Saptamsa & Abortion: Marcus, Dhira & JKDa

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Dear Narayan,

Rahu will indeed normally cause miscarriage unless;

i) Theres a parivartana.

ii) Jupiter is placed there.

iii) Rahu is Chara Putrakaraka.

 

 

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Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:11 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Saptamsa & Abortion: Marcus, Dhira & JKDa

|| Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha ||Dear JKDa,I did not say

that "Rahu causes sex-change" ... what I said was "let's assume that Rahu

causes sex-change" so as to not get tangled into these exceptions and focus on

explaining the nature of the child using the paaka lagna of the child. Please

refer to the first 2 paragraphs of my mail.As far as Manduka Gati is

concerened, I have not found consistent use of it, which means that there is a

lot more to be learnt from it. Hence I brushed it aside, and focussed on paaka

lagna. Obviously, 2nd pregnancy should have been lost with Rahu (8th lord)

there and Venus (Baadhakesh) there and its lord Saturn in 10th house of Maraka

in Saptamsa. However, taking Aries as the Lagna does explain the nature of the

child, doesn't it???Bottomline, many rules are unclear and we need to do some

more serious research on it, before we can take them for granted and use them

reliably. This is not the case now. Hence, a fail-proof (well almost ) method

is to use paakal lagna.Another important assumption we have made is that we have

not questioned the native so far and depended on the intermediary (Marcus). More

often than not, people are not clear about what they say and I dont say it in a

negative way and definitely no offense intended to our friend Marcus ... but

most people dont feel it neccessary to tell us if they had prior

miscarriage/abortion unless grilled in person! So we cannot take anything at

face-value!!!!!!!!For Example, if Taurus is indeed the Lagna, then first

pregnancy must have been aborted .. so on and so forth. Hopefully I have been

able to put my views across clearly and eliminates confusion to a considerable

extent :)Warm RegardsNarayanvedic astrology, "j.k.

dasgupta" <dgassociates@s...> wrote:> dear narayan,> > very good analysis. > >

you have told that rahu causes change of sex. can you plz elaborate more on

this? what are the parameters? other doubts are as below,> > jk> -----

Original Message ----- > naaraayana_iyer > To:

vedic astrology > Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:20 AM>

[vedic astrology] Saptamsa & Abortion: Marcus, Dhira & JKDa> > > ||

Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha ||> > Namaste Friends,> >

When it comes to the topic of Saptamsa and Sex-Determination, rules > are

still not clear. A lot of research needs to be done before we > can blindly

start using rules/principles we now use and take for > granted!!> > Hence,

the best way, in my opinion is to, rectify Saptamsa and > understand it to

ascertain the individual child's nature using its > Paaka Lagna. > > Lets

take the case of Marcus' lady friend, whose chart was posted on > the list a

week back.> > In Saptamsa, Taurus rises with 5H (Capricorn) containing the

10L > Rahu & Lagna Lord Venus. Now, 10L is Maraka and would usually kill >

the child in question. Lets assume that child suruvived because of > presence

of Saptamsa Lagna Lord Venus who is a survivor by nature! > Lets take 5th lord

now ... it is Saturn which is debilitated in > Aries. Now as per normal rules,

this would mean a GIRL!! Lets assume > that Rahu caused the sex-change(?) and

this means a BOY as given by > Marcus.> > Now, instead of being happy using

unclear rules, we should go a step > further and ascertain the childs nature.

