Guest guest Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Hi Tanvir In your file there was sani stotram ( corrected ) in the last week but now this is missing. Will you please send me the file to my email thanks venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Dear Venkat Follow the Puranas. When you have Purans you dont have to see it anywhere else. If you want in audio form purchase it from Vedic source;the source dealing in Vedic literature.PadmaPurana has Shani Stotra. Please get the correct understanding of Shani through Purans. All internet sources are not authentic. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. AmolMandar vedic astrology, "venkat_tvm" <venkat_tvm> wrote: > Hi Tanvir > In your file there was sani stotram ( corrected ) in the last week > but now this is missing. Will you please send me the file to my email > thanks > venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Dear AmolMandar Jee, Namaste. The Sani Stotram has been taken from Brahmanda Purane. I have collected it from one site, then again saw the same Stotram in another site (hindunet.org). I compared them both and corrected some minor spelling-type flaws. Also I got a beautifully recited audio mp3 of it, which I listened to very carefully for many times and thus I was able to get the correct Stotra since there was no such very unfixable errors, I believe. Internet is a global medium which is making information very easy available to all. Same about Jyotish. If there was no net, Many of us could never receive teaching of Sanjay Jee and other great Gurus and fellow members. That would be a great lack and loss. That is why I believe we should take the benefit of this modern technology otherwise it would be a great loss for us. Here we can get a 5000 years old scripture within a minute, and discuss things with someone from another part of the world. We can easily download audios of divine Mantras, and excellent lectures of Gurus, and learn a lot from there. So I think we should take the advantage of this blessed technology. I believe, getting / buying hard copies of Puranas or buying mantra CDs is not possible for many of us. So the free materials available on the net can be great learning tool and show the ways to people who have no other choice. Still, to err is human being; so I know that it is possible to have errors in the Stotram or other materials. That is why I have always sought the kind guidence of learned members like you and other Gurus to correct any Stotra etc. It would surely be a great benefit for students like us if learned and fortunate members like you, who have hard copies / pure copies of Scriptures and Puranas would come forward to correct and guide the available online materials on the net which might have any possible flaws or errors in them. Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury tanvir http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro vedic astrology, "amolmandar" <amolmandar> wrote: > Dear Venkat > > Follow the Puranas. When you have Purans you dont have to see it > anywhere else. If you want in audio form purchase it from Vedic > source;the source dealing in Vedic literature.PadmaPurana has Shani > Stotra. Please get the correct understanding of Shani through Purans. > All internet sources are not authentic. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > AmolMandar > > > > vedic astrology, "venkat_tvm" > <venkat_tvm> wrote: > > Hi Tanvir > > In your file there was sani stotram ( corrected ) in the last week > > but now this is missing. Will you please send me the file to my > email > > thanks > > venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Dear Tanvir The stotra sung by King Dasharath is the correct stotra. There is no Dasharat rishi in Vedic litareture. Moreover the one which you have put is not Stuti of the Shani. Rather it gives what is to be done to avoid warth of the Shani. Read this one it will give you the Stuti of the Shani. King Dasharath sung this after his battle with Shani. Dasharath won that and still praised Shani. In summary, the one displayed at your site is not a Shani stotra in real sense. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. AmolMandar ______________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger http://uk.messenger./ Attachment: (application/rtf) shanistotram.rtf [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Dear Tanvir You seem to prove ME wrong rather than the stotra! Since your intentions are wrong, you tend to loose temper at times. You asked me that is why I had written my opinion. Now again you asked so I will give you the meaning of the stanzas one by one. You are aware of the word Stuti, rest you decide,think and then come to the conclusions. The stotra first shows the 'greatness' by showing how it creates problems when unfavourable. When you praise any one you dont tell how one creates problems in unfavourable condition. It seems that this stotra is more written for a person interested in Jyotish rather than ShaniDev. 