Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Dear List, What I have taken from YavanJataka on 'Sani Gochar' pretends to be complex and mind boggling, but if connect it with AshtakaVarga then the transit analysis become easy and comprehensible. In Ashtakavaraga, Sages provided a technique called, Kakshya and Prastaara Ashtakavarga. This needs to divide a sign into eight equal segments each of 3*45'. Every Kakshya(i.e. orbit or sub path) is ruled over a planet.(the Kakshya lordship of Grahas is a/c to their speed in ascending order) ------- No. Kakshya Range Kakshya Lord ------- 1st 00*00' to 03*45' Saturn 2nd 03*45' to 07*30' Jupiter 3rd 07*30' to 11*15' Mars 4th 11*15' to 15*00' Sun 5th 15*00' to 18*45' Venus 6th 18*45' to 22*30' Mercury 7th 22*30' to 26*15' Moon 8th 26*15' to 30*00' Lagna ------- This principle is useful specially, for slow-moving planets like Saturn and Jupiter, because they spend year(s) in a sign and result in significant changes in our lives. Determine movement of planet in Kakshya and consider transit with respect to natal position of planet-who is the Kakshya lord of transiting planet. That is if a transiting planet is between 0* to 3*45' then take natal Saturn as reference point; between 3*45' to 7*30' then take natal Jupiter as reference point; and so on upto 26*15' to 30*00' for natal Lagna as reference. Assume, Saturn as an example, now-a-days it is moving into Gemini. First find the transit of Saturn in eight Kakshya of Gemini. (Anil's VBA program "Event-Dasha-Transit" computes planetary movement along with Kakshya lord in the 'Ephemeris' page) Saturn entered (retrograde) into 4th Kakshya(11*15' to 15*00') of Gemini on 11-Jan-2004 and will remain till 1-May-2004. The 4th Kakshay is lorded by Sun. Now, during this period, the effect of Saturn's transit will be pronounced with respect to natal Sun. Consider Chart of Pakistan 14-August-1947 00:00:01 am (zone:5:30 East of GMT) Karachi ---------------------- Lagna 23 Ar 15' 48.58" Bhar 3 Ar Li Sun - AK 27 Cn 02' 03.44" Asre 4 Cn Pi Moon - PK 18 Ge 59' 09.02" Ardr 4 Ge Pi Mars - DK 6 Ge 48' 19.77" Ardr 1 Ge Sg Mercury - GK 11 Cn 54' 28.90" Push 3 Cn Li Jupiter - AmK 25 Li 47' 47.54" Visa 2 Li Ta Venus - MK 21 Cn 20' 20.34" Asre 2 Cn Cp Saturn - PiK 20 Cn 21' 10.75" Asre 2 Cn Cp Rahu - BK 5 Ta 07' 23.17" Krit 3 Ta Aq Ketu 5 Sc 07' 23.17" Anu 1 Sc Le Maandi 29 Ge 59' 09.27" Puna 3 Ge Ge Gulika 20 Ge 55' 33.83" Puna 1 Ge Ar Bhava Lagna 17 Ar 04' 35.30" Bhar 2 Ar Vi Hora Lagna 7 Cp 48' 51.41" USha 4 Cp Pi Ghati Lagna 10 Pi 01' 39.75" UBha 3 Pi Li Vighati Lagna 21 Cp 05' 41.42" Srav 4 Cp Cn Varnada Lagna 28 Ta 55' 20.01" Mrig 2 Ta Vi Sree Lagna 25 Pi 52' 52.24" Reva 3 Pi Aq ---------------------- We see, the natal Sun is into Cancer, and at present (11-Jan-2004 to 1-May-2004) the Saturn is transiting into Sun's Kakshya. Therefore the Shani will yield gochar phala with respect to Sun's natal position, here Gemini falls 12th from Cancer(natal Sun's placement) The results of Saturn's movement 12th from natal Sun is given as "loss of employment(karma)". The fact is Pakistan is facing charge of Nuclear technology trasformation to Iran and Libya. Agencies has been investigted, and yesterday, the famous atomic scientist and creator of Pakistan's Atom Bomb, Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan admitted the charge and was dismissed from his all-in-all post. The govt has to face opposition from political parties and critisim from media. This is a tough time to Govt(note the natural Karaka Sun). Now apart from it, we generally take, Natal Moon as reference point to judge gochar phala. Whatever be the transit effect w.r.t. Moon remains to all Kakshya i.e. whole sign, because Moon is mana-the decision maker of our toughts and actions. Some important predicting techniques. * The transit effect w.r.t to natal Moon dominates over all reference points (though Ascendant as reference point is preferred for mundane charts). The Kakshya technique is used to get detailed analysis. * The transit effect w.r.t to Karaka specifically good or bad for the matters ruled by Karaka. e.g. if a planet say Jupiter is good w.r.t. natal Venus then it brigns forth marriage or prosper spouse. * The transit effet w.r.t. to Dasa/Bhukti amplify the good/bad result. e.g. Dasa of Sun is operating, and if Mars is moving into Sun's Kakshya then good/bad phala of Sun's dasha is ampified because transits works as catalyst of DASA/BHUKTI. Similarly Dasa/Bhukti lord's transit w.r.t own natal position often gives pronounced effect. * The transit effect w.r.t. Lagna Lord(Paka Lagna) and Lagna lead to physical manifestination of gochar phala. Hope the above example may prove helpful in understanding transit. Regards M.IMRAN vedic astrology, 108ar <bona_mente> wrote: > Dear Imran, Rajesh, > I join Rajesh in appreciation of Imran's contribution in general, and in this particulat case, as well. > I always save Imran's posts as valuable references > besides, he seems to be postponing the process of wanishing the list /underway/.. > Thanks so much, > Anna > > "Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > Dear Imran > I really appreciate your efforts giving such a detailed descrition > about Saturn's transit effects. Infact your mail should be put in > archieves so that all members can benefit form your efforts. I was > aware of "Satrun's Vedhas: 3(12) 6(9) 11(5)" effects but forgot > to mention