Extra Marital Afair Conditions, The 11th House, & Kama Jyotish - Sanjay

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Hi Again Sanjay,

 

Thanks so much for your thoughts on the matter of the

11th house in terms of relationship analysis.

 

I misunderstood your original post.

 

You suggested that for considering matters of

infidelity on the part of the spouse, that is to say,

that the spouse is represented by the 7th house, that

the 5th house is to be examined. This 5th house, when

viewed from the 7th house, becomes the 11th house.

 

I took your post to mean the 11th house, from the

perspective of the native, represented by the Asc.

Although I misunderstood your meaning, nevertheless,

my findings support the question on the part of a

spouse to be a 11th house matter. The only difference

is that I was meaning if you had the chart of the

offender in question; that way, you could look at

their 11th house.

 

Classical Jyotish canons recognize this principle,

calling the 11th house a "kama" (desire) house. In

that the 7th house is also a "kama" house, this again

makes sense; what we both are considering is an

imbalance of one or the other, in order to determine

whether one is inclined to "stray".

 

In my examples I presented to you last week, I had

this thought in mind.

 

In modern Western astrology, the idea of the 11th

house representing the concept of "love received" is a

powerful one indeed. It is an outgrowth, in sexual

terms, of "friends" a classical designation in both

eastern and western systems.

 

I have the Moon, very bright, in the 5th house, and I

have read that such a position inclines the native to

get a spouse who is very much in love with the native.

Unless there are serious imbalances with a person's

7th in relation to their 5th, this will be the case.

 

In the case of the examples I mentioned, Clinton and a

private female case, not only was the 11th house in

terms of their trangressions, but so too was the Dasas

of the 11th lords and/or planets in the 11th in

operation at the time of their affairs.

 

I feel that this is a strong and clear breakview in

terms of furthering my study of and work with jyotish.

 

 

Thanks.

 

Also, I wanted to ask you: what are your views of

Sexual Astrology, the appreciation of the Vedic

horoscope in terms of sexuality? I have studied many

classics in this regard and have found many aphorisms

to be most helpful. I have also made a few "rules" of

my own - you will recall my thoughts concerning the

Sexual Houses of the Vedic horoscope - and have a good

degree of accuracy and success therein. I would be

most desirous to hear from you your thoughts on these

matters, and how you integrate this within the larger

context of horoscope matching for the purposes of

fruitful and meaningful relationship building.

 

Thanks again for your thoughts.

 

Salaam,

Mu

--- Sanjay Aggarwal <sanjaytechnology

wrote:

> Very sound and consistent analysis.

>

> Regards.

>

> --Sanjay

>

> Mu'Min Bey <mumin_bey wrote:

> Hi Sanjay,

>

> It's been awhile since we last talked. How are you?

>

> Thanks so much for this very good information. Right

> off the bat i can apply this info - I know a woman

> who

> was cheating up a storm on her ex boyfriend. She has

> Cap Lagna with Jupiter Rx in Scorpio/11th house,

> aspecting her Cancer Moon in the 7th. Mars is in the

> 5th house with 8th lord Sun, both in Taurus.

>

> Mars was running its Dasa at the time all of this

> came

> out in the wash. Her chart clearly suggested

> affairs,

> cheating on her boyfriend and the rest of it.

>

> But what of former USA President Bill Clinton?

> Surely,

> he has had many affairs. Could we have seen this in

> his chart as well? We do know that Mercury, which is

> Lagnesh for him, is placed in the 11th house with

> Saturn, which happens to be the 5th lord!!! Both are

> placed in the sign of Cancer, and its ruler is in

> the

> 8th house of scandals, Moon, which in turn is placed

> in the sexy sign of Aries. Venus and Mars are in the

> Virgo Lagna, and Mars is the lord of the 8th house,

> with Venus ruling the 9th, which I see as court and

> legal issues. Saturn gets MT strength from its sign

> Aquarius, and therefore, we see again the strong

> efforts on the part of his political enemies to try

> and take him down.

>

> Sanjay, I have found in my study of Sexual

> Astrological matters, that the Sexual Houses of a

> Vedic chart are typically the 5th, 8th and 12th

> houses.

