Guest guest Posted December 15, 2003 Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 Can a learned member of this group let us know what indications in Saddam's natal chart indicate cruelty, arrogance, violence caused, religious intolerance, loss of sons etc? -VRS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2003 Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 Arrogance and Cruelty of this native is the gift of retrograde Mars by Martin Schulman, in his book on retrograde and Reincarnatioin he mentions that for Mars retrograde at the sixth house as 'Here the individual is caught between conflict of how much he should do for others and how much he should he should for himself. He tends to resent others telling hin how to do things and yet he consciously wants their advice. Highly independent, he strives to be the ruler of his own life amidst a flood of external circumstances that dictate the direction of his energies. And so on...... I believe the Cruelty is due to the planet of Mars and that is retrograde in nature at his own sign and joins the Moon and Rahu. Here we can learn the effect of two debilitated planets conjunct with the retrograde Mars. The conjunction of debilitated Moon and Rahu accounts for the Guru mangala yoga to act in a reverse fashion. The debility of Jupiter can account for the religious intolerance by some means. Further I leave with a query the lord of the 8/9th house is in parivarthana with the lord of the 10th house. can this give a long life to this native? Further the lord of the 8th house is with the exalted planet Venus and the Venus gets Vargottama too. That is what a few astrologers will look in depth at present and also to understand the Mundane and natal chart. Bye now Can a learned member of this group let us know what indications in Saddam's natal chart indicate cruelty, arrogance, violence caused, religious intolerance, loss of sons etc?-VRS Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 Dear Mr. Sastry, I saw a good post explaining the points you desired to know from parasharic angle. Taking the Jaimini angle, I resume as under under the cover of your query. I have taken the birth data of SH as 28-April-1937, 08:15am, 43E42, 34N36 (Tikris), 3h east of GMT. According to it, The Lagna falls in Gemini 2-56 having Mars-R, Moon, Rahu in 6H Jup in 8H Ven-R and Sat in 10H Sun in 11H Merc and Ketu in 12H Arudha Lagna : Aries AK is Venus and Karakamsha falls in Pisces. Sat is PK Jup is GK Sun is AmK Chara Dasha : Cancer-Capricorn : 28-08-2003 to 27-04-2004 -------------------------- Now, let me proceed with the analysis in short. The developed, acquired and Innate shade of personality is defined by Lagna, Arudha-lagna and Atmakaraka (AK). Look at them one by one. Lagna is Gemini (making him intelligent), having LL-Merc in 12H making him indifferent to the people. Lagna is aspected by 5-12L Venus making him refined and driven by his children. Lagna also gets aspected by 8-9L Saturn, causing him a mysterious character. LL-Merc gets aspected by 7-10L Jupiter making him public and position driven which was added by the disposition of Exalted AmK Sun in 11H thus making him an ruler in real sense and a administator in Govt (more so because Sun offers excellent argala on Lagna). The 3L Sun getting aspects of Mars and Rahu made him a dare devil. Jupiter in 8H does not budge him on the issues of religion etc and making him a aetheist. Look Arudha-lagna Aries, a sign making him a born warrior. The aspect of Mars and Rahu on AL from 8H makes him extreme arrogant (more so due to retro-Mars) and difficult to be handled (due to Rahu in Martian sign). The involvement of Moon with Mars and Rahu in 8H aspecting AL makes him deformed in thinking pattern and fundamentally a terrorist. 