it, since I assumed people have standard texts. What I am > really surprized is that the combination of (mind boggling transits) > effects when one considers all the combinations i.e., Transit Saturn > in 12th from Natal Sun causes loss of employment, but if same saturn > is in 11th from natal Mars then it gives wealth...I think we need to > come up with some type of conclusion as to which natal planetary > combinations are to be considered in various antar-dasas or > prtyanatar-dasas ..one idea could be to just consider the MD/AD/PD > lords and saturn;s transit for deciding the effects on MD/AD/PD > levels? any ideas or recommendations in other standard texts > regarding this? > > I do not have all the books to reach conclusions here and hope the > learned members can help us here...similarly we need to reach > resoultions on Jupiter, Rahu and Ketu transits..the reson being that > these four planets have long transits through any sign and can affect > the AD status for long durations. > > Thanks and Regards > RMK > > > > vedic astrology, "Muhammad Imran" > <astroimran> wrote: > > Dear Rajesh, > > > > Here I would like to add few words in your nice delineation. > > > > *** Whenever Saturn changes its sign in transit, and at the same > > time if Maha Dasha is either starting or ending, the result will be > > much troublesome. This is specially inauspicious, when one is going > > through either SADE SATI, or Saturn enters into sensitive > nakshatras > > in transit, and Maha Dasa is changing. This situation, I have > > observed in so many cases. > > > > Another important point, is vedha(and virodh vedha), and latta, > i.e. > > cancellation of usual transit effect on account of another's > transit > > in certain houses. Saturn's vedha placements are identical to Mars > > and Nodes. > > > > Satrun's Vedhas: 3(12) 6(9) 11(5) > > > > That is, in general Saturn yields good results during transit into > > 3rd, 6th and 11th houses, but the good effect will be nullified > when > > any planet(except Sun)is moving into 12th, 9th and 5th respectively. > > For example, during these days, Saturn is moving into Gemini-3rd > > from Aries. But as Venus (during Feb-2004) is into Pisces (12th > from > > Aries) therefore the good results of 3rd Saturn transit is not > > achievable due to Venus for Aries natives. Since here vedha causing > > graha Venus stands for Women, Rajasic matters etc., therefore for > > Arians the good phala of 3rd Saturn transit will be obstructed by > > Women, Voyages, losses, expenditure, foreign homage, > hospitalization > > etc. The situation may vary, it may be due to wife hospitalization, > > vehicle snaching, expenditure on securing assests, hotel billing > > etc. The event though intense but will not be harmful as Venus is > > exalting here in Pisces-12th from Aries. > > > > Similarly, virodh vedha works in reverse order, i.e. 12th, 9th and > > 5th are amongst difficult Saturn transit placements. But it turns, > > when any planet(except Sun) is moving in 3rd, 6th, and 11th > > respectively. For example, now-a-days, natives having natal Moon > > into Cancer are in first phase of Sade Sati as Saturn is transiting > > in 12th to Cancer. But whenever any graha come into 6th from > Cancer, > > the bad transit result will be nulified. > > > > The YavanaJataka chapter 45 beautifully explains the impact of > > Saturn's movement with respect to (not only natal Moon, but also) > all > > natal planets and lagna. Which is nothing but Ashtakavarga Phala in > > detail. > > > > 1. Saturn's transit in its own place (i.e. over natal Saturn) > causes > > wounds from swords and diseases; in the second place (from natal > > Saturn) it takes away honor; in the third it overcomes sickness and > > one's enemies and produces status; in the fourth Saturn destroys > > good qualities and friendship; > > 2. in the fifth it gives sons and money; in the sixth Saturn > > produces position and wealth; in the seventh it causes wandering > and > > destroys one's wife; in the eighth it produces diseases, the > > destruction of wealth, and (the appearance of) enemies; > > 3. in the ninth Saturn destroys one's means of making money; in the > > tenth it takes away (the profit from) one's actions; in the > eleventh > > Saturn produces success in several pleasures and in wealth; and in > > the twelfth (from natal Saturn) wandering and fear. > > > > > > 4. Saturn in the place of the (natal) Sun, in transit, gives > > happiness, money, joy and pleasure; in the second (from natal Sun) > > wealth; in the third it destroys honor, beauty, and strength; in > the > > fourth it abets the happiness from one's relatives; > > 5. in the fifth Saturn produces sickness and anxiety about one's > > sons; in the sixth strife; in the seventh it gives happiness and > joy > > from one's wife; in the eighth Saturn destroys disease and > confusion; > > 6. in the ninth Saturn determines the appearance of evil; in the > > tenth success in one's activities; in the eleventh it causes the > > acquisition of much good and money; in the twelfth the loss of > one's > > employment. > > > > > > 7. Saturn in the place of (natal) Jupiter causes delusion; in the > > second (from natal Jupiter) it destroys good; in the third it > > produces conflict and quarrels; in the fourth loss of one's > > relatives and anxiety; > > 8. in the fifth it gives sons, possessions, honor, and glory; in > the > > sixth it