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Dear Mukund, Siva, Mark & others

The following is a reproduction of a beautiful mail

received by me which perfectly reflects the challanges

that one faces at some point of time. even though This

mail has no astrological contents it has something for

all of us.

Astrologer (Guru)is only a the medium who can show a

light. Please read below..

 

Most often we get caught in a web of make believe or

illusion - which brings us pain and suffering,

specially when the temporary effects

of the illusion terminate. If not for the optimism

our lives journey to move on would have been seemingly

impossible provided we have exercise of will

and the support of devotion and faith in the higher

powers to be able see his diverse ways that lead us to

a future that is satisfying.

It is impossible to find a man or woman who is

completely satisfied in every aspect of life. All of

us are in a journey through life where the road is not

perfect. There are rough patches, obstructions,

obstacles, sickness, sorrow and pain. But the journey

has to be completed as Kala, or Time does not allow

our lives to stand still even for an instant.

The Vedas advise on many occasions that one must pray,

perform Yajnas and other high-energy rituals willingly

and without skepticism. One needs to believe in His

grace so as to make the positive energy flow and rise

to high levels.

As we pursue our hopes and dreams, let us stop a while

 

and ponder over a thought, beautifully portrayed in

the 4th Chapter

of Srimad Bhagavat Gita:

 

"karmany akarma yah pasyed

akarmani ca karama yah

sa buddhiman manusyesu

sa yuktah krishna-karma-krit"

 

Which translates to:

He who sees inaction in action,

and action in inaction,

is intelligent among men,

He is a yogi and a doer of all action.

 

In the same chapter, Gita also says:

Longing for success in action,

in this world, (men) worship the Gods,

so that success resulting from action, is quickly

attained in the human world.

 

We are all humans at the mercy and protection of the

Great One and there is no end to his kindness just as

there is no end to our desires.

Success and prosperity are the two most important

milestones of our life and without them life becomes

lack luster and discontent. We require being

successful in order to protect ourselves and our own.

 

We must experience what we desire, keeping in mind

that a balance in our desire is the root of success as

well. It is God who created the world, so that we are

able to experience pleasures of this earth and

subsequently take them in our stride. If the desired

result is negative there is an essence of insatiable

desire in us. So the sooner the wishes are fulfilled

the faster is the contentment.

 

With this end in mind the Taittriya Upanishad scripts

that if one

worships with repeated salutations, all the longings

of the heart will

be fulfilled.

Excuse me if I had wasted your valuable time, but I

felt this was a great mail to be shared.

 

With His blessings

Lakshman

 

 

 

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Dear Venkat & others,

 

You might be familiar with Vemana's poetry(in Telugu). Short poems, simple to

understand.That was what i thought till very recently.

 

To the question, where is God, why He is not visible? He replied:

 

Can you see the portion between your eyebrows?

 

Can you see the top of your head?

 

Can you see your own back?

 

There is a deeper meaning to what he said. middle of eyebrows is Third eye,

Sahasrara is the top of head and he meant 'Kunadalini' by the back.

 

Now, we know of animals having better eye sight, better smelling power etc., Why

should we put so much emphasis on "seeing with our own eyes"(!), knowing our own

limitations?

 

My opinion is that our existance is on several planes. Planets ( forced

definition of Grahas) are handpicked to symbolise (what?)..... otherwise every

sattelite we put up in the space must change our fates, collectively and

individually.

 

This gives us a clue that the connection is not physical/ visible.

 

Understanding the 'bodies' used in Jyotish is a good starting point!

 

Regards

viswanadham

 

 

venkatarama_sastry <venkatarama_sastry > wrote:

Siva Ji, May I comment on some of your observations? > > For me and probably

many others, seeing is believing and we > believe > > in astrology but I dont

think there has ever been a *complete* > > explanation of how Jyotish works.

Siva, I don't think there is a *complete* explanation of how ANYTHING works in

any science! Take the simple example of sight for instance. Our eyes produce an

upside down image on the cornea. *How* does our brain turn it the right side up?

