Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 Dear Partha, Thanks for your splendid analysis. I am sure many beginners like me would have appreciated this My apologies for not replying earlier. Pls allow me to ask further queries. 1) What is Vijaya yoga, the JHL software doesn't give this. 2) Did u mean that planets in lagna if tightly conjoined the ASc degree, it gives a dynamic personality, I presume malefics would give a fearsome , outgoing , dynamic leadership quaility - Pls kindly correct me and guide me. 3) What is Rajya Pada A10 or A9 4) When I saw the chart, what i could view only was , the exchange of 10th and 11th lords, exchange of 1st and 12th lords, 5th lord in 1st house - I thought this is what made him great. Although earlier I used to think that Lagna lord in the 12th house is bad and the person won't prosper, but now after viewing some charts of established people I have noticed that it isnt so, infact many people who are abroad or have gone abroad or have strong international connections have this same combo ( I agree many other combos to be seen for international travel) 5) What depressed me was that his 10th house, his house of profession and karma has deb Ven - I mean this guy did some of the best work, he has gone to create history, his thuoghts are what todays managers aspire for, he was called an unprofessional man having too much of emotionalism and displaying emotional behaviour in corporate affairs - which is a corporate no no. Same Ven 4th and 11th L is in own sign ( if i am not wrong a Mahapurusha yoga) in the D10 chart, along with Jup 9L and aspecting the 10th house of D10. If i remember correctly PVR is of the opinion that Mahapurusha yoga is not applicable in Divisionals, but others are not so. In his D10: 5th lord of opportunities in Lagna, lagna lord in the 9th house of fortune, forms a good interplay I think, i wonder if this is of some significance, pls guide. I think there is a form of VRY, 3rd lord and 12th lord in the 11th house of income. But what fails me to see is what is that few factors that made him a cult name. The factors that u have outlined many I have understood but some are very high funda stuff 6) Referring back to your analysis, Sanjayji has mentioned in his article on Bhanuji that nodes debilitated in the kendras , i think the 1/7 axis means that he would do great work, and selfless act. I do not know if that principle, can be applied here. I think Bhanuji's chart was with nodes deb with Gemini lagna, so i dont know if one can apply that principle here, Gurus guide to correct me. Coming to Jack Welch, one would say he was a person driven by his own ambition, but to look at it diff maybe he would have done some great act of charity, i dont know, but his book has inspired millions, the word GE has inspired and fed millions . What is the meaning of Tasmin ( u used it in ur email), still trying to wonder here as to how deb nodes can give such great results ( referring to the point where u used Narayana Dasa) Usually astrologers frown upon deb nodes and act as if the person is a cursed sinner. 7) I think what answer I was looking for as to why he became so great lys here in what u wrote, but I wouldn'tbe able to understand it as it is complicated stuff for my small mind. Words lke Isana Dasama , Maya Siddhamsa etc I do not know the meanings. I think one day I shall ask u when i mature more in astrology. The most important point ofcourse is the fact that His Atma Karaka is Mars who is in Isana Dasamsa, Maya Siddhamsa, and Karala Damshtra Sashtyamsa. WHile in Dasamsa, mars in Isana has given him the vision to take his company forward, and in Maya Siddhamsa has given him rare abilities to construct huge empire. Karala Damshtra means frightful teethed, and this would imply a strong, domineering CEO. 8) Why should Sun in the 2nd house in D10, bring huge gains in profession, could u pls expand on this, i know this is basics but i am unable to understand the importance of this apart from the fact taht sun is in Leo its own sign. 9) What u explained about the title of his book was brilliant, a novel way of looking at things, similarly i have heard Chandubhai use such techniques. referrring to ur connection of 'Straight from the Gut' - Manipura Chakra-Agni tatwa- Mars connection, I would like to add that his book has his name written in Red, the color red being maritian in nature. 