Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 vedic astrology, "Rao Nemani" <raon1008> wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > Namaste Guru's and Learned Members, > > May I request you please let me the Michael Jackson's birth > details, as I wanted to study his chart for my learning purpose. > > Thanks for your help in advance. > > Regards > Raghunadha Rao Jaya Jagannatha ! August 29th, 1958 - 7:54 PM ? or 11:45 PM POB : Gary, Indiana . sarasalai_siva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Dear sarasalai_siva Thanks for the details, can some one please confirm the the time of birth for me please:- > August 29th, 1958 - 7:54 PM ? or 11:45 PM > POB : Gary, Indiana . Regards Raghunadha Rao vedic astrology, "sarasalai_siva" <sivatheva@a...> wrote: > vedic astrology, "Rao Nemani" <raon1008> > wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Namaste Guru's and Learned Members, > > > > May I request you please let me the Michael Jackson's birth > > details, as I wanted to study his chart for my learning purpose. > > > > Thanks for your help in advance. > > > > Regards > > Raghunadha Rao > > > Jaya Jagannatha ! > > August 29th, 1958 - 7:54 PM ? or 11:45 PM > > POB : Gary, Indiana . > > sarasalai_siva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Dear Rao, It is 11.44 AM as per my information. Pls share your findings with the group. Regards viswanadhamRao Nemani <raon1008 > wrote: Hare Rama KrishnaDear sarasalai_sivaThanks for the details, can some one please confirm thethe time of birth for me please:-> August 29th, 1958 - 7:54 PM ? or 11:45 PM> POB : Gary, Indiana .RegardsRaghunadha Rao--- In vedic astrology, "sarasalai_siva" wrote:> --- In vedic astrology, "Rao Nemani" > wrote:> > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > Namaste Guru's and Learned Members,> > > > May I request you please let me the Michael Jackson's birth > > details, as I wanted to study his chart for my learning purpose.> > > > Thanks for your help in advance.> > > > Regards> > Raghunadha Rao> > > Jaya Jagannatha !> > August 29th, 1958 - 7:54 PM ? or 11:45 PM> > POB : Gary, Indiana .> > sarasalai_siva------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or LexmarkPrinter at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511http://us.click./mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/.8XolB/TM---~->Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 11:45pm I reckon he is a taurean Saturn mahadasa gave rise to his career in 1970 with the Jackson 5. Best wishes Kasim >"Rao Nemani" <raon1008 >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Re: Michael Jackson's Birth Details >Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:39:46 -0000 > >Hare Rama Krishna > >Dear sarasalai_siva > >Thanks for the details, can some one please confirm the >the time of birth for me please:- > > > August 29th, 1958 - 7:54 PM ? or 11:45 PM > > POB : Gary, Indiana . > >Regards >Raghunadha Rao > >vedic astrology, "sarasalai_siva" ><sivatheva@a...> wrote: > > vedic astrology, "Rao Nemani" ><raon1008> > > wrote: > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Namaste Guru's and Learned Members, > > > > > > May I request you please let me the Michael Jackson's birth > > > details, as I wanted to study his chart for my learning purpose. > > > > > > Thanks for your help in advance. > > > > > > Regards > > > Raghunadha Rao > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha ! > > > > August 29th, 1958 - 7:54 PM ? or 11:45 PM > > > > POB : Gary, Indiana . > > > > sarasalai_siva > _______________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Dear Kasim Man with two faces, man who is attacked for molestation, the singing sensation, dancing maverick,sexuality being a regular theme of life. Do we need to look at charts to find out the lagna? The chap is a gemini. I dont have his chart, but i am sure there must be malefics in third house. He is a "break dancer", weak constitution. Had a changeover from dark skin to fair skin due to skin disease, doesnot it ring a bell, cant we see a mercury here?? his songs black or white, i am bad, and what not, can it come from a Taurean? regards partha vedic astrology, "Kasim Khan" <kasim_ch@h...> wrote: > 11:45pm > > I reckon he is a taurean > > Saturn mahadasa gave rise to his career in 1970 with the Jackson 5. > > Best wishes > > Kasim > > > >"Rao Nemani" <raon1008> > >vedic astrology > >vedic astrology > >[vedic astrology] Re: Michael Jackson's Birth Details > >Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:39:46 -0000 > > > >Hare Rama Krishna > > > >Dear sarasalai_siva > > > >Thanks for the details, can some one please confirm the > >the time of birth for me please:- > > > > > August 29th, 1958 - 7:54 PM ? or 11:45 PM > > > POB : Gary, Indiana . > > > >Regards > >Raghunadha Rao > > > >vedic astrology, "sarasalai_siva" > ><sivatheva@a...> wrote: > > > vedic astrology, "Rao Nemani" > ><raon1008> > > > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Namaste Guru's and Learned Members, > > > > > > > > May I request you please let me the Michael Jackson's birth > > > > details, as I wanted to study his chart for my learning purpose. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help in advance. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Raghunadha Rao > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha ! > > > > > > August 29th, 1958 - 7:54 PM ? or 11:45 PM > > > > > > POB : Gary, Indiana . > > > > > > sarasalai_siva > > > > _______________ > Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Hi Dear Partha, Dear Kasim, The given time for Michael Jackson in Das' program is 23:45. With that time from a KP perspective, the strongest significator for the 1H would be Ketu in Gandanta in the 11H in Pisces. This Ketu is in a nakshatra parivartana with Mercury, also Gandanta, so a double whammy of sorts, and Mercury conjoined Sun in Magha. This really does seem to fit Micheal and brings in the Mercury which you mention here Partha. After seeing that photo of him that recently went around the world, was that not a Gandanta Ketu, Gandanta Mercury face! This also would explain his 2H for nose which would be Gemini, Mercury ruled. There is also much more with this chart. Best wishes, Patrice _____________ Dear KasimMan with two faces, man who is attacked for molestation, the singing sensation, dancing maverick,sexuality being a regular theme of life.Do we need to look at charts to find out the lagna?The chap is a gemini.I dont have his chart, but i am sure there must be malefics in third house. He is a "break dancer", weak constitution. Had a changeover from dark skin to fair skin due to skin disease, doesnot it ring a bell, cant we see a mercury here??his songs black or white, i am bad, and what not, can it come from a Taurean?regardspartha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Dear Partha Yes but if you take Taurus example the yoga of sun 4th lord and mercury 5th lord in 4th house gives him great assets. also look at 10th house with full moon giving him recognition as an entertainer. 10th Lord in 7th travels worldwide for his profession Moon = mind in idealistic Aquarius in 10th gives him recognition as a generous humanitarian (We are the world, Heal the World, Earth song etc) AL is in Virgo giving him mercurialism as you suggested. Saturn aspects lagna giving him thin appearance. 6th lord Venus in 3rd house. Enemies (legal) will find it difficult to deafeat him. Venus in 3rd house in sign of cancer giving him venusian communications in his singing which has been awarded and recognised (A5) His strict dad => 9th lord saturn aspecting his lagna => beat him etc Saturn mahadasa gave him fame (yogakaraka) in Jackson five but in a cruel (saturn the ntaural malefic)way behind the scenes => father beatings. For facial appearance, skin disease etc i think divisionals may have to be examined further. Navamsa? Best wishes Kasim >"V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5 >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Re: Michael Jackson's Birth Details >Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:40:02 -0000 > >Dear Kasim > >Man with two faces, man who is attacked for molestation, the singing >sensation, dancing maverick,sexuality being a regular theme of life. > >Do we need to look at charts to find out the lagna? > >The chap is a gemini. >I dont have his chart, but i am sure there must be malefics in third >house. He is a "break dancer", weak constitution. Had a changeover >from dark skin to fair skin due to skin disease, doesnot it ring a >bell, cant we see a mercury here?? >his songs black or white, i am bad, and what not, can it come from a >Taurean? > >regards >partha > > >vedic astrology, "Kasim Khan" <kasim_ch@h...> >wrote: > > 11:45pm > > > > I reckon he is a taurean > > > > Saturn mahadasa gave rise to his career in 1970 with the Jackson 5. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Kasim > > > > > > >"Rao Nemani" <raon1008> > > >vedic astrology > > >vedic astrology > > >[vedic astrology] Re: Michael Jackson's Birth Details > > >Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:39:46 -0000 > > > > > >Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > >Dear sarasalai_siva > > > > > >Thanks for the details, can some one please confirm the > > >the time of birth for me please:- > > > > > > > August 29th, 1958 - 7:54 PM ? or 11:45 PM > > > > POB : Gary, Indiana . > > > > > >Regards > > >Raghunadha Rao > > > > > >vedic astrology, "sarasalai_siva" > > ><sivatheva@a...> wrote: > > > > vedic astrology, "Rao Nemani" > > ><raon1008> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Guru's and Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > May I request you please let me the Michael Jackson's birth > > > > > details, as I wanted to study his chart for my learning >purpose. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help in advance. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Raghunadha Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha ! > > > > > > > > August 29th, 1958 - 7:54 PM ? or 11:45 PM > > > > > > > > POB : Gary, Indiana . > > > > > > > > sarasalai_siva > > > > > > > _______________ > > Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile > _______________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Dear Partha, Kasim and list, I'm not sure what happened when I looked this morning at this chart and why I got Ketu verses Mercury as strongest significator in KP for Michael. A friend and I have been looking at this chart and had discussed strongest significator was Mercury in Gandanta, conjoined Sun in Magha and in parivartana with Ketu also in Gandanta. However I got a weird chart this morning from my computer.... then it shut down and I'm now getting the accurate chart. My apologies. What made me write this right away after seeing