2- & Chandrashekhar....2/5....re...... Extremely confused about a basic astrology question

February 5, 2004

Dear Chandrashekhar & All:

I'd like to share one particular though in regards to studying Jyotish.

Jyotish is as complex as the Universe.

In other words, it can be that complex. But, I'd suggest you approach in

more simple ways, especially in the beginning.

That way you develop a firm, solid foundation and don't get yourself all

confused.

It reminds me of when I used to study Mathemathics. Math, is extremely

comples too. But, I learned when I was very yound to just take it step at a

time and as I really mastered the first step...then move into the next.

Now, when studying Jyotish, another thing I'd recomend...and that is to

first start from what you know.

Especially at the beginning, what we know re. Jyotish is the least, but what

we do know is something about ourselves...

So, I recomend to people, to first make an exchaustive, very detailed list

of what you know about yourself...

Your qualities,

tendencies,

characteristics...

then branch off into your relationships with others...

how many brothers and sisters you have...

what kinds of subjects did you like in school...

what kind of career are you in...

whatever...and everything...

this is who you are!

And if you study your jyotish from this point of view...you'll more easily

find the literal '1 to 1 correspondence' between you...and your jyotish..

then as you get more and more 'sure' of your jyotish, you'll be able to

branch out into this advanced or that advanced topic.

hope this helps...

ciao

Sincerely,

Mark Kincaid

PS....I don't know if you've heard, but I also write a Jyotish newsletter.

It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as well as other aspects of Jyotish

as well. If you, or anyone else in this group is interested, in

subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at: m.kincaid And

the newsletter is free.

> Chandrashekhar <boxdel

> Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:26:12 +0530

> kanwarpreet_grewal <kanwarpreet_grewal

> Cc: vedic astrology

> Re: [vedic astrology] Extremely confused about a basic astrology

> question

>

> Dear Kanwar,

> Astrology learning is a difficult process, but one can learn with

> perseverance. You have to understand that it is not possible to reduce

> assessment of nature of planets to a set mathematical formula.

> If you try to fathom the meaning behind the written words, you will have

> better success. Understand that planets have some innate nature which is

> referred to as the Natural beneficence/Malfeasance. Again planets behave

> in particular way due to their relation with the Ascendant, by reason of

> their house ownership, which is referred to as the functional nature of

> the planet.

> The results are combination of the two factors. Here one has to use

> one's sense of proportion to arrive at the correct interpretation. This

> is achieved by working on numerous charts and is a lengthy process no

> doubt. The time taken to learn astrology depends on one's own chart too.

> Mastering it is something that depends on the goal one has set for

> himself. Some like me think that they are still at the stage of a

> student after more than 40 years of studying it, and have understood

> only a tiny bit of all the vast knowledge that makes up Astrology as a

> whole. Remember that Astrology consists of three Pillars, Ganita,

> Samhita and Hora and true Triskanda Jyotishis are a rarity.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> kanwarpreet_grewal wrote:

>

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> I have been reading various books and I am unable to move

>> beyond the benefic/malefic analysis of planets. I am on the

>> verge of giving up astrology because of its vagueness. This

>> is probably my final attempt at this question:

>>

>> When we analyse a planet 's benefic and malefic nature

>> what are the factors to look at?

>>

>> In one book it says that Functional nature is the final

>> thing. So if taurus is 8 th and 11th lord of taurus lagana then

>> it is a malefic.

>>

>> Another book ( B.V Raman's 300 important combination) says

>> that the analys is based on functional nautre, whether it is

>> placed in a friendly house, if it has benefic aspects etc. So

>> we give +1 point for functional benefic and -1 for FM. We give

>> +1 if planet is exalted or in friendly house and -1 if deblitated

>> or enemy house etc. We add all these numbers and the +ve or -ve

>> result at the end is the final decider of benefic/melefic nature.

>>

>> Another book ( By Rayudu) has more factors to consider.

>> If a planet is exalted it gets +3 ( Raman gave it +1 ), if a

>> planet is vargottama it gets +3. If a benefic is placed in

>> 6th,8th,12th it gets -2 etc etc.

>>

>> The more I read the more I get confused.