9L Jupiter is the GK in this chart in debilitation while 9L Saturn in 12H does not make him religious and realistic. There is no argala on AL to further influence. Examine Karakamsha in D-9 (Pisces) : Venus is a good planet to become AK but its retro nature deteriorates it. Mars and Moon in conjunction falls in 8H which makes him a real dare devil and a killer. It may be noted that Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Sun aspect this combination which deteriorate their effects in the tone of 8H, making him a hard nut to crack. In conclusion, it may be noted that the disposition of 6H is extraordinarily strong due to Mars and Rahu in 6H from Lagna, 6L-Sun exalted in AL and due to sun and Ketu in 6H from Karakamsha. This gives him an extraordinary command over the enemies and maked him a dare-devil again. Look to the 10H also. >From Lagna, 8L Saturn and 12L Venus gets placed in 10H. Since Saturn is PK as well as 8L, he had been destined to be driven by his children and led down because of them. From Karakamsha also, Saturn also cast direct aspect to it, re-affirming it. I do not want to stretch it further and postpone my views on the dasha effects at a later time. I hope, I am able to give a glimpse of his personality a bit. Regards, Vijay Kumar - venkatarama_sastry vedic astrology Monday, December 15, 2003 10:52 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein Can a learned member of this group let us know what indications in Saddam's natal chart indicate cruelty, arrogance, violence caused, religious intolerance, loss of sons etc?-VRSArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Mr Vijay Kumar, What do you mean by Parasharic and Jaimini angle? In BPHS, Sage Parashara has described about argala, atmakaraka, arudhas and rasi dashas also. Is what you call chara dasha the same as Narayana Dasha? Do you follow the 7 or 8 charakaraka scheme? How does AL in Ar make "one a born warrier"? If we are talking about assessing the birth, isnt the lagna to be used as the primary reference point? How do you say Ve is a "good planet to be atmakaraka"? I would be interested to know your classification of good and bad planets for atmakaraka. How does retrograde nature of a planet "deteriorate" the AK? This is very interesting. What about the fact that Ve is exalted in karakamsa? Many more questions but I do not want to stretch this further. However I would be interested to know the dasha effects and how his capture was reflected in the Cn-Cp dasha period. regards Hari vedic astrology, "vijay kumar" <v_kumar@c...> wrote: > Dear Mr. Sastry, > > I saw a good post explaining the points you desired to know from parasharic angle. Taking the Jaimini angle, I resume as under under the cover of your query. > > I have taken the birth data of SH as 28-April-1937, 08:15am, 43E42, 34N36 (Tikris), 3h east of GMT. > According to it, > The Lagna falls in Gemini 2-56 having > Mars-R, Moon, Rahu in 6H > Jup in 8H > Ven-R and Sat in 10H > Sun in 11H > Merc and Ketu in 12H > > Arudha Lagna : Aries > > AK is Venus and Karakamsha falls in Pisces. > Sat is PK > Jup is GK > Sun is AmK > > Chara Dasha : Cancer-Capricorn : 28-08-2003 to 27-04-2004 > -------------------------- > > Now, let me proceed with the analysis in short. > > The developed, acquired and Innate shade of personality is defined by Lagna, Arudha-lagna and Atmakaraka (AK). Look at them one by one. > > Lagna is Gemini (making him intelligent), having LL-Merc in 12H making him indifferent to the people. Lagna is aspected by 5-12L Venus making him refined and driven by his children. Lagna also gets aspected by 8-9L Saturn, causing him a mysterious character. LL-Merc gets aspected by 7-10L Jupiter making him public and position driven which was added by the disposition of Exalted AmK Sun in 11H thus making him an ruler in real sense and a administator in Govt (more so because Sun offers excellent argala on Lagna). The 3L Sun getting aspects of Mars and Rahu made him a dare devil. Jupiter in 8H does not budge him on the issues of religion etc and making him a aetheist. > > Look Arudha-lagna Aries, a sign making him a born warrior. The aspect of Mars and Rahu on AL from 8H makes him extreme arrogant (more so due to retro-Mars) and difficult to be handled (due to Rahu in Martian sign). The involvement of Moon with Mars and Rahu in 8H aspecting AL makes him deformed in thinking pattern and fundamentally a terrorist. 