>

> The 5th house represents one's style of sexual

> expression, their storehouse of "carnal knowledge".

>

> The 8th house represents one's sexual energy, life

> force overall, and animal magnetism. An abundance of

> sexual energy is almost always seen from this house,

> from all my study.

>

> And the 12th house represents the extent to which

> the

> native will derive sexual pleasure from the sexual

> act. This house, also has a great deal to do with

> orgasmic functions, particularly with regard to

> females. I have seen the charts of many women who

> have

> had the 5th and/or the 8th houses strong, yet had

> very

> difficult 12th houses, and got little if any

> pleasure

> out of sex themselves, even if they were able to

> give

> much pleasure to their partners. On the other hand,

> in

> the charts of women who have very strong 12th

> houses,

> i have seen them get much pleasure from sex, with

> them

> being extremely orgasmic.

>

> I have also found that a weakened 8th house in the

> chart of a male, especially combinated with

> problematic placements of Mars, Saturn and Ketu, can

> suggest problems associated with impotence, either

> psychological in nature or in medical terms.

>

> Conversly, in the chart of a female, rotating her

> chart so that her 2nd house becomes her mate's 8th,

> if

> the strong presence of debilitating malefics like

> Saturn are there, the same results can be expected,

> again all things being equal. This is what i have

> seen

> thus far.

>

> There is more, but I just wanted to share a few of

> the

> things I have gleaned in my own practice and study

> of

> Jyotish.

>

> Please respond when you have the time.

>

> Salaam,

> Mu'Min

>

> --- sanjaytechnology

> wrote:

> > extramarital affairs, Romance supplemental to

> > Marriage

> > ==================================================

> >

> > As 5th-from-7th (11th house), shows the romantic,

> > poetic, child-

> > friendly, creative energies of the first marriage.

>

> > Depending on

> > condition of labha bhava (11th) and yuvati

> > bhava(7th), first

> > spouse's extramarital affairs may be indicated in

> > labha bhava

> > (11th). Extramarital affairs would occur only if

> > yuvati bhava

> > showed weakness or excess, and if unsettling

> > conditions applied in

> > labha bhava.

> >

> > One's own extramarital affairs, if any, are seen

> in

> > putra bhava, the

> > fifth rashi house.

> >

> > If you have cause to wonder whether the first

> spouse

> > is enjoying an

> > extramarital affair, check 11th house, 11th lord,

> > 11th navamsha,

> > dasha-bhukti, and transits to labha bhava.

> >

> > As 5th-from-7th, labha bhava also signifies the

> > first spouse's

> > children from previous marriage - especially the

> > first spouse's

> > oldest child.

> >

> > --

> >

> > For example if VENUS is in PISCES in 7th (excess)

> > would show an

> > excessive libidinous spouse in 7th, then check for

> > unsettling

> > conditions in 11th or LORD of 11th. so for a 7th

> > PISCES, CANCER

> > would be the 11th sign and MARS in 11th qould

> > indicate a good

> > possibility for an extra marital affair of you

> > spouse.

> >

> > Other examples is a debilitated VENUS in 11th.

> >

> > Hope all this helps.

> >

> > P.S: I will beposting some powerful concepts of

> Budh

> > and its

> > relationship with other planets based on my own

> > derivations as soon

> > as I get more time off from my schedule to help

> > everyone.

> >

> > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

> >

> > Regards.

> >

> > --Sanjay

> >

 

 

=====

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Great to see you here again- just wanted to greet you! Cannot resist thought-

11th and and 'love received', I've always loved that excellent __expression, as

much as you do, as I see now! "Offender's" 11th is Ok, but SanjayA mentioned 5th

for the native? 'Love given'?

/I've seen Rahu in 11th, for

 

'permanent wondering eye affliction'

 

as per my friend, and much worse along that line,LOL/

What about the 'lowest' /my opinion/ 'worst' of Kama houses- third?

 

I also wait for Sanjay Rath to open his magic box and share his knowledge on

this issue /since ultimate test has been posted/

In a meantime,

Please do share more!

