Chaff and grain (Bush Inauguration Chart Article)

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Namaste Arun,

 

Thank you for the clarification. Instead of seeing the descriptions

as "husk" as you did, I would see them as "raw grains". Understanding

of the underlying principles, which comes from study, is akin to

the dishes made by *cooking* the grains.

 

That is why I said the challenge is to know how to separate one grain

from another (rather than grain from the chaff or husk, as the

original analogy mentioned) and to know how to cook various grains.

 

I am glad you basically agree that there is no "chaff" or "husk" in

the teachings of Parasara and Jaimini, in the sense of unimportant

and thrown away stuff.

 

If one says there is some stuff that needs to be processed and

understood deeper, I have no problems.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> Narasimha,

>

> I cannot show you something like that because I don't believe

> any "unimportant husk" exists in either Pasrashara's or Jaimini's

> work. Also, by the word remove, i didn't mean "throwing away", but

> the act of going within to understand the deeper meanings of the

> words.

>

> Let me illustrate it further, just so that it is clear. For example

> there can be many words that describe the planet or the energy Sun.

> But, all these words themselves are not the real Sun, but pointers

to

> the principle. Many descriptions are provided by the Maharishis to

> somehow get the student to understand the Principle of Sun. In the

> ultimate analysis, for a person who has completely understood the

> Principle of Sun, the descriptions are usless. The descriptions

> become husk for such a person.

>

> I hope this calrifies my earlier statement.

>

> Regards,

> Arun

>

> vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > Namaste Arun,

> >

> > Please show me one single example from Parasara, of

an "underlying

> > principle" and the unimportant "husk" surrounding it, which needs

> > to "removed".

> >

> > Please note that I am not interested in examples from other

authors

> > and interested only in examples from Parasara and Jaimini.

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

> >

> > > Dear Narasimha,

> > >

> > > I personally feel that the "chaff from the grain" analogy is

> quite

> > > apt.

> > >

> > > Rishis have always tried to capture Knowledge in mantras and

> > sutras.

> > > Realising that the vehicle requires regenerative capacity,

Truth

> is

> > > always encapsuled in words and phrases. This is similar to the

> > > beejakshara being encapsuled in a mantra. The real seeker will

be

> > > able to unravel the Truth through proper study. Thus, all

> classical

> > > texts have grains of wisdom clothed in words. The real student

is

> > one

> > > who knows how to remove the husk and understand the underlying

> > > principle.

> > >

> > > However, I also share the view that the classics don't contain

> > chaff

> > > that does not wrap around a sound principle.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Arun

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...>

wrote:

> > > > Pranaams Chandrashekhar ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > I do use ashtakavarga frequently.

> > > >

> > > > Some readers may misunderstand your "chaff and grain"

analogy.

> > Just

> > > > for their sake, I will re-iterate an important point.

> > > >

> > > > There is no "chaff" in the teachings of Parasara and Jaimini.

> They

> > > > are full of grains and only grains, no chaff whatsoever.

> > > >

> > > > Hence the challenge is not separating chaff from grain, but

> > > > separating one grain from another and knowing which grain is

> > needed

> > > > for making which food. If you are, for example, making bread

or

> > > > poori, you need wheat. If you are making Boondi laddu, you

need

> > > > channa dal (chick peas). If you are making Pongal, you need

> moong

> > > > dal and rice. If you are maing Idlis, you need urad dal and

> rice.

> > > > Similarly, each food needs a different grain.

> > > >

> > > > So the challenge is to know how to separate one grain from

> another

> > > > and to know which grain is used how.

> > > >

> > > > The same holds in JyotisSaastra or Jyotisha. Knowing the

> > difference

> > > > between various parameters taught by maharshis and knowing

which

> > > > is used how is the challenge.

> > > >

> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Dear Partha, Narasimha,

I would not have interfered in the lofty discussions but for the fact

that much is being made out of nothing.Since the "Chaff and Grain"

analogy that, initially, was used by me ; I feel an explanation is in

order. It is a pure and simple proverb used to indicate discrimination

between nonessential data and essential data. Nothing more nothing

less. If you like Sanskrit it is akin to the "Neera-Kshira Viveka".

About statements like husk in BPHS and so on, an unnecessary controversy

appears to be developing. If examples are to be given , it would be easy

as there are more than 8 versions of the text under print with different

sholaks appearing in different versions. Such challenges are not in

order. I think most of those who have studied BPHS are aware how the

text was compiled. To claim than nothing that might not be correct

could have crept in the texts, would be not very logical. As a matter of

fact this very variations in texts makes it necessary for an astrologer

to understand the basic principles and the Logic behind yogas.

I am sorry if I sound blunt, but I am pained to see the original intent

behind the comment being distorted, needlessly.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

V.Partha sarathy wrote:

 

> Dear Narasimha

>

> Well said. This applies to all the classics and puranas and chitra

> kathas.