>>

>> So my question to this forum is:

>>

>> PLease Please tell me how to analyse the true malefic/benefic

>> nature of a planet in a chart.

>>

>> Or I might just give up the study of astrology as a subject

>> that has too much vagueness and too little science.

>>

>> kanwar

>>

>> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>>

>> * Sponsor*

>>

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>> eb/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1075881462/A=1950447/R=0/*http://ashnin.com/clk/muryut

>> aitakenattogyo?YH=4464812&yhad=1950447>

>>

>> ------

>> * Links*

>>

>> *

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>>

>> *

>> vedic astrology

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>>

>> * Terms of

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>>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> Links

>

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>

> vedic astrology

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> Your

>

February 5, 2004

Dear Mark,

Perhaps you have never read my previous postings. I have always

advocated that one should get his basics right if one has to learn

Jyotish. Or perhaps your mail is addressed to some other Chandrashekhar.

Chandrashekhar.

Mark Kincaid wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekhar & All:

>

> I'd like to share one particular though in regards to studying Jyotish.

>

> Jyotish is as complex as the Universe.

>

> In other words, it can be that complex. But, I'd suggest you approach in

> more simple ways, especially in the beginning.

>

> That way you develop a firm, solid foundation and don't get yourself all

> confused.

>

> It reminds me of when I used to study Mathemathics. Math, is extremely

> comples too. But, I learned when I was very yound to just take it

> step at a

> time and as I really mastered the first step...then move into the next.

>

> Now, when studying Jyotish, another thing I'd recomend...and that is to

> first start from what you know.

>

> Especially at the beginning, what we know re. Jyotish is the least,

> but what

> we do know is something about ourselves...

>

> So, I recomend to people, to first make an exchaustive, very detailed list

> of what you know about yourself...

>

> Your qualities,

> tendencies,

> characteristics...

> then branch off into your relationships with others...

> how many brothers and sisters you have...

> what kinds of subjects did you like in school...

> what kind of career are you in...

> whatever...and everything...

>

> this is who you are!

>

> And if you study your jyotish from this point of view...you'll more easily

> find the literal '1 to 1 correspondence' between you...and your jyotish..

>

> then as you get more and more 'sure' of your jyotish, you'll be able to

> branch out into this advanced or that advanced topic.

>

> hope this helps...

>

> ciao

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

> PS....I don't know if you've heard, but I also write a Jyotish newsletter.

> It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as well as other aspects of

> Jyotish

> as well. If you, or anyone else in this group is interested, in

> subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at:

> m.kincaid And

> the newsletter is free.

>

> > Chandrashekhar <boxdel

> > Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:26:12 +0530

> > kanwarpreet_grewal <kanwarpreet_grewal

> > Cc: vedic astrology

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Extremely confused about a basic

> astrology

> > question

> >

> > Dear Kanwar,

> > Astrology learning is a difficult process, but one can learn with

> > perseverance. You have to understand that it is not possible to reduce

> > assessment of nature of planets to a set mathematical formula.

> > If you try to fathom the meaning behind the written words, you will have

> > better success. Understand that planets have some innate nature which is

> > referred to as the Natural beneficence/Malfeasance. Again planets behave

> > in particular way due to their relation with the Ascendant, by reason of

> > their house ownership, which is referred to as the functional nature of

> > the planet.

> > The results are combination of the two factors. Here one has to use

> > one's sense of proportion to arrive at the correct interpretation. This

> > is achieved by working on numerous charts and is a lengthy process no

> > doubt. The time taken to learn astrology depends on one's own chart too.

> > Mastering it is something that depends on the goal one has set for

> > himself. Some like me think that they are still at the stage of a

> > student after more than 40 years of studying it, and have understood

> > only a tiny bit of all the vast knowledge that makes up Astrology as a

> > whole. Remember that Astrology consists of three Pillars, Ganita,

> > Samhita and Hora and true Triskanda Jyotishis are a rarity.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > kanwarpreet_grewal wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> Hi,

> >>

> >> I have been reading various books and I am unable to move

> >> beyond the benefic/malefic analysis of planets. I am on the

> >> verge of giving up astrology because of its vagueness. This

> >> is probably my final attempt at this question:

> >>

> >> When we analyse a planet 's benefic and malefic nature

> >> what are the factors to look at?