Warmest wishes, Mu'Min,

Anna

Mu'Min Bey <mumin_bey > wrote:

Hi Again Sanjay,Thanks so much for your thoughts on the matter of the11th house

in terms of relationship analysis. I misunderstood your original post. You

suggested that for considering matters ofinfidelity on the part of the spouse,

that is to say,that the spouse is represented by the 7th house, thatthe 5th

house is to be examined. This 5th house, whenviewed from the 7th house, becomes

the 11th house. I took your post to mean the 11th house, from theperspective of

the native, represented by the Asc.Although I misunderstood your meaning,

nevertheless,my findings support the question on the part of aspouse to be a

11th house matter. The only differenceis that I was meaning if you had the

chart of theoffender in question; that way, you could look attheir 11th house.

Classical Jyotish canons

recognize this principle,calling the 11th house a "kama" (desire) house. Inthat

the 7th house is also a "kama" house, this againmakes sense; what we both are

considering is animbalance of one or the other, in order to determinewhether

one is inclined to "stray". In my examples I presented to you last week, I

hadthis thought in mind. In modern Western astrology, the idea of the 11thhouse

representing the concept of "love received" is apowerful one indeed. It is an

outgrowth, in sexualterms, of "friends" a classical designation in botheastern

and western systems. I have the Moon, very bright, in the 5th house, and Ihave

read that such a position inclines the native toget a spouse who is very much

in love with the native.Unless there are serious imbalances with a person's7th

in relation to their 5th, this will be the case. In the case of the examples I

mentioned, Clinton and aprivate female

case, not only was the 11th house interms of their trangressions, but so too was

the Dasasof the 11th lords and/or planets in the 11th inoperation at the time of

their affairs. I feel that this is a strong and clear breakview interms of

furthering my study of and work with jyotish.Thanks.Also, I wanted to ask you:

what are your views ofSexual Astrology, the appreciation of the Vedichoroscope

in terms of sexuality? I have studied manyclassics in this regard and have

found many aphorismsto be most helpful. I have also made a few "rules" ofmy own

- you will recall my thoughts concerning theSexual Houses of the Vedic horoscope

- and have a gooddegree of accuracy and success therein. I would bemost desirous

to hear from you your thoughts on thesematters, and how you integrate this

within the largercontext of horoscope matching for the purposes offruitful and

meaningful relationship building.

Thanks again for your thoughts. Salaam,Mu--- Sanjay Aggarwal

<sanjaytechnology >wrote:> Very sound and consistent analysis.> >

Regards. > > --Sanjay> > Mu'Min Bey <mumin_bey > wrote:> Hi Sanjay,>

> It's been awhile since we last talked. How are you? > > Thanks so much for

this very good information. Right> off the bat i can apply this info - I know a

woman> who> was cheating up a storm on her ex boyfriend. She has> Cap Lagna with

Jupiter Rx in Scorpio/11th house,> aspecting her Cancer Moon in the 7th. Mars is

in the> 5th house with 8th lord Sun, both in Taurus. > > Mars was running its

Dasa at the time all of this> came> out in the wash. Her chart clearly

suggested> affairs,> cheating on her boyfriend and the rest of it. > > But what

of former USA President Bill Clinton?> Surely,> he has had many affairs. Could

we have seen this in> his chart as well? We do know that Mercury, which is>

Lagnesh for him, is placed in the 11th house with> Saturn, which happens to be

the 5th lord!!! Both are> placed in the sign of Cancer, and its ruler is in>

the> 8th house of scandals, Moon, which in turn is placed> in the sexy sign of

Aries. Venus and Mars are in the> Virgo Lagna, and Mars is the lord of the 8th

house,> with Venus ruling the 9th, which I see as court and> legal issues.

Saturn gets MT strength from its sign> Aquarius, and therefore, we see again

the strong> efforts on the part of his political enemies to try> and take him

down. > > Sanjay, I have found in my study of Sexual> Astrological matters,

that the Sexual Houses of a> Vedic chart are typically the 5th, 8th and 12th>

houses. > > The 5th house represents one's style of sexual> expression, their

storehouse of "carnal knowledge". > > The 8th house represents one's sexual

energy, life> force overall, and animal magnetism. An abundance of> sexual

energy is almost always seen from this house,> from all my study.> > And the

12th house represents the extent to which> the> native will derive sexual

pleasure from the sexual> act. This house, also has a great deal to do with>

orgasmic functions, particularly with regard to> females. I have seen the

charts of many women who> have> had the 5th and/or the 8th houses strong, yet

had> very> difficult 12th houses, and got little if any> pleasure> out of sex

themselves, even if they were able to> give> much pleasure to their partners.