Why do we percieve different wavelengths as colors? Or mathematical series of

frequencies together as pleasing music and unrelated frequencies as noise? Or

why a cell's DNA know when to make the correct RNA of two different kinds of

RNA possible? There are really very few *complete* explanations. We are

learning as we go, and

frankly that is the thrill for me. If we knew it ALL, there will be nothing to

strive for! The point is that we take those results and try to understand why

that's so. Similarly, Jyotish may consistently give you the correct results,

whether or not we understand WHY it works. There are many theories > postulated

> > by Jyotish teachers based on puranas, classics, etc. However to > > *reveal*

(as opposed to interpreting from books) such knowledge > > would require a

Sat-Guru that has fully realized the universe. > Many > > SatGurus that do

teach humanity after their realiation concentrate > > only on knowledge of Self

and means to attain it. They mostly > ignore > > Jyotish which probably pales

before knowledge of Self, knowing > which > > one knows everything.> > > > Be

blessed!> > -Siva.

[Guest guest]

Dear Partha Sarathy!

Why you al the phenomena correlate with third eye. And where is it

when you are sleeping? Where is it after you earth existence?

 

Best wishes.

Lyudmla

 

vedic astrology, partha sarathy

<partvinu5> wrote:

> Dear Sundeep and list

> Thank you for this good discussion on observation, and the

understanding of astrology as a science.

>

> What I would talk about is not very unfamiliar to the one that you

already know but would however help us to dig deeper into the process

of predictions.

>

> Vishnu is the all pervading consciousness, and he is talking to us

all the times, so what I am proposing is not new but definitely a

different understanding of Jyotish.

>

> Jyotish as we all seem to understand, is taking up charts, or

horoscopes and trying to either establish a link between planets and

causes, or the causes to planets, or whatever way one has defined it

so far.

>

> Jyotish is the Third eye, or the eye that "Percieves" the linkages

even to the microcosmic level. What we do with the two eyes is

seeing, but the third eye is the one which "Percieves" the "Signals"

for a holistic understanding that leads to awareness of the higher

energies.

>

> I would not bore you guys to death, and would straight away come

to the focus of this article. I would like to narrate an incident

that recently took place while I was going to attend the Puri

Conference.

>

> While I was going in the train, I saw a small station called

Dusi, and I immediately calculated the vedic number for the station

using Katapayadi varga, it came to 6.

>

> (Doosi, d- here is "the", so doosi, comes to 87, reverse 78,

divided by 12, remainder =6=virgo)

>

> I saw three passengers talking about murder of a student that took

place in Srikakulam.( A town in coastal Andhra pradesh). They were

talking about police etc, and the conversation was around 11 50 Am

(7th Of January 2004).

>

> Then they got down at Srikakulam, and a policeman boarded the

train and came and sat just next to me. He enquired about me and

asked me what I do, I replied that I am an astrologer and

do "timepass astrology", and he then asked me to read the chart of

his daughter. I checked up the time, it was around 12 35 Pm, and I

guessed through manual calculation that aries would be rising with

Rahu in it. Still I proceeded, and I found that she was Sagittarius

Rising, with Aries moon sign, Bharani nakshatra. The hora lord sun

was sitting right next to his buddy mercury in Sagittarius in the

prasna chart.

>

> I asked the policeman , whether he got a promotion or something

good related to job when the daughter was born, and he replied in

affirmative. She was born in Sukra dasa, and currently she was

running Sun dasa.

>

> I predicted marriage for her, and then he got down at the next

station. All the events took place within the span of one hour.

>

> Now friends a few points here

>

> a) There are totally six guys here(3 passengers, a student, a

policeman, and his daughter)

>

> b) Virgo a female sign is represented by the number 6.

>

> c) Lord of virgo is mercury who is a student, and also a child

>

> d) Hora lord at the time of first conversation was mars, and

rahu was in second house in aries(Pisces rising), and mars is also

the 2nd lord and the 9th lord.

>

> e) Hora lord at the time of conversation with the Policeman

was sun, and sun is the fifth lord with child mercury(lord of virgo)

in Sagittarius

>

> f) The whole story started with a station called dusi.

