2- & Sundeep, ...from Mark K....2/11..... To Siva: moksha & Everything...

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Dear Sundeep & All:

 

 

 

I loved your many good points here. You describe very well how we can look

at Jyotish, in a simple, yes, scientific way.

 

I'd also like to respond to your clock analogy. I do understand that the

Planets or Stars, themselves may not be the causality of either how we are

of what we're feeling or do.

 

But, take the Moon for example. Jyotish believes that the Moon is one of

the most important Astrological influences, and it's influences are

certainly, causal. The Sun, too, though billions of miles away has very

real and powerful causal results.

 

These two Jyotish configurations, having Causal results...makes me lean

towards a causal link.

 

I love, especially the Astronomical pictures of whole Galaxies that are

caught in a great Cosmic web of causal forces.

 

Though the individual stars may be hundreads and thousands of light-years!

away.

 

I think that Jyotish is both a science of causal effect and one of symbolic

effect. The fact that the symbolisms of Jyotish fit us, doesn't necessarily

mean that we're effected by those Galactic forces.

 

They may just give expression to 'what' we are, being born.

 

But the truth is that the wisdom of these symbolisms does fit us and that's

the most important thing.

 

Then, the fact, that this wisdom gives us greater insight into who and what

we are is really the point.

 

And then, especially, then, using that knowledge to grow, to improve

ourselvces, become better human beings and evolve...

 

now, that' the real purpose of Jyotish.

 

The rest is just interesting, gravy!

 

 

 

Fun converstions...

 

 

 

Jai Guru!

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

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It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as well as other aspects of Jyotish

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> "vedicastrostudent" <vedicastrostudent

> Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:15:05 -0000

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] To Siva: Re: moksha & Everything...

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> Siva,

> I am forced to comment on one statement of yours, because I see

> people misinterpreting this all the time. This is not directed at

> you, but a general attitude I have seen which I think needs to be

> corrected:

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>> For me and probably many others, seeing is believing and we

> believe

>> in astrology but I dont think there has ever been a *complete*

>> explanation of how Jyotish works.

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> The true scientist values empiricism above all else. This is the

> unalterable sequence for any true scientist: OBSERVATION comes first,

> then HYPOTHESIS, then PREDICTION based on hypothesis, then promotion

> of HYPOTHESIS to EXPLANATION based on the VALIDATION of it's

> PREDICTIONS. What I see many many people doing is debunking Jyotish

> falsely under the covers of "science". When they say "how can a

> planet millions of miles away affect our destiny", they are not being

> scientific because they are FIRST looking for an EXPLANATION, BEFORE

> accepting the OBSERVATIONS. A true scientist always observes first,

> even if he has no theories or explanations, or worse, even if the

> observations flatly contradict his pre-existing beliefs and theories.

> Einstein for example OBSERVED that the speed of light was a dead

> constant in all directions BEFORE he hypothesized the theory that

> explained it. The constancy of the speed of light was in stark

> contradiction to then existing theories, but that didnt stop Einstein

> from observing that constancy as a FACT.

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> The true scientific approach to Jyotish is to observe first. *IS*

> there a correlation between the movement of planets and our lives?

> Once you get PAST that i.e have answered the question in YES or NO,

> you can proceed to the hypothesis. People frequently go the other

> way - they cant find a comfortable hypothesis, so they deny the

> facts. That is not scientific.

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> Secondly, the next biggest mistake I see people making, and yes I

> have not seen ONE person point out this mistake is that when they see

> a correlation between A and B, they automatically assume that A

> CAUSES B. That is an assumption - it is only ONE possibility of

> potentially more. Case in point: Jyotish. When they see the movement

> of planets correlating directly with the events in the lives of

> people, people automatically assume that the movement of planets

> CAUSES those events. Huh? Why? Say for example the mail in your house

> comes at 2pm. You keep watching the clock on the wall, and when it

> hits 2pm you run to your mailbox and sure enough, there is the mail.

> Did the movement of the clock to the position 2pm CAUSE the mail to

> come? No! Both the mailman and you are using a synchronized clock.

> Neither caused the other. The same MAY be the case for JYOTISH. It

> MAY - I dont know, I am simply not eliminating it as a possibility.

> The planets may be like a complex clock in the sky (that can be read

> only by competent astrologers of course), keeping time of events that

> occur in your life. They may only be the clock, not necessarily the

> process that causes the event. I find it funny when people say - we

> know all the material forces e.g. gravity that emanate from all

> planets, and none has enough magnitude to affect anything on earth.

> My answer - So what? The planets may not be CAUSING the things on

> earth, simply TIMING them.

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