Planet Debilitated and also retrograde ?

September 20, 2003

~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

Dear List members,

This is the excellent way of explaining Retro +

Debiliation of planets. I hope the members who were

unaware of this concept will understand easily.

Kindly accept my apologies, as in my last mail i

mentioned that Sat and mercury both are deb + retro.

It's only Merc that is Deb. + Retro, sat is only

retro. Actually I was doing some work and also talking

to somebody, so that resulted in error from my side.

Thanks to tanvir for explaining this concept in a very

simple manner, as he always does.

regards,

Neeraj Gupta

--- Tanvir <tanvir wrote:

> see how this explanation sounds...

>

> 1. exaltation is called 'uccha' - "high" in original

> sanskrit language. 'exaltation' is not the actual

> translation, it just means the idea to some degree.

> 'uccha' is the authentic term for this.

>

> 2. exaltation has a pick point where the planet is

> deeply exalted. we are taught that as much the

> planet goes closer to the pick point, as much

> strength it gets. in deepest exaltation point, it is

> of the maximum strength of its exaltation.

>

> 3. so we can say that it is like a slope/road going

> upwords which has the highest height at the pick

> point. [deepest exaltation.]

>

> 4. so a planet in exaltation sign is "going upwards"

> and upwards until it reaches the highest point in

> the slope.

>

> 5. similarly a planet in fallen sign "goes

> downwards" in the slope.

>

> 6. now retro planets are going backwards as seen

> from earth.

>

> 7. so if a planet goes backward in that slope [where

> it goes upwards in forward motion], it will rather

> go downwards in the backward motion.

>

> 7. thus the retro+exaltation=fallen [almost fallen

> as i said] can be explained.

>

> 8. similarly imagine a slope where a forward moving

> object will go downwards. now if the object moves

> backwards in that slope, it will move upwards.

>

> 9. thus, retro+fallen=almost exalted can be

> explained.

>

> this is how i view this.

>

> respectfully,

> tanvir

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> Tanvir Chowdhury

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> -

> Neeraj Gupta

> vedic astrology

> Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:17 AM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Planet Debilitated

> and also retrograde ?

>

> ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

>

> It's new for me that Retro+Debiliation gives some

> effects of exaltation. now I will have to re-study

> my

> chart. Seems to be a bit complicated to me know.

> As I

> have leo-lagna and sun exalted.

>

> Now saturn (6L and 7L) and Mercury (2L+11L) both

> are

> retro+deb in my chart. so lord of 5 houses will

> give

> result of exaltation and that too

> ruling..different..things..

>

> well its' complicated for me now..but will try to

> analyze from new reference...as learnt new

> concepts

> from you people.

>

> Thanks a lot

>

> regards,

>

> Neeraj Gupta

>

> --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote:

> > my opinion from my experiences so far [not

> > systematic research though]

> >

> > 1. retro + debilitated = exaltation to some

> degree

> > 2. retro + exalted = less strength, weak almost

> like

> > fallen, but little stronger than fallen

> actually.

> >

> > however matter #1 (retro+fallen) the planet cant

> be

> > really "trusted" for "sensitive matters" like

> > progeny, marriage etc. but material wise it will

> be

> > pretty okay. so i wholely support ramadas jee

> here.

> >

> > ps. another observation is that, sometimes retro

> > planets manifest things too fast and sometimes

> too

> > slow. crazy nature, cant be trusted...

> >

> > regards

> > tanvir

> >

> > What can not happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > Tanvir Chowdhury

> > Mail tanvir

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September 20, 2003

~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

Respected Ramdasji,

May I request you to kindly comment on Mercury (AK) in

my chart, which is debiliated, retro, placed in

dusthanas and joining malefic (ketu). My details are

as follows:

D.o.B - 14-april-1978

T.o.B - 15:33 PM

P.o.B - New Delhi, India

However, I am also attaching the chart with this mail.

Kind regards,

Neeraj Gupta

--- Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote:

>

> ` nmae naray[ay

>

> om namo näräyaëäya

> Dear Neeraj,

> That is why I told you that it is a general

> interpretation only and I have to go through the

> chart and see which nakshatra it is placed and where

> is the nakshatra dispositor etc.have to be checked

> and then interpreted.

> With Sri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> Ramadas Rao.

>

> Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote:

> ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

>

> Respected Ramdas Ji,

>

> Please do not add Ji after my name, as I am just a

> student of Vedic Astrology and you are respected

> gurudeva.

>

> No, my family did not suffer any grief on account of

> Co-born.

>

> Kind regards,

>

> Neeraj Gupta

>

> --- Ramadas Rao wrote:

> >

> > ` nmae naray[ay

> >

> > om namo näräyaëäya

> > Dear Neeraj Guptaji,

> > I dont have any charts having this combination

> > ie.,Budha ® and is debilitated ie.,Budha ® in

> > Mena Rasi.But a general interpretation is in this

> > case will be your family might have incurred grief

> > on account of your co-born or depending on other

> > planetary combinations,it may the loss or untimely

> > death of a co-born.

> > I hope this helps you.

> > With Sri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> > Ramadas Rao.

> >

> > Neeraj Gupta wrote:

> > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

> >

> > Respected Ramdasji,

> >

> > So does it means that Retro + Debiliated planets

> > work

> > in two areas, Spoiling one aspect and improving

> > another aspect. If you have any quote or from your

> > own

> > experience, Kindly comment on the effect of Retro

> +

> > Debiliated Mercury.

