Ketu in 12th from AL ? (Ramadasji)

September 22, 2003

Ha ha you are a amazing man, pls find my reply at the appropriate places as SJ:

also i havent grasped the whole thing that u were conveying of the original

thread of Ketu in 12th from AL and in order not to be repetitive I shall think

more on it and write to u personally.

Reply as SJ:

om namo näräyaëäya

Dear Sunil,

I am also of the same opinion about Moksha.If anybody is asking whether I will

get Moksha,then it is a desire and such persons may not get Moksha .

SJ: Thanks Ramadasji, for confirming ur views on Moksha, I guess on the back of

my mind i knew urs & Chandrashekharji's views but was afraid i would receive

hate mail from many but so far non, sorry to anyone if i hurt for me being

frank.

I have very high honor for you both in my life.

Now as I said you previously,Ketu in 12th from AL makes a person spends lavishly

and sometimes even he/she may borrow some money for spiritua activities,spending

on charities etc.The reason is Ketu does not have any wish and will deprive of

everything.Rahu is the giver and Ketu is the taker.

SJ: Not trying to argue for the sake of argument, but i think i am getting what

u are saying, what u are saying is that Rahu is the "Giver" of eg material

comforts, so if the giver is in the 12th house of losses from AL, then surely

there shall be loss of material comforts thereby leading to spiritual path.

Now with the same logic, if Ketu is the "Taker", lets say it takes away what ??

material comforts, expenses on the karaka it represents, ok will think more on

this Sir.

this is the difference bertween Rahu and Ketu.Just see if anybody have Ketu in

12th from AL and see their life.In their life sufferings are more than

happiness.

SJ: If anyone has this kind of chart or know of someone could they kindly send

it to me privately - Ketu in 12th from AL. subject heading.

Guru is the planet of religion but his position in 12th from AL makes a person

spend a lot money on taxes and one's own expenses.This is what is given in

Jaimini's Upadesha sutras.The planets Rahu and Ketu tells about our Karmic

effects in this life.why you have born in this life is told by Rahu and Ketu.

SJ: U know i am beginner, but what i had heard so far from practising

astrologers is that Rahu is the one , I mean where "Rahu sits in the chart is

the area of main focus in life where mastery has to be attained" . I think SR

says that " the houses owned by the Hora lord in the chart is one of the main

focus.

But i think what u have said earlier makes some sense since personally i feel

even Ketu is demanding lot of attention where it sits in a chart.

I was wondering why if Rahu is the one who got the Amrut (nectar) then why does

that area require mastery if one goes by their thinking.

If one again goes by their thinking then Ketu is the headless one, the one who

didnt get amrut so logically it is there one needs to do mastery.

I know most members on this list do not agree to the theory that where Rahu sits

that is one of the main generally speaking reasons of birth. Am still

exploring.

Now you can check your chart and see where is Guru and as I remember he is in

12th from AL in Makara and so then think of my statements about Guru.

SJ: U made me blush here since u surprised me by giving my own example, yes I

pay way too much taxes than most people and unfortunately/incidentally I am

still paying taxes even though there has not been any earnings in the last 2

yrs.

U have rightly pointed out, i started paying attention to 12th from AL in terms

of Taxes after JK told me about this and its turns true, although i fail to

find the logic of Guru in terms of taxes.

Also Ramadasji, what i feel is I also spend a lot on things denoted by Jup, much

expenses on myself u said truly, also an excessive syndrome of books shopper

which i never read ) Since i buy mainly on spirituality/astrology i presume

Jup denotes this too.

Now in your chart,Rahu is Dhanu and Ketu in Mithuna and this indicates the past

life was spent on many communicative and intellectual activities.you had to

deal with others constantly and had to fulfil their expectations.In this life

desire for direct results leads to impatience.

SJ: Rightly said, very impatient. Also coming back to the earlier topic, I have

observed that it has been relationships where personal mastery is required for

me in this lifetime- i give Rahu the credit with my limited knowledge.

you are chosing a path of independence and isolation.

SJ: True can be very independent and suffer from self imposed isolation, a loner one can say

You will take a keen interest in public affairs but difficult to overreach

yourself.you will achive substantial esoteric knowledge or understanding ith or

without being too involved in occult.

