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Dear Gurus & Members,

 

I have Cancer ascendant and have got some planets creating

Adhi Yoga in the chart not exactly from Moon but from

Lagna. I have the following questions in mind:

 

1. If Moon itself is a natural benefic then how do we

consider adhi yoga since this can happen in case one has

Cancer, Socrpio & Pisces Lagna? Here, one can not consider

adhi yoga from Moon or one can? Please guide me?

 

2. From Lagna, I have natural benefic Mars in 6th house in

Sagittarius, Mercury is in 7th house in Capricorn with Sun,

Jupiter & Venus are in Aquarius in 8th house. According to

the placements three natural benefics are there and two

functional benefics. Does it signify an adhi yoga at all

since Moon is in 12th house in Gemini with Retrograde

Saturn.

 

The birth details are as follows for your further research,

if required:

 

Date of Birth: 25 January, 1975

Time of Birth: 17:00 hrs.

Place of Birth: Almora, Uttaranchal, India

 

Also if you could kindly tell me the effects of adhi yoga

in current times.

 

Thanks for your time and space.

 

With sincere regards,

Prakash Kandpal

 

 

 

 

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Dear Dr. Satyaprakash,

While I agree with what you have said, including the fact that it is

not necessary that Adhiyoga is formed for Sagitarius alone, I find that

the examples given are faulty in that, Mercury can not be 2 Rasis

removed from Sun as indicated in your examples of 1. Moon in

Sagitarius,2 Moon in Pisces. Similarly Venus or Mercury can not be more

than 3 Rasis apart from Sun as in Moon in Libra example given. Correct

me if I am wrong.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Dr Satya Prakash Chowdhary wrote:

 

 

Aum Namah Shivaya

 

 

 

'Yogas' is a complex topic for

discussion even for teachers. This is one area that is unique to Vedic

astrology and probably even the Greeks in some form. Unless one has

studied all the Yogas systematically and compared different texts and

commentators, one misses the full picture. Quoting any single text

often gives only a fragmented understanding. While the fragments may be

helpful in giving us *some* understanding, they could

be misleading too at times.

 

Since some of you have started

a discussion on the Adhi yoga, I will try to give a more

complete picture of the Chandradhi yoga though as briefly as possible.

Let's start with the magnum opus- BPHS. According to Parasara, benefics

in the 6th, 7th, and 8th places from

the Moon constitute the Chandradhi yoga. Adhi yoga is said to make one

a King, Minister or Army Chief according to the strength

(‘balakramaat’) of the benefics. In other words the results of the yoga

are based on how strong the benefics are.

 

One could come up with Adhi

yogas of varying strengths after calculating the permutations possible.

Of these some are comparatively stronger. Siva has outlined one such

for Dhanus (Sagittarius). But it is not true that a “first

class Adhi yoga can form only for Saggitarius lagna with moon in it” as

he suggests. I will cite more. Consider this.

 

Moon in Aries

Mercury in the 6th in

Virgo

Venus in in the 7th

in Libra

Jupiter in Scorpio in the 8th

 

In this instance, Mercury is

exalted, Venus in own house and Jupiter in a friend’s house. Now

consider another strong case- what Siva has already touched upon.

 

Moon in Sagittarius

Venus in the 6th in

Taurus

Mercury in the 7th in

Gemini

Jupiter in the 8th in

Cancer

 

Here too one planet (Jupiter) is

exalted while two are in own kshetras. Both the above are instances of

superior Chandradhi yoga. Now I will cite two more.

 

Moon in Pisces

Jupiter in the 6th in

Leo

Mercury in the 7th in

Virgo (exalted)

Venus in the 8th in

Libra (own)

 

Moon in Libra

Venus in the 6th in

Pisces

Jupiter in the 7th in

Aries

Mercury in the 8th in

Gemini

 

Here too Venus is exalted,

Jupiter is in a friend’s house while Mercury is in own house.

 

Having cited four strong cases

of Adhi yoga, let me now cite a weak one.

 

Moon in Leo

Jupiter in the 6th in

Capricorn

Venus in Aquarius

Mercury in Pisces

 

Here both Jupiter and Mercury

are debilitated and hence weak.