produces fame; in the seventh Saturn causes the loss of > > one's wife and agitation; in the eighth death; > > 9. in the ninth Saturn gives distress from one's own servants and > > from low people; in the tenth it destroys beauty; in the eleventh > it > > causes the acquisition of hoards (of money) with little effort; and > > in the twelfth strength in one's body. > > > > > > 10. Saturn in the place of Venus take away one's beauty and one's > > wife; in the second it takes away wealth; in the third it gives > > evils, separation, sorrow, and hatred; in the fourth it causes > > strife; > > 11. in the fifth Saturn causes imprisonment or wandering; in the > > sixth lordship, honor, and wealth; in the seventh anxiety and > > despondency because of one's wife; in the eighth disease; > > 12. in the ninth poverty and wandering; in the tenth Saturn > destroys > > prosperity; and in the eleventh and twelfth it gives position, > > brilliance, joy, wealth, children, and slaves. > > > > > > 13. Saturn in the place of Mars gives unrighteousness (adharma), > > quarreling, and disease; in the second Saturn causes loss; in the > > third the destruction of quarreling and strength; in the fourth > many > > deceits; > > 14. in the fifth the acquisition of authority, sons, and wealth; in > > the sixth an increase in one's good qualities and lordship; in the > > seventh Saturn produces quarrels, fatigue, and illness; in the > > eighth it gives burns and wounds; > > 15. in the ninth Saturn gives divisions and jealousy; in the tenth > > success with regard to honor, sons, and wealth; in the eleventh the > > best profits and acquisitions; and in the twelfth physical pleasure. > > > > > > 16. Saturn in the place of Mercury causes loss and disease; in the > > second bewilderment of the mind; in the third separation from one's > > allies; in the fourth the destruction of friendship and trust; > > 17. in the fifth Saturn causes improper conduct of one's sons and > > confusion; in the sixth success with respect to one's mind, fame, > > good qualities, and wealth; in the seventh Saturn produces the > > appearance of inauspiciousness in one's speech; in the eighth > > physical pleasure; > > 18. in the ninth Saturn causes success with respect to > righteousness > > (dharma) and money; in the tenth acquisition through work involving > > speech and the intellect; in the eleventh the obtaining of lands > and > > quadrupeds; and in the twelfth honor and learning. > > > > > > 19. During transit, Saturn in the place of the natal Moon > > establishes imprisonment, wandering, (injuries from) swords, wind- > > diseases, poison, fire, enemies, distress, and loss of one's wife, > > sons, and property; in the second place (from natal Moon) it causes > > expense and pain; > > 20. in the third Saturn gives the destruction of one's enemies, > > honour, joy, beauty, and many acquisitions; in the fourth it causes > > the disrespect of one's relatives, the loss of beauty, fear of > > enemies, and illness; > > 21. in the fifth Saturn produces the loss of position, business > > enterprises, sons, and wealth, the hatred of one's relatives, and > > quarrels; in the sixth it gives the destruction of one's enemies, > > joy, happiness, and wealth; > > 22. in the seventh Saturn causes the loss of beauty, fatigue, > > diseases of the genitals, the death of one's wife and friends, and > > wandering; in the eighth theft, hunger, bondage, death, misery, and > > disease; > > 23. in the ninth Saturn gives illness, wandering, quarrels, > fatigue, > > loss of one's possessions, hunger, and misery; in the tenth it > > destroys one's lord-ship, the profits of one's actions, and one's > > hoards, and produces disease and dishonour; > > 24. in the eleventh Saturn gives glory, other men's wives, wealth, > > slaves, possessions, success in business, status, and honor; and in > > the twelfth it takes away cleverness in one's actions, fame, > > brilliance, and honour. > > > > > > 25. Saturn's sojourn over the natal ascendant always causes honour > > from the ruler of cities, towns, and tribes (puragramaganadhipah), > > (the possession of) metals (lohani), and the acquisition of wealth; > > in the second place (from natal ascendant) it causes infamy and a > > decrease in one's wealth; > > 26. in the third the destruction of bad things, good profits, > > success, honour, respect, and health; in the fourth place from the > > ascendent Saturn produces houses, money, friendship with one's > > relatives, and power; > > 27. in the fifth Saturn causes victory, wealth, prosperity, > progeny, > > sons, and strength; in the sixth health, joy, brilliance, the > > destruction of one's foes, fame, diligence, and power; > > 28. in the seventh Saturn gives the death of one's wife, weariness, > > exile to a foreign land, and illness; in the eighth Saturn gives > > loss of one's wife, sons, and property, imprisonment, death, and > > disease; > > 29. in the ninth Saturn causes long wandering, diseases, bodily > > confinement by one's enemies, and hatred; in the tenth honor, joy > in > > one's actions, position, and prosperity; > > 30. in the eleventh place from the ascendant Saturn gives metals > > (loha), quadrupeds, and so on, as well as women, grain, slaves, and > > black garments; and in the twelfth (from natal ascendant) it > > produces poverty, misery, and despair. > > > > > > Regards > > M.IMRAN > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" > > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > > > Hello All > > > Some people had contacted me for saturn's movements...Here's what > > I > > > found sofar..Hope this helps them...Regards..RMK > > > > > > SATURN'S MOVEMENTS > > > > > > > > > 1. SATURN IN GEMINI FROM 4/7/2003 UNTIL 5/25/2005(RETROGRADE IN > > > GEMINI FROM 10/26/2003 TO 3/3/2004…THEN GOE FORWARD IN GEMINI > > AGAIN… > > > AND ALSO INCLUDING A FORWARD MOVEMENT INTO CANCER FROM 9/5/04… > THEN > > > SLOWLY GOES RETROGRADE IN CANCER ON 11/09/2004 UNTIL IT RE- > ENTERS > > > GEMINI ON 1/12/2005) > > > > > > RETEROGRADE MOVEMENTS OF SATURN CAN CAUSE DELAYS AND OBSTACLES > > FROM > > > 10/26/2003 TO 3/3/2004 AND 11/9/04 TO 1/12/2005) > > > > > > > > > 2. SATURN IN CANCER FROM 5/26/2005 TO 7/7/2007…(IN LEO FROM > > 11/1/2006 > > > TO 1/10/2007) > > > > > > > > > 3. SATURN IN LEO FROM 7/7/2007 TO SEPT 10, 2009(RETROGRADE IN LEO > > > FROM 1/1/2009 TO 5/18/2009) > > > > > > 4. SATURN IN VIRGO FROM 9/10/2009 TO 08/05/2012 ( IN LIBRA > FROM > > > 11/18/2011 TO 2/9/2012 AND THEN RETROGRADE IN LIBRA FROM 2/9/2012 > > TO > > > 5/11/2012..RENETERS VIRGO ON 5/11/2012 AND THEN CONTINUES IN > > VIRGO > > > UNTIL 08/05/2012) > > > > > > 5. SATURN IN LIBRA FROM 08/05/2012 TO 11/04/2014 > > > > > > 6. SATURN IN SCOPRIO FROM 11/04/2014 TO 10/30/2017 (ENTERS > > SAGGI. > > > ON 2/1/2017 TO 6/12/2017 AND RE-ENTERS SCORPIO ON 6/12/2017 UNTIL > > > 10/30/2017) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMPORTANT CONCEPTS FROM PHALDEEPPIKA > > > THE FOLLOWING TABLE GIVES THE EFFECTS OF THE TRANSITS OF SATURN, > > RAHU > > > AND KETU PERTAINING TO DISTRIBUTION OF STARS AMONG THE LIMBS > > > DISTRIBUTION OF STARS/NAKSHTARAS LIMBS EFFECTS > > > > > > IST , FACE GRIEF > > > > > > 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH, RIGHT HAND COMFORTS > > > > > > 6TH,7TH, 8TH, RIGHT LEG TRAVELS > > > > > > 9TH, 10TH, 11TH, LEFT LEG DESTRUCTION1; LOSS OF > > > WEALTH > > > > > > 12TH, 13TH,14TH, 15TH, LEFT HAND GAINS;ACQUISITION OF > > WEALTH > > > > > > 16TH, 17TH18TH, 19TH, 20TH, STOMACH PLEASURES > > > > > > 21ST, 22ND, 23RD, HEAD COMFORTS;HAPPINESS > > > > > > 24TH, 25TH, EYES COMFORTS;HAPPINESS > > > > > > 26TH, 27TH BACK DEATH;DANGER TO LIFE > > > > > > STELLAR TABLES (FOR ALL PLANETS) > > > > > > In general when a planet passes through > > > IST STAR JANMA TARA :PHYSICAL TROUBLE AND LOSS > > > 3RD STAR VIPAT TARA :FORTUNE > > > 5TH STAR PRAYTAK TARA :MONETARY DIFFCULTIEs AND SOME DANGER > > > 7TH STAR VADHA TARA OR NAIDHANA TARA:DESTRUCTION, MONETARY > > > DIFFICULTIES AND NEWS OF DEATH > > > FROM BIRTH STAR THE EFFECTS WILL BE QUITE UNFAVOURABLE ESPECIAALY > > > WHEN TRANSITING THROUGH THE 7TH STAR > > > > > > MOST IMPORTANT CONDITION FOR FAILURES IF THE ADHANA NAKSHATARA > > (19TH > > > FROM JANAMA NAKSHATARA) > > > > > > > > > Just a known idea to get a prediction based on saturn's movements: > > > > > > 1. Find effects of Saturn's transits through various > > Nakshataras > > > reckoned from Janama Nakshatara(where natal moon is placed) > > > > > > 2. Modify the transit effects based on stellar table for all > > > planets i.e., modify the effects in step1, by finding out whether > > > saturn is pasing through favourable/unfavourable nakshataras as > > per > > > Stellar table > > > > > > 3. Find out whether its passing through Sade sati houses (12, > > > the , 1st and 2nd from natal moon rashi) or pasing through > > > 4th/7th/8th from natal moon rashi. > > > > > > > > > 4. Find out which is the more dominating effect i.e., one > > based > > > on Nakshataras or one based on rashi transits. Now combine the > > > effects with the effects of current AD to get a prediction… Also > > see > > > if Jupiter is placed favorably/unfavourably in natal horoscope > and > > > its transits. Combine Jupiter and Saturn's transit effects with > > > Antardasa effects. > > > > > > 5. 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Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Dear Imran Once again I appreciate your efforts and concentration...Now after doing some investigation on my own personal history I find that your technique of combining YavanJataka predictions with AshtakaVarga are a unique experiment in itself. I had mixed results..I found that when employment issues are concerned than transit of Shani with respect to Sun as Natural karaka for employment does work fine, but in other cases when applying the natural movement of shani trough various signs and Kakshaya Ranges(as per your technique) does not work exactly in all cases, when combining both Kakshaya Ranges, Kakshaya Lord and Yavan Jataka's predictions i.e., I did not face any dangerous results during an offensive transit of Shani w.r.t. natal Venus… Anyway you have mentioned that transits w.r.t. natal moon take precedence over kakshaya technique and transits w.r.t. karakas should also be considered…so I am still investigating…Employment issues do work out in certain kakshaya ranges when compared w.r.t natal Sun. I will like to know what YavanJataka says for Jupiter transits, if you have time for them and if its convenient to you or whenever convenient for you..May be we can complete the missing things when we combine Jupiter transits with Saturn transits and then related them to Antar-dasas…so still getting there… Thanks and Regards RMK vedic astrology, "Muhammad Imran" <astroimran> wrote: > Dear List, > > What I have taken from YavanJataka on 'Sani Gochar' pretends to be > complex and mind boggling, but if connect it with AshtakaVarga then > the transit analysis become easy and comprehensible. > > In Ashtakavaraga, Sages provided a technique called, Kakshya and > Prastaara Ashtakavarga. This needs to divide a sign into eight equal > segments each of 3*45'. Every Kakshya(i.e. orbit or sub path) is > ruled over a planet.