2- & Mukund....2/5.... Free will, karma and moksha

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dear mark,

that was really wonderful !!

those 3kind of karmas r drida(fixed), adridha(not fixed), dridadrdha( semi fixed).

jupiter & saturn conjunction makes brahma yoga which gives knowledge of life /creation.

 

& mukund , here is a link for u, this might b helpful

http://spiritualseven.org/art_karma.htm

 

regards

prashant

Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Mukund & All:Wow.... you're way jumping to the wrong conclusions here...Let

me first say that you're mixing up destiny with something that can't bechanged.

Even Vedic science...which comes from Lord Krishna..says...that there are

basically 3 areas of karmas that can be changed....Some that are more easy,

others that are more difficult and still othersthat are the most

difficult.However,.... you make one good point that.... destiny doesn't mean

lack offree will.Destiny means karma that we've produced from the past.As such

we're meant to understand and grow through and with our past karmasto evolve in

the present and the future.If there was no choice..there would be no joy, we

would be like robots...If you're going to define destiny as what happens...then

nothing

can bechanged... but... the whole universe is not the destiny of the lord...he's

not a slave to something...It came out beautifully.... profoundly wrapped in

eternal freedom.Man, who was born in God's image, means...born with the ability

to reflecthis own divine, Cosmic, enlightened...consciousness....and at every

step along that path.... we have the potential to express moreand more

freedom....of life...I think you're mixing up the will of God...destiny and

man's will andchoices...What we are living...is both God's will and our will.It

is 'we' who have chosen these actions and as a result produced

theseconsequences....God is within,...the ultimate source.... but... it's

dangerous to assumethat God is the author...and we are not...God may be the

ultimate source... but we are participating in that adventureand karma is all

about actions haveing been done in the past...go out into

the universe....striking every bit of the creation...and thencoming back...We do

have and it's very important that we view our choices as our choices.We need to

take responsibility..... and in responsibility we grasp the powerto make any

change ...that is possible.In the west we say, after Lord Christ... if your

faith was as great as youbunyan seed.... you could move mountains...Well, in

the east they have similar expressions....That man's Consciounsess is indeed

unbounded...and the more that we reflect that unbounded potential of

consciounsess...we will gain the ability...to do anything, to accomplish

everything...We should think how great is a man's nature and potential...and

not limitourselves or our thinkings...as we're understanding...the power of

destiny or fate...And finally....Saturn rules our fate or destiny....and

yet...Jupiter rules faith and freedom....Both planets

together...make life...take careMark Kincaid> "monmuk111"

<monmuk111 >> Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:59:01 -0000> To:

vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] Re: Free will,

karma and moksha> > Hello Siva:> > I've asked these same questions over and

over and over again and> yours is the best reply I've ever received.> > No

Jyotisha can make a prediction, if they can, itdefeats the purpose> of destiny

created by Lord Brahma (the creator) when we're born.> > Even if some Jyotisha

makes a prediction, theprediction itself cannot> CHANGE the destiny nor the

actual manifestation destiny of that> individual as only Lord Vishnu/Krishna

(the operator) can decide how> the destiny will manifest itself through

ourmundane lives.> > And, even if some Jyotisha

figured out a way to change destiny or> change the means by with destiny

manifest itself, NO Jyotisha can> change the will of Lord Mahesh/Siva (the

destroyer) as ALL living> beings have to die/destruct and the cycle of life and

birth continues.> > To conclude, Jyotish CANNOT change the destiny of a person

AND> Jyotish CANNOT change the way destiny manifest itself.> > It is useless to

run after Jyotishs and "Godmen/Godwomen" as it> accomplishes NOTHING except

temorary hopes of "raj yog" and "this> yog" and "that yog" that thes

Jyothish/Godmen/women predict until> the individual realizes that destiny is

unpredictable and EVEN MORE,> if destiny could be predicted, it cannot be

changed.> > So people, forget all this mumbo-jumbo about navamsha chart, hora>

chart, trishamsa chart, this chart, that chart and all the million> other

charts that these Jyotish invent as these charts

CHANGE NOTHING.> > Lord Krishna told us to perform righteous karma in fulfilling

our> dharma towards our spouses, kids, parents, society, etc. and that is> all

that we need to do--perform righteous Karma to fulfill our dharma> AND forget

all these Jyotishis and God-people.> > Mukund> > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, "schinnas" <schinnas>> wrote:>> Dear

Sharada-ji,>> >> Though this question is not for me, let me venture in with

my>> opinions.>> >> Questions (1), (2) and (3) can (and should) be properly

explained>> only by self-realized a.k.a Sat Gurus. If you cannot find one in>>

person, you should read books by one. You can try books in plain>> language

from the Maths of Bagavan Ramana Maharishi, Ramakrishna>> Paramahamsa,

Mahavatar Babaji, Divine Life Society

(Swami>> Sivananda), Sringeri or Kanchi math, etc. There are many living>>

SatGurus in India (and probably elsewhere in the world aswell), and>> if your

desire for SatGuru is deep enough, you will automatically>> find a Guru either

in person or through His' teachings.>> >> Jyotish (astrology) is an apara-vidya

like ayurveda (medicine) or>> Vyakarana (grammer). Jyotish is mundane knowledge

- not the>> transendental knowledge of Self and may not even be needed for>>

anyone that surrenders oneself totally to God. However, Jyotish> does >> have

its own application in life as any other apara-vidya.>> >> For one indulging in

agamic (ritualistic) worship and performing>> vedic karmas, knowledge of Jyotish

is needed to perform the various>> pujas/rituals at the appropriate time.>> >>

regards,>> -Siva.>>

>> vedic astrology, "shar1904" <shar1904>>>

wrote:>>> Dear Narasimha Rao ji/ Pt. Sanjay Rath ji,>>> >>> I read the article

on Chara karaka(Sanjay Rath) on this site and>> have >>> a few questions

related to it. Could you please help?>>> >>> 1. Is the exercise of Free will

the main cause of karma and human>>> suffering ?>>> 2. Can one attain moksha

faster by surrendering one's free will>> and >>> submitting to divine will?>>>

3. How do you put (2) into actual practice? We have to make>> decisions >>>

everyday. Is it really possible to give up free will?>>> 4. If (2) and (3) are

indeed possible, what is the relevance of>>> jyotish as a science in this

context?>>> >>> Thank you for your time.>>>

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