Guest guest Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Dear Pradeep, Yes! There is a logic behind every division. Try to relate properties of signs with divisions and you will get the answer. For example, signs are fiery, earthy, airy, watery and signs are also moveable, fixed and dual. In D3 Aries 1st part is Aries, 2nd Leo and 3rd Sagittarius. Aries the, fiery sign consists of not only of itself but also the other two fiery signs which are also Kshatriya signs and rule east direction. But fist part is moveable, 2nd fixed and 3rd dual. When we look at planets position in D3 chart we are using a filter glass on our eyes to see only these qualities and leaving out others. And when we use D3 we will see only these for those some aspects of life for which they are relevant. See what we discern from D3 charts. Similarly in D4 chart all the moveble signs consist of other moveable signs, fixed signs consist of other fixed signs and so on and what we interpret from D4 are properties moveble or fixed or of dual character. (house, cattle, investments). This was written just to give a hint and you will have to delve deep in the initial chapters of BPHS to get the relevance more clear. Best Wishes Shiv Chadha www.vedicweb.com/Manorama.htm Significators in Astrology by Shiv Kumar Chadha Astrological Magazine Annual Issue 2004 - vijayadas_pradeep vedic astrology Thursday, December 25, 2003 1:17 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Parashari-Jaimini ! (to Sri Chandrasekhar Ji) Dear Chandrashekhar jiI was bit curious about the logic behind divisions within a Rashi.Each rashi can be divided further into 9,10,24,60 etc starting from aries until pisces and then aries again.Have you come across any reasons for this during ur experiments with astrology.I have asked a qstn cpl of days back addressed to Narasimha Raoji.It is difficult to find logic behind every usage and may not be needed as well.Still just out of curiousity.Becuase this could help us understand the validity of aspects within divisional charts.Thanks in advancePradeep vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Sathiyanarayana,> Since you know the source where it is available, find out if Uttara > Parasaryam is available. If so, it could also be a commentary on Brihat > Parashara Hora Shastra.> Chandrashekhar.> > Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:> > > Dear shri. Chandrashekhar,> > > > Thank you for your advices, now I understand that> > > > ' POORVA PARASARYAM ' is available at> > SARASWATHY MAHAL at Thanjavour , Tamil Nadu> > INDIA.> > With regards,> > D. Sathiyanarayana Gupta .> >> >> > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:> >> > Dear Sathiyanarayana,> > Not having read the text, I can not comment on it. However as the> > name> > suggests it might be a compilation of various shlokas, supposed to be> > written/recited prior to the days of Parashara. There not being any> > Uttara Parasaryam, it obviously is not first Skanda of texts/shlokas> > attributed to Parashara. Or at least this is what I would infer> > from the> > title of the text.> > Regards,> > Chandrashekhar.> >> >> > Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:> >> > >> > >> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:> > >> > > Dear Vishwanadham,> > > Thank you. Various pravartakas elaborated upon the divine> > science> > > which> > > is said to have descended from the Lord Mahadeo. They did> > not , in> > > fact,> > > give different systems. What each did was give different> > > perspectives,> > > on the basis of the same basics.> > > Unfortunately astrologers started giving one or other Rishi the> > > credit> > > as originator of Jyotish and started swearing by one system or> > > another.> > > The fact that none of the Gurus or their direct shishya lineage,> > > who had> > > the advantage of learning from their Guru, is available to> > explain> > > the> > > true meaning of shlokas has added to the confusion. One has> > also to> > > understand that many sages of same name wrote different> > Vedangas.> > > This> > > has led many to ascribe the authorship of the text favoured by> > > one to> > > the most ancient of them and thus claiming the text to be the> > > origin of> > > Jyotish. It is very well to equate Surya mentioned as one of> > the> > > pravartakas but the fact remains that it might be reference> > to the> > > writer of Surya Siddhanta and so on. Sages were refered to> > by their> > > Gotra, place of residence and even their colour, different> > names> > > being> > > used to describe the same person. This should not be forgotten.> > > Many a> > > times titles were conferred upon them and therefore, that it is> > > difficult to establish antiquity of the Sages remains a fact.