your post, Partha, was your reference to Mercury and I was remembering how clearly it was there for him in KP for the 1H. (When I looked this morning at the incorrect info, I assumed it must have been Mercury via Ketu's parivartana.) The correct information is: The strongest significator for the 1H would be this Gandanta Mercury, conjoined Sun in Magha, and this with the parivartana with Gandanta Ketu in 11H. This makes more sense and as I remembered it I cast the chart again this morning after my post. This provides for the kingliness of Leo conjoined with Sun in Magha. But for the 1H the very clear Gandanta Mercury in parivatana with the also Gandanta Ketu. The other thing that's interesting is Rohini nakshatra is famous for being great dancers. (Krishna, Fred Astaire, etc..). This Taurus rising falls in Rohini nakshatra. I'm sorry for any confusion with this as it's already a bit confusing for people unfamiliar with KP to see how the significators for the first house are seen. (Once again my outgoing mails are having problems and delaying this post from going out now... I have tried to post it immediately following my first one regarding Michael. So, the confusion will still be posted there longer, my apologies.... hmmm are you sure it's not a Wednesday - kidding I did however out of curiosity cast a chart for this to see why these computer problems are happening here and it's very interesting.) I will try to post now from . Peace, Patrice vedic astrology, "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry@c...> wrote: > Hi Dear Partha, Dear Kasim, > > The given time for Michael Jackson in Das' program is 23:45. With that time from a KP perspective, the strongest significator for the 1H would be Ketu in Gandanta in the 11H in Pisces. This Ketu is in a nakshatra parivartana with Mercury, also Gandanta, so a double whammy of sorts, and Mercury conjoined Sun in Magha. > > This really does seem to fit Micheal and brings in the Mercury which you mention here Partha. > > After seeing that photo of him that recently went around the world, was that not a Gandanta Ketu, Gandanta Mercury face! This also would explain his 2H for nose which would be Gemini, Mercury ruled. There is also much more with this chart. > > Best wishes, > Patrice > > _____________ > Dear Kasim > > Man with two faces, man who is attacked for molestation, the singing > sensation, dancing maverick,sexuality being a regular theme of life. > > Do we need to look at charts to find out the lagna? > > The chap is a gemini. > I dont have his chart, but i am sure there must be malefics in third > house. He is a "break dancer", weak constitution. Had a changeover > from dark skin to fair skin due to skin disease, doesnot it ring a > bell, cant we see a mercury here?? > his songs black or white, i am bad, and what not, can it come from a > Taurean? > > regards > partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Dear Patrice, I agree with your observation about Rohini and dancers. I am a Rohini Taurean too with lagna lord Venus in Rohini. And dance comes naturally to me without even trying! And don't forget Lord Krishna Who is said to have Rohini as His nakshatra with moon (and sun?) placed in Rohini. Interesting stuff about KP. If you can spare time to teach us all a bit more about this technique I am sure many on the list would appreciate it Patrice. Best wishes Kasim PS Eid Mubarak to those who are celebrating Eid. >"patricecurry" <patricecurry >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >[vedic astrology] Re: Michael Jackson's Birth Details >Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:44:03 -0000 > > >Dear Partha, Kasim and list, > >I'm not sure what happened when I looked this morning at this chart >and why I got Ketu verses Mercury as strongest significator in KP for >Michael. > >A friend and I have been looking at this chart and had discussed >strongest significator was Mercury in Gandanta, conjoined Sun in >Magha and in parivartana with Ketu also in Gandanta. > >However I got a weird chart this morning from my computer.... then it >shut down and I'm now getting the accurate chart. My apologies. > >What made me write this right away after seeing your post, Partha, >was your reference to Mercury and I was remembering how clearly it >was there for him in KP for the 1H. (When I looked this morning at >the incorrect info, I assumed it must have been Mercury via Ketu's >parivartana.) > >The correct information is: The strongest significator for the 1H >would be this Gandanta Mercury, conjoined Sun in Magha, and this with >the parivartana with Gandanta Ketu in 11H. This makes more sense and >as I remembered it I cast the chart again this morning after my post. >This provides for the kingliness of Leo conjoined with Sun in Magha. >But for the 1H the very clear Gandanta Mercury in parivatana with the >also Gandanta Ketu. > >The other thing that's interesting is Rohini nakshatra is famous for >being great dancers. (Krishna, Fred Astaire, etc..). This Taurus >rising falls in Rohini nakshatra. > >I'm sorry for any confusion with this as it's already a bit confusing >for people unfamiliar with KP to see how the significators for the >first house are seen. > >(Once again my outgoing mails are having problems and delaying this >post from going out now... I have tried to post it immediately >following my first one regarding Michael. So, the confusion will >still be posted there longer, my apologies.... hmmm are you sure it's >not a Wednesday - kidding I did however out of curiosity cast a chart >for this to see why these computer problems are happening here and >it's very interesting.) > >I will try to post now from . > >Peace, >Patrice > > > >vedic astrology, "Patrice Curry" ><patricecurry@c...