 

Now that brings something

interesting to my mind- the Sakata yoga.

 

The Jataka Parijata (7th

chapter) defines this yoga more clearly than other texts. According to

it, if Jupiter is in the 6th or 8th from the Moon

and (Jupiter) is in not in a Kendra, it constitutes Sakata yoga. So

this brings to mind another interesting situation. What if there is

Chandradhi yoga too? The first three instances of a strong Adhi yoga

that I have cited earlier, can all qualify for Sakata yoga too provided

Jupiter is not in a Kendra (which can happen 2 out of three times

approximately as there are 12 houses and only 4 kendras). So what

happens?

 

Both the yogas prevail and the

dosha of Sakata yoga can weaken the Adhi yoga.

 

Seven forms of

Chandradhi Yoga:

 

Considering the positions of

Jupiter, Venus and Mercury, Adhi yoga can be of 7 types.

 

All

three in the 6th

All

three in the 7th

All

three in the 8th

in the 6th

and 7th

in the 6th

and 8th

in the 7th

and 8th

One each

in the 6th, 7th and 8th.

 

While all of the above cases can

qualify for full fledged and equally good Adhi yoga,

The presence of Sakata yoga can

weaken the Adhi yoga. So in all the cases where Jupiter is in the 6th

or 8th and is not in a Kendra, the Adhi yoga is weakened.

But as long as Jupiter is in a Kendra, it is ok. Of course generally

speaking it is better to have Jupiter in the 7th than in the

6th or 8th as that would be like a jewel unused

or wasted (I remember Sri K. N. Rao ji referring to benefics in

dusthanas as wasted benefics in some article)

 

 

Three types of

Chandradhi yoga

 

While Parasara mentions only the

Shubhadhi yoga (benefic Adhi yoga), others like Bhattotpala mention

three types. In his commentary on ‘Brihat Jataka’ Bhattotpala

enumerates three types of Adhi yoga.

 

Shubhaadhi

yoga: Benefics in the 6th, 7th, 8th

Paapaadhi

yoga: Malefics in the 6th, 7th, 8th

Misramaadhi

yoga: both benefics and malefics in the 6th, 7th,

8th

Since

someone on the list seems to suggest that functional benefics may also

constitute Adhi yoga, let me state the classical view in this respect.

Only natural benefics are to be taken into consideration for the Adhi

yoga. Likewise only the natural malefics constitute a Paapaadhi yoga.

 

Another point that should have

been clarified is the strength of the Moon. In the first place Moon

should be strong. The Chandradhi yoga derives its power from the

presence of the benefics in the 6th, 7th, and 8th

FROM THE MOON. In other words it centers on the Moon. Hence a weak Moon

cannot confer the blessings of the yoga. Firstly it is preferable to

have a Poorna Chandra (full Moon). At least it should not be a Ksheena

Chandra which is considered a Papa (malefic).

It should be remembered that while the Moon himself is actually not a

malefic, a ksheenachandra is deemed a Papa because other planets lose

their capacity to bestow any auspicious results that they are otherwise

capable of giving. Technically ksheenachandra is Moon within 24 degrees

of the Sun.

 

Apart from the above anything

that weakens the Moon, can reduce the effects of the Chandradhi yoga.

Again I refer the reader to Sri K. N. Rao ji’s article on Gajakesari

yoga where he describes the conditions that can weaken or spoil the

Moon.

 

Lagnadhi yoga:

 

Finally I should refer to the

Lagnadhi yoga too since some think that both the Chandraadhi yoga and

Lagnadhi yoga are same except for the reckoning from Moon being shifted

to the Lagna. Both are not nearly the same in their nature or quality.

What conditions constitute the Lagnadhi yoga?

 

Benefics in the 6th, 7th

8th from Lagna constitute the Lagnadhi yoga. Another version

states that benefics in the 7th and 8th from

Lagna constitute the Lagnadhi yoga. But it is Jataka Parijata that

defines the Lagnadhi yoga more clearly by qualifying it further.

