Extremely confused about a basic astrology question --TO Chandrashekhar ji

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Respected Sir,

 

What you say makes sense to me.

 

However as a beginner I need some thumbrules. The most complete

one yet is the one in Rayudu's Book. It gives negative and positive

points for various things: natural nature, functional nature,

exalted/debilitated, nakshatra, acpects of funcional benefic/malefic,

retrograde, vargottama, nakshatra.

 

These are calculated for each planet and each planet

gets a number. If the +ve numbers are > negative by a large

amount then the overall effects are benefic, otherwise not.

 

What is your opinion on this method? Is this useful

for a beginner to start with?

 

regards

Kanwar

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Kanwar,

> Astrology learning is a difficult process, but one can learn with

> perseverance. You have to understand that it is not possible to

reduce

> assessment of nature of planets to a set mathematical formula.

> If you try to fathom the meaning behind the written words, you will

have

> better success. Understand that planets have some innate nature

which is

> referred to as the Natural beneficence/Malfeasance. Again planets

behave

> in particular way due to their relation with the Ascendant, by

reason of

> their house ownership, which is referred to as the functional

nature of

> the planet.

> The results are combination of the two factors. Here one has to use

> one's sense of proportion to arrive at the correct interpretation.

This

> is achieved by working on numerous charts and is a lengthy process

no

> doubt. The time taken to learn astrology depends on one's own chart

too.

> Mastering it is something that depends on the goal one has set for

> himself. Some like me think that they are still at the stage of a

> student after more than 40 years of studying it, and have

understood

> only a tiny bit of all the vast knowledge that makes up Astrology

as a

> whole. Remember that Astrology consists of three Pillars, Ganita,

> Samhita and Hora and true Triskanda Jyotishis are a rarity.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> kanwarpreet_grewal wrote:

>

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I have been reading various books and I am unable to move

> > beyond the benefic/malefic analysis of planets. I am on the

> > verge of giving up astrology because of its vagueness. This

> > is probably my final attempt at this question:

> >

> > When we analyse a planet 's benefic and malefic nature

> > what are the factors to look at?

> >

> > In one book it says that Functional nature is the final

> > thing. So if taurus is 8 th and 11th lord of taurus lagana then

> > it is a malefic.

> >

> > Another book ( B.V Raman's 300 important combination) says

> > that the analys is based on functional nautre, whether it is

> > placed in a friendly house, if it has benefic aspects etc. So

> > we give +1 point for functional benefic and -1 for FM. We give

> > +1 if planet is exalted or in friendly house and -1 if deblitated

> > or enemy house etc. We add all these numbers and the +ve or -ve

> > result at the end is the final decider of benefic/melefic nature.

> >

> > Another book ( By Rayudu) has more factors to consider.

> > If a planet is exalted it gets +3 ( Raman gave it +1 ), if a

> > planet is vargottama it gets +3. If a benefic is placed in

> > 6th,8th,12th it gets -2 etc etc.

> >

> > The more I read the more I get confused.

> >

> > So my question to this forum is:

> >

> > PLease Please tell me how to analyse the true malefic/benefic

> > nature of a planet in a chart.

> >

> > Or I might just give up the study of astrology as a subject

> > that has too much vagueness and too little science.

> >

> >

> > kanwar

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Kanwar,

I am of a generation which believes that reduction of planetary

strength by finite numbers, while attractive, does not yield the results

projected. I have not read Rayudu's book so it would not be right for me

to comment on it.The nearest system for going in that direction is the

Ashtakavarga system, and you may try it. I have not found it infallible,

so probably you will have to go about it the old fashioned way to

understand the philosophy of astrology, without which near accurate

predictions are difficult.

Chandrashekhar.

 

kanwarpreet_grewal wrote:

 

>

> Respected Sir,

>

> What you say makes sense to me.

>

> However as a beginner I need some thumbrules. The most complete

> one yet is the one in Rayudu's Book. It gives negative and positive

> points for various things: natural nature, functional nature,

> exalted/debilitated, nakshatra, acpects of funcional benefic/malefic,

> retrograde, vargottama, nakshatra.

>

> These are calculated for each planet and each planet

> gets a number. If the +ve numbers are > negative by a large

> amount then the overall effects are benefic, otherwise not.

>

> What is your opinion on this method? Is this useful

> for a beginner to start with?

>

> regards

> Kanwar

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

> wrote:

> > Dear Kanwar,

> > Astrology learning is a difficult process, but one can learn with

> > perseverance. You have to understand that it is not possible to

> reduce

> > assessment of nature of planets to a set mathematical formula.

> > If you try to fathom the meaning behind the written words, you will

> have

> > better success. Understand that planets have some innate nature

> which is

> > referred to as the Natural beneficence/Malfeasance. Again planets

> behave

> > in particular way due to their relation with the Ascendant, by

> reason of

> > their house ownership, which is referred to as the functional

> nature of

> > the planet.