10) Thanks for explaining through diff dasa systems how he became the CEO. To add and be corrected, on 20th Dec 1980, when Reg the current CEO came to his office to announce that the board had chosen Jack as the CEO, the transits as you said was that Jup and Sat in his 10th house, but I was under the impression as to how this would give good results esp when Ven is deb over there in natal chart. Also on 1st April 1981, when he took over as the CEO in completeness, confusingly the transits were Jup and Sat were retrograde ??? and Mars one of his most influential palnet was in the 4th house aspecting the 10th house. Thanking you so much Partha, it really was a brilliant analysis from you as usual. With blessings from the Divine Mother, Sunil John Mumbai - partha sarathy Sunil John Cc: vedic astrology ; varahamihira Monday, March 01, 2004 10:39 AM Re: Jack Welch Dear Sunil Thanks for the query, I shall analyze the chart of Jack Welch. Jack Welch is Sagittarius rising, and the first thing that I could notice is the Vijaya Yoga in lagna. The Mars and Rahu are tightly conjunct the lagna, within an arc minute, and this defines his dynamic personality. Mars in lagna makes a person cruel, short tempered, bellicose but an inspired fighter. He has been called the manager of the century,if you look at his Rajya Pada, you would notice that there is jupiter and Sun. Well jupiter in trines to Rajya Pada does give big titles, the fact that there is Sun has given him the title of a manager. Mercury in Al in libra has given him the tag of a maverick deal maker(libra is all about deals and trading, mercury is the trader) His Sudden elevation in 1981 can be attributed to some important factors.a) Saturn and jupiter were transiting Virgo, which is his natal 10th house, and also houses Venus. Thus there was bound to be good results pertaining to career., b) In Rasi The narayana dasa of Gemini was running, and it had to give results of debilitated nodes in kendra(Tasmin ...). This was sudden, and he beat out 6 other contenders, owing to the sudden factor of Ketu(Ketu can be very erratic, sudden and here he is in gemini, whose lord mercury is in AL, thus giving the sudden rise) c) The narayana dasa in Dasamsa was of Libra-cancer. And it is clear from his dasamsa. Libra houses the potent venus-jupiter combo, + the antardasa was of lagna(cancer) thus giving results to the self. d) His marriage has been troublesome affair. Rahu-ketu axis predominates in both rasi chakra as well as Navamsa chakra. The fact that there is mars in 2nd house in navamsa, ensured that he had some kind of secret affairs(Mars in scorpio), and also a second marriage. e) The most important point ofcourse is the fact that His Atma Karaka is Mars who is in Isana Dasamsa, Maya Siddhamsa, and Karala Damshtra Sashtyamsa. WHile in Dasamsa, mars in Isana has given him the vision to take his company forward, and in Maya Siddhamsa has given him rare abilities to construct huge empire. Karala Damshtra means frightful teethed, and this would imply a strong, domineering CEO. f) You can also note that Sun is in 2nd house in dasamsa, bringing him huge gains with respect to his profession. 10th lord mercury is in Mesha navamsa, signifying his fierce martian qualities. g) ANother important point is the name of his famous book, which is "Straight from the Gut". Gut is the area just above navel, and rules the Manipura Chakra. It is agni tatwa, ruled by Mars, and the beeja for this chakra is Ram. Well you can see the presence of Mars in the title of His book. Now we can understand the AK Quite well. best wishesparthaSunil John <suniljohn_2004 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Partha, How are you doing, would u like to analyse this chart of famous man JAck Welch, would u kindly do it on the list so that all of us learn. His birth details and bio below. Best wishes Sunil John Jack Welch, the famous ex-CEO of GE Got this information from the Rodden site, " 19th Nov 1935 10.30 am EST +5.00 Peabody, MA 42N31'40'' 70 W 55'45'' Rodden rating is a double AA Source hospital records Biography American business executive, perhaps the most touted CEO in America over the past 20 years. The head of General Electric from 1981, Welch retired on 9/07/2001 with a record of returning more value to shareholders than even Bill Gates or Sam Walton, an increase of more than 3,000% during his tenure. His autobiography, "Jack: Straight From the Gut," became an instant best-seller upon its publication, 9/11/2001. Welch recreated GE, taking an inefficient company into an upwardly mobile behemoth that sells airplane engines, provides mortgages and runs a TV network. A ferocious deal-maker, he was named Manager of the Century by Fortune magazine. For 20 years, Jack worked his way through GE, including the plastics division and Credit corporation, rising to the top job in 1981, succeeding Reginald Jones. When he retired, he left his hand-picked successor, Jeff Immelt. He spent five weeks on a tour to promote the book that copped a $7 million dollar advance, and was then available as a Consultant. He joined a New York private equity firm as a special partner. A slight man who speaks with a heavy Boston accent, Jack comes across like an ordinary Joe, putting people at ease. He can be