According to this text Lagnadhi yoga gets formed only when there are no

malefics in the 4th (paapaissukhasthaana vivarjithaischa).

Since at least one other version gives happiness among the results of

Lagnadhi yoga, Jataka Parijata’s definition is quite logical. How can

one be happy if the 4th house is afflicted by malefics. The 4th

house is the ‘sukha sthana’ and malefics here can signify

discontentment, inner dissatisfaction/insecurity or unhappiness

depending on the extent of affliction. Moreover apart from the first

house, the fourth house is the most important of all the kendras, the

pillars that support the chart. Thus Jataka Parijata’s gives us the

complete picture of the Lagnadhi yoga.

 

 

Regards,

Satya Prakash

 

 

 

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Dear Chandrasekhar ji,

 

Please read below.

 

> While I agree with what you have said, including the fact that it

is not

> necessary that Adhiyoga is formed for Sagitarius alone, I find

that the

> examples given are faulty in that, Mercury can not be 2 Rasis

removed

> from Sun as indicated in your examples of 1. Moon in Sagitarius,2

Moon

> in Pisces. Similarly Venus or Mercury can not be more than 3 Rasis

apart

> from Sun as in Moon in Libra example given. Correct me if I am

wrong.

 

I wonder why you brought Sun into the picture for the first 2

examples of Moon in Sag or Moon in Pisces.

 

As for the Moon in Libra example, Mercury's position is obviously a

typo because I clearly mentioned Mercury in the 8th but wrote Gemini

instead of Taurus. Please read it as Taurus instead of Gemini as

that is the 8th from libra. This is what I meant and Adhi yoga

requires that these planets are in the 6th, 7th and 8th. I hope that

the mistake is obvious and can be understood easily.

 

As for the first 2 examples can you explain why Sun has been brought

into the picture? The Sun could be anywhere except within 24 degrees

of the Moon though it is preferred to be a strong Moon. Even if you

are implying that the Moon should be strong, Moon is quite strong

easily anywhere over 5 signs away from the Sun upto an opposition

(full Moon). And you will find an appropriate position for the Sun

for both these positions of Mercury and Venus.

 

 

Regards,

Satya Prakash

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Dear Dr. Satyaprakashji,

The reason is self evident. When Mercury and Venus are in alternate

rasis( 6th/8th) Sun has to be either in 5th or 9th house, for Adhi yoga

to occur.As I understand, astronomically, Mercury cannot be more than

28 degrees away from Sun(Elongation) and Venus more than 48 degrees and

hence Sun does come into picture. So where-ever Mercury is in 6th and

Venus in 8th or vice-a-versa, Adhiyoga can not be said to have

occurred. Moon has nothing to do with this, and I do not understand why

you assumed I was reffering to proximity of Sun to Moon. You might like

to illustrate how , as you said . appropriate position of Sun is to be

arrived at in the cases under reference.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote:

Dear Chandrasekhar ji,

Please read below.

While I agree with what you have said, including the fact that it

is not

necessary that Adhiyoga is formed for Sagitarius alone, I find

that the

examples given are faulty in that, Mercury can not be 2 Rasis

removed

from Sun as indicated in your examples of 1. Moon in Sagitarius,2

Moon

in Pisces. Similarly Venus or Mercury can not be more than 3 Rasis

apart

from Sun as in Moon in Libra example given. Correct me if I am

wrong.

I wonder why you brought Sun into the picture for the first 2 examples of Moon

in Sag or Moon in Pisces. As for the Moon in Libra example, Mercury's position

is obviously a typo because I clearly mentioned Mercury in the 8th but wrote

Gemini instead of Taurus. Please read it as Taurus instead of Gemini as that is

the 8th from libra. This is what I meant and Adhi yoga requires that these

planets are in the 6th, 7th and 8th. I hope that the mistake is obvious and can

be understood easily. As for the first 2 examples can you explain why Sun has

been brought into the picture? The Sun could be anywhere except within 24

degrees of the Moon though it is preferred to be a strong Moon. Even if you are

implying that the Moon should be strong, Moon is quite strong easily anywhere

over 5 signs away from the Sun upto an opposition (full Moon). And you will

find an appropriate position for the Sun for both these positions of Mercury

and Venus. Regards,

Satya Prakash

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Dear friends ,

Find an attached chart for partial low grade Chandraadhi Yoga and Gaj kesari

Yoga.Moon in own 4th house.Ven in Cap in friends house.Mer in Sag in neutrals

house.Jup in libra in enemy's house.