We should be able to fairly > describe the individual child and thereby

confirming whether our > assumptions about the arcane rules and assumptions

are indeed > correct!> > Here Aries is Lagna, with Debilitated Saturn and

Lagna lord in 12th > house and Sarpa Yoga. This combination does not indicate

a happy > child, in fact it shows an angry & miserable child who suffers from

> depression and low self-esteem!!> > 2nd pregnancy is shown by 7th house,

lets take both Scorpio and > Pisces as alternatives. With Scorpio, lord Mars

situated in Pisces > becomes the Lagna for 2nd child, lets once again assume

that Rahu > caused the sex change. Taking Pisces as Lagna does show an >

authorative person, but someone who is more dharmik and one who is > very

scrupulous as we have Dharma-karmadhipati Yoga. I doubt this > shows a

rabble-rouser with a difficult nature!!! Now, taking Pisces > as pregnancy

house, take Jupiter in Saggitarius as Lagna and give > reading. Again Hamsa

Maha Purusa Yoga and the best form of Dharma-> karamdipati yoga!! Thus, our

assumptions on Saptmsa Lagna is most > probably incorrect!> > Hence I feel

Saptmsa Lagna should be Cancer. Ketu in Lagna causes > reversal of reckoning

and hence Scorpio becomes 1st pregnancy. Its > Lord Mars is in Pisces and

becomes the Lagna of Eldest child. Mars > in Lagna would make him sportive,

Jupiter in 10th Successful etc. > > 2nd Pregnancy by 7th house with 8th lord

Rahu and badhakesh Venus > indicating trouble in marriage and child from 2nd

marriage! Its Lord > Saturn in Aries, debilitated, indicates a GIRL. Now,

take Aries as > Lagna and give reading, the difficult nature and rabble

rouser > becomes evident!!> Why trouble in marriage? due to badhakesh

venus? in fact rahu should creat problem for the pregnency itself. also if rahu

is present in the child's lagna..is it not that the next pregnancy - if any,

will be delayed and to be seen from next rashi i.e Aq in this case due to

change in manduka gati? > > Going to 4th pregnancy, Its 11th house or

badhakasthana with 8th > lord causing abortion. > > For a deliberate

abortion - i think rahu's perticipation is more appropriate. also see that the

lord goes in the same house of 2nd one.. that also may be of importance for the

loss. > > on the other hand, due to rahu's presence in Cp and change in

manduka gati therefrom - if you take Ar for the 4th one, things do not match

clearly. considering the fact that lord of Ar happens to be the lord of 1st one

also - i thing loss of pregnancy should be due to medical problem. correct if i

am wrong.> > 5th pregnancy will be Cancer with Moon in Marana Sthana and Ketu

in > Cancer will most probably cause some problems.> > Also, try using

Narayana Dasa of D7 and it becomes clearer. Finally, > using d7 progression,

Sun was transitting in Cancer for 1st, Virgo > for 2nd, Saggitarius for 3rd

at time of birth!!> > Warm Regards> Narayan> > > >

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Dear narayan,

 

yes..i fully agree with you

 

jk

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naaraayana_iyer

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Thursday, June 19, 2003 3:41 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Saptamsa & Abortion: Marcus, Dhira & JKDa

|| Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha ||Dear JKDa,I did not say

that "Rahu causes sex-change" ... what I said was "let's assume that Rahu

causes sex-change" so as to not get tangled into these exceptions and focus on

explaining the nature of the child using the paaka lagna of the child. Please

refer to the first 2 paragraphs of my mail.As far as Manduka Gati is

concerened, I have not found consistent use of it, which means that there is a

lot more to be learnt from it. Hence I brushed it aside, and focussed on paaka

lagna. Obviously, 2nd pregnancy should have been lost with Rahu (8th lord)

there and Venus (Baadhakesh) there and its lord Saturn in 10th house of Maraka

in Saptamsa. However, taking Aries as the Lagna does explain the nature of the

child, doesn't it???Bottomline, many rules are unclear and we need to do some

more serious research on it, before we can take them for granted and use them

reliably. This is not the case now. Hence, a fail-proof (well almost ) method

is to use paakal lagna.Another important assumption we have made is that we have

not questioned the native so far and depended on the intermediary (Marcus). More

often than not, people are not clear about what they say and I dont say it in a

negative way and definitely no offense intended to our friend Marcus ... but

most people dont feel it neccessary to tell us if they had prior

miscarriage/abortion unless grilled in person! So we cannot take anything at

face-value!!!!!!!!For Example, if Taurus is indeed the Lagna, then first

pregnancy must have been aborted .. so on and so forth. Hopefully I have been

able to put my views across clearly and eliminates confusion to a considerable

extent :)Warm RegardsNarayanvedic astrology, "j.k.

dasgupta" <dgassociates@s...> wrote:> dear narayan,> > very good analysis. > >

you have told that rahu causes change of sex. can you plz elaborate more on

this? what are the parameters? other doubts are as below,> > jk> -----

Original Message ----- > naaraayana_iyer > To:

vedic astrology > Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:20 AM>

[vedic astrology] Saptamsa & Abortion: Marcus, Dhira & JKDa> > > ||

Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha ||> > Namaste Friends,> >