9L Jupiter is the GK in this chart in debilitation while 9L Saturn in 12H does not make him religious and realistic. There is no argala on AL to further influence. > > Examine Karakamsha in D-9 (Pisces) : Venus is a good planet to become AK but its retro nature deteriorates it. Mars and Moon in conjunction falls in 8H which makes him a real dare devil and a killer. It may be noted that Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Sun aspect this combination which deteriorate their effects in the tone of 8H, making him a hard nut to crack. > > In conclusion, it may be noted that the disposition of 6H is extraordinarily strong due to Mars and Rahu in 6H from Lagna, 6L-Sun exalted in AL and due to sun and Ketu in 6H from Karakamsha. This gives him an extraordinary command over the enemies and maked him a dare-devil again. > > Look to the 10H also. > > From Lagna, 8L Saturn and 12L Venus gets placed in 10H. Since Saturn is PK as well as 8L, he had been destined to be driven by his children and led down because of them. From Karakamsha also, Saturn also cast direct aspect to it, re-affirming it. > > I do not want to stretch it further and postpone my views on the dasha effects at a later time. > > I hope, I am able to give a glimpse of his personality a bit. > > Regards, > > Vijay Kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Thank you for your analysis- I've seen recently Cancer Lagna for Sadam, felt it was more suitable ? With Ge Lagna current dasas are: Chara Dasa Cn-Ar Narayana D-Cp-Pi/I used PL6- how did you get Cp-Cn Plus, Yogini: Ju-Sa-Ma /Ju in 8th, pariv. Sa in 10th, fits well, plus Mars from 6th? If anyone has other TOB, please share! Thanks, Anna vedic astrology, "vijay kumar" <v_kumar@c...> wrote:> Dear Mr. Sastry,> > I saw a good post explaining the points you desired to know from parasharic angle. Taking the Jaimini angle, I resume as under under the cover of your query.> > I have taken the birth data of SH as 28-April-1937, 08:15am, 43E42, 34N36 (Tikris), 3h east of GMT. > According to it, > The Lagna falls in Gemini 2-56 having > Mars-R, Moon, Rahu in 6H > Jup in 8H> Ven-R and Sat in 10H> Sun in 11H> Merc and Ketu in 12H> > Arudha Lagna : Aries> > AK is Venus and Karakamsha falls in Pisces.> Sat is PK> Jup is GK> Sun is AmK > > Chara Dasha : Cancer-Capricorn : 28-08-2003 to 27-04-2004> --------------------------> > Now, let me proceed with the analysis in short.> > The developed, acquired and Innate shade of personality is defined by Lagna, Arudha-lagna and Atmakaraka (AK). Look at them one by one.> > Lagna is Gemini (making him intelligent), having LL-Merc in 12H making him indifferent to the people. Lagna is aspected by 5-12L Venus making him refined and driven by his children. Lagna also gets aspected by 8-9L Saturn, causing him a mysterious character. LL-Merc gets aspected by 7-10L Jupiter making him public and position driven which was added by the disposition of Exalted AmK Sun in 11H thus making him an ruler in real sense and a administator in Govt (more so because Sun offers excellent argala on Lagna). The 3L Sun getting aspects of Mars and Rahu made him a dare devil. Jupiter in 8H does not budge him on the issues of religion etc and making him a aetheist.> > Look Arudha-lagna Aries, a sign making him a born warrior. The aspect of Mars and Rahu on AL from 8H makes him extreme arrogant (more so due to retro-Mars) and difficult to be handled (due to Rahu in Martian sign). The involvement of Moon with Mars and Rahu in 8H aspecting AL makes him deformed in thinking pattern and fundamentally a terrorist. 9L Jupiter is the GK in this chart in debilitation while 9L Saturn in 12H does not make him religious and realistic. There is no argala on AL to further influence.> > Examine Karakamsha in D-9 (Pisces) : Venus is a good planet to become AK but its retro nature deteriorates it. Mars and Moon in conjunction falls in 8H which makes him a real dare devil and a killer. It may be noted that Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Sun aspect this combination which deteriorate their effects in the tone of 8H, making him a hard nut to crack. > > In conclusion, it may be noted that the disposition of 6H is extraordinarily strong due to Mars and Rahu in 6H from Lagna, 6L-Sun exalted in AL and due to sun and Ketu in 6H from Karakamsha. This gives him an extraordinary command over the enemies and maked him a dare-devil again.> > Look to the 10H also. > > From Lagna, 8L Saturn and 12L Venus gets placed in 10H. Since Saturn is PK as well as 8L, he had been destined to be driven by his children and led down because of them. From Karakamsha also, Saturn also cast direct aspect to it, re-affirming it.> > I do not want to stretch it further and postpone my views on the dasha effects at a later time.> > I hope, I am able to give a glimpse of his personality a bit.