SJ: yes i have noticed the last without being too involved, but i feel it is due

to the debilitation of Rahu Ketu in the 1/7 axis which Sanjayji has described as

some kind of esoteric spiritual yoga, but incidentally one of the Gurus in our

list has exaltation of the nodes in the 1/7 axis which again accordingly is a

very high spiritual yoga - I would like to research on it one day and see

where the difference between his chart and mine lies in terms of nature of

spirituality ( not extent). Would like to know ur views on this.

you will be very much interested in material things as well as human emotionalism.

SJ:: true

Now you see your lagna is occupied by Ketu and 7th is occupied by Rahu and this

indicates that marriage or partnership are extremely important in your life.

SJ: Pls correct me here, I think that this is the result of placement of Rahu in the 7th.

Your marriage partner or business partner will be more mature than you.You have

to work with a partner to get more maturity.

SJ: Yes marriage partner is one year older and corresponds with Rahu (foreign)

Yes most of my ex-business partners have been socialites/rich/very mature and I

have learnt a lot from them. Yes i agree i need more maturity and mentoring too

Are u saying this Ramadasji just with the presence of Rahu in the 7th????

You are very charming,diplomatic and polite in general expression or communication.

SJ: Yes known be extremely charming to both men and women and at the same time

very rude too. Do not possess a decent bone of diplomacy, which incidentally is

most essential in todays life. Do u think wearing Rahu stone would give me

diplomatic abilities.

Ketu in Lagna makes you sick very often.

SJ: Have an external strong composition but internal weak one due to bad habits

- so in a way u are right, I presume its the presence of Ketu in Gemini lagna

which creates this wide range of health - strong and weak at the same time.

I hope this helps you.

With Sri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

I hope this helps you.

Sunil John <suniljohn (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Ramadasji,

Namaste

If one goes by the logic earlier posted by other members then Rahu in 12th w.r

to AL will make the person renounce material comforts thereby leading to

spirituality since Rahu stands for material comforts.

If one goes by the same logic then Ketu in 12th from AL should make one renounce

spirituality as it is 12th from AL,

on other thoughts also as you pointed out it the house of expenses, thereby

making the native spend on spiritual matters. I tend to think ketu as spiritual

and Jup as religious pls correct.

If ketu is the tail of the serpent, doesnt the serpent energy lie at the tail of our spine.

Also i wonder if we should be worried about acheivement of moksha, since it can

lead to a desire of moksha, and I presume the sages say that desire can lead to

attachment, which is the opposite track.

Maybe if humans concentrate on being a karma yogi it can be far more productive

than running after moksha, helping others with true love is much higher than

acheiving moksha. Maybe since all of us are parts of God, we are in a way

acheiving proximity to God by helping others.

I hope I dont receive hate mail from members due to my above thoughts, I can be open for correction.

Coming back to the original query, how can Rahu and Ketu both seperately in 12th

from AL lead to spirituality or am i missing something subtle.

Best Love

Sunil John

PS: If i receive hate mail it would be nimitta for me to retire )

------- Original message -------From : Ramadas Rao Date : Sat, 20 Sep 2003

08:18:58 +0100 (BST)

` nmae naray[ay

om namo näräyaëäya

Dear Sunil,

Now just think of Ketu who is considered as tail and does not have any head.So

such a Ketu if in 12th from AL what can he do ? He will make a person spend

heavily on religious and spiritual matters and tends to lead him towards

Moksha.Here I have written that he tends only and it may not be necessarily

Moksha will be awaiting for him in this birth.

I hope this helps you.

With Sri Hari Vaayu Nama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Sunil John <suniljohn (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Ramadasji,

Greetings

If i may intervene in this thread and get tangential, if this is what happens

with Rahu in the 12/7th from AL, then what is the manifestation of Ketu in such

positions from AL.

Joy and Abundance to all

Sunil John

with Sri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

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September 22, 2003

dear sunil,

find attached herewith 2 charts for your reference.

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Sunil John

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Monday, September 22, 2003 6:26 PM

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