2- from Mark K.....2/11..... moksha & Everything...

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Dear All:

 

I think reflecting on how Jyotish works is not only valid, but also very

interesting.

 

But, it's a lot like asking how does Karma get calculated by the Universe

and sent back to us in just the right, exact timings.

 

Jyotish is just the wisdom of this reality of Karma. Western science is

beginning to catch up with this ancient Vedic wisdom.

 

Though historically, in the West, we used to believe in.... 'As you sow, so

shall you reap.'

 

Nowadays, Modern Psychics has a new expression...'For every action, there's

an equal and opposite re-action.'

 

And though this expression is only applied to physical objects like

molecules and atoms, but hopefully, someday, someone's going to figure out

how this physical law, also applys to Psychology and human beings, as well.

 

Fortunately, there is Jyotish which understands all the ways in which the

Universe works, how souls, individuals being born at any given time, will in

fact...have particular and precise human 'astrological' natures, and

personalities. We can also tell from someone's Jyotish chart, what their

human chacteristics and tendencies will be and what their strengths and

weaknesses will be.

 

This knowledge holds great hope for so many different areas of Life.

 

Look at modern Genetics, today, that has the high hope at being able to

understand someday, how our genetic code, which is responsible for each and

every aspect of ourselves,...can in fact, be changed and improved.

 

Jyotish, is indeed, Cosmic... dna, Genetics. It's ancient, but it does

contain the wisdom of what our genetics will be like.

 

We can tell from someone's chart who will be predisposed to cancer, and who

heart disease. It's all there in someone's charts....

 

 

And any kind of 'healthy' skepticism is okay, as long as it doesn't negate a

willingness to be open to the possibilities.

 

What we need to do is conduct more and more scientific research and

demonstrate the authenticity of this wisdom and demonstrate it's powers.

 

Maybe there is some Vedic wisdom somewhere that trys to describe how or why

the laws of nature are the way they are.

 

But, in modern science there has been a healthy debate about those rules, or

theorems and eventually what got to be considered a law of nature, only

occured after much discussion and close examination.

 

Personally, I think that's one of the reasons why God created a scientific

age so we could grow in the real appreciation of the truthful knowledges of

life.

 

It's not true that the World is flat. It used to be believed, true, but

nowadays, no one of any intellectual worth, believes in such things.

 

We need to look at Jyotish this way, that it just might hold some wonderful

and powerful insights into the nature of human existence and our place,

position and role in human civilization and life.

 

Personally, I also believe that Jyotish is ultimately a path of

Enlightenment and also a path of Self-Realization.

 

We have this story in the West about how 3 wise men followed a star to the

stable where a small child was being born.

 

And these wise men, some kings, even followed the advice of their

astrologers how to follow this star to find the Lord of the universe, being

born in a stable.

 

Like that, I believe that Jyotish is about the meaning of human life, why

each one of us has incarnated on this Earth.

 

My personal experience shows that each and every person that I've done their

charts, literally fits them!

 

This itself is a wild and fascinating concept that there is some readily

easy knowledge that might be able to help us understand ourselves better.

 

I used to be a Philosophy and Education major in college and I never found

any knowledge that so, exactly and precisely,.... is able to perceive into

the nature and details of a person's life,... like Jyotish.

 

And Jyotish isn't a belief or religion. It's a systemic body of knowledge

that doesn't demand belief only inquisitiveness and openess to understand.

 

 

 

take care, all....

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

PS....for those of you who haven't heard, I also write a Jyotish newsletter.

It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as well as other aspects of Jyotish

knowledge. If you, or anyone else in this group is interested, in

subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at: m.kincaid And

the newsletter is free.

 

 

 

 

> "schinnas" <schinnas

> Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:15:25 -0000

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: moksha & Everything...

>

> Dear Mr. Saikumar,

> The questions Mr. Mukund asked are very genuine because that is

> what is generally asked by almost everyone that first confronts

> astrology. Any open minded, rational thinking person would have got

> similar questions atleast once in his/her lifetime, unless they are

> blindly taught to believe right from their childhood. It is better

> to confront honest questions rather than run away from it and

> calling the questioner names!