> > Regards,> > Vijay KumarArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Your use of is subject to the New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Dear Mr. Hari, I do not know, how much Jaimini syetem of astrology have you studied, but I have given the analysis strictly in terms of Jaimini sutras. However, briefly replying your queries......... a) Please refer the Sutra : Atmadhikah Kaladinirbhog Saptanam Ashtanam Va, which brands AK to be a planet highest in signwise longitude out of 7-8 planets, eliminating Ketu. The next sutra says Sa Eashte Bandhamokshayo meaning that such Atmakaraka (AK) planet is responsible for Bandhan or Moksha which is not possible by Rahu in the list of planets. Thus Rahu is eliminated. Thus according to the opinion of scholars, AK is selected out of 7 planets. It is further asserted by the Sutras Tasya anusaran Amatya, Tasya Bhratra, Tasya Mata, Tasya Putra, Tasya Gnati, Tasya Dara. In line of this thinking of great scholars I have followed the scheme of 7 Chara-karakas. Rahu is, however eligible to occupy any other position other than AK in case of tangle arising out of the same longitude of 2 planets. b) The shade of personality is in general influenced by the nature of sign, its disposition and the planets around it. See for yourself the details. c) All benefic planets have been branded good for the position of AK but the retro-planet do not behave according to its natural shade. The Karakamsha is not the sole point of reference, the planetary disposition around it enhance or destroy it. d) You are still lingering on Lagna, whereas I have indicated 3 reference points to define the personality of a person, in which Lagna is one of them. I have a humble suggestion that you may keep the chart in front of you and start analysing it and you would start appreciating the facts. Also, you can analyse your own chart and appreciate the beauty lying in the personality delineation. Why your own chart--because you atleast know your own self. >From my side, I close discussion on this. Regards, Vijay Kumar - onlyhari vedic astrology Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:59 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||Dear Mr Vijay Kumar,What do you mean by Parasharic and Jaimini angle? In BPHS, Sage Parashara has described about argala, atmakaraka, arudhas and rasi dashas also. Is what you call chara dasha the same as Narayana Dasha? Do you follow the 7 or 8 charakaraka scheme?How does AL in Ar make "one a born warrier"? If we are talking about assessing the birth, isnt the lagna to be used as the primary reference point?How do you say Ve is a "good planet to be atmakaraka"? I would be interested to know your classification of good and bad planets for atmakaraka.How does retrograde nature of a planet "deteriorate" the AK? This is very interesting. What about the fact that Ve is exalted in karakamsa?Many more questions but I do not want to stretch this further. However I would be interested to know the dasha effects and how his capture was reflected in the Cn-Cp dasha period.regardsHari--- In vedic astrology, "vijay kumar" <v_kumar@c...> wrote:> Dear Mr. Sastry,> > I saw a good post explaining the points you desired to know from parasharic angle. Taking the Jaimini angle, I resume as under under the cover of your query.> > I have taken the birth data of SH as 28-April-1937, 08:15am, 43E42, 34N36 (Tikris), 3h east of GMT. > According to it, > The Lagna falls in Gemini 2-56 having > Mars-R, Moon, Rahu in 6H > Jup in 8H> Ven-R and Sat in 10H> Sun in 11H> Merc and Ketu in 12H> > Arudha Lagna : Aries> > AK is Venus and Karakamsha falls in Pisces.> Sat is PK> Jup is GK> Sun is AmK > > Chara Dasha : Cancer-Capricorn : 28-08-2003 to 27-04-2004> --------------------------> > Now, let me proceed with the analysis in short.> > The developed, acquired and Innate shade of personality is defined by Lagna, Arudha-lagna and Atmakaraka (AK). Look at them one by one.> > Lagna is Gemini (making him intelligent), having LL-Merc in 12H making him indifferent to the people. Lagna is aspected by 5-12L Venus making him refined and driven by his children. Lagna also gets aspected by 8-9L Saturn, causing him a mysterious character. LL-Merc gets aspected by 7-10L Jupiter making him public and position driven which was added by the disposition of Exalted AmK Sun in 11H thus making him an ruler in real sense and a administator in Govt (more so because Sun offers excellent argala on Lagna). The 3L Sun getting aspects of Mars and Rahu made him a dare devil. Jupiter in 8H does not budge him on the issues of religion etc and making him a aetheist.