> >>

> >> In one book it says that Functional nature is the final

> >> thing. So if taurus is 8 th and 11th lord of taurus lagana then

> >> it is a malefic.

> >>

> >> Another book ( B.V Raman's 300 important combination) says

> >> that the analys is based on functional nautre, whether it is

> >> placed in a friendly house, if it has benefic aspects etc. So

> >> we give +1 point for functional benefic and -1 for FM. We give

> >> +1 if planet is exalted or in friendly house and -1 if deblitated

> >> or enemy house etc. We add all these numbers and the +ve or -ve

> >> result at the end is the final decider of benefic/melefic nature.

> >>

> >> Another book ( By Rayudu) has more factors to consider.

> >> If a planet is exalted it gets +3 ( Raman gave it +1 ), if a

> >> planet is vargottama it gets +3. If a benefic is placed in

> >> 6th,8th,12th it gets -2 etc etc.

> >>

> >> The more I read the more I get confused.

> >>

> >> So my question to this forum is:

> >>

> >> PLease Please tell me how to analyse the true malefic/benefic

> >> nature of a planet in a chart.

> >>

> >> Or I might just give up the study of astrology as a subject

> >> that has too much vagueness and too little science.

> >>

> >> kanwar

> >>

> >> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >>

> >> * Sponsor*

> >>

> <http://rd./SIG=12cd682gb/M=268585.4464812.5643763.1261774/D=egroupw

> >>

> eb/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1075881462/A=1950447/R=0/*http://ashnin.com/clk/muryut

> >> aitakenattogyo?YH=4464812&yhad=1950447>

> >>

> ------

> >> * Links*

> >>

> >> *

> >> vedic astrology/

> >>

> >> *

> >> vedic astrology

> >>

> <vedic astrology?subject=Un>

> >>

> >> * Terms of

> >> Service <>.

> >>

> >

> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> > Links

> >

> > vedic astrology/

> >

> > vedic astrology

> >

> > Your

> >

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> ------

> * Links*

>

> *

> vedic astrology/

>

> *

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology?subject=Un>

>

> * Terms of

> Service <>.

>

February 6, 2004

dear mark

chandershekarji is guru on the list and his knowledge is

strong .. maybe u misread /misunderstood his mail

ajoyp.

ps...my earlier post went directly to chandershekarji---the moderator

needs to look into the matter-

-- In vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Mark,

> Perhaps you have never read my previous postings. I have always

> advocated that one should get his basics right if one has to learn

> Jyotish. Or perhaps your mail is addressed to some other

Chandrashekhar.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Mark Kincaid wrote:

>

> > Dear Chandrashekhar & All:

> >

> > I'd like to share one particular though in regards to studying

Jyotish.

> >

> > Jyotish is as complex as the Universe.

> >

> > In other words, it can be that complex. But, I'd suggest you

approach in

> > more simple ways, especially in the beginning.

> >

> > That way you develop a firm, solid foundation and don't get

yourself all

> > confused.

> >

> > It reminds me of when I used to study Mathemathics. Math, is

extremely

> > comples too. But, I learned when I was very yound to just take

it

> > step at a

> > time and as I really mastered the first step...then move into

the next.

> >

> > Now, when studying Jyotish, another thing I'd recomend...and that

is to

> > first start from what you know.

> >

> > Especially at the beginning, what we know re. Jyotish is the

least,

> > but what

> > we do know is something about ourselves...

> >

> > So, I recomend to people, to first make an exchaustive, very

detailed list

> > of what you know about yourself...

> >

> > Your qualities,

> > tendencies,

> > characteristics...

> > then branch off into your relationships with others...

> > how many brothers and sisters you have...

> > what kinds of subjects did you like in school...

> > what kind of career are you in...

> > whatever...and everything...

> >

> > this is who you are!

> >

> > And if you study your jyotish from this point of view...you'll

more easily

> > find the literal '1 to 1 correspondence' between you...and your

jyotish..

> >

> > then as you get more and more 'sure' of your jyotish, you'll be

able to

> > branch out into this advanced or that advanced topic.

