2- & Abhijeet, from MarkK. 12/29....re. Free Will vs Destiny

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I my simple opinion that it is the prevailing customary practice to

write on any horoscope beginning with the phrases " Janani Janma sowkianam ,

Vardhani Kulasampadaam Padhavi Poorvapunyanaam , Likhyate Janma Pathrika " .

>From the above phrase I understand that the status in the society is attained

by virtue of POORVAPUNYA in other words past contributions of the self together with

the accquired one from parents and pithru .

May I expect more light on the subject from my Jyothish colleagues .

With regards ,

-VedapuriBaskarabundulu . D . Sathiyanarayana Gupta .Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Abhijeet & All:This is a wonderful and very important question. It's a

question echoed byWestern educators especially in the field of child education.

How much of ayoung person's life is due to 'heredity' or destiny and how much

is due tonurturing, or free will?This is also an ancient and somewhat

unresolved Philosophical question.Philosophers of all ages have contemplated

whether individuals have freewill and if so, how much..?There are, however,

some recent developments in the field of consciousnesswhich may shed some light

on this important question.Recently, it's been proposed that the human state of

consciousness, calledpure consciousness is in fact intimately related to the

vacuum state inquantum physics. What is significant about this, if it's true,

is that,the field of

the vacuum state is literally a field of unlimited potential.If, therefore, a

person's consciousness is connected to this 'unlimited'field .... then

theoretically a person might have literally, unlimitedpotential...The problem

though is if we're not educated properly in either how to accessor develop this

state then even though we may believe in man's innate'power' to be free,

practically speaking, too often, practical experienceshows us that we are

extremely limited..Jyotish has a lot of potential to show in actuality, how

much freedom does aperson have. When a person has strong, powerful and

dominating, 'malefics'in their chart, then, predispositioned, patterns, or

thought forms of thesemalefic sorts dominate and the person's life reflects a

lot of fate.However, when we look at the benefics in our charts which represent

welldeveloped and/or in-tune human abilities or traits, then we find that

aperson

wields great creativity, inventiveness and power of human life.For me the

question is also, 'Is it possible to develop more free will orfreedom in life.

Or are we more ruled by the predetermined aspects oflife?'I believe however,

because it's the nature of life to grow and evolve thatwe are meant to grow

especially in the areas of our charts.If we have a weak or undeveloped Moon for

example, there are enumerablethings that we can do to strengthen and therefore

develop that emotionalside of us which we call the Moon.Then, there is the Sun

which is the primary significator of human 'will'.I believe, that the answer to

your question may also be solved by looking atthe different 'wills' or Sun's in

people's charts.A person's ability to apply themselves, exercise their will and

do andaccomplish are qualities of Sun power.It will be very easy to research

this. Take 100 people and ask them

abattery of self-confidence, 'willful' questions and you should be able tosee a

very highly significant correlation between their 'wills' and their'Suns'.Now,

if it is possible to strengthen the Sun's inside of us then maybe it'lleven be

possible to improve the 'will' and therefore the power of freedom inlife.But,

improving the Self or Sun is normally thought to be very difficult.From a

Psychology perspective, to be able to improve a person'sself-confidence when

the Father or Mother element in life was weak orabusive, is found to be very

difficult.However, there is a lot of new data which supports the fact that

individualswho have learned the classic yoga meditation, especially of

transcendentalmeditation have been able to grow in terms of self-confidence and

hence,strength of will and hence....greater freedom in life.I can understand

this theoretically, because the practice of meditation is apractice

that literally strengthens...or unfolds the normally latent andcertainly

undeveloped inner potential of the Self, or Sun.This is theoretically possible

especially since that research in quantummechanics has been able to show that

the state of pure consciousness inhuman life is identifiable with the unlimited

ground state of quantum fieldtheory.Practically, too, when you have the direct

experience of this technique ofmeditation, you do suddenly as if miraculously

feel stronger. You feel morefocused and your ability to act, to do and

accomplish is just suddenlystronger.There are also some other Vedic suggestions

that I've been personallysuggesting for those who are especially interested in

developing their'will', or freedom to act.In Vedic science there is a branch of

Vedic Knowledge call the Upanishads.This is one of the brances that specifically

deals with the Self.You'll come across such

passages as 'Aham brahmasmi' or 'I am the Totality',there.Other, classic

expressions include, ones about Brahman, as the ultimateReality and include for

example:'I am That and Thou art That and All this is That!'And though these

expressions, alone without the personal experience of thatfull potential of

Self-Sun power, are a little empty; however theseexpressions along with the

direct experience of the full potential of theSun, within... will produce

greater integration of Sun ....Self... tooneself and hence more freedom of

will!I have had good results sharing some of these, what may be

called'bahavioral modifications', especially with those who lack

self-confidenceand their Sun's in their charts are weak or undeveloped.Also,

there is another side to Jyotish which is very powerful in allowing usto

strength our Sun's, free will or Self.....And that is there are some details

within the chart that

indicate not onlywhere the weakness came from but also .... how we can and are

supposed tostrengthen ourSelves...For example let's say the Sun is debilatated

in Libra in the 10th house.And one is experiencing, primarily, the effects of

that Sun weakness at workor in one's career.It is certainly true that for such

a person even having a career, certainlya very dynamic and fulfilling one, are

lacking.So, the malefic configuration in the chart is definitely symbolic of

theproblem within and without.But, there's another way of looking at this

Jyotish situation.Because, not only are the malefics in our charts indicative

of our problemsbut they're also symbolic of our Jyotish solutions!!!Not only is

this person going to have debilitated.... experiences of lack ofself-confidence

at work, ...but he's also supposed to literally face and strengthen that Sun

there byexercising more self-will and growth

of Sun, Self power in his daily work!Though this may be hard, but with the

divine knowledges of things likemeditation, especially and the grace of the

Guru....all things are possible!There is a place inside that is a field of all

possibilities.And when you have that direct experience all kinds of imaginings

and beliefsare no longer necessary.So sorry for the long, length of this

response.I was just inspired by your question....and perhaps... by the

Moon'sTransit, today....into Pisces.... which is all about 'freedom' and

alsothere with Mars, also in Pisces!!!Jai Guru!Mark KincaidPS... for those of

you on this list who have not heard, I write a dailyJyotish Newsletter that

follows the daily transits as well as other aspectsof Jyotish. If you'd like

to please contact me personally at:m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com.The Newsletter

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vedic astrology> Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:29:22 -0000> To:

vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] Free Will vs

Destiny> > Hi List,> > Just want to discuss, how much free will a human being

has and can> change his destiny through once life time rather than just

blaming> everything on destiny/kismet ????? i think we humans have lot of> free

will because GOD has given has that capibility...> > Or even free will is

controlled by your destiny ???????????> > I dont know the answer myself, this

topic is open for discussion !!!> > Good luck to Indian Cricket Team !!!> >

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