Mer dasa was at birth.Father had a govt job from before his birth.With the

advent of Venus dasa the individual had govt job(of good status)Ven-Ven-Jup and

premature retirement in Ven(2nd and 7th lord)-mer(6th lord in rashi

chart)-jup(9th house lord) and moved abroad .It was not a fruitful govt.job as

not many promotions due 10th lord Sat in 8th aspecting Venus in 10th house .In

2005 Moon dasa starts which is in own house in 4th.

So basic thing is that very few charts have top grade yogas and I am sure those

who have are not too much belivers of Jyotish.

With regards,

Jagmeet

 

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Dear Jagmeet ji,

 

>From your post-

 

"So basic thing is that very few charts have top grade yogas and I am sure

those who have are not too much belivers of Jyotish."

 

My question-

Why wouldnt those who have good yogas that work not beleive in Jyotish?

 

Hare Krishna

 

Sudharsanjagmeet s dheendsa <jsdheendsa (AT) juno (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Dear friends ,

Find an attached chart for partial low grade Chandraadhi Yoga and Gaj kesari

Yoga.Moon in own 4th house.Ven in Cap in friends house.Mer in Sag in neutrals

house.Jup in libra in enemy's house.

Mer dasa was at birth.Father had a govt job from before his birth.With the

advent of Venus dasa the individual had govt job(of good status)Ven-Ven-Jup and

premature retirement in Ven(2nd and 7th lord)-mer(6th lord in rashi

chart)-jup(9th house lord) and moved abroad .It was not a fruitful govt.job as

not many promotions due 10th lord Sat in 8th aspecting Venus in 10th house .In

2005 Moon dasa starts which is in own house in 4th.

So basic thing is that very few charts have top grade yogas and I am sure those

who have are not too much belivers of Jyotish.

With regards,

Jagmeet

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Dear Chandrasekharji,

 

Initially I thought that you were referring to what you said below.

But since I assumed that you could not have gone wrong in the

application of the astronomy basics behind Sun, Mercury , Venus

positions, I tried to figure other technical grounds.

 

OK I will straightaway illustrate one case where Mercury is in the

6th and Venus is in the 8th without the Sun having to be in the 5th

or 9th as you say.

 

January 1st 1972.

 

Moon in Gemini

Mercury in Scorpio

Jupiter in Scorpio

Sun in Sagittarius

Venus in Capricorn

 

Here from Chandra lagna Mercury is in the 6th while Venus is in the

8th- a position that you say is impossible! Sun is in the 7th from

the Moon which you say will be in the 5th or 9th (in fact it is the

other way round, the Sun CANNOT be in the 5th or 9th when Mercury is

in the 6th and Venus is in the 8th!!!

 

The above example illustrates my point.

 

Furthermore it is a good example of a strong Misrama Adhi yoga. Moon

is strong and poorna being in the 7th from the Sun. Jupiter and

Mercury are closely conjunct in the 6th from Chandra lagna while

Venus is in the 8th. Moreover Jupiter is atmakaraka and Mercury is

amatyakaraka for this particular case with Dhanurlagna.

 

It is actually a strong Adhi yoga though Misrama. In actual life

also so far the effects of the yoga have been experienced strongly

in the respective antardasas.

 

Since I have illustrated a particular case I might as well discuss a

paradoxical aspect of Shubhaadhi and Misramaadhi yogas. In actual

life a poorna Shubhaadhi yoga NEVER occurs and only a Misramaadhi

yoga is possible IF one wants a POORNACHANDRA. Why? If the Moon is

full, it has to be opposite the Sun and hence the Sun in the 7th

since the reckoning is from Chandra lagna for Chandradhiyoga. Since

the Sun is a malefic and has joined the yoga (by virtue of being in

one of the 3 houses) he makes it a misramayoga. This is invariably

the case for all cases of Poornachandra. But as you know when the

Moon is full he empowers the other planets that are capable of

giving yoga.