>

> When i was young and when i read Ramayana, i thought it was the story

> of a Hero(Ram) who kills the Villian(Ravana) To get his spouse back.

>

> Today i understand that Ramayana is an understanding of a soul's

> journey.

> Rama is the soul, Ravana is the Shadow purusha(d-30 chart), Sita is

> the femal principle(moon), that is Gripped by Ravana(Tamas,

> ignorance, and the shadripus),

>

> The SOul fights back with the support of Agni(Hanuman), and frees the

> Mind(moon) and vanquishes the Rahu.

> The darkness is removed, and the soul gets self realisation.

> May Krishna bless all of us.

> regards

> partha

>

>

> vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > Namaste Arun,

> >

> > Thank you for the clarification. Instead of seeing the descriptions

> > as "husk" as you did, I would see them as "raw grains".

> Understanding

> > of the underlying principles, which comes from study, is akin to

> > the dishes made by *cooking* the grains.

> >

> > That is why I said the challenge is to know how to separate one

> grain

> > from another (rather than grain from the chaff or husk, as the

> > original analogy mentioned) and to know how to cook various grains.

> >

> > I am glad you basically agree that there is no "chaff" or "husk" in

> > the teachings of Parasara and Jaimini, in the sense of unimportant

> > and thrown away stuff.

> >

> > If one says there is some stuff that needs to be processed and

> > understood deeper, I have no problems.

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

> >

> > > Narasimha,

> > >

> > > I cannot show you something like that because I don't believe

> > > any "unimportant husk" exists in either Pasrashara's or Jaimini's

> > > work. Also, by the word remove, i didn't mean "throwing away",

> but

> > > the act of going within to understand the deeper meanings of the

> > > words.

> > >

> > > Let me illustrate it further, just so that it is clear. For

> example

> > > there can be many words that describe the planet or the energy

> Sun.

> > > But, all these words themselves are not the real Sun, but

> pointers

> > to

> > > the principle. Many descriptions are provided by the Maharishis

> to

> > > somehow get the student to understand the Principle of Sun. In

> the

> > > ultimate analysis, for a person who has completely understood the

> > > Principle of Sun, the descriptions are usless. The descriptions

> > > become husk for such a person.

> > >

> > > I hope this calrifies my earlier statement.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Arun

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > > Namaste Arun,

> > > >

> > > > Please show me one single example from Parasara, of

> > an "underlying

> > > > principle" and the unimportant "husk" surrounding it, which

> needs

> > > > to "removed".

> > > >

> > > > Please note that I am not interested in examples from other

> > authors

> > > > and interested only in examples from Parasara and Jaimini.

> > > >

> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Narasimha,

> > > > >

> > > > > I personally feel that the "chaff from the grain" analogy is

> > > quite

> > > > > apt.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rishis have always tried to capture Knowledge in mantras and

> > > > sutras.

> > > > > Realising that the vehicle requires regenerative capacity,

> > Truth

> > > is

> > > > > always encapsuled in words and phrases. This is similar to

> the

> > > > > beejakshara being encapsuled in a mantra. The real seeker

> will

> > be

> > > > > able to unravel the Truth through proper study. Thus, all

> > > classical

> > > > > texts have grains of wisdom clothed in words. The real

> student

> > is

> > > > one

> > > > > who knows how to remove the husk and understand the

> underlying

> > > > > principle.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, I also share the view that the classics don't

> contain

> > > > chaff

> > > > > that does not wrap around a sound principle.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Arun

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > Pranaams Chandrashekhar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do use ashtakavarga frequently.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Some readers may misunderstand your "chaff and grain"

> > analogy.

> > > > Just

> > > > > > for their sake, I will re-iterate an important point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no "chaff" in the teachings of Parasara and

> Jaimini.

> > > They

> > > > > > are full of grains and only grains, no chaff whatsoever.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hence the challenge is not separating chaff from grain, but

> > > > > > separating one grain from another and knowing which grain

> is

> > > > needed

> > > > > > for making which food. If you are, for example, making

> bread

> > or

> > > > > > poori, you need wheat. If you are making Boondi laddu, you

> > need

> > > > > > channa dal (chick peas). If you are making Pongal, you need

> > > moong

> > > > > > dal and rice. If you are maing Idlis, you need urad dal and

> > > rice.

> > > > > > Similarly, each food needs a different grain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So the challenge is to know how to separate one grain from

> > > another

> > > > > > and to know which grain is used how.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The same holds in JyotisSaastra or Jyotisha. Knowing the

> > > > difference

> > > > > > between various parameters taught by maharshis and knowing

> > which

> > > > > > is used how is the challenge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > > > Narasimha

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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