>

>

>

> Now guys, I can go on and on, and show you the link between

signposts, signals, Vedic astrology, Nimitta etc etc. But the

crucial point to understand is that there is a continuous stream of

information that keeps bomarding us all the times, the constant

stream of Vishnu, the all pervading Vishnu. If we restrict astrology

to the definition given by medieval astrologers as the maverick

science trying to understand marriages, nuptial bonds, and progeny

then we are lost.

>

> Look at the broader picture, Jyotish i reiterate is the Third eye

that helps us perceive the Microcosm in macrocosm, and understand the

linkages, it is not establishing linkages, but getting aware of the

linkages. Whether one shouts from the roof top claiming himself as

scientist or a mathematicians, as most of the guys who criticize

astrology do, we are not here to cool them down. The very fact that

they are criticizing astrology shows that they are deeply interested

and intrigued and bewildered by this fascinating human science, the

science of the Vedas, the science of the "EXISTENCE",

>

> Love

>

> Partha

>

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As always your emails are so insightful. It would be great if you can share some

more information about the katapayadi varga.

 

Thank you much.

Regards,

 

- Jaipartha sarathy <partvinu5 > wrote:

Dear Sundeep and list Thank you for this good discussion on observation, and

the understanding of astrology as a science.

What I would talk about is not very unfamiliar to the one that you already know

but would however help us to dig deeper into the process of predictions.

Vishnu is the all pervading consciousness, and he is talking to us all the

times, so what I am proposing is not new but definitely a different

understanding of Jyotish.

Jyotish as we all seem to understand, is taking up charts, or horoscopes and

trying to either establish a link between planets and causes, or the causes to

planets, or whatever way one has defined it so far.

Jyotish is the Third eye, or the eye that “Percieves” the linkages even to the

microcosmic level. What we do with the two eyes is seeing, but the third eye is

the one which “Percieves” the “Signals” for a holistic understanding that leads

to awareness of the higher energies.

I would not bore you guys to death, and would straight away come to the focus

of this article. I would like to narrate an incident that recently took place

while I was going to attend the Puri Conference.

While I was going in the train, I saw a small station called Dusi, and I

immediately calculated the vedic number for the station using Katapayadi varga,

it came to 6.

(Doosi, d- here is “the”, so doosi, comes to 87, reverse 78, divided by 12, remainder =6=virgo)

I saw three passengers talking about murder of a student that took place in

Srikakulam.( A town in coastal Andhra pradesh). They were talking about police

etc, and the conversation was around 11 50 Am(7th Of January 2004).

Then they got down at Srikakulam, and a policeman boarded the train and came

and sat just next to me. He enquired about me and asked me what I do, I replied

that I am an astrologer and do “timepass astrology”, and he then asked me to

read the chart of his daughter. I checked up the time, it was around 12 35 Pm,

and I guessed through manual calculation that aries would be rising with Rahu

in it. Still I proceeded, and I found that she was Sagittarius Rising, with

Aries moon sign, Bharani nakshatra. The hora lord sun was sitting right next to

his buddy mercury in Sagittarius in the prasna chart.

I asked the policeman , whether he got a promotion or something good related to

job when the daughter was born, and he replied in affirmative. She was born in

Sukra dasa, and currently she was running Sun dasa.

I predicted marriage for her, and then he got down at the next station. All the

events took place within the span of one hour.

Now friends a few points here

a) There are totally six guys here(3 passengers, a student, a policeman,

and his daughter)

b) Virgo a female sign is represented by the number 6.

c) Lord of virgo is mercury who is a student, and also a child

d) Hora lord at the time of first conversation was mars, and rahu was in

second house in aries(Pisces rising), and mars is also the 2nd lord and the 9th

lord.

e) Hora lord at the time of conversation with the Policeman was sun, and

sun is the fifth lord with child mercury(lord of virgo) in Sagittarius

f) The whole story started with a station called dusi.

 

Now guys, I can go on and on, and show you the link between signposts, signals,

Vedic astrology, Nimitta etc etc. But the crucial point to understand is that

there is a continuous stream of information that keeps bomarding us all the

times, the constant stream of Vishnu, the all pervading Vishnu. If we restrict

astrology to the definition given by medieval astrologers as the maverick

science trying to understand marriages, nuptial bonds, and progeny then we are

lost.