 

After studying at least 12 cases thoroughly I feel that a Misramadhi

yoga with Poornachandra is better than Subhadhi yoga with a weak

Moon, though the malefics tell another or a different angle of story

(they normally show the obstacles and difficulties faced). It is a

basic accepted fact of jyotish that yogas bestowed by other planets

too get reduced if the moon is weak.

 

 

Hope the above helps.

 

Regards,

Satya

 

 

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Dr. Satyaprakashji,

> The reason is self evident. When Mercury and Venus are in

alternate

> rasis( 6th/8th) Sun has to be either in 5th or 9th house, for Adhi

yoga

> to occur.As I understand, astronomically, Mercury cannot be more

than 28

> degrees away from Sun(Elongation) and Venus more than 48 degrees

and

> hence Sun does come into picture. So where-ever Mercury is in 6th

and

> Venus in 8th or vice-a-versa, Adhiyoga can not be said to have

occurred.

> Moon has nothing to do with this, and I do not understand why you

> assumed I was reffering to proximity of Sun to Moon. You might

like to

> illustrate how , as you said . appropriate position of Sun is to

be

> arrived at in the cases under reference.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrasekhar ji,

>

> Please read below.

>

>

>

> >While I agree with what you have said, including the fact that it

> >

> >

> is not

>

>

> >necessary that Adhiyoga is formed for Sagitarius alone, I find

> >

> >

> that the

>

>

> >examples given are faulty in that, Mercury can not be 2 Rasis

> >

> >

> removed

>

>

> >from Sun as indicated in your examples of 1. Moon in Sagitarius,2

> >

> >

> Moon

>

>

> >in Pisces. Similarly Venus or Mercury can not be more than 3

Rasis

> >

> >

> apart

>

>

> >from Sun as in Moon in Libra example given. Correct me if I am

> >

> >

> wrong.

>

> I wonder why you brought Sun into the picture for the first 2

> examples of Moon in Sag or Moon in Pisces.

>

> As for the Moon in Libra example, Mercury's position is obviously

a

> typo because I clearly mentioned Mercury in the 8th but wrote

Gemini

> instead of Taurus. Please read it as Taurus instead of Gemini as

> that is the 8th from libra. This is what I meant and Adhi yoga

> requires that these planets are in the 6th, 7th and 8th. I hope

that

> the mistake is obvious and can be understood easily.

>

> As for the first 2 examples can you explain why Sun has been

brought

> into the picture? The Sun could be anywhere except within 24

degrees

> of the Moon though it is preferred to be a strong Moon. Even if

you

> are implying that the Moon should be strong, Moon is quite strong

> easily anywhere over 5 signs away from the Sun upto an opposition

> (full Moon). And you will find an appropriate position for the Sun

> for both these positions of Mercury and Venus.

>

>

> Regards,

> Satya Prakash

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||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Sudharsan,

 

Because those who have first class yogas in their charts, would

achieve success in their lives (without much difficulty) and thus

would not have recourse to understand how they are destined to get

the success. Insecurity and exposure to frequent difficulties play a

huge role in coming to an astrologer or learning about astrology.

And as for belief, that is something which can only be ingrained

over a period of time.

 

Of course this is my opinion and you can agree to disagree, :-)

 

regards

Hari

 

vedic astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan

<sudhar108> wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Jagmeet ji,

>

> From your post-

>

> "So basic thing is that very few charts have top grade yogas and

I am sure those who have are not too much belivers of Jyotish."

>

> My question-

> Why wouldnt those who have good yogas that work not beleive in

Jyotish?

>

> Hare Krishna

>

> Sudharsan

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Dear Hari ji

 

I would like to say may be in a very few cases people might achieve

success without difficulties.But truth is there is an unseen part in

the life of any successful person.Let it be Gandhiji or Kennedy or

Mata Amritananda Mayi etc inspite of having yogas.

