Clarification about planets in conjunction, graha yuddha and exchange of roles

February 8, 2004

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

I understand that

If a planet is associated with an inimical planet, planetary war occurs and

enmity increases during its dasa period. Planet with higher longitude is

victorious even if debilitated.

Some of the astrological sites mention about planet with lower longitude being

victorious. I shall appreciate if learned members can clarify. Also how close

should the planets be for graha yudhha to take place? How do the planets

perform in case of graha yuddha, does the losing planet behave like the winning

planet, during dasa periods only? Is there any role interchange?

Kind regards

Ramesh

February 9, 2004

`` A BIRD IN HANDS WORTH TWO IN THE BUSH "

Dear Shri. Ramesh,

Your understanding is completely WORNG. If you have a desire to learn, make a

direct request to Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, who has developed software with

provisions to determine the strengths of the planets, improved the version more

than twice, generously gave it freely to the Astrological community / students

of Astrology who are in pursuit of Knowledge. Who else could teach you better?

While being member of a group Administered by Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Raoji

With regards,

D.SathiyanarayanaGupta..Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com> wrote:

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

I understand that

If a planet is associated with an inimical planet, planetary war occurs and

enmity increases during its dasa period. Planet with higher longitude is

victorious even if debilitated.

Some of the astrological sites mention about planet with lower longitude being

victorious. I shall appreciate if learned members can clarify. Also how close

should the planets be for graha yudhha to take place? How do the planets

perform in case of graha yuddha, does the losing planet behave like the winning

planet, during dasa periods only? Is there any role interchange?

Kind regards

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February 9, 2004

Mr. Gupta,

Mr. Gargaramani has been an esteemed member of this forum, and an advanced

student, as well, for a long time. We all ask questions and expect answers, the

roles change all the time. I am surprised by the tone you used in addressing Mr.

Gangaramani- if unable to give info, no problem- but to behave in such a

condenscending way is unacceptable.

Your apology to Mr. Gangaramani, would be highly appreciated on this forum

As for your questions, dear Ramesh,

planetary war does occur when conjunction is close. We hardly ever hear that

term here, on this forum, but many Jyotish texts / and Jyotishi/ use it.

As you could have seen from recent posts, planets in conjunction tend to play

each others role- /no matter who wins the planetary war- winner in planeraty

war decides on strnght of the planets and the chart, and is useful information

in chart interpretaion. Orb of planets given /for planeraty war to occur/ vaty,

but I would suggest the close orb- 7-8 degrees.

Warmest wishes,

Anna

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 > wrote:

`` A BIRD IN HANDS WORTH TWO IN THE BUSH "

Dear Shri. Ramesh,

Your understanding is completely WORNG. If you have a desire to learn, make a

direct request to Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, who has developed software with

provisions to determine the strengths of the planets, improved the version more

than twice, generously gave it freely to the Astrological community / students

of Astrology who are in pursuit of Knowledge. Who else could teach you better?

While being member of a group Administered by Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Raoji

With regards,

D.SathiyanarayanaGupta..Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com> wrote:

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

I understand that

If a planet is associated with an inimical planet, planetary war occurs and

enmity increases during its dasa period. Planet with higher longitude is

victorious even if debilitated.

Some of the astrological sites mention about planet with lower longitude being

victorious. I shall appreciate if learned members can clarify. Also how close

should the planets be for graha yudhha to take place? How do the planets

perform in case of graha yuddha, does the losing planet behave like the winning

planet, during dasa periods only? Is there any role interchange?

Kind regards

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February 10, 2004

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

Dear Shri Gupta,

It is likely that my understanding is incorrect and hence I sent in this mail

also with an intention to get clarification. While I would love to see Shri

Narasimha responding, I would welcome comment from any one who can help me in

clearing my doubt.

Kind regards

Ramesh

Sathiyanarayana Gupta

[gupta816 ]Tuesday, February 10, 2004 3:02 AMRamesh

Gangaramani; vedic astrologyRe: [vedic astrology] Clarification about

planets in conjunction, graha yuddha and exchange of roles

`` A BIRD IN HANDS WORTH TWO IN THE BUSH "

Dear Shri. Ramesh,

Your understanding is completely WORNG. If you have a desire to learn, make a

direct request to Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, who has developed software with

provisions to determine the strengths of the planets, improved the version more

than twice, generously gave it freely to the Astrological community / students

of Astrology who are in pursuit of Knowledge. Who else could teach you better?

While being member of a group Administered by Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Raoji

With regards,

D.SathiyanarayanaGupta..Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com> wrote:

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

I understand that

If a planet is associated with an inimical planet, planetary war occurs and

enmity increases during its dasa period. Planet with higher longitude is

victorious even if debilitated.

Some of the astrological sites mention about planet with lower longitude being

victorious. I shall appreciate if learned members can clarify. Also how close

should the planets be for graha yudhha to take place? How do the planets

perform in case of graha yuddha, does the losing planet behave like the winning

planet, during dasa periods only? Is there any role interchange?