On the other hand,> in> the charts of women who have very

strong 12th> houses,> i have seen them get much pleasure from sex, with> them>

being extremely orgasmic. > > I have also found that a weakened 8th house in

the> chart of a male, especially combinated with> problematic placements of

Mars, Saturn and Ketu, can> suggest problems associated with impotence, either>

psychological in nature or in medical terms. > > Conversly, in the chart of a

female, rotating her> chart so that her 2nd house becomes her mate's 8th,> if>

the strong presence of debilitating malefics like> Saturn are there, the same

results can be expected,> again all things being equal. This is what i have>

seen> thus far. > > There is more, but I just wanted to share a few of> the>

things I have gleaned in my own practice and study> of> Jyotish. > > Please

respond when you have the time.

> > Salaam,> Mu'Min> > --- sanjaytechnology > wrote:> > extramarital affairs,

Romance supplemental to> > Marriage> >

==================================================> > > > As 5th-from-7th (11th

house), shows the romantic,> > poetic, child-> > friendly, creative energies of

the first marriage.> > > Depending on > > condition of labha bhava (11th) and

yuvati> > bhava(7th), first > > spouse's extramarital affairs may be indicated

in> > labha bhava > > (11th). Extramarital affairs would occur only if> >

yuvati bhava > > showed weakness or excess, and if unsettling> > conditions

applied in > > labha bhava.> > > > One's own extramarital affairs, if any, are

seen> in> > putra bhava, the > > fifth rashi house.> >

> > If you have cause to wonder whether the first> spouse> > is enjoying an > >

extramarital affair, check 11th house, 11th lord,> > 11th navamsha, > >

dasha-bhukti, and transits to labha bhava.> > > > As 5th-from-7th, labha bhava

also signifies the> > first spouse's > > children from previous marriage -

especially the> > first spouse's > > oldest child. > > > > --> > > > For

example if VENUS is in PISCES in 7th (excess)> > would show an > > excessive

libidinous spouse in 7th, then check for> > unsettling > > conditions in 11th

or LORD of 11th. so for a 7th> > PISCES, CANCER > > would be the 11th sign and

MARS in 11th qould> > indicate a good > > possibility for an extra marital

affair of you> > spouse. > > > > Other

examples is a debilitated VENUS in 11th.> > > > Hope all this helps. > > > >

P.S: I will beposting some powerful concepts of> Budh> > and its > >

relationship with other planets based on my own> > derivations as soon > > as I

get more time off from my schedule to help> > everyone. > > > > Aum Shanti

Shanti Shanti. > > > > Regards. > > > > --Sanjay> > =====Mu'Min M. BeyWestern

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Hare Rama Krishan,

 

Namaste Mu'Min Ji,

 

It was good to see you back in the List after a while.

I have read your messages and contributions from the

rchives, so I can recognize you very well and thanks

for sharing knoweldge with us and especially a beginner

like me will benefit from those message.

 

Let me attempt to give some answers to your questions

regarding the relationships and sexuality.

 

I have just finished listenting to the recent Relationship

seminar CD's few times, which will answer all of your

questions. In that seminar Sanjay Ji, Visti Ji and Shiv

Pujan Ji have explained many methods techinques about

Love, Marriage and Relationships.

 

Summary is: "Sambandha" (Moon's placement) to be seen

from the marriage compatability point of view as well.

As I have seen this is much simpler and most powerful

tool to give accurate results than all the Kuta systems.

 

Regarding Sexuality, Navamsa can be used as a tool to

identify the sexuality of the native in a great detail.

Trust me, after learning the techniques/methods from

this seminar, I have recognized, there are no secrets

left, if the Navamsa Lagna is correct. I also read

somewhere that, the "Somnath Drekkana" is the key to

find the Sexuality of a native.