 

Then the second point.It is not necessary that difficulties and

failures only forces one to learn astrology.There are people who

learn this purely by chance/destiny and interest(but the

difficulties in them were not the cause for learning).But you are

right as majority resort to astrology when they lose faith in other

(but not all).

 

Thanks

Pradeep

vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari>

wrote:

> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

>

> Dear Sudharsan,

>

> Because those who have first class yogas in their charts, would

> achieve success in their lives (without much difficulty) and thus

> would not have recourse to understand how they are destined to get

> the success. Insecurity and exposure to frequent difficulties play

a

> huge role in coming to an astrologer or learning about astrology.

> And as for belief, that is something which can only be ingrained

> over a period of time.

>

> Of course this is my opinion and you can agree to disagree, :-)

>

> regards

> Hari

>

> vedic astrology, Sudharsan Srinivasan

> <sudhar108> wrote:

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Dear Jagmeet ji,

> >

> > From your post-

> >

> > "So basic thing is that very few charts have top grade yogas

and

> I am sure those who have are not too much belivers of Jyotish."

> >

> > My question-

> > Why wouldnt those who have good yogas that work not beleive in

> Jyotish?

> >

> > Hare Krishna

> >

> > Sudharsan

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Dear Chandrasekharji,

 

I guess that our discussion now shifts to whether Adhi yoga is

formed or not if Sun joins the benefics in 6,7,8. Did I get your

contention right?

 

Well if that is the case, then we may be holding differing views

about whether the presence of a malefic like Sun along with the

benefics negates the Adhi yoga or not. Well as I stated initially

some classics clearly allow such a thing to happen. That is why I

had covered in my first post itself this point to show the various

versions of Adhi yoga. While some are silent about any malefics joi

ning the yoga, some clearly make allowance for this. That is why the

three kinds of Adhi yoga are mentioned. Misramadhi yoga is dealt

with both by Bhattotpala and Srutakirti. You may refer to

Bhattotpala's commentary on Brihat Jataka for this. It is clearly

stated that if only benefics participate, it is called Shubhadhi

yoga, while malefic association along with the benefics forms a

Misramadhi yoga.

 

If you believe that Sun's participation does not allow Adhi yoga to

occur, I will have to disagree with that as I have seen many

classical scholars like Madhura Krishnamurthy sastry garu support

this argument. Moreover at least two classical scholars support this

view. In fact some say that Shubhadhi yoga is uttama, misramadhi

yoga is misrama, ashubhadhi yoga is alpa.

 

Right from the start I had the Sun in the 7th in mind as that is the

only position that allows Mercury and Venus to be in the 6th and 8th

(it goes without saying) and gives the Moon full strength. I had

actually written only the positions of Moon, Mercury, Jupiter and

Venus as these were the focus of the Yoga. In my first post itself I

had clearly stated below my view (with classical support) about

Malefics joining the Adhi yoga.

 

I will state my position once again- Sun joining the Benefics will

not negate the Adhi yoga.

 

 

Regards,

Satya

 

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vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Dr. Satyaprakash,

> I think you have forgotten that we are talking about Adhi Yoga

here. In

> the example given by you, hereunder,to prove your point, Sun is

in 7th

> . Sun is not a benefic and therefore Adhi yoga cannot arise. That

> apart, in the examples given by you Sun was not given in 7th house

at

> all. I request you to once again indicate how in the position of

Adhi

> yoga when 6,7 and 8 are occupied by Benefics and Mer/Ven in 6 and

8 Sun

> can be in 7th and still Adhiyoga could take place. If you read my

mail

> again, I have not said that Venus and Mercury cannot be in 1 and 3

rasis

> but that Venus can not be more than 2 Rasis and Mercury not more

than

> one Rasi apart from Sun. The example given by you is not the one

> originally given where if I remember right, and I am certain that

I do,

> you had shown Mer in 6th Jup in 7th and Venus in 8th and vice-a

versa.