> > > There are also different versions of the same texts in> > > circulation. It> > > might be fashionable to claim to be follower of one system or> > > other, but> > > the fact remains that Jyotish is based on sound principles> > and all> > > the> > > sages gave instructions in words that they thought their> > students> > > will> > > comprehend better. This is why you will find the texts referring> > > to the> > > opinion of others with equal respect.> > > As I said earlier one should follow the system that he has> > understood> > > the basics of, and can apply them to real life horoscopes.> > > Hope this helps.> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > Dear pedagogues,> > >> > > kindly elucidate as to wheather 'POORVA PARASARYAM' is the> > > teachings of POOJYASHRI. sage PARASARA to his disciples or> > > otherwise .> > >> > > May DEVA GURU'S blessings shall dawn on us.> > >> > > D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.> > >> > > H S Viswanadham wrote:> > >> > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > >> > > > Dear Chandrasekhar Ji,> > > >> > > > Your longish mails are very informative. Pls keep writing> > longish> > > > ones. At the end of the last mail you were saying it> > became too> > > long.> > > > It was a good mail. Now your clarification is still better.> > > >> > > > i also feel that people using True nodes & using different> > > ayanamsas> > > > are sticking to their own basics ( if i may say so!).> > > >> > > > From what you said, can we speculate that the other Rishis> > whose> > > works> > > > are lost were using different 'systems'. What could be> > the root of> > > > all this?> > > >> > > > Many thanks and best regards> > > > viswanadham> > > >> > > > */Anna <bona_mente>/* wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Chandrashekar,> > > > I have read carefully..> > > > Thank you.> > > > Anna> > > >> > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Anna,> > > > I am sorry that you appear to be shocked with my> > opinions. I> > > > would like> > > > you to read what I have said carefully again. You> > will find> > > > that I have> > > > already clarified that one should use the system> > that one is> > > > comfortable> > > > with, and have also said that different Rishis> > devised> > > different> > > > systems. If you read the mail in its entirety, you> > will> > > > understand that> > > > I am not saying anything contradictory to what is> > > taught,but> > > > am trying> > > > to indicate how the teachings are to be used. I merely> > > say that> > > > application of different system without> > understanding the> > > > logic behind> > > > them could lead one to a wrong prediction. An example> > > would be> > > > Prashna> > > > Marga of deciding Aarudha based on the location of the> > > querist> > > > or his> > > > placing a piece of Gold on a particular direction> > on the> > > > circular chart.> > > > Now would you say Aarudha arrived at by this> > method can> > > use the> > > > principles of Aarudha defined by Parashara and one> > will> > > arrive at> > > > correct predictions? Or can Aarudha arrived at by> > using> > > Parashara> > > > principles will give correct predictions when it> > is used to> > > > arrive at> > > > conclusions based on the results given in Prashna> > Marga?> > > I am> > > > certain> > > > you will not. Similarly can Gulika and Mandi at> > different> > > > points of> > > > reference be used when applying Jaataka Paarijata> > > parameters,> > > > when the> > > > text states specifically that they are synonyms of> > the same> > > > upagraha?> > > > The logic behind what I wrote will be clear to you.> > > > Regards,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > Anna wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Chandrashekar,> > > > > You raised serious issues here, indeed. I just> > copied some> > > > parts,> > > > > although the entire post questions in fact all we've> > > learnt> > > > here, so far.> > > > > You said:*_You can not apply say Metric system to> > > > manufacture a bolt> > > > > and BSW for the nut , they would never fit> > properly._*> > > > >> > > > > You imply that wrt. rashi dristi, aroodas, that> > we are> > > > thought to use> > > > > along with graha dristi etc..I feel this is> > rather serious> > > > and wish if> > > > > could see more comments on this- this is in fact> > the first> > > > time I see> > > > > on THIS list such a view; implications would be> > > far-reaching> > > > with lots> > > > > of fundamental questions raised.> > > > >> > > > > Thank You.> > > > >> > > > > Best regards,> > > > >> > > > > Anna> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > *There are many systems based on the experience> > of the> > > > Rishis, who> > > > > formulated them...