Look at the broader picture, Jyotish i reiterate is the Third eye that helps us

perceive the Microcosm in macrocosm, and understand the linkages, it is not

establishing linkages, but getting aware of the linkages. Whether one shouts

from the roof top claiming himself as scientist or a mathematicians, as most of

the guys who criticize astrology do, we are not here to cool them down. The very

fact that they are criticizing astrology shows that they are deeply interested

and intrigued and bewildered by this fascinating human science, the science of

the Vedas, the science of the “EXISTENCE”,

Love

Partha

 

Dear Sundeep,Thats a very good point about observing first and then

predicting.However, I am not sure about your second observation.I believe there

are instances in Jyotish classics where the authors(rishis) indicate that

planets cause so and so. For example, whiletalking about conjunction of planets

and when sun hides the planets,I remember reading something like "rays" of

planets dont reach theperson, etc. Please note that I am just basing it on my

memory whichmay be incorrect.Such statements tend to give the opinion that the

divine forceassociated with these planets "cause" and not just

indicate.Otherwise remedies to Graha Lords may not make much sense.Now, here is

a question for all: Are there instances where it isclearly and unambiguously

said anywhere in classics that1. Planets cause an effect on us (based on our

past karma) OR2. Planets just

denote/indicate.Nimittas is a very different story altogether. I am referring

toplanetary astrology here.-Siva.vedic astrology,

"vedicastrostudent"<vedicastrostudent> wrote:> Siva,> I am forced to

comment on one statement of yours, because I see> people misinterpreting this

all the time. This is not directed at> you, but a general attitude I have seen

which I think needs to be> corrected:>> > For me and probably many others,

seeing is believing and we> believe> > in astrology but I dont think there has

ever been a *complete*> > explanation of how Jyotish works.>>> The true

scientist values empiricism above all else. This is the> unalterable

sequence for any true scientist: OBSERVATION comesfirst,> then HYPOTHESIS, then

PREDICTION based on hypothesis, thenpromotion> of HYPOTHESIS to EXPLANATION

based on the VALIDATION of it's> PREDICTIONS. What I see many many people doing

is debunkingJyotish> falsely under the covers of "science". When they say "how

can a> planet millions of miles away affect our destiny", they are notbeing>

scientific because they are FIRST looking for an EXPLANATION,BEFORE> accepting

the OBSERVATIONS. A true scientist always observesfirst,> even if he has no

theories or explanations, or worse, even if the> observations flatly contradict

his pre-existing beliefs andtheories.> Einstein for example OBSERVED that the

speed of light was a dead> constant in all directions BEFORE he hypothesized

the theory that> explained it. The constancy of the speed of light was in

stark> contradiction

to then existing theories, but that didnt stopEinstein> from observing that

constancy as a FACT.>> The true scientific approach to Jyotish is to observe

first. *IS*> there a correlation between the movement of planets and our

lives?> Once you get PAST that i.e have answered the question in YES orNO,> you

can proceed to the hypothesis. People frequently go the other> way - they cant

find a comfortable hypothesis, so they deny the> facts. That is not

scientific.>> Secondly, the next biggest mistake I see people making, and yes

I> have not seen ONE person point out this mistake is that when theysee> a

correlation between A and B, they automatically assume that A> CAUSES B. That

is an assumption - it is only ONE possibility of> potentially more. Case in

point: Jyotish. When they see themovement> of planets correlating directly with

the events in the lives of>

people, people automatically assume that the movement of planets> CAUSES those

events. Huh? Why? Say for example the mail in yourhouse> comes at 2pm. You keep

watching the clock on the wall, and when it> hits 2pm you run to your mailbox

and sure enough, there is themail.> Did the movement of the clock to the

position 2pm CAUSE the mailto> come? No! Both the mailman and you are using a

synchronized clock.> Neither caused the other. The same MAY be the case for

JYOTISH. It> MAY - I dont know, I am simply not eliminating it as

apossibility.> The planets may be like a complex clock in the sky (that can

beread> only by competent astrologers of course), keeping time of eventsthat>

occur in your life. They may only be the clock, not necessarilythe> process

that causes the event. I find it funny when people say -we> know all the

material forces e.g. gravity that emanate from

all> planets, and none has enough magnitude to affect anything onearth.> My

answer - So what? The planets may not be CAUSING the things on> earth, simply

TIMING them.>>> Sundeep

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Partha!! As usual, an EXCELLENT post! "The constant stream of