1) Now lets start with the stotra. kono-antaka roudra-yama-tha babhruh krishnah shanih pingala manda sourih nityam smrito yo harate cha peedam tasmai namah shree ravi-nandanaya Gist:By regualr japa of the ten names given shani will steal away misfortune and sufferings.so Prostrations to Sri Ravinandana (Saturn). [Comment]This is stuti of Shani???? This is phalashruti and should have been at the end of stotra and not at the start. 2) sura asurah kim purusha ragendra gandharva vidyadhara panna-gash cha peedyanti sarve vishama-stitena tasmai namah shree ravi-nandanaya Gist:The unfavourable position of shani(vishama-stitena) makes gods,demons,gandharva,vidyadhar,snakes and all succumb to sufferings.So Prostrations to Sri Ravinandana. [Comment]See here it is clearly mentioned that what happens when it is unfavourable(vishama-stitena).This is stuti of Shani???? This is Jyotish about Shani and should have been in some astrological book. vishama-stitena is implicit in taking the Kundali into considerations. 3) nara narendra pashavo mrigendra vanyas-cha ye keeta-patanga-bringah peedyanti sarve vishama-stitena tasmai namah shree ravi-nandanaya Gist: Unfavourable position (vishama-stitena) brings agoney to everyone including kings and commoner,big animals and small insects and even humming bees. So Prostrations to Sri Ravinandana. [Comment]Agin vishama-stitena for other set.This is stuti of Shani???? More of Jyotish. 4) desah-cha durgani vanani Yatra sena-nivesah pura-pattnani peedyanti sarve visham-stitena tasmai namah shree ravi-nandanaya Gist:Unfavourable position brings sufferings to nations, bastions, houses and cities. So Prostrations to Sri Ravinandana. [Comment]Again vishama-stitena for third set. This is stuti of Shani???? Extra Jyotish. 5) tilairya-vair-masha gudanna danaih iohena neelambara danato va preenati mantrair-nijavasare cha tasmai namah shree ravi-nandanaya Gist: Give donations as sesame,chaval,black-gram, ricePudding, iron, blue cloth and japa on saturday appeases him so Prostrations to Sri Ravinandana. [Comment]Now here it gives remedy. This must be for Man not for Shani! This is stuti of Shani???? Remedial Jyotish!!! 6) anya-pradeshat swagriham pravishtas tadeeya-vare sa narah sukhe syat grihad gato yo na punah prayati tasmai namah sri ravi-nandanaya Gist: When in own house is good otherwise creates problems when leaves. Once gone returns after long time. so Prostrations to Sri Ravinandana. [Comment]More of Jyotish tahn stuti. This is stuti of Shani???? Pure Jyotish without impurity!!! 7) konasthah pingala babruh krishno roudroantako yamah sourih shanaish-charo manday pippalandena sam stutah Gist:So pippalada praises. [Comment]This is stuti of Shani???? 8) etani dasha-namani pratar-uthaya yah pathet shanaishchara-krita peeda na kadachid bhavishyati harih Om Gist: Early morning chanting of ten names will naver make you to suffer from the pain shani causes.This is stuti of Shani???? [Comment]All in all I found stuti as only the names of Shani given in first two lines.But focus is not that.Focus is to create fear and hence make everyone to Prostrate. So my dear think before you say. See, this happens when one tries to prove wrong the person rather than the theory. You want to learn from me and as well want to prove me wrong before learning fully! This is immposible.I have been handling such nasty and enthusiast students for almost 15 yeasrs.You can say all the bad and hopeless things about my knowledge but get clear about your knowledge and be confused about my knowledge. Gradually you will be alright with the Sanskrit world. Be Sanskrit and Sanskrit will be yours. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. AmolMandar vedic astrology, "Tanvir" <tanvir@s...