> > The results are combination of the two factors. Here one has to use

> > one's sense of proportion to arrive at the correct interpretation.

> This

> > is achieved by working on numerous charts and is a lengthy process

> no

> > doubt. The time taken to learn astrology depends on one's own chart

> too.

> > Mastering it is something that depends on the goal one has set for

> > himself. Some like me think that they are still at the stage of a

> > student after more than 40 years of studying it, and have

> understood

> > only a tiny bit of all the vast knowledge that makes up Astrology

> as a

> > whole. Remember that Astrology consists of three Pillars, Ganita,

> > Samhita and Hora and true Triskanda Jyotishis are a rarity.

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > kanwarpreet_grewal wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I have been reading various books and I am unable to move

> > > beyond the benefic/malefic analysis of planets. I am on the

> > > verge of giving up astrology because of its vagueness. This

> > > is probably my final attempt at this question:

> > >

> > > When we analyse a planet 's benefic and malefic nature

> > > what are the factors to look at?

> > >

> > > In one book it says that Functional nature is the final

> > > thing. So if taurus is 8 th and 11th lord of taurus lagana then

> > > it is a malefic.

> > >

> > > Another book ( B.V Raman's 300 important combination) says

> > > that the analys is based on functional nautre, whether it is

> > > placed in a friendly house, if it has benefic aspects etc. So

> > > we give +1 point for functional benefic and -1 for FM. We give

> > > +1 if planet is exalted or in friendly house and -1 if deblitated

> > > or enemy house etc. We add all these numbers and the +ve or -ve

> > > result at the end is the final decider of benefic/melefic nature.

> > >

> > > Another book ( By Rayudu) has more factors to consider.

> > > If a planet is exalted it gets +3 ( Raman gave it +1 ), if a

> > > planet is vargottama it gets +3. If a benefic is placed in

> > > 6th,8th,12th it gets -2 etc etc.

> > >

> > > The more I read the more I get confused.

> > >

> > > So my question to this forum is:

> > >

> > > PLease Please tell me how to analyse the true malefic/benefic

> > > nature of a planet in a chart.

> > >

> > > Or I might just give up the study of astrology as a subject

> > > that has too much vagueness and too little science.

> > >

> > >

> > > kanwar

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

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Dear Kanwar,

 

There are two general ways to learn.

(a) Learn by heart (via reading, writing)

(b) Learn by doing (via listening, seeing, performing)

 

Traditionally, both ways of learning was to adopted simultanously.

But your problem pretends that you fall solely into second category

mentioned above. Understanding through books seems a difficult and

cumbersome task for you. Therefore its my humble opinion, that

search a Astrology tutor(GURU) and proceed further. Try to join

company of astrologers/friends and listen their discussion, and

observe how to read a chart. Watch Astrology programme on TV or

available Audio, MP3 CDs etc.

 

And regarding your query about confusion, respected Sri

Chandrashekhar explained it lucidly, in a nice manner.

 

Remember, Astrology is a multivariate and multidimentional sceienc-

cum-art. Loosely saying, the computational part of Astrolgy comes

into science, and analysis segment falls into art. You are trying to

formulate "art" i.e. qualitative element. We know quantitative

elements can be formulated but qualitative can not be formulated,

but just approximated or tends to approach. It attains perfection

with Experience and Intuition.

 

The work of B.V.Raman in "Three Hundred Important Combinations"

chapter 1; P.V.R.Rayudu in "How to Read A Horoscope" chapter

chapter II, and III; V.K.Choudhry in his all books and on online

articles; all are innovative attempts to ease the qualitative

analysis after converting priciples into algorithms. But it should

be borne in mind that these formulai, algorithms, are not hard and

fast rules.

 

You can't learn to swim by just reading books, hence jump into

pool...

 

Take charts of family members and friends and learn to interpreate

them under guidance of Guru or expert friend. Dont bother about

deviations among authors and their formulations. Take ART as ART and

SCIENCE as SCIENCE.

 

By the way, just take your chart, and observe what Dasha and Transit

you are going through, which are obstructing learning Jyotish.

 

M.IMRAN

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Kanwar,

> I am of a generation which believes that reduction of planetary

> strength by finite numbers, while attractive, does not yield the

results

> projected. I have not read Rayudu's book so it would not be right

for me

> to comment on it.The nearest system for going in that direction is

the

> Ashtakavarga system, and you may try it. I have not found it

infallible,

> so probably you will have to go about it the old fashioned way to

> understand the philosophy of astrology, without which near

accurate

> predictions are difficult.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> kanwarpreet_grewal wrote:

>

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> >

> > What you say makes sense to me.