(the Kakshya lordship of Grahas is a/c to their > speed in ascending order) > > ------- > No. Kakshya Range Kakshya Lord > ------- > 1st 00*00' to 03*45' Saturn > 2nd 03*45' to 07*30' Jupiter > 3rd 07*30' to 11*15' Mars > 4th 11*15' to 15*00' Sun > 5th 15*00' to 18*45' Venus > 6th 18*45' to 22*30' Mercury > 7th 22*30' to 26*15' Moon > 8th 26*15' to 30*00' Lagna > ------- > > This principle is useful specially, for slow-moving planets like > Saturn and Jupiter, because they spend year(s) in a sign and result > in significant changes in our lives. Determine movement of planet in > Kakshya and consider transit with respect to natal position of > planet-who is the Kakshya lord of transiting planet. That is if a > transiting planet is between 0* to 3*45' then take natal Saturn as > reference point; between 3*45' to 7*30' then take natal Jupiter as > reference point; and so on upto 26*15' to 30*00' for natal Lagna as > reference. > > Assume, Saturn as an example, now-a-days it is moving into Gemini. > First find the transit of Saturn in eight Kakshya of Gemini. (Anil's > VBA program "Event-Dasha-Transit" computes planetary movement along > with Kakshya lord in the 'Ephemeris' page) > > Saturn entered (retrograde) into 4th Kakshya(11*15' to 15*00') of > Gemini on 11-Jan-2004 and will remain till 1-May-2004. The 4th > Kakshay is lorded by Sun. Now, during this period, the effect of > Saturn's transit will be pronounced with respect to natal Sun. > > Consider Chart of Pakistan > 14-August-1947 > 00:00:01 am (zone:5:30 East of GMT) > Karachi > ---------------------- > Lagna 23 Ar 15' 48.58" Bhar 3 Ar Li > Sun - AK 27 Cn 02' 03.44" Asre 4 Cn Pi > Moon - PK 18 Ge 59' 09.02" Ardr 4 Ge Pi > Mars - DK 6 Ge 48' 19.77" Ardr 1 Ge Sg > Mercury - GK 11 Cn 54' 28.90" Push 3 Cn Li > Jupiter - AmK 25 Li 47' 47.54" Visa 2 Li Ta > Venus - MK 21 Cn 20' 20.34" Asre 2 Cn Cp > Saturn - PiK 20 Cn 21' 10.75" Asre 2 Cn Cp > Rahu - BK 5 Ta 07' 23.17" Krit 3 Ta Aq > Ketu 5 Sc 07' 23.17" Anu 1 Sc Le > Maandi 29 Ge 59' 09.27" Puna 3 Ge Ge > Gulika 20 Ge 55' 33.83" Puna 1 Ge Ar > Bhava Lagna 17 Ar 04' 35.30" Bhar 2 Ar Vi > Hora Lagna 7 Cp 48' 51.41" USha 4 Cp Pi > Ghati Lagna 10 Pi 01' 39.75" UBha 3 Pi Li > Vighati Lagna 21 Cp 05' 41.42" Srav 4 Cp Cn > Varnada Lagna 28 Ta 55' 20.01" Mrig 2 Ta Vi > Sree Lagna 25 Pi 52' 52.24" Reva 3 Pi Aq > ---------------------- > > We see, the natal Sun is into Cancer, and at present (11-Jan-2004 to > 1-May-2004) the Saturn is transiting into Sun's Kakshya. Therefore > the Shani will yield gochar phala with respect to Sun's natal > position, here Gemini falls 12th from Cancer(natal Sun's placement) > > The results of Saturn's movement 12th from natal Sun is given > as "loss of employment(karma)". The fact is Pakistan is facing > charge of Nuclear technology trasformation to Iran and Libya. > Agencies has been investigted, and yesterday, the famous atomic > scientist and creator of Pakistan's Atom Bomb, Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan > admitted the charge and was dismissed from his all-in-all post. The > govt has to face opposition from political parties and critisim from > media. This is a tough time to Govt(note the natural Karaka Sun). > > Now apart from it, we generally take, Natal Moon as reference point > to judge gochar phala. Whatever be the transit effect w.r.t. Moon > remains to all Kakshya i.e. whole sign, because Moon is mana-the > decision maker of our toughts and actions. > > Some important predicting techniques. > > * The transit effect w.r.t to natal Moon dominates over all > reference points (though Ascendant as reference point is preferred > for mundane charts). The Kakshya technique is used to get detailed > analysis. > > * The transit effect w.r.t to Karaka specifically good or bad for > the matters ruled by Karaka. e.g. if a planet say Jupiter is good > w.r.t. natal Venus then it brigns forth marriage or prosper spouse. > > * The transit effet w.r.t. to Dasa/Bhukti amplify the good/bad > result. e.g. Dasa of Sun is operating, and if Mars is moving into > Sun's Kakshya then good/bad phala of Sun's dasha is ampified because > transits works as catalyst of DASA/BHUKTI. Similarly Dasa/Bhukti > lord's transit w.r.t own natal position often gives pronounced > effect. > > * The transit effect w.r.t. Lagna Lord(Paka Lagna) and Lagna lead to > physical manifestination of gochar phala. > > Hope the above example may prove helpful in understanding transit. > > > Regards > M.IMRAN > > vedic astrology, 108ar <bona_mente> > wrote: > > Dear Imran, Rajesh, > > I join Rajesh in appreciation of Imran's contribution in general, > and in this particulat case, as well. > > I always save Imran's posts as valuable references > > besides, he seems to be postponing the process of wanishing the > list /underway/.. > > Thanks so much, > > Anna > > > > "Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > > Dear Imran > > I really appreciate your efforts giving such a detailed descrition > > about