*> > > > > **> > > > > * one> > > > > predicts on the basis of Planet drishty and when the> > > > prediction goes> > > > > wrong one takes recourse to explaining away the> > reason of> > > > the failure by> > > > > application of Rasi drishty. 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Guest guest Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 Dear Shiv Chadha Ji The clues from your mail were very inspiring.I checked my chart for understanding your explanations.For eg.If a planet is in a movable sign in rashi, say 10(capri) then when we divide this into 4(D4),the planets residing will fall only in movable signs (1,4,7 or 10) in D4. Similar was the case for other fixed and dual signs.D3 positions were also verified as per your corresponding logic. Thus i have learned that i have to research more to understand the basics. But i will put down what i have understood. 1)Divisional charts should be used only along with Rashi.Never in isolation.There is no meaning otherwise. 2)Significance for divisional charts lies just in identifying the nature of signs in which each planet is residing. For eg if it is D-4,If Venus is in a fixed sign - it could relate to a fixed property having qualities of Venus.I cannot understand even the concept of Bhavas or Aspects in Divisional charts.Hence i beleive trying to find bhavas in divisional charts cannot be helpful.Kindly correct me.For eg it may be just representing the scatter of planets present in a single rashi vis-a-vis corresponding divisions within that Rashi. Also i have found that in the most imp divisional chart Navamsha,for some signs the navamsha counting starts from itself - in my case when capricorn, navamsha starts from Capri itself.For some signs it starts from the fifth while for others it starts from the ninth.I have used the degree,Pada,Rashi sign and Navamsha in my chart to find this.What could be the significance of this.I will read more ,sorry for asking this qstn.If this can be answered in 2-3 lines then its fine else i will read as you have advised. Thanks a lot for the great help. Pradeep (Chandrashekhar Ji if you are reading this mail kindly review my understandings.) vedic astrology, "Manoramaoccult" <manoramaoccult@h...> wrote: > Dear Pradeep, > > Yes! There is a logic behind every division. Try to relate properties of signs with divisions and you will get the answer. For example, signs are fiery, earthy, airy, watery and signs are also moveable, fixed and dual. In D3 Aries 1st part is Aries, 2nd Leo and 3rd Sagittarius. Aries the, fiery sign consists of not only of itself but also the other two fiery signs which are also Kshatriya signs and rule east direction. But fist part is moveable, 2nd fixed and 3rd dual. When we look at planets position in D3 chart we are using a filter glass on our eyes to see only these qualities and leaving out others. And when we use D3 we will see only these for those some aspects of life for which they are relevant. See what we discern from D3 charts. > > Similarly in D4 chart all the moveble signs consist of other moveable signs, fixed signs consist of other fixed signs and so on and what we interpret from D4 are properties moveble or fixed or of dual character. (house, cattle, investments). This was written just to give a hint and you will have to delve deep in the initial chapters of BPHS to get the relevance more clear. > > Best Wishes > > Shiv Chadha > www.vedicweb.com/Manorama.htm > Significators in Astrology by Shiv Kumar Chadha > Astrological Magazine Annual Issue 2004 > > - > vijayadas_pradeep > vedic astrology > Thursday, December 25, 2003 1:17 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Parashari-Jaimini ! (to Sri Chandrasekhar Ji) > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > I was bit curious about the logic behind divisions within a > Rashi.Each rashi can be divided further into 9,10,24,60 etc starting > from aries until pisces and then aries again.Have you come across > any reasons for this during ur experiments with astrology.I have > asked a qstn cpl of days back addressed to Narasimha Raoji.It is > difficult to find logic behind every usage and may not be needed as > well.Still just out of curiousity.Becuase this could help us > understand the validity of aspects within divisional charts. > > Thanks in advance > Pradeep > > vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > wrote: > > Dear Sathiyanarayana, > > Since you know the source where it is available, find out if > Uttara > > Parasaryam is available. If so, it could also be a commentary on > Brihat > > Parashara Hora Shastra. > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote: > > > > > Dear shri. Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > Thank you for your advices, now I understand that > > > > > > ' POORVA PARASARYAM ' is available at > > > SARASWATHY MAHAL at Thanjavour , Tamil Nadu > > > INDIA. > > > With regards, > > > D. Sathiyanarayana Gupta . > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sathiyanarayana, > > > Not having read the text, I can not comment on it. However > as the > > > name > > > suggests it might be a compilation of various shlokas, > supposed to be > > > written/recited prior to the days of Parashara. There not > being any > > > Uttara Parasaryam, it obviously is not first Skanda of > texts/shlokas > > > attributed to Parashara. Or at least this is what I would > infer > > > from the > > > title of the text. > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vishwanadham, > > > > Thank you. Various pravartakas elaborated upon the > divine > > > science > > > > which > > > > is said to have descended from the Lord Mahadeo. They > did > > > not , in > > > > fact, > > > > give different systems. What each did was give > different > > > > perspectives, > > > > on the basis of the same basics. > > > > Unfortunately astrologers started giving one or other > Rishi the > > > > credit > > > > as originator of Jyotish and started swearing by one > system or > > > > another. > > > > The fact that none of the Gurus or their direct > shishya lineage, > > > > who had > > > > the advantage of learning from their Guru, is > available to > > > explain > > > > the > > > > true meaning of shlokas has added to the confusion. > One has > > > also to > > > > understand that many sages of same name wrote different > > > Vedangas. > > > > This > > > > has led many to ascribe the authorship of the text > favoured by > > > > one to > > > > the most ancient of them and thus claiming the text to > be the > > > > origin of > > > > Jyotish. It is very well to equate Surya mentioned as > one of > > > the > > > > pravartakas but the fact remains that it might be > reference > > > to the > > > > writer of Surya Siddhanta and so on. Sages were > refered to > > > by their > > > > Gotra, place of residence and even their colour, > different > > > names > > > > being > > > > used to describe the same person. This should not be > forgotten. > > > > Many a > > > > times titles were conferred upon them and therefore, > that it is > > > > difficult to establish antiquity of the Sages remains > a fact. > > > > There are also different versions of the same texts in > > > > circulation. It > > > > might be fashionable to claim to be follower of one > system or > > > > other, but > > > > the fact remains that Jyotish is based on sound > principles > > > and all > > > > the > > > > sages gave instructions in words that they thought > their > > > students > > > > will > > > > comprehend better. This is why you will find the texts > referring > > > > to the > > > > opinion of others with equal respect. > > > > As I said earlier one should follow the system that he > has > > > understood > > > > the basics of, and can apply them to real life > horoscopes. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Dear pedagogues, > > > > > > > > kindly elucidate as to wheather 'POORVA PARASARYAM' is > the > > > > teachings of POOJYASHRI. sage PARASARA to his > disciples or > > > > otherwise . > > > > > > > > May DEVA GURU'S blessings shall dawn on us. > > > > > > > > D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta. > > > > > > > > H S Viswanadham wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekhar Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Your longish mails are very informative. Pls keep > writing > > > longish > > > > > ones. At the end of the last mail you were saying it > > > became too > > > > long. > > > > > It was a good mail. Now your clarification is still > better. > > > > > > > > > > i also feel that people using True nodes & using > different > > > > ayanamsas > > > > > are sticking to their own basics ( if i may say so!). > > > > > > > > > > From what you said, can we speculate that the other > Rishis > > > whose > > > > works > > > > > are lost were using different 'systems'. What could > be > > > the root of > > > > > all this? > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks and best regards > > > > > viswanadham > > > > > > > > > > */Anna <bona_mente>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekar, > > > > > I have read carefully.. > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > I am sorry that you appear to be shocked > with my > > > opinions. I > > > > > would like > > > > > you to read what I have said carefully > again. You > > > will find > > > > > that I