> > Look Arudha-lagna Aries, a sign making him a born warrior. The aspect of Mars and Rahu on AL from 8H makes him extreme arrogant (more so due to retro-Mars) and difficult to be handled (due to Rahu in Martian sign). The involvement of Moon with Mars and Rahu in 8H aspecting AL makes him deformed in thinking pattern and fundamentally a terrorist. 9L Jupiter is the GK in this chart in debilitation while 9L Saturn in 12H does not make him religious and realistic. There is no argala on AL to further influence.> > Examine Karakamsha in D-9 (Pisces) : Venus is a good planet to become AK but its retro nature deteriorates it. Mars and Moon in conjunction falls in 8H which makes him a real dare devil and a killer. It may be noted that Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Sun aspect this combination which deteriorate their effects in the tone of 8H, making him a hard nut to crack. > > In conclusion, it may be noted that the disposition of 6H is extraordinarily strong due to Mars and Rahu in 6H from Lagna, 6L-Sun exalted in AL and due to sun and Ketu in 6H from Karakamsha. This gives him an extraordinary command over the enemies and maked him a dare-devil again.> > Look to the 10H also. > > >From Lagna, 8L Saturn and 12L Venus gets placed in 10H. Since Saturn is PK as well as 8L, he had been destined to be driven by his children and led down because of them. From Karakamsha also, Saturn also cast direct aspect to it, re-affirming it.> > I do not want to stretch it further and postpone my views on the dasha effects at a later time.> > I hope, I am able to give a glimpse of his personality a bit.> > Regards,> > Vijay KumarArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Mr Vijay Kumar, My questions seem to have offended you judging by the way you have closed your reply email! I notice that you are still lingering on Jaimini & Parashara systems of vedic astrology. Now the three reference points viz., lagna, arudha lagna and karakamsa have been described by Sage Parashara in BPHS. Thus I wanted to know what do you mean by Jaimini system of astrology. When someone asks this question, it does not mean that they know nothing about the Jaimini sutras! Regarding your replies:- (b) AL shows how you are perceived by the society around you. You said AL in Ar indicates a 'born warrier'. I object to the word 'born' as then you should be interpreting from lagna which is calculated from the moment of birth. © In Saddam Hussein's case, the benefic AK is retrograde but also placed in the sign of exaltation. Wont this placement counteract the "deterioration" of the AK? regards Hari vedic astrology, "vijay kumar" <v_kumar@c...> wrote: > Dear Mr. Hari, > > I do not know, how much Jaimini syetem of astrology have you studied, but I have given the analysis strictly in terms of Jaimini sutras. > > However, briefly replying your queries......... > > a) Please refer the Sutra : Atmadhikah Kaladinirbhog Saptanam Ashtanam Va, which brands AK to be a planet highest in signwise longitude out of 7-8 planets, eliminating Ketu. The next sutra says Sa Eashte Bandhamokshayo meaning that such Atmakaraka (AK) planet is responsible for Bandhan or Moksha which is not possible by Rahu in the list of planets. Thus Rahu is eliminated. Thus according to the opinion of scholars, AK is selected out of 7 planets. It is further asserted by the Sutras Tasya anusaran Amatya, Tasya Bhratra, Tasya Mata, Tasya Putra, Tasya Gnati, Tasya Dara. > > In line of this thinking of great scholars I have followed the scheme of 7 Chara-karakas. Rahu is, however eligible to occupy any other position other than AK in case of tangle arising out of the same longitude of 2 planets. > > b) The shade of personality is in general influenced by the nature of sign, its disposition and the planets around it. See for yourself the details. > > c) All benefic planets have been branded good for the position of AK but the retro-planet do not behave according to its natural shade. The Karakamsha is not the sole point of reference, the planetary disposition around it enhance or destroy it. > > d) You are still lingering on Lagna, whereas I have indicated 3 reference points to define the personality of a person, in which Lagna is one of them. > > I have a humble suggestion that you may keep the chart in front of you and