Saham's-Additional Notes

April 13, 2004

Dear Vijay Kumar

Well I am forwarding this message to the list since all types of discussions

and criticisms belong there. Also I have great respects for Shri B.V. Raman and

I mean no offense or disrespect to anyone. I was just mentioning some personal

experiences with Tajika system and its not necessary that my bad experiences

are the final word on it. However from a personal perspective, the tajika

system was a complete failure and infact, relying on such a system can cause

tremendous financial implications and destroy the native’s life completely who

depends on such a system. All great theoretical research is always respected,

but then every astrologer says that the native should not depend upon his/her

analysis and take own decisions. So when there is an element of doubt in all

astrological systems, then how can you say that Tajika is an established branch

of astrology. You yourself say that we are in a stage of infancy, so that means

no system is perfect or established and hence none is dependable in real life

under all circumstances.

Perhaps you are not aware that there are 4 to 5 million people searching jobs in

USA thesedays and hence concrete predictions are required and not the glamourous

stuff predicted by tajika(it’s a 20 page useless handout created by such

prediction sources) or any other system,which is in infancy. If there is a

concrete system, which has emerged so far, that is the General Vimshottari Dasa

system by Sage Parashara, which is valid for all countries, all types of people

and all

times(Desh, kaal and patra…still learning that). Also I am not against any

system or any research.

With All Due Regards

RMKvijay kumar <v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in> wrote:

Dear Rajesh,The Tajika System of astrology is an establised branch of astrology

eventhough it has not been mentioned by Sage Parashara. The Sahams and

theTajika yogas are important part of this subject. Dr. Raman had done

goodstudies on this subject which was further expanded and improved by

manyauthors.Please note that we all are yet at the infancy to completely

abondon asubject like Tajika or any other.Thanks,Vijay Kumar----- Original

Message -----"Rajesh M. Kumaria" Tuesday, April 13, 2004 12:20

AM[vedic astrology] Re: Saham's-Additional Notes> Dear Rao> Just saw

this email...not sure how deep you have gone into sahams yet> and (I am also

not an expert in sahams,) yet there appears to be

some> contradictions between your statements..on one hand you are not 100%> sure

about getting results using sahams and yet you feel that they> are working in

annual/prashna charts...well how can such a thing> happen!>>> As far as I

remember, few years ago Mr Narasimha Rao had analysed> original sahams with

Vimshottari dasha(based on moon) at birth, and> then he computed sahams for

annual charts(Tithi Pravesh Annual> charts, using Ashtottari dasha)..I think he

proved that whatever was> promised in sahams at birth, also happened in

favourable TP charts,> when the annual sahams(for various relevant years)

fructified, based> on favourbale combinations related to those sahams on TP

charts. If I> am right, than this was his approach. I think he had abandoned

the> Tajaka approach for annual charts and also abandoned all this> Ithasala

etc., approach somewhere along the line. I

think most people> were convinced at that time with his approach, although I

cannot> locate any emails(search the archieves).>>>> Also if you are still

using Tajaka charts, then the aspects and> dashas are computed differently. I

think you must be aware of all> these things.>> (On another interesting note,

for last two years, Star Teller made> great/good financial predictions for me

using the annual tajaka> charts and Muddha Vimshottari dasha, but i contiuned

to struggle in> Saturn/Mercury period and none of their predictions ever>

fructified ...however their predictions and calculations were correct> as per

tajaka charts theoretically, varshaphal, muntha, munthesh etc> etc., prehaps

they failed to reconcile the annual charts with> Vimshottari dasha at birth and

just wanted to make their client> happy..its like a placebo effect, with/without

the medicine

the> patient can be cured and all paries can claim success based on their>

logic/reasoning based on post mortem... )>> Regards and all the best in your

research.> RMK>>>>> vedic astrology, Rao Nemani >

wrote:> > Hare Rama Krishna,> >> > Namaste Ramesh Ji,> >> > Thanks for the note

and I thought of answering to your question and> also copy to VA list, as it may

be helpful to some other folks also.> >> > As you know I am still learning

Saham's. So as of today, I can say> that, I am not getting 100% results

exclusively using Saham's, but I> can say with confidence, one can use Saham's

as a complimentary to> other methods. My observations are: Sahams's are working

very well> in Prasna and Annual Charts.> >> > My understanding of Ithasala and

other

Prasna related definitions> are given below:-.> >> > 1) Ithasala:-> > An

Ithasala yoga is caused when a faster planet with less longitude> is behind a

slower planet with more longitude. this is a benefic> yoga.> >> > 2)