Kind regards

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February 10, 2004

Dear Ramesh,

As you know It's not fortunate to have Mars and Saturn in the same house, even

more so if they are close- they are bitter enemies- as you've read recently,

Sanjay said that YK Mars, lord of 9th-Luck with Saturn is 'bad luck' yoga. Mars

is both bahakesh and YK for leo Lagna /recent discussion on Varahamihira List

can also clarify some of your doubts/- it is also important in which house this

conjunction occurs, and relative strength of each planet.

My opinion is that Saturn cannot express fully Mars' YK promises, and that they

are hurt by contact with Saturn. Thus, no literal 'exchange' can be expected.

Mars as a functional benefic will be harmed the most- and will bring Sa

challenges and problems instead of 'blessings'. And if any 'blessings' come

from Sa, it's in it's own way, thus not easy and 'cheerful'- the point I want

to get across is that neither of planets in exchange can change their basic

nature- Saturn reduces, always, and is not a friend of Leo Lagna, so that

should be kept in mind, too.

You asked for other implications of loosing pl. war- and as you may guess, areas

ruled by the planet involved will also suffer.

Normally I would consider Shadbala strength for any planet- but as an additional

weighting factor, not a decisive one.

Hope this answers your questions.

Anna

Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com> wrote:

Anna,

Thanks for clarification. Yes I have been going through the interesting exchange

on the VM site. The question that I still have is that if Saturn and Mars are

placed in the same house in close proximity for a Leo lagna and if Saturn

behaves like Mars (YK for Leo) would Mars behave like Saturn in its dasa? You

said the exchange of role happens regardless of who wins the graha yudhha.

Are there some other implications of graha yudhha? e.g. do the significations of

loosing planet get affected in some way?

Do Shadbala rupas account for reduction or enhancement of strength of such a

yudhha? I presume not. I guess I am making the most by asking as many questions

as I can.

Warm Regards

Ramesh

108ar [bona_mente ]Sent:

Tuesday, February 10, 2004 8:05 AMvedic astrologySubject:

Re: [vedic astrology] Clarification about planets in conjunction, graha yuddha

and exchange of roles

Mr. Gupta,

Mr. Gargaramani has been an esteemed member of this forum, and an advanced

student, as well, for a long time. We all ask questions and expect answers, the

roles change all the time. I am surprised by the tone you used in addressing Mr.

Gangaramani- if unable to give info, no problem- but to behave in such a

condenscending way is unacceptable.

Your apology to Mr. Gangaramani, would be highly appreciated on this forum

As for your questions, dear Ramesh,

planetary war does occur when conjunction is close. We hardly ever hear that

term here, on this forum, but many Jyotish texts / and Jyotishi/ use it.

As you could have seen from recent posts, planets in conjunction tend to play

each others role- /no matter who wins the planetary war- winner in planeraty

war decides on strnght of the planets and the chart, and is useful information

in chart interpretaion. Orb of planets given /for planeraty war to occur/ vaty,

but I would suggest the close orb- 7-8 degrees.

Warmest wishes,

Anna

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 > wrote:

`` A BIRD IN HANDS WORTH TWO IN THE BUSH "

Dear Shri. Ramesh,

Your understanding is completely WORNG. If you have a desire to learn, make a

direct request to Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, who has developed software with

provisions to determine the strengths of the planets, improved the version more

than twice, generously gave it freely to the Astrological community / students

of Astrology who are in pursuit of Knowledge. Who else could teach you better?

While being member of a group Administered by Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Raoji

With regards,

D.SathiyanarayanaGupta..Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com> wrote:

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

I understand that

If a planet is associated with an inimical planet, planetary war occurs and

enmity increases during its dasa period. Planet with higher longitude is

victorious even if debilitated.

Some of the astrological sites mention about planet with lower longitude being

victorious. I shall appreciate if learned members can clarify. Also how close

should the planets be for graha yudhha to take place? How do the planets

perform in case of graha yuddha, does the losing planet behave like the winning

planet, during dasa periods only? Is there any role interchange?

Kind regards

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February 10, 2004

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Thank you for this information- I haven't heard before- on North and South- wish

I knew more on this one. I first learned about planetary war from James Braha

/for reference: Indian A. for western astrologer/ where he made a very good

points on this issue.

Please let me add here to what I wrote to Ramesh: Mars/Saturn close conj. is a

special case, I think, because of their nature- like one leg on 'gass' one on

'brake'- no matter what other rules are applicable! I've found it to be the

'second worst' aspect after Mars square Saturn, which I've found to be the

worst of all /and no aspect btw. them is good either/- I'd like to hear about

your experience with this. How relevant is broad conjunction btw. Mars and Sa

in your opinion?

Thank you.

Best regards,

AnnaChandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Anna,I agree with your sentiments. If I may ad, Grahayuddha is said to have

occurred when planets occupy the same Rasi on identical degrees. The one to the

South is said to have lost the war but Venus is said to win whether to the

north or South. There are different interpretation of what is meant by North or

South.Regards,Chandrashekhar.108ar wrote:

Mr. Gupta,

Mr. Gargaramani has been an esteemed member of this forum, and an advanced

student, as well, for a long time. We all ask questions and expect answers, the

roles change all the time. I am surprised by the tone you used in addressing Mr.