Saturn's transit effects. Infact your mail should be put in > > archieves so that all members can benefit form your efforts. I was > > aware of "Satrun's Vedhas: 3(12) 6(9) 11(5)" effects but > forgot > > to mention it, since I assumed people have standard texts. What I > am > > really surprized is that the combination of (mind boggling > transits) > > effects when one considers all the combinations i.e., Transit > Saturn > > in 12th from Natal Sun causes loss of employment, but if same > saturn > > is in 11th from natal Mars then it gives wealth...I think we need > to > > come up with some type of conclusion as to which natal planetary > > combinations are to be considered in various antar-dasas or > > prtyanatar-dasas ..one idea could be to just consider the MD/AD/PD > > lords and saturn;s transit for deciding the effects on MD/AD/PD > > levels? any ideas or recommendations in other standard texts > > regarding this? > > > > I do not have all the books to reach conclusions here and hope > the > > learned members can help us here...similarly we need to reach > > resoultions on Jupiter, Rahu and Ketu transits..the reson being > that > > these four planets have long transits through any sign and can > affect > > the AD status for long durations. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > RMK > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Muhammad Imran" > > <astroimran> wrote: > > > Dear Rajesh, > > > > > > Here I would like to add few words in your nice delineation. > > > > > > *** Whenever Saturn changes its sign in transit, and at the same > > > time if Maha Dasha is either starting or ending, the result will > be > > > much troublesome. This is specially inauspicious, when one is > going > > > through either SADE SATI, or Saturn enters into sensitive > > nakshatras > > > in transit, and Maha Dasa is changing. This situation, I have > > > observed in so many cases. > > > > > > Another important point, is vedha(and virodh vedha), and latta, > > i.e. > > > cancellation of usual transit effect on account of another's > > transit > > > in certain houses. Saturn's vedha placements are identical to > Mars > > > and Nodes. > > > > > > Satrun's Vedhas: 3(12) 6(9) 11(5) > > > > > > That is, in general Saturn yields good results during transit > into > > > 3rd, 6th and 11th houses, but the good effect will be nullified > > when > > > any planet(except Sun)is moving into 12th, 9th and 5th > respectively. > > > For example, during these days, Saturn is moving into Gemini- 3rd > > > from Aries. But as Venus (during Feb-2004) is into Pisces (12th > > from > > > Aries) therefore the good results of 3rd Saturn transit is not > > > achievable due to Venus for Aries natives. Since here vedha > causing > > > graha Venus stands for Women, Rajasic matters etc., therefore > for > > > Arians the good phala of 3rd Saturn transit will be obstructed > by > > > Women, Voyages, losses, expenditure, foreign homage, > > hospitalization > > > etc. The situation may vary, it may be due to wife > hospitalization, > > > vehicle snaching, expenditure on securing assests, hotel billing > > > etc. The event though intense but will not be harmful as Venus > is > > > exalting here in Pisces-12th from Aries. > > > > > > Similarly, virodh vedha works in reverse order, i.e. 12th, 9th > and > > > 5th are amongst difficult Saturn transit placements. But it > turns, > > > when any planet(except Sun) is moving in 3rd, 6th, and 11th > > > respectively. For example, now-a-days, natives having natal Moon > > > into Cancer are in first phase of Sade Sati as Saturn is > transiting > > > in 12th to Cancer. But whenever any graha come into 6th from > > Cancer, > > > the bad transit result will be nulified. > > > > > > The YavanaJataka chapter 45 beautifully explains the impact of > > > Saturn's movement with respect to (not only natal Moon, but also) > > all > > > natal planets and lagna. Which is nothing but Ashtakavarga Phala > in > > > detail. > > > > > > 1. Saturn's transit in its own place (i.e. over natal Saturn) > > causes > > > wounds from swords and diseases; in the second place (from natal > > > Saturn) it takes away honor; in the third it overcomes sickness > and > > > one's enemies and produces status; in the fourth Saturn destroys > > > good qualities and friendship; > > > 2. in the fifth it gives sons and money; in the sixth Saturn > > > produces position and wealth; in the seventh it causes wandering > > and > > > destroys one's wife; in the eighth it produces diseases, the > > > destruction of wealth, and (the appearance of) enemies; > > > 3. in the ninth Saturn destroys one's means of making money; in > the > > > tenth it takes away (the profit from) one's actions; in the > > eleventh > > > Saturn produces success in several pleasures and in wealth; and > in > > > the twelfth (from natal Saturn) wandering and fear. > > > > > > > > > 4. Saturn in the place of the (natal) Sun, in transit, gives > > > happiness, money, joy and pleasure; in the second (from natal > Sun) > > > wealth; in the third it destroys honor, beauty, and strength; in > > the > > > fourth it abets the happiness from one's relatives; > > > 5. in the fifth Saturn produces sickness and anxiety about one's > > > sons; in the sixth strife; in the seventh it gives happiness and > > joy > > > from one's wife; in the eighth Saturn destroys disease and > > confusion; > > > 6. in the ninth Saturn