>

> Since many call astrology a science, they cannot shy away from

> answering those questions. In fact, I am surprised that only Mark

> tried to answer those questions. These questions are probably more

> fundamental and more important than questions like combinations for

> court cases, predicting stock market, etc.

>

> To Mukund and others with similar questions:

>

> For me and probably many others, seeing is believing and we believe

> in astrology but I dont think there has ever been a *complete*

> explanation of how Jyotish works. There are many theories postulated

> by Jyotish teachers based on puranas, classics, etc. However to

> *reveal* (as opposed to interpreting from books) such knowledge

> would require a Sat-Guru that has fully realized the universe. Many

> SatGurus that do teach humanity after their realiation concentrate

> only on knowledge of Self and means to attain it. They mostly ignore

> Jyotish which probably pales before knowledge of Self, knowing which

> one knows everything.

>

> Be blessed!

> -Siva.

>

> vedic astrology, "Saikumar" <astrossk@c...>

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Mark,

>> Thank you for patiently answering Mukund.

>> Dear Narasimha,

>> Can we stop people from posting anything which does not encourage

> the study of

>> Astrology on this list. If people do not believe in Astrology they

> can go

>> elsewhere and pursue their materialistic pleasures.

>> Also, if they have some form of "IDENTITY CRISIS", I think they

> should find a

>> different forum to get their problem fixed rather than wasting

> time/data/disk

>> space/energy of many enthusiastic (to-be)astrologers on this list.

>> Please consider.

>> Regards,

>> Sai

>>

>>

>> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...>

>> 2004/02/09 12:07:31

>> Vedic Astrology <vedic astrology>

>> Cc:

>> moksha & Everything...

>>

>> Dear Mukund:

>>

>> You bring up some very interesting features of Jyotish.

>>

>> Please see below:

>>

>>

>>

>>> "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

>>> Fri, 06 Feb 2004 19:29:02 -0000

>>> vedic astrology

>>> 2-[vedic astrology] & Venkat...2/6.... Re: Free

> will, karma

>> and

>>> moksha

>>>

>>> Hello Mark and other believers in astrology:

>>>

>>> You talk about "possiblities through each planet." How can a

> planet

>>> millions and millons of light years away affect the lives of a

> human

>>> being here on Earth.

>>

>> We see all the times, how celestial objects though they're

> millions of miles

>> away

>> effect the Earth.

>>

>> The Moon we're the most aware of. It creates our Ocean's tides,

> for goodness

>> sake.

>> And any woman will tell you her very physiology is connected to

> the Moon.

>> Lady's cycle is a lunar cycle.

>>

>> I was also watching a nature channel last year and they were

> discussing this

>> particular shell fish and it's birthing habits. The show said

> that every

>> full Moon in February, this particular sea animal swims back to

> this

>> particular cove off the coast of Thailand every February Full Moon.

>>

>> Not only does the Moon effect the Earth, but this example

> alone...shows that

>> the effects are unique and particular too.

>>

>> Then, there's the Sun...which all the news stations announced we

> should be

>> aware because a certain Sun spot that was erupting would soon be

> arriving and

>> hitting our Earth and previous experience has shown that these

> phenomena

>> disturb communications satellites and even cable and

> communications locally.

>>

>> Now, I do understand your question though in terms of other

> Stars...which are

>> literally billions and trillions of miles away.

>>

>> One day I came across an Astronomy book that talked about the main

> star

>> Antares that's a red giant in the Sign of Scorpio which indeed, is

> in our

>> Astrological loop. Well, it made the point that it's soooo

> huge... that

>> literally millions of our Sun's would fit within it's

> circumference. In fact,

>> it's so big that you'd have to visualize the space between the

> Sun..and the

>> Planet Mars.. to be able to conceive about how big it is.