When it comes to the topic of Saptamsa and Sex-Determination, rules > are

still not clear. A lot of research needs to be done before we > can blindly

start using rules/principles we now use and take for > granted!!> > Hence,

the best way, in my opinion is to, rectify Saptamsa and > understand it to

ascertain the individual child's nature using its > Paaka Lagna. > > Lets

take the case of Marcus' lady friend, whose chart was posted on > the list a

week back.> > In Saptamsa, Taurus rises with 5H (Capricorn) containing the

10L > Rahu & Lagna Lord Venus. Now, 10L is Maraka and would usually kill >

the child in question. Lets assume that child suruvived because of > presence

of Saptamsa Lagna Lord Venus who is a survivor by nature! > Lets take 5th lord

now ... it is Saturn which is debilitated in > Aries. Now as per normal rules,

this would mean a GIRL!! Lets assume > that Rahu caused the sex-change(?) and

this means a BOY as given by > Marcus.> > Now, instead of being happy using

unclear rules, we should go a step > further and ascertain the childs nature.

We should be able to fairly > describe the individual child and thereby

confirming whether our > assumptions about the arcane rules and assumptions

are indeed > correct!> > Here Aries is Lagna, with Debilitated Saturn and

Lagna lord in 12th > house and Sarpa Yoga. This combination does not indicate

a happy > child, in fact it shows an angry & miserable child who suffers from

> depression and low self-esteem!!> > 2nd pregnancy is shown by 7th house,

lets take both Scorpio and > Pisces as alternatives. With Scorpio, lord Mars

situated in Pisces > becomes the Lagna for 2nd child, lets once again assume

that Rahu > caused the sex change. Taking Pisces as Lagna does show an >

authorative person, but someone who is more dharmik and one who is > very

scrupulous as we have Dharma-karmadhipati Yoga. I doubt this > shows a

rabble-rouser with a difficult nature!!! Now, taking Pisces > as pregnancy

house, take Jupiter in Saggitarius as Lagna and give > reading. Again Hamsa

Maha Purusa Yoga and the best form of Dharma-> karamdipati yoga!! Thus, our

assumptions on Saptmsa Lagna is most > probably incorrect!> > Hence I feel

Saptmsa Lagna should be Cancer. Ketu in Lagna causes > reversal of reckoning

and hence Scorpio becomes 1st pregnancy. Its > Lord Mars is in Pisces and

becomes the Lagna of Eldest child. Mars > in Lagna would make him sportive,

Jupiter in 10th Successful etc. > > 2nd Pregnancy by 7th house with 8th lord

Rahu and badhakesh Venus > indicating trouble in marriage and child from 2nd

marriage! Its Lord > Saturn in Aries, debilitated, indicates a GIRL. Now,

take Aries as > Lagna and give reading, the difficult nature and rabble

rouser > becomes evident!!> Why trouble in marriage? due to badhakesh

venus? in fact rahu should creat problem for the pregnency itself. also if rahu

is present in the child's lagna..is it not that the next pregnancy - if any,

will be delayed and to be seen from next rashi i.e Aq in this case due to

change in manduka gati? > > Going to 4th pregnancy, Its 11th house or

badhakasthana with 8th > lord causing abortion. > > For a deliberate

abortion - i think rahu's perticipation is more appropriate. also see that the

lord goes in the same house of 2nd one.. that also may be of importance for the

loss. > > on the other hand, due to rahu's presence in Cp and change in

manduka gati therefrom - if you take Ar for the 4th one, things do not match

clearly. considering the fact that lord of Ar happens to be the lord of 1st one

also - i thing loss of pregnancy should be due to medical problem. correct if i

am wrong.> > 5th pregnancy will be Cancer with Moon in Marana Sthana and Ketu

in > Cancer will most probably cause some problems.> > Also, try using

Narayana Dasa of D7 and it becomes clearer. Finally, > using d7 progression,

Sun was transitting in Cancer for 1st, Virgo > for 2nd, Saggitarius for 3rd

at time of birth!!> > Warm Regards> Narayan> > > >

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