Muthaseela:-> > When the Ithasala occurs within half a degree, it becomes>

Muthaseela, a very favourable aspect.> >> > 3) Easarapha:-> > When a faster

planet with greater longitude is ahead of a slower> planet with less longitude,

an Easarapha yoga is formed. this is> unfavourable aspect.> >> > 4) Nakata

Yoga:-> > When there is no aspect between 2 planets but a planet faster than>

the two is in aspect to both, it causes an aspect between the two or> transfers

light from the faster planet to the slower planet, this is> a favorable aspect.>

>> > 5) Yamaya Yoga:->

> When there is no aspect between two planets and a slower planet is> in aspect

with each of them, it ( the slower planet) transfers light> form the faster of

the two planets to the other.> >> > 6) Kamboola Yoga:-> > When there is a

Ithasala between two planets and the Moon is also> in Ithasala with both of

them, a Kamboola Yoga is formed. This is a> favourable Yoga.> >> > When a

Kamboola Yoga is present due to the lords of the Lagna and> the 10th being in

Muthasila with a quadragualr Moon.> >> > As usual, May I request Guru's and

learned members to correct me if> I am wrong.> >> > Regards> > Raghunadha Rao>

>> > ----- original message ----> >> > Ramesh Gangaramani wrote:> >> > Dear

Rao,> > I am going through an old email of yours on Saham. I do

not> understand the word ithsala! Can you please explain? Have you made> further

use of sahams since you wrote last on it? What has been your> experience?> >

Regards> > Ramesh> >> >> >> > "Timing the Event:-> > =============> > The event

can genrally happen either during the period of the lord,> or a planet which has

ithasala with the lord of Saham."> >> >> >> > >

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April 13, 2004

First of all please reply on the list, so that everyone gets to know everything.

I am not going to acknowledge that Tajika system is great etc., if you keep

sending these private emails. I know you have great knowledge about astrology

and I am just a humble student when compared to you. So if you are really

interested in examples, then here's the chart(attached below)..Please let me

know how the years 2002 and 2003 were for this native, based on tajika system.

Also if you have time, then I will appreciate getting some comments about

year2004 also. I am not asking for any predictions or any free consultations,

but the system is not proven just by post mortems only..it must have a

predictive ability as well. That will satisy your intellectual curioisty and

mine too.

I know this will take time and so I will wait for your comments. There is no

hurry and you can take your own time. Also the proof of this burden(that tajika

system is established system etc .,) is on your shoulders and not on me..so I am

not required to give any examples. I have studied books by various authors on

this system and have given up on this, from the point of view of an ordinary

native.

However if you decide that you do not have time for all this, then this is end

of discussion from my side also and we can stick to our respective poistions,

without wasting further time.

Thanks and Regards

RMK

(ofcourse this is my chart and i have nothing to hide here.)

-- These

calculations were made using the free "Jagannatha Hora Lite" software, which

can be downloaded from the website of its author P.V.R. Narasimha Rao

(www.VedicAstrologer.org) or from the website of Sri Jagannath Centre

(www.SriJagannath.org).--

rajeshkumaria

Natal Chart

July 20, 1961Time: 9:50:00 pmTime Zone: 5:30:00

(East of GMT)Place: 80 E 55' 00", 26 N 51' 00" Lucknow,

IndiaAltitude: 0.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - AshadhaTithi: Sukla Ashtami (Ra) (77.88%

left)Weekday: Thursday (Ju)Nakshatra: Chitra (Ma) (42.26% left)Yoga:

Siddha (Ke)Karana: Vishti (Sa)Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign:

Sc)Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Cp)Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)

Sunrise: 5:27:07 amSunset: 6:57:35 pmJanma Ghatis: 40.9533

Ayanamsa: 23-19-03.15Sidereal Time: 17:36:29

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Lagna 28 Aq 29' 18.10" PBha 3 Aq GeSun - PK 4 Cn

22' 43.09" Push 1 Cn LeMoon - DK 1 Li 01' 57.54" Chit 3

Li LiMars - BK 19 Le 41' 06.95" PPha 2 Le ViMercury - MK

14 Ge 12' 19.84" Ardr 3 Ge AqJupiter ® - PiK 9 Cp 31' 51.03"

USha 4 Cp PiVenus - AmK 21 Ta 09' 04.35" Rohi

4 Ta CnSaturn ® - GK 3 Cp 07' 46.27" USha 2 Cp CpRahu - AK

5 Le 23' 53.29" Makh 2 Le TaKetu 5 Aq 23' 53.29"

Dhan 4 Aq ScMaandi 19 Ta 36' 57.53" Rohi 3 Ta

GeGulika 9 Ta 23' 08.09" Krit 4 Ta PiBhava Lagna 9

Pi 26' 49.40" UBha 2 Pi ViHora

Lagna 15 Sc 10' 01.02" Anu 4 Sc ScGhati Lagna 2 Sg 19'