blunt, crude, coarse, profane and funny, what may be called “paht of his chahm.” He’s a man’s man with three passions; G.E., golf and the Boston Red Sox. He went through a divorce and two heart attacks along the way and admits that he could have been a better dad to his four kids. He was the only child of older parents. His dad was a conductor on the railroad and he was closest to his mom, who encouraged his self-confidence when he stuttered. He was devastated by her death in 1965. He studied chemical engineering at the University of Illinois and started with GE in 1960 at a salary of $10,500 a year. When his first marriage broke up in 1987, he wrote that it was “difficult and painful.” As to parenting, he could only note that he was “the ultimate workaholic.” His second wife, Jane, is a spirited Alabama-born lawyer 17 years younger than he. They both love golf and are both club champions. They live in Connecticut but vacation in Nantucket. Welch's second marriage came to an end with the public disclosure of his affair with Suzy Wetlaufer, 42, a divorce who edits the Harvard Business Review. Wetlaufer was openly delighted in telling colleagues that their relationship began in November 2001, after she completed a series of interviews to compliment the publication of his book. It was ongoing when it reached the pages of Time magazine in March 2002. What Do You Think? 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Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Dear Sunil Coronation nakshatra is important, but i am not sure, whether moon has to exactly on the abhisheka nakshatra. because my brother won Mr.Andhra just one day before moon transited Asresha Nakshatra(His coronation nakshatra), So it could be either trines to coronation nakshatra, or moon transiting close to coronation nakshatra, but we need to experiment more. I got my first job when moon was transiting Ardra(Satabisha is coronation nakshatra), 2nd job in Mrigasira 4th quarter last hour, just about to enter Ardra again, My bhagya tithi is amavasya, and Karma tithi is Krishna Ashtami(Ashtami and Amavasya are lorded by Rahu), Rahu also rules Ardra,satabisha, swati Nakshatras!! Under special tithis, note that i got my jobs on either Amavasya, or krishna Ashtami. Thus this is an interesting exercise for us. It works, but we need to experiment more with some 50 charts. best wishes partha vedic astrology, "Sunil John" <suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote: > Dear Partha, > wow that was great, pls find my humble queries below as Sunil: > - > partha sarathy > Sunil John > Cc: vedic astrology ; Varahamihira > Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:54 PM > Re: Jack Welch > > > Dear Sunil > > Retro planets are like narayana, and on April 1st, Jupiter/saturn were very close to stationary. Stationary planets are like beam of light, and they can give great results. > > Sunil: Yes Partha, I missed out that they were stationary, very difficult to find out thro JHL if a planet in transit chart is stationary, whereas I think Parasara displays it in the clock format. > Many like it I think PVR ji should include that in his software, JHL already has such beautiful features this would top it off. > Yes, thanks for reaffirming that stationary planets are when the results can be so easily given, I had read it couple of times and I always watch out for them in real life. > > I met my Guru Pt.Rath when Jupiter started its retro motion, i decided to attend puri conference this year just after Jupiter started retrograding. So dont dismiss retro planets to give results. Especially Jupiter. Mercury yes i can understand, as it relates to news and communication. > Sunil: Oh no Partha humbly saying I really don't dismiss retro planets, I just wanted to bring it out of ur mouth the importance of it, since most people dont give it imp, I have some charts when people have married when Jup is retro, normally people would think how can a jup retro give such an imp dharmic event like marriage. Although on another account mer retro means my whole life goes upside down incidentally God has decided it to get retro 4 times a year )) > > Another interesting point in our analysis, > > In JHL there is a provision to look at the special nakshatras, for Jack welch, Dhanishta is the Abhisheka nakshatra(Coronation), and on April 1st Moon was transiting Dhanishta, and is conjunt natal 10th lord mercury. > The ashtakavarga strength for 10th house is 38 bindus, and both saturn/jupiter transiting the same, creating the perfect brahma Yoga for Jack Welch. Also note, that Jupiter is lagna lord, and saturn is 2nd lord of food(Food-is paraBrahma, from Tattireya Upanishad), in the 10th house. > > Sunil: That was brilliant, I never even knew of special nakshatras and just checked in JHL that it is there, the Coronation star