> >

> > hope this helps...

> >

> > ciao

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Mark Kincaid

> >

> > PS....I don't know if you've heard, but I also write a Jyotish

newsletter.

> > It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as well as other aspects

of

> > Jyotish

> > as well. If you, or anyone else in this group is interested, in

> > subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at:

> > m.kincaid@m... And

> > the newsletter is free.

> >

> > > Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

> > > Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:26:12 +0530

> > > kanwarpreet_grewal <kanwarpreet_grewal>

> > > Cc: vedic astrology

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Extremely confused about a basic

> > astrology

> > > question

> > >

> > > Dear Kanwar,

> > > Astrology learning is a difficult process, but one can learn

with

> > > perseverance. You have to understand that it is not possible to

reduce

> > > assessment of nature of planets to a set mathematical formula.

> > > If you try to fathom the meaning behind the written words, you

will have

> > > better success. Understand that planets have some innate nature

which is

> > > referred to as the Natural beneficence/Malfeasance. Again

planets behave

> > > in particular way due to their relation with the Ascendant, by

reason of

> > > their house ownership, which is referred to as the functional

nature of

> > > the planet.

> > > The results are combination of the two factors. Here one has to

use

> > > one's sense of proportion to arrive at the correct

interpretation. This

> > > is achieved by working on numerous charts and is a lengthy

process no

> > > doubt. The time taken to learn astrology depends on one's own

chart too.

> > > Mastering it is something that depends on the goal one has set

for

> > > himself. Some like me think that they are still at the stage of

a

> > > student after more than 40 years of studying it, and have

understood

> > > only a tiny bit of all the vast knowledge that makes up

Astrology as a

> > > whole. Remember that Astrology consists of three Pillars,

Ganita,

> > > Samhita and Hora and true Triskanda Jyotishis are a rarity.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > kanwarpreet_grewal wrote:

> > >

> > >>

> > >> Hi,

> > >>

> > >> I have been reading various books and I am unable to move

> > >> beyond the benefic/malefic analysis of planets. I am on the

> > >> verge of giving up astrology because of its vagueness. This

> > >> is probably my final attempt at this question:

> > >>

> > >> When we analyse a planet 's benefic and malefic nature

> > >> what are the factors to look at?

> > >>

> > >> In one book it says that Functional nature is the final

> > >> thing. So if taurus is 8 th and 11th lord of taurus lagana then

> > >> it is a malefic.

> > >>

> > >> Another book ( B.V Raman's 300 important combination) says

> > >> that the analys is based on functional nautre, whether it is

> > >> placed in a friendly house, if it has benefic aspects etc. So

> > >> we give +1 point for functional benefic and -1 for FM. We give

> > >> +1 if planet is exalted or in friendly house and -1 if

deblitated

> > >> or enemy house etc. We add all these numbers and the +ve or -ve

> > >> result at the end is the final decider of benefic/melefic

nature.

> > >>

> > >> Another book ( By Rayudu) has more factors to consider.

> > >> If a planet is exalted it gets +3 ( Raman gave it +1 ), if a

> > >> planet is vargottama it gets +3. If a benefic is placed in

> > >> 6th,8th,12th it gets -2 etc etc.

> > >>

> > >> The more I read the more I get confused.

> > >>

> > >> So my question to this forum is:

> > >>

> > >> PLease Please tell me how to analyse the true malefic/benefic

> > >> nature of a planet in a chart.

> > >>

> > >> Or I might just give up the study of astrology as a subject

> > >> that has too much vagueness and too little science.

> > >>

> > >> kanwar

> > >>

> > >> Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> > >>

> > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> > >>

> > >> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> > >>

> > >> * Sponsor*

> > >>

> >

<http://rd./SIG=12cd682gb/M=268585.4464812.5643763.1261774/D=

egroupw

> > >>

> >

eb/S=1705082686:HM/EXP=1075881462/A=1950447/R=0/*http://ashnin.com/clk

/muryut

> > >> aitakenattogyo?YH=4464812&yhad=1950447>

> > >>

> >

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> > >>

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> > >>

> > >

> > > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

> > >

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> > >

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> > >

> > > vedic astrology/

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

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> > >

> >

> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

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