 

I recommend to get the recent seminar CD's from Lakshmi Ji

if you live in USA.

 

I am sure, you may be aware of the above, if not I hope

the above pointers may be of some help to you.

 

Regards

Raghunadha Rao

 

vedic astrology, Mu'Min Bey <mumin_bey>

wrote:

> Hi Again Sanjay,

>

> Thanks so much for your thoughts on the matter of the

> 11th house in terms of relationship analysis.

>

> I misunderstood your original post.

>

> You suggested that for considering matters of

> infidelity on the part of the spouse, that is to say,

> that the spouse is represented by the 7th house, that

> the 5th house is to be examined. This 5th house, when

> viewed from the 7th house, becomes the 11th house.

>

> I took your post to mean the 11th house, from the

> perspective of the native, represented by the Asc.

> Although I misunderstood your meaning, nevertheless,

> my findings support the question on the part of a

> spouse to be a 11th house matter. The only difference

> is that I was meaning if you had the chart of the

> offender in question; that way, you could look at

> their 11th house.

>

> Classical Jyotish canons recognize this principle,

> calling the 11th house a "kama" (desire) house. In

> that the 7th house is also a "kama" house, this again

> makes sense; what we both are considering is an

> imbalance of one or the other, in order to determine

> whether one is inclined to "stray".

>

> In my examples I presented to you last week, I had

> this thought in mind.

>

> In modern Western astrology, the idea of the 11th

> house representing the concept of "love received" is a

> powerful one indeed. It is an outgrowth, in sexual

> terms, of "friends" a classical designation in both

> eastern and western systems.

>

> I have the Moon, very bright, in the 5th house, and I

> have read that such a position inclines the native to

> get a spouse who is very much in love with the native.

> Unless there are serious imbalances with a person's

> 7th in relation to their 5th, this will be the case.

>

> In the case of the examples I mentioned, Clinton and a

> private female case, not only was the 11th house in

> terms of their trangressions, but so too was the Dasas

> of the 11th lords and/or planets in the 11th in

> operation at the time of their affairs.

>

> I feel that this is a strong and clear breakview in

> terms of furthering my study of and work with jyotish.

>

>

> Thanks.

>

> Also, I wanted to ask you: what are your views of

> Sexual Astrology, the appreciation of the Vedic

> horoscope in terms of sexuality? I have studied many

> classics in this regard and have found many aphorisms

> to be most helpful. I have also made a few "rules" of

> my own - you will recall my thoughts concerning the

> Sexual Houses of the Vedic horoscope - and have a good

> degree of accuracy and success therein. I would be

> most desirous to hear from you your thoughts on these

> matters, and how you integrate this within the larger

> context of horoscope matching for the purposes of

> fruitful and meaningful relationship building.

>

> Thanks again for your thoughts.

>

> Salaam,

> Mu

> --- Sanjay Aggarwal <sanjaytechnology>

> wrote:

> > Very sound and consistent analysis.

> >

> > Regards.

> >

> > --Sanjay

> >

> > Mu'Min Bey <mumin_bey> wrote:

> > Hi Sanjay,

> >

> > It's been awhile since we last talked. How are you?

> >

> > Thanks so much for this very good information. Right

> > off the bat i can apply this info - I know a woman

> > who

> > was cheating up a storm on her ex boyfriend. She has

> > Cap Lagna with Jupiter Rx in Scorpio/11th house,

> > aspecting her Cancer Moon in the 7th. Mars is in the

> > 5th house with 8th lord Sun, both in Taurus.

> >

> > Mars was running its Dasa at the time all of this

> > came

> > out in the wash. Her chart clearly suggested

> > affairs,

> > cheating on her boyfriend and the rest of it.

> >

> > But what of former USA President Bill Clinton?

> > Surely,

> > he has had many affairs. Could we have seen this in

> > his chart as well? We do know that Mercury, which is

> > Lagnesh for him, is placed in the 11th house with

> > Saturn, which happens to be the 5th lord!!! Both are

> > placed in the sign of Cancer, and its ruler is in

> > the

> > 8th house of scandals, Moon, which in turn is placed

> > in the sexy sign of Aries. Venus and Mars are in the

> > Virgo Lagna, and Mars is the lord of the 8th house,

> > with Venus ruling the 9th, which I see as court and

> > legal issues. Saturn gets MT strength from its sign

> > Aquarius, and therefore, we see again the strong

> > efforts on the part of his political enemies to try

> > and take him down.

