2- & Mukund....2/5.... Free will, karma and moksha

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Dear Prashant,

 

Ah, I wish I was blessed with Jupiter and Saturn conjuction to

obtain the Brahma Yoga! My Saturn is in Jupiter's Rasi (Pisces), in

the 9th house of Dharma, so maybe I will have some slight glimpse of

this knowledge sometime in this lifetime! I hope so, I really hope

so.

 

That was a great link, thanks for sending it out.

 

Venkat

 

vedic astrology, prashant narang

<prashantnarang> wrote:

> dear mark,

> that was really wonderful !!

> those 3kind of karmas r drida(fixed), adridha(not fixed),

dridadrdha( semi fixed).

> jupiter & saturn conjunction makes brahma yoga which gives

knowledge of life /creation.

>

> & mukund , here is a link for u, this might b helpful

> http://spiritualseven.org/art_karma.htm

>

> regards

> prashant

>

> Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Mukund & All:

>

>

>

>

>

> Wow.... you're way jumping to the wrong conclusions here...

>

> Let me first say that you're mixing up destiny with something that

can't be

> changed. Even Vedic science...which comes from Lord Krishna..

>

> says...that there are basically 3 areas of karmas that can be

changed....

>

> Some that are more easy, others that are more difficult and still

others

> that are the most difficult.

>

> However,.... you make one good point that.... destiny doesn't mean

lack of

> free will.

>

> Destiny means karma that we've produced from the past.

>

> As such we're meant to understand and grow through and with our

past karmas

> to evolve in the present and the future.

>

> If there was no choice..there would be no joy, we would be like

robots...

>

> If you're going to define destiny as what happens...then nothing

can be

> changed... but... the whole universe is not the destiny of the

lord...

> he's not a slave to something...

>

> It came out beautifully.... profoundly wrapped in eternal freedom.

>

> Man, who was born in God's image, means...born with the ability to

reflect

> his own divine, Cosmic, enlightened...consciousness....

>

> and at every step along that path.... we have the potential to

express more

> and more freedom....of life...

>

> I think you're mixing up the will of God...destiny and man's will

and

> choices...

>

> What we are living...is both God's will and our will.

>

> It is 'we' who have chosen these actions and as a result produced

these

> consequences....

>

> God is within,...the ultimate source.... but... it's dangerous to

assume

> that God is the author...and we are not...

>

> God may be the ultimate source... but we are participating in that

adventure

> and karma is all about actions haveing been done in the past...

>

> go out into the universe....striking every bit of the

creation...and then

> coming back...

>

> We do have and it's very important that we view our choices as our

choices.

>

> We need to take responsibility..... and in responsibility we grasp

the power

> to make any change ...that is possible.

>

> In the west we say, after Lord Christ... if your faith was as

great as you

> bunyan seed.... you could move mountains...

>

> Well, in the east they have similar expressions....

>

> That man's Consciounsess is indeed unbounded...

> and the more that we reflect that unbounded potential of

consciounsess...

> we will gain the ability...

> to do anything, to accomplish everything...

>

> We should think how great is a man's nature and potential...and

not limit

> ourselves or our thinkings...as we're understanding...

> the power of destiny or fate...

>

> And finally....Saturn rules our fate or destiny....

> and yet...

> Jupiter rules faith and freedom....

>

>

> Both planets together...make life...

>

>

>

> take care

>

>

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

>

> > "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

> > Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:59:01 -0000

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Free will, karma and moksha

> >

> > Hello Siva:

> >

> > I've asked these same questions over and over and over again and

> > yours is the best reply I've ever received.

> >

> > No Jyotisha can make a prediction, if they can, itdefeats the

purpose

> > of destiny created by Lord Brahma (the creator) when we're born.

> >

> > Even if some Jyotisha makes a prediction, theprediction itself

cannot

> > CHANGE the destiny nor the actual manifestation destiny of that

> > individual as only Lord Vishnu/Krishna (the operator) can decide

how

> > the destiny will manifest itself through ourmundane lives.

> >

> > And, even if some Jyotisha figured out a way to change destiny or

> > change the means by with destiny manifest itself, NO Jyotisha can

> > change the will of Lord Mahesh/Siva (the destroyer) as ALL living

> > beings have to die/destruct and the cycle of life and birth

continues.

> >

> > To conclude, Jyotish CANNOT change the destiny of a person AND

> > Jyotish CANNOT change the way destiny manifest itself.

> >

> > It is useless to run after Jyotishs and "Godmen/Godwomen" as it

> > accomplishes NOTHING except temorary hopes of "raj yog" and "this

> > yog" and "that yog" that thes Jyothish/Godmen/women predict until

> > the individual realizes that destiny is unpredictable and EVEN

MORE,

> > if destiny could be predicted, it cannot be changed.

> >

> > So people, forget all this mumbo-jumbo about navamsha chart, hora

> > chart, trishamsa chart, this chart, that chart and all the

million

> > other charts that these Jyotish invent as these charts CHANGE

NOTHING.

> >

> > Lord Krishna told us to perform righteous karma in fulfilling our

> > dharma towards our spouses, kids, parents, society, etc. and

that is

> > all that we need to do--perform righteous Karma to fulfill our

dharma

> > AND forget all these Jyotishis and God-people.

> >

> > Mukund

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "schinnas"

<schinnas>

> > wrote:

> >> Dear Sharada-ji,

> >>

> >> Though this question is not for me, let me venture in with my

> >> opinions.

> >>

> >> Questions (1), (2) and (3) can (and should) be properly

explained

> >> only by self-realized a.k.a Sat Gurus. If you cannot find one in

> >> person, you should read books by one. You can try books in plain

> >> language from the Maths of Bagavan Ramana Maharishi, Ramakrishna

> >> Paramahamsa, Mahavatar Babaji, Divine Life Society (Swami

> >> Sivananda), Sringeri or Kanchi math, etc. There are many living

> >> SatGurus in India (and probably elsewhere in the world aswell),

and

> >> if your desire for SatGuru is deep enough, you will

automatically

> >> find a Guru either in person or through His' teachings.

> >>

> >> Jyotish (astrology) is an apara-vidya like ayurveda (medicine)

or

> >> Vyakarana (grammer). Jyotish is mundane knowledge - not the

> >> transendental knowledge of Self and may not even be needed for

> >> anyone that surrenders oneself totally to God. However, Jyotish

> > does

> >> have its own application in life as any other apara-vidya.

> >>

> >> For one indulging in agamic (ritualistic) worship and performing

> >> vedic karmas, knowledge of Jyotish is needed to perform the

various

> >> pujas/rituals at the appropriate time.

> >>

> >> regards,

> >> -Siva.

> >>

> >> vedic astrology, "shar1904"

<shar1904>

> >> wrote:

> >>> Dear Narasimha Rao ji/ Pt. Sanjay Rath ji,

> >>>

> >>> I read the article on Chara karaka(Sanjay Rath) on this site

and

> >> have

> >>> a few questions related to it. Could you please help?

> >>>

> >>> 1. Is the exercise of Free will the main cause of karma and

human

> >>> suffering ?

> >>> 2. Can one attain moksha faster by surrendering one's free will

> >> and

> >>> submitting to divine will?

> >>> 3. How do you put (2) into actual practice? We have to make

> >> decisions

> >>> everyday. Is it really possible to give up free will?

> >>> 4. If (2) and (3) are indeed possible, what is the relevance of

> >>> jyotish as a science in this context?

> >>>

> >>> Thank you for your time.

> >>> Sharada.

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