makes such wonderful logic for that day, he indeed was crowned. So can this special nak be used to time Awards for film stars during Award ceremony days, can it be used to time a new prestigious job, and just to reclarify how does one use it, take the Abhisheka star and see if Moon is transitting thro it or aspect (does aspect work) and see if there is interplay of the 10th lord and then predict that some significant event will take place then.??? > > I had thought I would stop this question session for now, but cant stop, every email of urs is bringing in so many queries and it is tough to asssimilate so much info in such short time. > > COmnig back to Jack, yes his AV points in the 10th and 11th are too high. > > If i remembe correctly Jup and Saturn together means Brahma yoga right, pls clarify. I know two people who have it. > > His corrected time of Birth is 10:30:35 seconds, i think you gave 10:30 AM. This is based on pranapada lagna/janma vighati lagna rectification method. > > Sunil: Thanks for this I shall store it. > > His GL in Dasamsa comes to aquarius, and thus the Narayana dasa running during the battle on december 20th was Li-Cn-Aq-Leo > Libra(Housing Jupiter/venus), Cancer-lagna, Aquarius(has GL), Leo-has sun , the King himself. > > Sunil: Too high for me, i.e Narayana Dasa, but thansk for telling it here, maybe it would help others and show them that an event can always and rather should always be cross checked from several methods. > I better retire for some time and apply for some jobs ) > > Thanks so so much and for ur super patience > > Most get tired with my digging nature, except Ramadasji , Chandrashekharji & Visti and one good old lady. > > Best Joy and Abundance > > Sunil John > > > So some more points for you. > Feel free to ask questions, i am a super-patient guy. > best wishes > partha > > > > Sunil John <suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote: > Dear Partha, > Thanks once again for your reply. > I shall ask a detailed questionaire on change of charakaraka at a later stage, I was aware of the planets chaning if the deg is same in the chart, but i wanted to get more into what practically would happen and how it would manifest, also at what age for diff planets, I shall pursue this soon with u on a mail with diff subject heading. > > I would request you to relook at my query on transits. I have grasped what u said about Ven being involved ina special yoga for Dhanus lagna, but on April 1st 1981 when he took over as CEO independentally, the Sat (creator) and Jup ( giver) were both retrograde. usually If i am not wrong most astrologers say that when we go to them, they ask us for the major planets to get direct, how could both retro planets give him the final pudding. whereas when the news was announced to him on the 20th of dec previous year these planets if i remember correctly were direct. > > > Taking over the position of CEO of worlds 10th largest company (those days it was 10th on the Fortune 500 list) during the time when both planets are retro, most of us would have predicted doom for him. > > Looknig back at ur previous answer, 6th lord apart from competition i feel it contributes to new jobs, this I say on the basis of some new research material that has come in my hands. I shall puruse on this aspect of 6th lord and Amk's role in career wtih you and other distinguished members at a later stage. > > If u feel I am digging a bit too deep in Jacks chart and must back off kindly let me know. > > I do agree that sometimes i fail to grasp simple concepts also. I was planning this to be the last mail on Jacks chart as most of the queries you have patiently replied. > > Thanking you > > Joy and Abundance > > Sunil John > Mumbai > 9892216390 > > To add and be corrected, on 20th Dec 1980, when Reg the current CEO came to his office to announce that the board had chosen Jack as the CEO, the transits as you said was that Jup and Sat in his 10th house, but I was under the impression as to how this would give good results esp when Ven is deb over there in natal chart. > Also on 1st April 1981, when he took over as the CEO in completeness, confusingly the transits were > Jup and Sat were retrograde ??? and Mars one of his most influential palnet was in the 4th house aspecting the 10th house. > > PARTHA:-you are missing an important point. Venus is the debilitated 6th lord, which rules competition. No wonder my grandfather mentioned debilitated Venus as a raja yoga for Dhanus lagna. Look at the dasa running Rahu-venus-saturn. And saturn and jupiter are transiting over natal Venus, what else would point to the raja yoga mentioned in the birth chart if not this!! > > > > -- ---------- > > Search - Find what you're looking for faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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