great astrology student, I have publicly and privately flowered you with praises, when people write to me personally to do their readings I direct them to you too. You have 4 planets in the 8th house, no doubt u you would be a good astrologer. Your AK is Sun, hence I have for so long been quiet and allowed you to continue your high handedness, but pls remember my AK is also the Sun, in the 11th house and very much exalted, so I can also put u to place although I agree that my AK replacement would be complete soon. > > Do you realise, that in Sept 2002, when I started astrology learning I had written to the list, I had answered that lord of Sc is Mars, someone had rudely replied back that it was Ketu, I was scared for months and stopped astrology and then later on collected myself and started reading the list and posting queries slowly, but everytime I wrote on the list, I would be scared that someone would be rude, someone will scold me for my limited knowledge. It has taken me nearly 2 yrs to let go of this fear which would persist throughout the day, every single day full of agony when I would participate on the list, while driving I would worry would someone be offended, would someone scold me for a stupid query. > > Meetings with SR, Ramadas Rao, hand holding of Chandrashekhar, Visti, Swee, my other global friends n many others have helped me to finally break off that fear majorly which was such an integral part of my agony which i suffered due to the constant strict attitude that was displayed by some members of this list, but I never complained. Even when my western friends spoke about this aspect of the list, I only defended the list and said that sometimes we indians can appear on email to be rude but we are not otherwise rude. > > Ever wondered why the GJ list has so many westerners than our list, wherein the same subject is discussed. I have loved this list like anything and it always hurt me that why can't we display more compassion, more love to other fellow members, why someone has to show that he is the one who has started the thread, why can't we show more welcoming arms to the west and east and spread this science with patience and compassion. > > 1800 people are there on this list, only 20 write why, are they non- knowledgeable and if we say that 200 are students, then why aren't the 200 writing on the list,are they too scared to ask on the list, WHY? > > U seem to have once again displayed this attitude, did I commit a Great Sin, something that to your non liking has come to ur mail box, did your lap top crash due to my mail?? Did I send a sex based email, that it is so much to ur non liking. > > If Sanjay Rath or PVR would have sent so many test mails, would you have written to them and said that u do not like NON Content mails coming to ur mail box. > > If people call Astrology a spiritual science, I always ask why do we all in astrology have Ego, how can Spirituality and Ego go together. I was about to give up on astrology due to this, since I felt that the pride of a true prediction or the pride of knowledge can increase my ego, i was in that crisis from 2 yrs until I was patted on the back by SR and Visti at the Nagpur conference and inspired to continue with my studies. > > I wished I had listened to Ramadas Rao, when I was at his native place, where he said I should go back to my spirituality doing inner learning, he had answered this when I had told him about my agony when I see astrologers with Ego and their high handedness. Alas, I didn't listen to him and from the last 1 month have been so active on the list, that I have even forgotten to post my CV, since I am unemployed esp when I desperately need money. > > I can go on and on and bring in real facts in this letter where more truer picture would be revealed but I shall leave it here, since u do good with ur astrology by helping people on the list. > > Thanks for ur email, consequently I am off the list, maybe I shall complete the threads that i initiated and then be off for good. The Moderator can throw me out before that if he wishes, since I might have outspoken myself maybe. > > Sunil John > > > > >[vedic astrology] Re: test pls ignore > > > > > >Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > >Dear Sunil, > > > > > >Why many test message only from you. It may be a good idea to > > >use only one mail id for the list. Write to me privately, may > > >be I can help resolving your issue and why you have to send > > >test message frequently. May be not. > > > > > >Regards > > >Raghunadha Rao > > >P.S: Administrator please execume me writing this, as I do not > > >like this non content based mail coming to my mail box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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