> wrote: > > Hi Dear Partha, Dear Kasim, > > > > The given time for Michael Jackson in Das' program is 23:45. With >that time from a KP perspective, the strongest significator for the >1H would be Ketu in Gandanta in the 11H in Pisces. This Ketu is in a >nakshatra parivartana with Mercury, also Gandanta, so a double whammy >of sorts, and Mercury conjoined Sun in Magha. > > > > This really does seem to fit Micheal and brings in the Mercury >which you mention here Partha. > > > > After seeing that photo of him that recently went around the world, >was that not a Gandanta Ketu, Gandanta Mercury face! This also would >explain his 2H for nose which would be Gemini, Mercury ruled. There >is also much more with this chart. > > > > Best wishes, > > Patrice > > > > _____________ > > Dear Kasim > > > > Man with two faces, man who is attacked for molestation, the >singing > > sensation, dancing maverick,sexuality being a regular theme of life. > > > > Do we need to look at charts to find out the lagna? > > > > The chap is a gemini. > > I dont have his chart, but i am sure there must be malefics in >third > > house. He is a "break dancer", weak constitution. Had a changeover > > from dark skin to fair skin due to skin disease, doesnot it ring a > > bell, cant we see a mercury here?? > > his songs black or white, i am bad, and what not, can it come from >a > > Taurean? > > > > regards > > partha > _______________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Dear Kasim, Interesting about you being a Rohini Taurean and lagna lord Venus also in Rohini and a natural dancer ;-) How nice for you... Under KP: The nakshatra lord of the Sub of the Ascendant is said to be the strongest significator of the ascendant. (This is just the rule for the ascendant, other rules apply for the houses.) As an example using the Michael Jackson time of 11:45, chart shows Venus as sub lord of the Ascendant. Venus is in a Mercury nakshatra, so this makes Mercury the strongest significator of the ascendant. And you know in this case the rest as written earlier regarding that Gandanta Mercury in Magha with Sun and in parivartana with Gandanta Ketu. This is a really wonderful and useful tool in all charts and can be used to rectify birthtimes by a few minutes. In my particular chart, my birthtime on birth certificate was given as 00:39. I was very fortunate to see Yogi Karveji and he gave me the time as 00:38. When you check the two different times it is quite clear that the 00:38 is the correct time giving me Ketu in Leo in KP 12H (Rasi 1H), verses Saturn in Virgo conjoined Mars in KP 1H (Rasi 2H and conjoined Mars and Venus) as strongest significator for my Ascendant. I'm giving this as an example of my own chart to help explain more fully here, but you will see it clearly in other charts and in your own. This is particularly useful also with twins as there is often a different sub lord for each twin, and it shows you immediately the difference in the twins. Check your own chart out and see how and if it fits. It's quite remarkable with all the charts I have where I know the birthtime is correct. In this case with the considered time for Michael Jackson, again it is remarkable how it fits. I have taken the time back checking minutes as it goes back in case this chart is actually a minute or two ahead of birthtime, which I have NO idea about, but just to check. In this case this remains the same for him up until changing at 23:40. Also my thinking for his birthtime to be such a huge question, with all the fame and celebrity and we have access to so many other birthtimes with people of this kind of fame, my thoughts were that Ketu must be involved. Even with the mails I sent yesterday the confusion between Mercury and Ketu again... This seems correct to me. However there is always room for others opinions and with birthtimes not known many present their own view on what it should be. I don't know where Das got the 23:45. Normally Das' times in his Goravani program are given correctly. I have only taken this time originally due to the time given by Das. As for Micheal being born at Noon, as I have heard also said, it was quoted to me that Lois Rodden and Marjorie Orr gave this time. Both their websites list this time of Noon on the charts given, but both specify that it is an unknown birth time. Noon just being used as a general time with no birth time given. My point here is to share this KP technique and it just worked out this well again with this time given in this case with Michael's chart. All my kindest regards, Patrice ______________ Dear Patrice,I agree with your observation about Rohini and dancers.I am a Rohini Taurean too with lagna lord Venus in Rohini. And dance comes naturally to me without even trying!And don't forget Lord Krishna Who is said to have Rohini as His nakshatra with moon (and sun?) placed in Rohini.Interesting stuff about KP.If you can spare time to teach us all a bit more about this technique I am sure many on the list would appreciate it Patrice.Best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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