> >

> > However as a beginner I need some thumbrules. The most complete

> > one yet is the one in Rayudu's Book. It gives negative and

positive

> > points for various things: natural nature, functional nature,

> > exalted/debilitated, nakshatra, acpects of funcional

benefic/malefic,

> > retrograde, vargottama, nakshatra.

> >

> > These are calculated for each planet and each planet

> > gets a number. If the +ve numbers are > negative by a large

> > amount then the overall effects are benefic, otherwise not.

> >

> > What is your opinion on this method? Is this useful

> > for a beginner to start with?

> >

> > regards

> > Kanwar

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<boxdel>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Kanwar,

> > > Astrology learning is a difficult process, but one can learn

with

> > > perseverance. You have to understand that it is not possible to

> > reduce

> > > assessment of nature of planets to a set mathematical formula.

> > > If you try to fathom the meaning behind the written words, you

will

> > have

> > > better success. Understand that planets have some innate nature

> > which is

> > > referred to as the Natural beneficence/Malfeasance. Again

planets

> > behave

> > > in particular way due to their relation with the Ascendant, by

> > reason of

> > > their house ownership, which is referred to as the functional

> > nature of

> > > the planet.

> > > The results are combination of the two factors. Here one has

to use

> > > one's sense of proportion to arrive at the correct

interpretation.

> > This

> > > is achieved by working on numerous charts and is a lengthy

process

> > no

> > > doubt. The time taken to learn astrology depends on one's own

chart

> > too.

> > > Mastering it is something that depends on the goal one has set

for

> > > himself. Some like me think that they are still at the stage

of a

> > > student after more than 40 years of studying it, and have

> > understood

> > > only a tiny bit of all the vast knowledge that makes up

Astrology

> > as a

> > > whole. Remember that Astrology consists of three Pillars,

Ganita,

> > > Samhita and Hora and true Triskanda Jyotishis are a rarity.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > kanwarpreet_grewal wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I have been reading various books and I am unable to move

> > > > beyond the benefic/malefic analysis of planets. I am on the

> > > > verge of giving up astrology because of its vagueness. This

> > > > is probably my final attempt at this question:

> > > >

> > > > When we analyse a planet 's benefic and malefic nature

> > > > what are the factors to look at?

> > > >

> > > > In one book it says that Functional nature is the final

> > > > thing. So if taurus is 8 th and 11th lord of taurus lagana

then

> > > > it is a malefic.

> > > >

> > > > Another book ( B.V Raman's 300 important combination)

says

> > > > that the analys is based on functional nautre, whether it is

> > > > placed in a friendly house, if it has benefic aspects etc. So

> > > > we give +1 point for functional benefic and -1 for FM. We

give

> > > > +1 if planet is exalted or in friendly house and -1 if

deblitated

> > > > or enemy house etc. We add all these numbers and the +ve or -

ve

> > > > result at the end is the final decider of benefic/melefic

nature.

> > > >

> > > > Another book ( By Rayudu) has more factors to consider.

> > > > If a planet is exalted it gets +3 ( Raman gave it +1 ), if a

> > > > planet is vargottama it gets +3. If a benefic is placed in

> > > > 6th,8th,12th it gets -2 etc etc.

> > > >

> > > > The more I read the more I get confused.

> > > >

> > > > So my question to this forum is:

> > > >

> > > > PLease Please tell me how to analyse the true

malefic/benefic

> > > > nature of a planet in a chart.

> > > >

> > > > Or I might just give up the study of astrology as a

subject

> > > > that has too much vagueness and too little science.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > kanwar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Group info: vedic-

astrology/info.html

> > > >

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Dear Kanwar,

 

There are two general ways to learn.

(a) Learn by heart (via reading, writing)

(b) Learn by doing (via listening, seeing, performing)

 

Traditionally, both ways of learning was to adopted simultanously.

But your problem pretends that you fall solely into second category

mentioned above. Understanding through books seems a difficult and

cumbersome task for you. Therefore its my humble opinion, that

search a Astrology tutor(GURU) and proceed further. Try to join

company of astrologers/friends and listen their discussion, and

observe how to read a chart. Watch Astrology programme on TV or

available Audio, MP3 CDs etc.

 

And regarding your query about confusion, respected Sri

Chandrashekhar explained it lucidly, in a nice manner.

 

Remember, Astrology is a multivariate and multidimentional sceienc-

cum-art. Loosely saying, the computational part of Astrolgy comes

into science, and analysis segment falls into art. You are trying to

formulate "art" i.e. qualitative element. We know quantitative

elements can be formulated but qualitative can not be formulated,

but just approximated or tends to approach. It attains perfection

with Experience and Intuition.