> >

> > Sanjay, I have found in my study of Sexual

> > Astrological matters, that the Sexual Houses of a

> > Vedic chart are typically the 5th, 8th and 12th

> > houses.

> >

> > The 5th house represents one's style of sexual

> > expression, their storehouse of "carnal knowledge".

> >

> > The 8th house represents one's sexual energy, life

> > force overall, and animal magnetism. An abundance of

> > sexual energy is almost always seen from this house,

> > from all my study.

> >

> > And the 12th house represents the extent to which

> > the

> > native will derive sexual pleasure from the sexual

> > act. This house, also has a great deal to do with

> > orgasmic functions, particularly with regard to

> > females. I have seen the charts of many women who

> > have

> > had the 5th and/or the 8th houses strong, yet had

> > very

> > difficult 12th houses, and got little if any

> > pleasure

> > out of sex themselves, even if they were able to

> > give

> > much pleasure to their partners. On the other hand,

> > in

> > the charts of women who have very strong 12th

> > houses,

> > i have seen them get much pleasure from sex, with

> > them

> > being extremely orgasmic.

> >

> > I have also found that a weakened 8th house in the

> > chart of a male, especially combinated with

> > problematic placements of Mars, Saturn and Ketu, can

> > suggest problems associated with impotence, either

> > psychological in nature or in medical terms.

> >

> > Conversly, in the chart of a female, rotating her

> > chart so that her 2nd house becomes her mate's 8th,

> > if

> > the strong presence of debilitating malefics like

> > Saturn are there, the same results can be expected,

> > again all things being equal. This is what i have

> > seen

> > thus far.

> >

> > There is more, but I just wanted to share a few of

> > the

> > things I have gleaned in my own practice and study

> > of

> > Jyotish.

> >

> > Please respond when you have the time.

> >

> > Salaam,

> > Mu'Min

> >

> > --- sanjaytechnology

> > wrote:

> > > extramarital affairs, Romance supplemental to

> > > Marriage

> > > ==================================================

> > >

> > > As 5th-from-7th (11th house), shows the romantic,

> > > poetic, child-

> > > friendly, creative energies of the first marriage.

> >

> > > Depending on

> > > condition of labha bhava (11th) and yuvati

> > > bhava(7th), first

> > > spouse's extramarital affairs may be indicated in

> > > labha bhava

> > > (11th). Extramarital affairs would occur only if

> > > yuvati bhava

> > > showed weakness or excess, and if unsettling

> > > conditions applied in

> > > labha bhava.

> > >

> > > One's own extramarital affairs, if any, are seen

> > in

> > > putra bhava, the

> > > fifth rashi house.

> > >

> > > If you have cause to wonder whether the first

> > spouse

> > > is enjoying an

> > > extramarital affair, check 11th house, 11th lord,

> > > 11th navamsha,

> > > dasha-bhukti, and transits to labha bhava.

> > >

> > > As 5th-from-7th, labha bhava also signifies the

> > > first spouse's

> > > children from previous marriage - especially the

> > > first spouse's

> > > oldest child.

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > > For example if VENUS is in PISCES in 7th (excess)

> > > would show an

> > > excessive libidinous spouse in 7th, then check for

> > > unsettling

> > > conditions in 11th or LORD of 11th. so for a 7th

> > > PISCES, CANCER

> > > would be the 11th sign and MARS in 11th qould

> > > indicate a good

> > > possibility for an extra marital affair of you

> > > spouse.

> > >

> > > Other examples is a debilitated VENUS in 11th.

> > >

> > > Hope all this helps.

> > >

> > > P.S: I will beposting some powerful concepts of

> > Budh

> > > and its

> > > relationship with other planets based on my own

> > > derivations as soon

> > > as I get more time off from my schedule to help

> > > everyone.

> > >

> > > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

> > >

> > > Regards.

> > >

> > > --Sanjay

> > >

>

>

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