information that keeps bombarding us at all time, the constant

stream of Vishnu...." Aha! As usual, you hit the nail on the head,

when you talked about understanding the linkages. From the

descriptions of the great Seers, that understanding seems to be the

basis for the ultimate Bliss. We hastily perceive one or

two "coincidences" when the entire beautiful pattern remains to be

discovered, if only we make the effort to perceive "the constant

stream of Vishnu". That's a wonderful phrase, thank you, I will

meditate on that image!

 

Keep those great posts coming. Narasimha, thank you for maintaining

this list. This is the modern equivalent of a holy ashrama where we

all learn and grow from each other, and from the learned teachers.

And thank god for leading me to this university.

 

Venkat

 

vedic astrology, partha sarathy

<partvinu5> wrote:

> Dear Sundeep and list

> Thank you for this good discussion on observation, and the

understanding of astrology as a science.

>

> What I would talk about is not very unfamiliar to the one that

you already know but would however help us to dig deeper into the

process of predictions.

>

> Vishnu is the all pervading consciousness, and he is talking to

us all the times, so what I am proposing is not new but definitely a

different understanding of Jyotish.

>

> Jyotish as we all seem to understand, is taking up charts, or

horoscopes and trying to either establish a link between planets and

causes, or the causes to planets, or whatever way one has defined it

so far.

>

> Jyotish is the Third eye, or the eye that "Percieves" the

linkages even to the microcosmic level. What we do with the two eyes

is seeing, but the third eye is the one which "Percieves"

the "Signals" for a holistic understanding that leads to awareness

of the higher energies.

>

> I would not bore you guys to death, and would straight away come

to the focus of this article. I would like to narrate an incident

that recently took place while I was going to attend the Puri

Conference.

>

> While I was going in the train, I saw a small station called

Dusi, and I immediately calculated the vedic number for the station

using Katapayadi varga, it came to 6.

>

> (Doosi, d- here is "the", so doosi, comes to 87, reverse 78,

divided by 12, remainder =6=virgo)

>

> I saw three passengers talking about murder of a student that

took place in Srikakulam.( A town in coastal Andhra pradesh). They

were talking about police etc, and the conversation was around 11 50

Am(7th Of January 2004).

>

> Then they got down at Srikakulam, and a policeman boarded the

train and came and sat just next to me. He enquired about me and

asked me what I do, I replied that I am an astrologer and

do "timepass astrology", and he then asked me to read the chart of

his daughter. I checked up the time, it was around 12 35 Pm, and I

guessed through manual calculation that aries would be rising with

Rahu in it. Still I proceeded, and I found that she was Sagittarius

Rising, with Aries moon sign, Bharani nakshatra. The hora lord sun

was sitting right next to his buddy mercury in Sagittarius in the

prasna chart.

>

> I asked the policeman , whether he got a promotion or something

good related to job when the daughter was born, and he replied in

affirmative. She was born in Sukra dasa, and currently she was

running Sun dasa.

>

> I predicted marriage for her, and then he got down at the next

station. All the events took place within the span of one hour.

>

> Now friends a few points here

>

> a) There are totally six guys here(3 passengers, a student,

a policeman, and his daughter)

>

> b) Virgo a female sign is represented by the number 6.

>

> c) Lord of virgo is mercury who is a student, and also a child

>

> d) Hora lord at the time of first conversation was mars, and

rahu was in second house in aries(Pisces rising), and mars is also

the 2nd lord and the 9th lord.

>

> e) Hora lord at the time of conversation with the Policeman

was sun, and sun is the fifth lord with child mercury(lord of virgo)

in Sagittarius

>

> f) The whole story started with a station called dusi.