>>

>> I thought, well no wonder every month when the Moon moves into

> Scorpio...no

>> wonder that we can feel it.

>>

>> And that gets to my next point.

>>

>> There is much that we don't understand about life. But, one thing

> I know for

>> sure, Reality is much more strange and beautiful .... vast ...then

> we have any

>> idea.

>>

>> The other thing I've done for over 16 years...is I've

> studied...the Jyotish/

>> the transits of each and every day.

>>

>> This research...which anyone can follow...so vividly...shows...how

> real the

>> predictable effects are according to Jyotish...and though we may

> not quite no

>> the mechanism... how these results come to us... but we can verify

> their

>> validity.

>>

>>>

>>> There is nothing on these planets except dust and/or thick

> sheets of

>>> ice. How can these have ANY effect on a human being?

>>>

>>> How can chanting mantras have any effect on a planet millions of

>>> miles away.

>>

>> When we do anything of a remedial measure in hope's of improving

> the quality

>> or strength of any Astrological planet...

>>

>> You have to remember.... this Astrological symbolism of the

> Planets... is not

>> supposed...

>> to move or effect this huge body outside of our Self...

>>

>> but to change and improve something about ourselves!

>>

>> The Planets and their Astrological symbolisms.... refer to us!

>>

>> The Sun...represents our Self.....!...

>>

>> The Moon represents our feeling ....self....

>>

>> When we talk about the Moon... being out there...and having a

> relationship

>> with in here!

>>

>> This means...that the Moon...is symbolic as well as literal,

> physical

>> effecting...us....

>>

>> The Moon stands for our 'feeling nature'...and the idea is very

> simple...

>>

>> that the picture of the Moon on the exact day of our birth...is

>> representative...of the status,

>> strenghth and even quality...of our emotional nature.

>>

>> This 'idea' in Jyotish would be very easy to test. Make a

> list/group of

>> 1,000 individuals.

>>

>> Give them a battery of common, modern psychological questions

> related to

>> emotional stability,

>> and we'll see an amazing correlation between their answers and

> their real

>> emotional strength, and the Moons in their birth charts.

>>

>>

>> Most mantras involve making ridiculous sounds from one's

>>> mouth while sitting in front of a picture or a stone idol?

>>

>> Obviously here, you are just ignorant of the powerful and very

> real, positive

>> effects of

>> Vedic mantras. Anyone who's ever experienced meditation using

> mantras will

>> tell you

>> they have very real and powerful effects.

>>

>> Also, if there's any area of Vedic wisdom that's been the most

> powerfully

>> studied according to modern science, it's in the area of mantra

> repetition and

>> meditation.

>>

>> check out, there are over 550 scientific studies that have been

> done, by very

>> reputable, independent scientific groups and published in the best

> journals in

>> the world, from Scientific American to Science magazine...on and

> on...

>>

>> And these show the power of mantra meditation to make tremendous,

> powerful

>> changes in

>> human physiology, lowering high blood pressure, to reducing

> stress, and even

>> Psychological changes, and even IQ...is improved though this is a

> benfit that

>> comes from slightly longer duration of mantra practice.

>>

>>

>> These

>>> planets appear human like in the pictures(Rahu with a Black,

> angry

>>> face and big moustche, Jupiter with a handsom face with no

> moustace--

>>> does this mean Jupiter shaves and Rahu doesn't?). Why don't we

>>> worship before a REAL picture of Jupiter or Saturn where they

> look

>>> ROUND with astroid mark all over them.

>>>

>>> How about real pictures of Rahu and Ketu??? Well, Rahu and Ketu

>>> are "pretend planets" so they won't have a real picture. And, if

> R&K

>>> are "pretend planets," then why do they have a Mahadasa? -- Do

> you

>>> guys realize how irrational this sound?

>>>

>>> How can wearing planetary stones have any effect on one's life

> or how

>>> can it affect the planet itself?????

>>

>> Again, have you ever had any experience with these things?