> Kindly show where Sun can be in the original example given by you

for

> Adhi yoga to occur if not in 5th or 9th house.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote:

>

> >Dear Chandrasekharji,

> >

> >Initially I thought that you were referring to what you said

below.

> >But since I assumed that you could not have gone wrong in the

> >application of the astronomy basics behind Sun, Mercury , Venus

> >positions, I tried to figure other technical grounds.

> >

> >OK I will straightaway illustrate one case where Mercury is in

the

> >6th and Venus is in the 8th without the Sun having to be in the

5th

> >or 9th as you say.

> >

> >January 1st 1972.

> >

> >Moon in Gemini

> >Mercury in Scorpio

> >Jupiter in Scorpio

> >Sun in Sagittarius

> >Venus in Capricorn

> >

> >Here from Chandra lagna Mercury is in the 6th while Venus is in

the

> >8th- a position that you say is impossible! Sun is in the 7th

from

> >the Moon which you say will be in the 5th or 9th (in fact it is

the

> >other way round, the Sun CANNOT be in the 5th or 9th when Mercury

is

> >in the 6th and Venus is in the 8th!!!

> >

> >The above example illustrates my point.

> >

> >Furthermore it is a good example of a strong Misrama Adhi yoga.

Moon

> >is strong and poorna being in the 7th from the Sun. Jupiter and

> >Mercury are closely conjunct in the 6th from Chandra lagna while

> >Venus is in the 8th. Moreover Jupiter is atmakaraka and Mercury

is

> >amatyakaraka for this particular case with Dhanurlagna.

> >

> >It is actually a strong Adhi yoga though Misrama. In actual life

> >also so far the effects of the yoga have been experienced

strongly

> >in the respective antardasas.

> >

> >Since I have illustrated a particular case I might as well

discuss a

> >paradoxical aspect of Shubhaadhi and Misramaadhi yogas. In

actual

> >life a poorna Shubhaadhi yoga NEVER occurs and only a Misramaadhi

> >yoga is possible IF one wants a POORNACHANDRA. Why? If the Moon

is

> >full, it has to be opposite the Sun and hence the Sun in the 7th

> >since the reckoning is from Chandra lagna for Chandradhiyoga.

Since

> >the Sun is a malefic and has joined the yoga (by virtue of being

in

> >one of the 3 houses) he makes it a misramayoga. This is

invariably

> >the case for all cases of Poornachandra. But as you know when the

> >Moon is full he empowers the other planets that are capable of

> >giving yoga.

> >

> >After studying at least 12 cases thoroughly I feel that a

Misramadhi

> >yoga with Poornachandra is better than Subhadhi yoga with a weak

> >Moon, though the malefics tell another or a different angle of

story

> >(they normally show the obstacles and difficulties faced). It is

a

> >basic accepted fact of jyotish that yogas bestowed by other

planets

> >too get reduced if the moon is weak.

> >

> >

> >Hope the above helps.

> >

> >Regards,

> >Satya

> >

> >

> >vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<boxdel>

> >wrote:

> >

> >

> >>Dear Dr. Satyaprakashji,

> >>The reason is self evident. When Mercury and Venus are in

> >>

> >>

> >alternate

> >

> >

> >>rasis( 6th/8th) Sun has to be either in 5th or 9th house, for

Adhi

> >>

> >>

> >yoga

> >

> >

> >>to occur.As I understand, astronomically, Mercury cannot be more

> >>

> >>

> >than 28

> >

> >

> >>degrees away from Sun(Elongation) and Venus more than 48 degrees

> >>

> >>

> >and

> >

> >

> >>hence Sun does come into picture. So where-ever Mercury is in

6th

> >>

> >>

> >and

> >

> >

> >>Venus in 8th or vice-a-versa, Adhiyoga can not be said to have

> >>

> >>

> >occurred.

> >

> >

> >>Moon has nothing to do with this, and I do not understand why

you

> >>assumed I was reffering to proximity of Sun to Moon. You might

> >>

> >>

> >like to

> >

> >

> >>illustrate how , as you said . appropriate position of Sun is to

> >>

> >>

> >be

> >

> >

> >>arrived at in the cases under reference.