> >

> > warm regards,

> >

> > Neeraj Gupta

> > --- Ramadas Rao wrote:

> > >

> > > ` nmae naray[ay

> > >

> > > om namo näräyaëäya

> > > Dear Rameshji,

> > > I had given the Shlokas from an ancient classic

> > but

> > > the modern authors say these dictums have to be

> > > observed and then come to a conclusion,.now as

> you

> > > said Guru ® in Makara has to behave like as if

> > he

> > > is exalted.But my opinion is we have to look for

> > its

> > > dispositor Shani's position also.One observation

> > is

> > > difficulties in begetting children and one

> become

> > > exceedingly rich if Guru in retrogression

> occupies

> > > Makara Rasi.

> > > I hope this helps you.

> > > With Sri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

> > > Ramadas Rao.

> > >

> > > Ramesh Gangaramani

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> > >

> > > Dear Neeraj,

> > > I am quoting Ramdas Raoji "Guru® is in Makara

> > > which is equivalent to exalted". I am however

> not

> > > sure about the other combinations like exalted

> > retro

> > > if it is equivalent to debilitation and if

> > > Vargottama is equivalent to being in own house!

> > >

> > > Kind regards

> > >

> > > Ramesh

> > >

> > > >Neeraj Gupta

> > > >vedic astrology

> > > >Re: [vedic astrology] Planet

> Debilitated

> > > and also retrograde ?

> > > >Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:50:40 -0700 (PDT)

> > > >

> > > >~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

> > > >

> > > >Even I am trying to find out answer to this

> > > question,

> > > >but couldn't get it till now. I have Me (AK)

> > > >retrograde, debiliated, placed in 8th house

> > > >(Dusthanas) and also joined by a malefic planet

> > > Ketu.

> > > >

> > > >I have read that Retro planets give mixed

> > effects,

> > > >which are difficult to predict.

> > > >

> > > >I would also like to request gurus and senior

> > > members

> > > >to kindly explain the effect of Retro +

> > Debiliation

> > > of

> > > >planets.

> > > >

> > > >regards,

> > > >

> > > >Neeraj Gupta

> > >

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September 20, 2003

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

Dear Shr Ramadasji

Is this similar or same as Navtara Chakra? Do they also influence the dasa

periods of the planets posted in them, i.e. planet posted in sampath nakshtra

would good beneficial results?

Kind regards

Ramesh

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vedic astrology

Saturday, September 20, 2003 10:32 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Planet Debilitated and also retrograde ?

` nmae naray[ay

om namo näräyaëäya

Dear Raji,

>From Janma Nakshtra,2nd is Sampath-good,

3rd- Vipat -Bad,

4th - Kshema-Good,

5th-Pratyara- bad,

6th - Sadhaka- very good,

7th- Naidhana- Very Bad,

8th- Maitra- better,

9th- Parama Maitra-Good.

Like this count from 10th to 18th and 19th to 27th Nakshatras.

I hope this helps you.

With Sri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Rajeswari Shankar <rajeswarishankar > wrote:

Dear Rama Das Ji

>From Janma Nakshatra,what are the nakshatras are considered to be subha

nakshatras??(I mean like 2,3......)

Thanks

Raji

Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

` nmae naray[ay

om namo näräyaëäya

Dear Raji,

Nodes will never get direct and so this rule does not apply to them.

With Sri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Rajeswari Shankar <rajeswarishankar > wrote:

Dear List,

What about the nodes??Nodes are always retograted!!!!!!What about they are

retrograted+debliated??But people are having different opinions about the nodes

exaltation and debliation.

Thanks

Raji

Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 > wrote:

~ Om Namah Shivaya ~Respected Ramdasji,So does it means that Retro + Debiliated

planets workin two areas, Spoiling one aspect and improvinganother aspect. If

you have any quote or from your ownexperience, Kindly comment on the effect of

Retro +Debiliated Mercury. warm regards,Neeraj Gupta--- Ramadas Rao wrote:> > `

nmae naray[ay> > om namo näräyaëäya> Dear Rameshji,> I had given the Shlokas

from an ancient classic but> the modern authors say these dictums have to be>

observed and then come to a conclusion,.now as you> said Guru ® in Makara has

to behave like as if he> is exalted.But my opinion is we have to look for its>

dispositor Shani's position also.One observation is> difficulties in begetting

children and one become> exceedingly rich if Guru in retrogression occupies>

Makara Rasi.> I hope this helps you.> With Sri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,>

Ramadas Rao.> > Ramesh Gangaramani > wrote:> > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> >

Dear Neeraj,> I am quoting Ramdas Raoji "Guru® is in Makara> which is

equivalent to exalted". I am however not> sure about the other combinations

like exalted retro> if it is equivalent to debilitation and if> Vargottama is

equivalent to being in own house!> > Kind regards> > Ramesh> > > > > > >

Neeraj Gupta > >vedic astrology > >To:

vedic astrology > >Re: [vedic astrology] Planet

Debilitated> and also retrograde ? > >Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:50:40 -0700

(PDT) > > > >~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > >Even I am trying to find out answer to

this> question, > >but couldn't get it till now. I have Me (AK) > >retrograde,

debiliated, placed in 8th house > >(Dusthanas) and also joined by a malefic

planet> Ketu. > > > >I have read that Retro planets give mixed effects, >

>which are difficult to predict. > > > >I would also like to request gurus and

senior> members > >to kindly explain the effect of Retro + Debiliation> of >

>planets. > > > >regards, > > > >Neeraj Gupta > >

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September 21, 2003

` nmae naray[ay

om namo näräyaëäya

Dear Rameshji,

Yes,you can try interpreting charts during the Vimshottari Dasa periods.If the

Dasa lord is in a Sampath or Kshema or Sadhaka or Maitra or Parama Maitra

Tara,you may get almost good benefical results.but ofcourse you have to see the

Antara Lords also whether they are in Shubha Tara to Janma Nakshatra and

interpret the results.I also suggest you to see the planet's Shastyamsha deity

and then you see you may be able to interpret ina better way.

I hope this helps you.

With Sri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

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