start analysing it and you would start appreciating the facts. > > Also, you can analyse your own chart and appreciate the beauty lying in the personality delineation. Why your own chart--because you atleast know your own self. > > From my side, I close discussion on this. > > Regards, > > Vijay Kumar > > - > onlyhari > vedic astrology > Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:59 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein > > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Mr Vijay Kumar, > > What do you mean by Parasharic and Jaimini angle? In BPHS, Sage > Parashara has described about argala, atmakaraka, arudhas and rasi > dashas also. > > Is what you call chara dasha the same as Narayana Dasha? Do you > follow the 7 or 8 charakaraka scheme? > > How does AL in Ar make "one a born warrier"? If we are talking about > assessing the birth, isnt the lagna to be used as the primary > reference point? > > How do you say Ve is a "good planet to be atmakaraka"? I would be > interested to know your classification of good and bad planets for > atmakaraka. > > How does retrograde nature of a planet "deteriorate" the AK? This is > very interesting. What about the fact that Ve is exalted in > karakamsa? > > Many more questions but I do not want to stretch this further. > However I would be interested to know the dasha effects and how his > capture was reflected in the Cn-Cp dasha period. > > regards > Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Dear Vijay, All the factors used in your analysis - chara karakas, arudha lagna, chara dasa, karakamsa etc - were mentioned by Parasara too. Please read "Brihat Paaraasara Horaa Sasstram" more carefully. Though some people created the Parasari vs Jaimini division, it is artificial. Both the sages taught the same thing. Jaimini simply took a few of Parasara's teachings and went deep into them. To stress again, each and every factor you used below finds mention in Parasara's mastepiece. Hari was very much correct in questioning you on "Parasari angle vs Jaimini angle". May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Mr. Hari, > > I do not know, how much Jaimini syetem of astrology have you studied, but I have given the analysis strictly in terms of Jaimini sutras. > > However, briefly replying your queries......... > > a) Please refer the Sutra : Atmadhikah Kaladinirbhog Saptanam Ashtanam Va, which brands AK to be a planet highest in signwise longitude out of 7-8 planets, eliminating Ketu. The next sutra says Sa Eashte Bandhamokshayo meaning that such Atmakaraka (AK) planet is responsible for Bandhan or Moksha which is not possible by Rahu in the list of planets. Thus Rahu is eliminated. Thus according to the opinion of scholars, AK is selected out of 7 planets. It is further asserted by the Sutras Tasya anusaran Amatya, Tasya Bhratra, Tasya Mata, Tasya Putra, Tasya Gnati, Tasya Dara. > > In line of this thinking of great scholars I have followed the scheme of 7 Chara-karakas. Rahu is, however eligible to occupy any other position other than AK in case of tangle arising out of the same longitude of 2 planets. > > b) The shade of personality is in general influenced by the nature of sign, its disposition and the planets around it. See for yourself the details. > > c) All benefic planets have been branded good for the position of AK but the retro-planet do not behave according to its natural shade. The Karakamsha is not the sole point of reference, the planetary disposition around it enhance or destroy it. > > d) You are still lingering on Lagna, whereas I have indicated 3 reference points to define the personality of a person, in which Lagna is one of them. > > I have a humble suggestion that you may keep the chart in front of you and start analysing it and you would start appreciating the facts. > > Also, you can analyse your own chart and appreciate the beauty lying in the personality delineation. Why your own chart--because you atleast know your own self. > > From my side, I close discussion on this. > > Regards, > > Vijay Kumar > > - > onlyhari > vedic astrology > Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:59 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein > > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Mr Vijay Kumar, > > What do you mean by Parasharic and Jaimini angle? In BPHS, Sage > Parashara has described about argala, atmakaraka, arudhas