>

>

>

> Now guys, I can go on and on, and show you the link between

signposts, signals, Vedic astrology, Nimitta etc etc. But the

crucial point to understand is that there is a continuous stream of

information that keeps bomarding us all the times, the constant

stream of Vishnu, the all pervading Vishnu. If we restrict astrology

to the definition given by medieval astrologers as the maverick

science trying to understand marriages, nuptial bonds, and progeny

then we are lost.

>

> Look at the broader picture, Jyotish i reiterate is the Third eye

that helps us perceive the Microcosm in macrocosm, and understand

the linkages, it is not establishing linkages, but getting aware of

the linkages. Whether one shouts from the roof top claiming himself

as scientist or a mathematicians, as most of the guys who criticize

astrology do, we are not here to cool them down. The very fact that

they are criticizing astrology shows that they are deeply interested

and intrigued and bewildered by this fascinating human science, the

science of the Vedas, the science of the "EXISTENCE",

>

> Love

>

> Partha

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vishwanadham garu,

 

Could you post that poem, or send it to my private email, please? In

Telugu, I mean. The meaning is wonderful, thank you for explaining.

I am familiar with many poems of that great man, but am not familiar

with this one. My two favorites are "Chitta suddhi leni siva

poojalela raa", which means "What is the point of worshipping Siva

if your mind is impure", and "Kanchu mroginatlu kanakanbu mrogunaa",

which means "Does Gold make a loud noise the way Copper does?" ,

meaning that the truly great don't blow their own trumpets the way

lesser people do!

 

Thank you for reminding me.

Venkat

 

vedic astrology, H S Viswanadham

<vishwanatham@r...> wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Venkat & others,

>

> You might be familiar with Vemana's poetry(in Telugu). Short

poems, simple to understand.That was what i thought till very

recently.

>

> To the question, where is God, why He is not visible? He replied:

>

> Can you see the portion between your eyebrows?

>

> Can you see the top of your head?

>

> Can you see your own back?

>

> There is a deeper meaning to what he said. middle of eyebrows is

Third eye, Sahasrara is the top of head and he meant 'Kunadalini' by

the back.

>

> Now, we know of animals having better eye sight, better smelling

power etc., Why should we put so much emphasis on "seeing with our

own eyes"(!), knowing our own limitations?

>

> My opinion is that our existance is on several planes. Planets (

forced definition of Grahas) are handpicked to symbolise

(what?)..... otherwise every sattelite we put up in the space must

change our fates, collectively and individually.

>

> This gives us a clue that the connection is not physical/ visible.

>

> Understanding the 'bodies' used in Jyotish is a good starting

point!

>

> Regards

> viswanadham

>

>

> venkatarama_sastry <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> Siva Ji,

>

> May I comment on some of your observations?

>

> > > For me and probably many others, seeing is believing and we

> > believe

> > > in astrology but I dont think there has ever been a *complete*

> > > explanation of how Jyotish works.

>

>

> Siva, I don't think there is a *complete* explanation of how

> ANYTHING works in any science! Take the simple example of sight

for

> instance. Our eyes produce an upside down image on the cornea.

*How*

> does our brain turn it the right side up? Why do we percieve

> different wavelengths as colors? Or mathematical series of

> frequencies together as pleasing music and unrelated frequencies

as

> noise? Or why a cell's DNA know when to make the correct RNA of

two

> different kinds of RNA possible? There are really very few

> *complete* explanations. We are learning as we go, and frankly

that

> is the thrill for me. If we knew it ALL, there will be nothing to

> strive for! The point is that we take those results and try to

> understand why that's so. Similarly, Jyotish may consistently give

> you the correct results, whether or not we understand WHY it

works.

>

>

> There are many theories

> > postulated

> > > by Jyotish teachers based on puranas, classics, etc. However

to

> > > *reveal* (as opposed to interpreting from books) such

knowledge

> > > would require a Sat-Guru that has fully realized the universe.

> > Many

> > > SatGurus that do teach humanity after their realiation

> concentrate

> > > only on knowledge of Self and means to attain it. They mostly

> > ignore

> > > Jyotish which probably pales before knowledge of Self, knowing

> > which

> > > one knows everything.

> > >

> > > Be blessed!

> > > -Siva.