Gangaramani- if unable to give info, no problem- but to behave in such a

condenscending way is unacceptable.

Your apology to Mr. Gangaramani, would be highly appreciated on this forum

As for your questions, dear Ramesh,

planetary war does occur when conjunction is close. We hardly ever hear that

term here, on this forum, but many Jyotish texts / and Jyotishi/ use it.

As you could have seen from recent posts, planets in conjunction tend to play

each others role- /no matter who wins the planetary war- winner in planeraty

war decides on strnght of the planets and the chart, and is useful information

in chart interpretaion. Orb of planets given /for planeraty war to occur/ vaty,

but I would suggest the close orb- 7-8 degrees.

Warmest wishes,

Anna

Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816 > wrote:

`` A BIRD IN HANDS WORTH TWO IN THE BUSH "

Dear Shri. Ramesh,

Your understanding is completely WORNG. If you have a desire to learn, make a

direct request to Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, who has developed software with

provisions to determine the strengths of the planets, improved the version more

than twice, generously gave it freely to the Astrological community / students

of Astrology who are in pursuit of Knowledge. Who else could teach you better?

While being member of a group Administered by Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Raoji

With regards,

D.SathiyanarayanaGupta..Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com> wrote:

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

I understand that

If a planet is associated with an inimical planet, planetary war occurs and

enmity increases during its dasa period. Planet with higher longitude is

victorious even if debilitated.

Some of the astrological sites mention about planet with lower longitude being

victorious. I shall appreciate if learned members can clarify. Also how close

should the planets be for graha yudhha to take place? How do the planets

perform in case of graha yuddha, does the losing planet behave like the winning

planet, during dasa periods only? Is there any role interchange?

Kind regards

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February 10, 2004

Dear Shri. Rameshji,

I have made a remark that your understanding is completely wrong for the reason

that you have narrated your reasoning as "If a planet is associated with an

inimical planet, planetary war occurs ". What I have learnt from my Gurujis,

added to my knowledge gained from Brahat Jatagha and Paladeepika, is that the

Planetary war occurs among all Thara planets and not among inimical planets

alone, when they are one over the other(excepting the Nodes, Sun and Moon).

Such a war would cause five types of Grha Yuddham viz., (1) Bedam (2) Ullegam

(3) Amsumardhami (4) Abhasavyam and (5) Yogadagam. You may agree that in any

war / Yuddham there would be looser / winner, here in the Grha Yuddham the

planet in the North is said to be victorious. You know very well that Marg /

Dikh / Rah are all imaginary, if that be the case how to differentiate the

planets in the Milkyway. One day I got the clue from a book named

Panchangakananam by Shri. Ponnusamy Pillai, an Astronamer cum Astrologer retired

from University of Madras, India, where in he has explained the directions of

all the Twenty-seven Nakshatras. Based on his explanations I used to identify

the victorious planets. I found this was more useful in solving puzzles

regarding Sanyasa yoga / Brijwa yoga. Instead of giving the above info, I have

suggested you to approach Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Raoji with an intention that I

could be also benefited with more light on the subject..

With regards,

D.SathiyanarayanaGupta.

Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com> wrote:

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

Dear Shri Gupta,

It is likely that my understanding is incorrect and hence I sent in this mail

also with an intention to get clarification. While I would love to see Shri

Narasimha responding, I would welcome comment from any one who can help me in

clearing my doubt.

Kind regards

Ramesh

Sathiyanarayana Gupta

[gupta816 ]Tuesday, February 10, 2004 3:02 AMRamesh

Gangaramani; vedic astrologyRe: [vedic astrology] Clarification about

planets in conjunction, graha yuddha and exchange of roles

`` A BIRD IN HANDS WORTH TWO IN THE BUSH "

Dear Shri. Ramesh,

Your understanding is completely WORNG. If you have a desire to learn, make a

direct request to Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Rao, who has developed software with

provisions to determine the strengths of the planets, improved the version more

than twice, generously gave it freely to the Astrological community / students

of Astrology who are in pursuit of Knowledge. Who else could teach you better?

While being member of a group Administered by Shri. P.V.R.Narasimha Raoji

With regards,

D.SathiyanarayanaGupta..Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani (AT) ae (DOT) york.com> wrote:

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

I understand that

If a planet is associated with an inimical planet, planetary war occurs and

enmity increases during its dasa period. Planet with higher longitude is

victorious even if debilitated.

Some of the astrological sites mention about planet with lower longitude being

victorious. I shall appreciate if learned members can clarify. Also how close

should the planets be for graha yudhha to take place? How do the planets

perform in case of graha yuddha, does the losing planet behave like the winning

planet, during dasa periods only? Is there any role interchange?

Kind regards

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February 10, 2004

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

Dear Shri Gupta,

Thank you for both your mails. You are obviously much ahead of me in your

knowledge and learning of astrology. Your earlier mail shows your magnanimity

and this one your commitment to spreading the knowledge.

Kind regards

Ramesh

Sathiyanarayana Gupta

[gupta816 ]Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:04 AMRamesh

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