35.87" Mool 1 Sg ArVighati Lagna 28 Aq 07' 30.11" PBha 3

Aq GeVarnada Lagna 13 Li 39' 19.12" Swat 3 Li AqSree Lagna

26 Vi 22' 11.62" Chit 1 Vi LeDhooma 17 Sc 42' 43.09" Jye

1 Sc SgVyatipata 12 Le 17' 16.91" Makh

4 Le CnParivesha 12 Aq 17' 16.91" Sata 2 Aq CpIndra Chapa

17 Ta 42' 43.09" Rohi 3 Ta GeUpaketu 4 Ge 22' 43.09"

Mrig 4 Ge ScKaala 25 Ge 54' 21.70" Puna 2 Ge

TaMrityu 9 Aq 59' 26.86" Sata 1 Aq SgArtha Prahara 7

Pi 02' 22.56" UBha 2 Pi ViYama

Ghantaka 4 Ar 02' 52.57" Aswi 2 Ar Ta

Rasi

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Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

Mar Mar 1957-07-05 Rah 1957-12-01 Jup 1958-12-20 Sat 1959-11-26 Mer

1961-01-03 Ket 1962-01-01 Ven 1962-05-30 Sun 1963-07-30 Moo 1963-12-05

Rah Rah 1964-07-05 Jup 1967-03-18 Sat 1969-08-10 Mer 1972-06-16 Ket

1975-01-04 Ven 1976-01-22 Sun 1979-01-22 Moo 1979-12-17 Mar 1981-06-17

Jup Jup 1982-07-05 Sat 1984-08-22 Mer 1987-03-06 Ket 1989-06-10 Ven

1990-05-17 Sun 1993-01-15 Moo 1993-11-04 Mar 1995-03-06 Rah 1996-02-09

Sat Sat 1998-07-05 Mer 2001-07-08 Ket 2004-03-17 Ven 2005-04-26 Sun

2008-06-25 Moo 2009-06-07 Mar

2011-01-07 Rah 2012-02-15 Jup 2014-12-22 Mer Mer 2017-07-05 Ket 2019-12-01

Ven 2020-11-27 Sun 2023-09-28 Moo 2024-08-04 Mar 2026-01-03 Rah

2026-12-31 Jup 2029-07-20 Sat 2031-10-26 Ket Ket 2034-07-05 Ven 2034-12-01

Sun 2036-01-31 Moo 2036-06-07 Mar 2037-01-06 Rah 2037-06-04 Jup

2038-06-23 Sat 2039-05-29 Mer 2040-07-07 Ven Ven 2041-07-04 Sun 2044-11-03

Moo 2045-11-03 Mar 2047-07-05 Rah 2048-09-03 Jup 2051-09-04 Sat

2054-05-05 Mer 2057-07-04 Ket 2060-05-04 Sun Sun 2061-07-04 Moo 2061-10-22

Mar 2062-04-22 Rah 2062-08-28 Jup 2063-07-23 Sat

2064-05-10 Mer 2065-04-22 Ket 2066-02-27 Ven 2066-07-04 Moo Moo

2067-07-05 Mar 2068-05-04 Rah 2068-12-03 Jup 2070-06-04 Sat 2071-10-04

Mer 2073-05-04 Ket 2074-10-04 Ven 2075-05-05 Sun 2077-01-03

vijay kumar <v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in> wrote:

Dear Rajesh,

I re-iterate that we all are in the stage of infancy of any knowledge base and

so we need not react very badly like you have done.

I am not under personal bias of any discipline of astrological system in

particular, all are same and have a lot of possibilities of explorations based

on the present times. Let us not brand any system useful or useless.

Please enter into healthy discussions with concrete examples and do not attempt

to say "However from a personal perspective, the tajika system was a complete

failure and infact, relying on such a system can cause tremendous financial

implications and destroy the native’s life completely who depends on such a

system". It could be possible that you may not have understood the subject

properly !!

However, from my side, my general observations are over unless you keep continuing on it.

Thanks,

Vijay Kumar

-

Rajesh Kumaria

vijay kumar

Cc: vedic astrology

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 1:37 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saham's-Additional Notes