determines the appearance of evil; in the > > > tenth success in one's activities; in the eleventh it causes the > > > acquisition of much good and money; in the twelfth the loss of > > one's > > > employment. > > > > > > > > > 7. Saturn in the place of (natal) Jupiter causes delusion; in > the > > > second (from natal Jupiter) it destroys good; in the third it > > > produces conflict and quarrels; in the fourth loss of one's > > > relatives and anxiety; > > > 8. in the fifth it gives sons, possessions, honor, and glory; in > > the > > > sixth it produces fame; in the seventh Saturn causes the loss of > > > one's wife and agitation; in the eighth death; > > > 9. in the ninth Saturn gives distress from one's own servants > and > > > from low people; in the tenth it destroys beauty; in the > eleventh > > it > > > causes the acquisition of hoards (of money) with little effort; > and > > > in the twelfth strength in one's body. > > > > > > > > > 10. Saturn in the place of Venus take away one's beauty and > one's > > > wife; in the second it takes away wealth; in the third it gives > > > evils, separation, sorrow, and hatred; in the fourth it causes > > > strife; > > > 11. in the fifth Saturn causes imprisonment or wandering; in the > > > sixth lordship, honor, and wealth; in the seventh anxiety and > > > despondency because of one's wife; in the eighth disease; > > > 12. in the ninth poverty and wandering; in the tenth Saturn > > destroys > > > prosperity; and in the eleventh and twelfth it gives position, > > > brilliance, joy, wealth, children, and slaves. > > > > > > > > > 13. Saturn in the place of Mars gives unrighteousness (adharma), > > > quarreling, and disease; in the second Saturn causes loss; in > the > > > third the destruction of quarreling and strength; in the fourth > > many > > > deceits; > > > 14. in the fifth the acquisition of authority, sons, and wealth; > in > > > the sixth an increase in one's good qualities and lordship; in > the > > > seventh Saturn produces quarrels, fatigue, and illness; in the > > > eighth it gives burns and wounds; > > > 15. in the ninth Saturn gives divisions and jealousy; in the > tenth > > > success with regard to honor, sons, and wealth; in the eleventh > the > > > best profits and acquisitions; and in the twelfth physical > pleasure. > > > > > > > > > 16. Saturn in the place of Mercury causes loss and disease; in > the > > > second bewilderment of the mind; in the third separation from > one's > > > allies; in the fourth the destruction of friendship and trust; > > > 17. in the fifth Saturn causes improper conduct of one's sons > and > > > confusion; in the sixth success with respect to one's mind, > fame, > > > good qualities, and wealth; in the seventh Saturn produces the > > > appearance of inauspiciousness in one's speech; in the eighth > > > physical pleasure; > > > 18. in the ninth Saturn causes success with respect to > > righteousness > > > (dharma) and money; in the tenth acquisition through work > involving > > > speech and the intellect; in the eleventh the obtaining of lands > > and > > > quadrupeds; and in the twelfth honor and learning. > > > > > > > > > 19. During transit, Saturn in the place of the natal Moon > > > establishes imprisonment, wandering, (injuries from) swords, > wind- > > > diseases, poison, fire, enemies, distress, and loss of one's > wife, > > > sons, and property; in the second place (from natal Moon) it > causes > > > expense and pain; > > > 20. in the third Saturn gives the destruction of one's enemies, > > > honour, joy, beauty, and many acquisitions; in the fourth it > causes > > > the disrespect of one's relatives, the loss of beauty, fear of > > > enemies, and illness; > > > 21. in the fifth Saturn produces the loss of position, business > > > enterprises, sons, and wealth, the hatred of one's relatives, > and > > > quarrels; in the sixth it gives the destruction of one's > enemies, > > > joy, happiness, and wealth; > > > 22. in the seventh Saturn causes the loss of beauty, fatigue, > > > diseases of the genitals, the death of one's wife and friends, > and > > > wandering; in the eighth theft, hunger, bondage, death, misery, > and > > > disease; > > > 23. in the ninth Saturn gives illness, wandering, quarrels, > > fatigue, > > > loss of one's possessions, hunger, and misery; in the tenth it > > > destroys one's lord-ship, the profits of one's actions, and > one's > > > hoards, and produces disease and dishonour; > > > 24. in the eleventh Saturn gives glory, other men's wives, > wealth, > > > slaves, possessions, success in business, status, and honor; and > in > > > the twelfth it takes away cleverness in one's actions, fame, > > > brilliance, and honour. > > > > > > > > > 25. Saturn's sojourn over the natal ascendant always causes > honour > > > from the ruler of cities, towns, and tribes > (puragramaganadhipah), > > > (the possession of) metals (lohani), and the acquisition of > wealth; > > > in the second place (from natal ascendant) it causes infamy and > a > > > decrease in one's wealth; > > > 26. in the third the destruction of bad things, good profits, > > > success, honour, respect, and health; in the fourth place from > the > > > ascendent Saturn produces houses, money, friendship with one's > > > relatives, and power; > > > 27. in the fifth Saturn causes victory, wealth, prosperity, > > progeny, > > > sons, and strength; in the sixth health, joy, brilliance, the > > > destruction of one's foes, fame, diligence, and power; > > > 28. in the seventh Saturn gives the death of one's wife, > weariness, > > > exile to a foreign land, and illness; in the eighth Saturn gives > > > loss of one's wife, sons, and property, imprisonment, death, and > > > disease; > > > 29. in the ninth Saturn causes long wandering, diseases, bodily > > > confinement by one's enemies, and hatred; in the tenth honor, > joy > > in > > > one's actions, position, and prosperity; > > > 30. in the eleventh place from the ascendant Saturn gives metals > > > (loha), quadrupeds, and so on, as well as women, grain, slaves, > and > > > black garments; and in the twelfth (from natal ascendant) it > > > produces poverty, misery, and despair. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > M.IMRAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Rajesh M. Kumaria" > > > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > > > > Hello All > > > > Some people had contacted me for saturn's movements...Here's > what > > > I > > > > found sofar..Hope this helps them...Regards..RMK > > > > > > > > SATURN'S MOVEMENTS > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. SATURN IN GEMINI FROM 4/7/2003 UNTIL 5/25/2005(RETROGRADE > IN > > > > GEMINI FROM 10/26/2003 TO 3/3/2004…THEN GOE FORWARD IN GEMINI > > > AGAIN… > > > > AND ALSO INCLUDING A FORWARD MOVEMENT INTO CANCER FROM 9/5/04… > > THEN > > > > SLOWLY GOES RETROGRADE IN CANCER ON 11/09/2004 UNTIL IT RE- > > ENTERS > > > > GEMINI ON 1/12/2005) > > > > > > > > RETEROGRADE MOVEMENTS OF SATURN CAN CAUSE DELAYS AND OBSTACLES > > > FROM > > > > 10/26/2003 TO 3/3/2004 AND 11/9/04 TO 1/12/2005) > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. SATURN IN CANCER FROM 5/26/2005 TO 7/7/2007…(IN LEO FROM > > > 11/1/2006 > > > > TO 1/10/2007) > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. SATURN IN LEO FROM 7/7/2007 TO SEPT 10, 2009(RETROGRADE IN > LEO > > > > FROM 1/1/2009 TO 5/18/2009) > > > > > > > > 4. SATURN IN VIRGO FROM 9/10/2009 TO 08/05/2012 ( IN LIBRA > > FROM > > > > 11/18/2011 TO 2/9/2012 AND THEN RETROGRADE IN LIBRA FROM > 2/9/2012 > > > TO > > > > 5/11/2012..RENETERS VIRGO ON 5/11/2012 AND THEN CONTINUES IN > > > VIRGO > > > > UNTIL 08/05/2012) > > > > > > > > 5. SATURN IN LIBRA FROM 08/05/2012 TO 11/04/2014 > > > > > > > > 6. SATURN IN SCOPRIO FROM 11/04/2014 TO 10/30/2017 (ENTERS > > > SAGGI. > > > > ON 2/1/2017 TO 6/12/2017 AND RE-ENTERS SCORPIO ON 6/12/2017 > UNTIL > > > > 10/30/2017) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMPORTANT CONCEPTS FROM PHALDEEPPIKA > > > > THE FOLLOWING TABLE GIVES THE EFFECTS OF THE TRANSITS OF > SATURN, > > > RAHU > > > > AND KETU PERTAINING TO DISTRIBUTION OF STARS AMONG THE LIMBS > > > > DISTRIBUTION OF STARS/NAKSHTARAS LIMBS EFFECTS > > > > > > > > IST , FACE GRIEF > > > > > > > > 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH, RIGHT HAND COMFORTS > > > > > > > > 6TH,7TH, 8TH, RIGHT LEG TRAVELS > > > > > > > > 9TH, 10TH, 11TH, LEFT LEG DESTRUCTION1; LOSS OF > > > > WEALTH > > > > > > > > 12TH, 13TH,14TH, 15TH, LEFT HAND > GAINS;ACQUISITION OF > > > WEALTH > > > > > > > > 16TH, 17TH18TH, 19TH, 20TH, STOMACH PLEASURES > > > > > > > > 21ST, 22ND, 23RD, HEAD COMFORTS;HAPPINESS > > > > > > > > 24TH, 25TH, EYES COMFORTS;HAPPINESS > > > > > > > > 26TH, 27TH BACK DEATH;DANGER TO LIFE > > > > > > > > STELLAR TABLES (FOR ALL PLANETS) > > > > > > > > In general when a planet passes through > > > > IST STAR JANMA TARA :PHYSICAL TROUBLE AND LOSS > > > > 3RD STAR VIPAT TARA :FORTUNE > > > > 5TH STAR PRAYTAK TARA :MONETARY DIFFCULTIEs AND SOME DANGER > > > > 7TH STAR VADHA TARA OR NAIDHANA TARA:DESTRUCTION, MONETARY > > > > DIFFICULTIES AND NEWS OF DEATH > > > > FROM BIRTH STAR THE EFFECTS WILL BE QUITE UNFAVOURABLE > ESPECIAALY > > > > WHEN TRANSITING THROUGH THE 7TH STAR > > > > > > > > MOST IMPORTANT CONDITION FOR FAILURES IF THE ADHANA NAKSHATARA > > > (19TH > > > > FROM JANAMA NAKSHATARA) > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a known idea to get a prediction based on saturn's > movements: > > > > > > > > 1. Find effects of Saturn's transits through various > > > Nakshataras > > > > reckoned from Janama Nakshatara(where natal moon is placed) > > > > > > > > 2. Modify the transit effects based on stellar table for > all > > > > planets i.e., modify the effects in step1, by finding out > whether > > > > saturn is pasing through favourable/unfavourable nakshataras > as > > > per > > > > Stellar table > > > > > > > > 3. Find out whether its passing through Sade sati houses > (12, > > > > the , 1st and 2nd from natal moon rashi) or pasing through > > > > 4th/7th/8th from natal moon rashi. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Find out which is the more dominating effect i.e., > one > > > based > > > > on Nakshataras or one based on rashi transits. Now combine > the > > > > effects with the effects of current AD to get a prediction… > Also > > > see > > > > if Jupiter is placed favorably/unfavourably in natal horoscope > > and > > > > its transits. Combine Jupiter and Saturn's transit effects > with > > > > Antardasa effects. > > > > > > > > 5. Similarly see the effects of Rahu and Ketu's transits if > > > required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > vedic astrology/ > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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