 

The work of B.V.Raman in "Three Hundred Important Combinations"

chapter 1; P.V.R.Rayudu in "How to Read A Horoscope" chapter

chapter II, and III; V.K.Choudhry in his all books and on online

articles; all are innovative attempts to ease the qualitative

analysis after converting priciples into algorithms. But it should

be borne in mind that these formulai, algorithms, are not hard and

fast rules.

 

You can't learn to swim by just reading books, hence jump into

pool...

 

Take charts of family members and friends and learn to interpreate

them under guidance of Guru or expert friend. Dont bother about

deviations among authors and their formulations. Take ART as ART and

SCIENCE as SCIENCE.

 

By the way, just take your chart, and observe what Dasha and Transit

you are going through, which are obstructing learning Jyotish.

 

M.IMRAN

 

 

 

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Kanwar,

> I am of a generation which believes that reduction of planetary

> strength by finite numbers, while attractive, does not yield the

results

> projected. I have not read Rayudu's book so it would not be right

for me

> to comment on it.The nearest system for going in that direction is

the

> Ashtakavarga system, and you may try it. I have not found it

infallible,

> so probably you will have to go about it the old fashioned way to

> understand the philosophy of astrology, without which near

accurate

> predictions are difficult.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> kanwarpreet_grewal wrote:

>

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> >

> > What you say makes sense to me.

> >

> > However as a beginner I need some thumbrules. The most complete

> > one yet is the one in Rayudu's Book. It gives negative and

positive

> > points for various things: natural nature, functional nature,

> > exalted/debilitated, nakshatra, acpects of funcional

benefic/malefic,

> > retrograde, vargottama, nakshatra.

> >

> > These are calculated for each planet and each planet

> > gets a number. If the +ve numbers are > negative by a large

> > amount then the overall effects are benefic, otherwise not.

> >

> > What is your opinion on this method? Is this useful

> > for a beginner to start with?

> >

> > regards

> > Kanwar

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<boxdel>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Kanwar,

> > > Astrology learning is a difficult process, but one can learn

with

> > > perseverance. You have to understand that it is not possible to

> > reduce

> > > assessment of nature of planets to a set mathematical formula.

> > > If you try to fathom the meaning behind the written words, you

will

> > have

> > > better success. Understand that planets have some innate nature

> > which is

> > > referred to as the Natural beneficence/Malfeasance. Again

planets

> > behave

> > > in particular way due to their relation with the Ascendant, by

> > reason of

> > > their house ownership, which is referred to as the functional

> > nature of

> > > the planet.

> > > The results are combination of the two factors. Here one has

to use

> > > one's sense of proportion to arrive at the correct

interpretation.

> > This

> > > is achieved by working on numerous charts and is a lengthy

process

> > no

> > > doubt. The time taken to learn astrology depends on one's own

chart

> > too.

> > > Mastering it is something that depends on the goal one has set

for

> > > himself. Some like me think that they are still at the stage

of a

> > > student after more than 40 years of studying it, and have

> > understood

> > > only a tiny bit of all the vast knowledge that makes up

Astrology

> > as a

> > > whole. Remember that Astrology consists of three Pillars,

Ganita,

> > > Samhita and Hora and true Triskanda Jyotishis are a rarity.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > kanwarpreet_grewal wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I have been reading various books and I am unable to move

> > > > beyond the benefic/malefic analysis of planets. I am on the

> > > > verge of giving up astrology because of its vagueness. This

> > > > is probably my final attempt at this question:

> > > >

> > > > When we analyse a planet 's benefic and malefic nature

> > > > what are the factors to look at?

> > > >

> > > > In one book it says that Functional nature is the final

> > > > thing. So if taurus is 8 th and 11th lord of taurus lagana

then

> > > > it is a malefic.

> > > >

> > > > Another book ( B.V Raman's 300 important combination)

says

> > > > that the analys is based on functional nautre, whether it is

> > > > placed in a friendly house, if it has benefic aspects etc. So

> > > > we give +1 point for functional benefic and -1 for FM. We

give

> > > > +1 if planet is exalted or in friendly house and -1 if

deblitated

> > > > or enemy house etc. We add all these numbers and the +ve or -

ve

> > > > result at the end is the final decider of benefic/melefic

nature.

> > > >

> > > > Another book ( By Rayudu) has more factors to consider.

> > > > If a planet is exalted it gets +3 ( Raman gave it +1 ), if a

> > > > planet is vargottama it gets +3. If a benefic is placed in

> > > > 6th,8th,12th it gets -2 etc etc.

> > > >

> > > > The more I read the more I get confused.

> > > >

> > > > So my question to this forum is:

> > > >

> > > > PLease Please tell me how to analyse the true

malefic/benefic

> > > > nature of a planet in a chart.

> > > >

> > > > Or I might just give up the study of astrology as a

subject

> > > > that has too much vagueness and too little science.

> > > >

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