> wrote: > Hello AmolMander jee, Greetings. > > Can you tell me why and how it is not even a 'Stuti' of Sani? If you would ever see the meaning you would never say that. From meaning, anyone would understand that it is doubtlessly a Stuti / hymn to Sani. It praises Sani and it's power, it's effect over everything - Gods, Demons, Emperors... how they suffer when Sani is not pleased with them. And almost in every stanzas it says, "Tasmai Namah Sri Ravinandanaya" - Offers prostations to Sri Ravinandanaya [saturn]. > > Then in which reason you are saying that it is not a Stuti of Saturn? Please tell me, I am very much eager to know and learn from you. > > I used to think that you are well versed in Sanskrit. But now I am confused. If you would read the Stotram, you would see how nicely it praises Sani, and almost in each stanzas it prostates before Sani Dev. It also mentions 10 names of Sani (Among others) and says that who would regular worship Shani with these names, Sani Dev would steal away his sufferings. > > "nityam smrito yo harate cha peeram > > tasmai namah shree ravi-nandanaya" > > > > And yes it does mention what is to do to avoid the wrath of Sani. But it does not disqualify it from being the Stuti of Stotram. I am very well aware of the meaning of the word 'Stuti'. I am not well versed in Mantras and Stotrams, but then whatever Stotras I have read, those experience and little knowledge say me that this Stotram is a very standard stuti of Sani. There is nothing lacking so that anyone can tell that it's not a stuti. > > > > So, please read the Stotram and see the meaning. Otherwise, if you have any difficulty understanding the meaning, then please feel free to let me know, I will send it to you here in the list. > > > > So your statement, "Moreover the one which you have put is not Stuti of the Shani. Rather it gives what is to be done to avoid warth of the Shani." is far away from the truth. It does praise Sani and has everything to be a stuti of Sani. I am almost sure that you did not even read the meaning, then how come such a knowledgeable person like you says that it is not a stuti, rather it says what to so to avoid Sani's wrath. Yes it says about doing things to avoid Sani's anger, but in only about one stanza. How could you overlook / ignore all other 9/10/11 stanzas and focuss only on that stanza forgetting what all other stanzas mean or say? > > > > Yesterday I got Sani Stotram in Devanagri Script in PDF format, and then I saw that the Sanskrit fonted Stotram is just the same stotram of this. This is very authentic for sure. I am sure that I would get more of the same Sani Stotram from other sites if I search for. Now does it mean that all the people are mistaking blindly? Or are they lying about this Stotram has been taken from the Brahmanda Purane? Are you sure that this Stotra is not there in the Purane? > > > > Or do you have any confusion that in the meaning, it is not praising Sani and someone else? Or it is saying something else than praising Sani? So why can not it be the Stuti of Saturn, please teach me. > > > > I am almost sure that you know this, but allow me to mention again. 'Rishi' means someone who visualize the mantra. That is why they are also called to be the "Seers of the mantras". This definition is held by many learned and I got same in the translation of the Stotram. King Dasharatha is clearly indicated thus and he needs not to be a Monk or Priest necessarily in this case. > > > > You have provided a Stotram of King Dashartha, telling "The stotra sung by King Dasharath is the correct stotra." Fine. But it does not mean all other Sani Stotram are false or incorrect. I would not agree, sorry. There are two Nav Grah Stotras, including the one by Vyasa Deva. But the existance of his Stotra does not prove the other one to be incorrect. > > > > Thanks a lot for your time and space. But I am sorry to say that I am not convinced, since I do not find anything good. If you have anyother points to to prove that this is not even the Stuti of Saturn, then please send. I would be more than willing to learn. > > > > Tanvir > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury > tanvir@s... > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > > - > Amol Mandar > vedic astrology > Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:53 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: sani stotram mp3 > > > Dear Tanvir > > The stotra sung by King Dasharath is the correct > stotra. There is no Dasharat rishi in Vedic > litareture. Moreover the one which you have put is not > Stuti of the Shani. Rather it gives what is to be done > to avoid warth of the Shani. > > Read this one it will give you the Stuti of the Shani. > King Dasharath sung this after his battle with Shani. > Dasharath won that and still praised Shani. > > In summary, the one displayed at your site is not a > Shani stotra in real sense. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > AmolMandar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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