have > > > > > already clarified that one should use the > system > > > that one is > > > > > comfortable > > > > > with, and have also said that different > Rishis > > > devised > > > > different > > > > > systems. If you read the mail in its > entirety, you > > > will > > > > > understand that > > > > > I am not saying anything contradictory to > what is > > > > taught,but > > > > > am trying > > > > > to indicate how the teachings are to be > used. I merely > > > > say that > > > > > application of different system without > > > understanding the > > > > > logic behind > > > > > them could lead one to a wrong prediction. > An example > > > > would be > > > > > Prashna > > > > > Marga of deciding Aarudha based on the > location of the > > > > querist > > > > > or his > > > > > placing a piece of Gold on a particular > direction > > > on the > > > > > circular chart. > > > > > Now would you say Aarudha arrived at by this > > > method can > > > > use the > > > > > principles of Aarudha defined by Parashara > and one > > > will > > > > arrive at > > > > > correct predictions? Or can Aarudha arrived > at by > > > using > > > > Parashara > > > > > principles will give correct predictions > when it > > > is used to > > > > > arrive at > > > > > conclusions based on the results given in > Prashna > > > Marga? > > > > I am > > > > > certain > > > > > you will not. Similarly can Gulika and > Mandi at > > > different > > > > > points of > > > > > reference be used when applying Jaataka > Paarijata > > > > parameters, > > > > > when the > > > > > text states specifically that they are > synonyms of > > > the same > > > > > upagraha? > > > > > The logic behind what I wrote will be clear > to you. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > Anna wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekar, > > > > > > You raised serious issues here, indeed. I > just > > > copied some > > > > > parts, > > > > > > although the entire post questions in fact > all we've > > > > learnt > > > > > here, so far. > > > > > > You said:*_You can not apply say Metric > system to > > > > > manufacture a bolt > > > > > > and BSW for the nut , they would never fit > > > properly._* > > > > > > > > > > > > You imply that wrt. rashi dristi, aroodas, > that > > > we are > > > > > thought to use > > > > > > along with graha dristi etc..I feel this is > > > rather serious > > > > > and wish if > > > > > > could see more comments on this- this is > in fact > > > the first > > > > > time I see > > > > > > on THIS list such a view; implications > would be > > > > far-reaching > > > > > with lots > > > > > > of fundamental questions raised. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *There are many systems based on the > experience > > > of the > > > > > Rishis, who > > > > > > formulated them...* > > > > > > ** > > > > > > * one > > > > > > predicts on the basis of Planet drishty > and when the > > > > > prediction goes > > > > > > wrong one takes recourse to explaining > away the > > > reason of > > > > > the failure by > > > > > > application of Rasi drishty. Same is the > case > > > with use of > > > > > Aarudhas, > > > > > > Karakamsha, Divisional charts etc. One > should have a > > > > uniform > > > > > approach to > > > > > > any chart one analyses. _You can not apply > say > > > Metric > > > > system to > > > > > > manufacture a bolt and BSW for the nut , > they > > > would never > > > > > fit properly._ > > > > > > * > > > > > > ** > > > > > > *Not much work has been done on Aarudhas > and other > > > > > parameters even by the > > > > > > ancient sages and ...This does not mean > that the > > > concept > > > > > carries no > > > > > > substance, only that > > > > > > exahaustive work has not been done on this > aspect. > > > > _Even the > > > > > major yogas > > > > > > are not based on these concept and as such > it is > > > difficult > > > > > to know the > > > > > > correct method of their application._ It > is very > > > well > > > > to wax > > > > > eloquent on > > > > > > their applicability and the principles > behind such > > > > practice, > > > > > it is > > > > > > another matter giving Authentic quotes from > > > standard texts > > > > > to support > > > > > > the premise. > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ ---- > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > New Photos - easier uploading and > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://pa./*http://us.rd./evt=21260/*http://photos > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: > > > > > vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > > > > > vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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