and rasi > dashas also. > > Is what you call chara dasha the same as Narayana Dasha? Do you > follow the 7 or 8 charakaraka scheme? > > How does AL in Ar make "one a born warrier"? If we are talking about > assessing the birth, isnt the lagna to be used as the primary > reference point? > > How do you say Ve is a "good planet to be atmakaraka"? I would be > interested to know your classification of good and bad planets for > atmakaraka. > > How does retrograde nature of a planet "deteriorate" the AK? This is > very interesting. What about the fact that Ve is exalted in > karakamsa? > > Many more questions but I do not want to stretch this further. > However I would be interested to know the dasha effects and how his > capture was reflected in the Cn-Cp dasha period. > > regards > Hari > vedic astrology, "vijay kumar" <v_kumar@c...> > wrote: > > Dear Mr. Sastry, > > > > I saw a good post explaining the points you desired to know from > parasharic angle. Taking the Jaimini angle, I resume as under under > the cover of your query. > > > > I have taken the birth data of SH as 28-April-1937, 08:15am, > 43E42, 34N36 (Tikris), 3h east of GMT. > > According to it, > > The Lagna falls in Gemini 2-56 having > > Mars-R, Moon, Rahu in 6H > > Jup in 8H > > Ven-R and Sat in 10H > > Sun in 11H > > Merc and Ketu in 12H > > > > Arudha Lagna : Aries > > > > AK is Venus and Karakamsha falls in Pisces. > > Sat is PK > > Jup is GK > > Sun is AmK > > > > Chara Dasha : Cancer-Capricorn : 28-08-2003 to 27-04-2004 > > -------------------------- > > > > Now, let me proceed with the analysis in short. > > > > The developed, acquired and Innate shade of personality is defined > by Lagna, Arudha-lagna and Atmakaraka (AK). Look at them one by one. > > > > Lagna is Gemini (making him intelligent), having LL-Merc in 12H > making him indifferent to the people. Lagna is aspected by 5-12L > Venus making him refined and driven by his children. Lagna also gets > aspected by 8-9L Saturn, causing him a mysterious character. LL- Merc > gets aspected by 7-10L Jupiter making him public and position driven > which was added by the disposition of Exalted AmK Sun in 11H thus > making him an ruler in real sense and a administator in Govt (more > so because Sun offers excellent argala on Lagna). The 3L Sun getting > aspects of Mars and Rahu made him a dare devil. Jupiter in 8H does > not budge him on the issues of religion etc and making him a > aetheist. > > > > Look Arudha-lagna Aries, a sign making him a born warrior. The > aspect of Mars and Rahu on AL from 8H makes him extreme arrogant > (more so due to retro-Mars) and difficult to be handled (due to Rahu > in Martian sign). The involvement of Moon with Mars and Rahu in 8H > aspecting AL makes him deformed in thinking pattern and > fundamentally a terrorist. 9L Jupiter is the GK in this chart in > debilitation while 9L Saturn in 12H does not make him religious and > realistic. There is no argala on AL to further influence. > > > > Examine Karakamsha in D-9 (Pisces) : Venus is a good planet to > become AK but its retro nature deteriorates it. Mars and Moon in > conjunction falls in 8H which makes him a real dare devil and a > killer. It may be noted that Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Sun aspect this > combination which deteriorate their effects in the tone of 8H, > making him a hard nut to crack. > > > > In conclusion, it may be noted that the disposition of 6H is > extraordinarily strong due to Mars and Rahu in 6H from Lagna, 6L- Sun > exalted in AL and due to sun and Ketu in 6H from Karakamsha. This > gives him an extraordinary command over the enemies and maked him a > dare-devil again. > > > > Look to the 10H also. > > > > From Lagna, 8L Saturn and 12L Venus gets placed in 10H. Since > Saturn is PK as well as 8L, he had been destined to be driven by his > children and led down because of them. From Karakamsha also, Saturn > also cast direct aspect to it, re-affirming it. > > > > I do not want to stretch it further and postpone my views on the > dasha effects at a later time. > > > > I hope, I am able to give a glimpse of his personality a bit. > > > > Regards, > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > - ----------- > Links > > > vedic astrology/ > > b.. > vedic astrology > > c.. Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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