>>

>> Many millions of people for centuries..have documented by there

> personal

>> experiences...

>> the beneficial effects of things like gems.

>>

>> Personally, I don't think gems are as powerful as some jyotish

> remedies but

>> still they're

>> very real.

>>

>>

>>

>> Do you realize how ridiculous

>>> the planetary stones are???? Jupiter looks yellowish red from

> Earth,

>>> but the acutal color of Jupiter is same as the color of dust in

> any

>>> other planet SO why is a YELLOW stone prescribed to FIX Jupiter

>>> problems when the REAL color of Jupite isn't really yellow?

>>>

>>> Moon just appears WHITE, but the real color of MOON is brown so

> why

>>> is a white pearl prescribed to FIX Moon problems, why isn't a

> BROWN

>>> colored stone worn for Moon when Brown is its real color?

>>>

>>> How about the deaded sade-sati? How can world's 3/12 population

> just

>>> began to have the wrost time of their life ALL AT THE SAME TIME?

>>

>> Sade sat doesn't mean everyone at the same time. But, if you

> watch the Moon,

>> especially in terms of the Transits...

>> you'd know that Saturn, for example has an extraordinary effect on

> the human

>> heart

>> and feeling nature...(ie the Moon).

>>

>> I can send you dozens of my students who individually can verify

> these

>> experiences...

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> And

>>> how can wearing of an iron ring or making ridiculous sounding

> noises

>>> from one's mouth in form of mantras APEASE an INANIMATE planet

> of

>>> dust and ice a million light years away?

>>

>> Don't forget the remedial measures...aren't meant to try and

> effect a

>> celestial body..

>> out there...

>>

>> but ...the nature of ourselves...inside,...here...

>>

>> But, this symbolism of Astrology.... that 'we' are made up out of

> Star

>> stuff...

>>

>> That we, all have a nature...that Astrology quite nicely

> captures...

>> speaks to the very heart of Astorlogy.

>>

>> I'm writing a book right now on Astrology...and the main aspect of

> this book

>> is that

>> there is an amazing correlation between the symbolisms....of

> Astrology...

>> and the very real and undeniable nature of individuals...

>>

>> I'd challenge you to any test...regarding this...

>>

>> Put together a list of 10, 100 or 1,000 people and any good

> Jyotish Astrologer

>> will be able to guess what their human nature is like!

>>

>>

>>

>>>

>>> Planets control nothing, planets harms nobody, planets help

> nobody.

>>> And, it they do then how are we going to account for millions

> and

>>> millions of other planets (in addition to the 7 known)in the

> galaxy.

>>>

>>> And, Moon isn't even a planet, it is a sattelite of the Earth.

> And,

>>> how about the satellites of Jupiter--lots of them? Which Gods do

> they

>>> represent? are they malefic or benefic?

>>>

>>> So people, forget this mumbo-jumbo about planet controlling your

>>> live. You are the maker and the breaker of your own destiny--

> work

>>> hard, live righteous and forget about these planets and

> Jyothishas.

>>

>> Now, finally, we can find something to agree about...

>>

>> We are the makers and creators of our destiny! and our fates...

>>

>> So, yes, go for it!... But, that doesn't mean that we can't take

> advantage

>> of the tremendous wisdom that's there to help us...

>> especially if we're in an area of our life that's challenging us

> and we're at

>> lost quite

>> how to understand...

>>

>> I love the great Swami Yogananda's expression about Jyotish.

>>

>> Though he liked it and appreciated it's power...he was of the

> Consciousness

>> approach

>> to Vedic knowledge...and said:

>>

>> "Find me the worst day in this year, according to my chart...and I

> will

>> accomplish anything

>> on that day!"

>>

>> I agree with that... though this is more shows the huge potential

> of

>> Consciounsess...

>> to transcend...the influences of one's past....

>>

>> and rise to a level of human dignity and potential...which is

> greatly hinted

>> at by Vedic Wisdom!

>>

>> take care

>>

>>

>> Mark Kincaid

>>

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