> >>Regards,

> >>Chandrashekhar.

> >>

> >>Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote:

> >>

> >>Dear Chandrasekhar ji,

> >>

> >>Please read below.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>While I agree with what you have said, including the fact that

it

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>is not

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>necessary that Adhiyoga is formed for Sagitarius alone, I find

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>that the

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>examples given are faulty in that, Mercury can not be 2 Rasis

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>removed

> >>

> >>

> >>>from Sun as indicated in your examples of 1. Moon in

Sagitarius,2

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>Moon

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>in Pisces. Similarly Venus or Mercury can not be more than 3

> >>>

> >>>

> >Rasis

> >

> >

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>apart

> >>

> >>

> >>>from Sun as in Moon in Libra example given. Correct me if I am

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>wrong.

> >>

> >>I wonder why you brought Sun into the picture for the first 2

> >>examples of Moon in Sag or Moon in Pisces.

> >>

> >>As for the Moon in Libra example, Mercury's position is

obviously

> >>

> >>

> >a

> >

> >

> >>typo because I clearly mentioned Mercury in the 8th but wrote

> >>

> >>

> >Gemini

> >

> >

> >>instead of Taurus. Please read it as Taurus instead of Gemini as

> >>that is the 8th from libra. This is what I meant and Adhi yoga

> >>requires that these planets are in the 6th, 7th and 8th. I hope

> >>

> >>

> >that

> >

> >

> >>the mistake is obvious and can be understood easily.

> >>

> >>As for the first 2 examples can you explain why Sun has been

> >>

> >>

> >brought

> >

> >

> >>into the picture? The Sun could be anywhere except within 24

> >>

> >>

> >degrees

> >

> >

> >>of the Moon though it is preferred to be a strong Moon. Even if

> >>

> >>

> >you

> >

> >

> >>are implying that the Moon should be strong, Moon is quite

strong

> >>easily anywhere over 5 signs away from the Sun upto an

opposition

> >>(full Moon). And you will find an appropriate position for the

Sun

> >>for both these positions of Mercury and Venus.

> >>

> >>

> >>Regards,

> >>Satya Prakash

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

 

> >

> >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

> >

> >

> >

> >Your use of is subject to

 

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Chandrasekharji,

 

Rest assured that you have not offended me at all. Wonder whatever

gave you that impression. Email does such things at times. No way.

Both had stuck to the technical discussion without any personals. To

me it was a good discussion. As for agreeing to disagree, it is a

common thing in all fields. I do respect your right to hold your

views just as I would hold my view. Jyotish is such a vast field and

there are different views on many points. I had seen scholars debate

on this very topic- the Adhi yoga- many times earlier too.

 

 

Regards,

Satya

 

 

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Dr. Satyaprakash,

> If I have offended you,as appears to be the case from the tone of

your

> reply, be assured that I had no such intention.However our

discussion

> has not shifted from my side, it was always about when Adhi yoga

occurs

> and whether it is only limited to Sagittarius Ascendant. The

confusion

> would not have arisen had you written Mercury in 6th, Sun and

Jupiter in

> 7th and Venus in 9th, and indicated that this is the Mishraadhi

yoga.

> About Adhi yoga per se, since Bhattotpala indicates its

variation,

> Mishraadhi Yoga is not Adhi yoga is clear to me. However you are

welcome

> to your opinion that Mishraadhi yoga is Adhi yoga. Since I do not

get

> the difference between Malefic and Ashubha, the third variation

Ashubha

> yoga its basis is difficult for me to follow. I know that Sun is

treated

> as Krura and not Malefic by some scholars ( I too to

that

> view) but it is no called Shubha by any scholar to the best of my

> limited knowledge.

> I am probably a stickler for the literal application of yoga and

it is

> too late to change my views on this. Let us agree to disagree

since we

> hold diametrically opposite views on Adhi Yoga..

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote:

>

> >Dear Chandrasekharji,

> >

> >I guess that our discussion now shifts to whether Adhi yoga is

> >formed or not if Sun joins the benefics in 6,7,8. Did I get your

> >contention right?

> >

> >Well if that is the case, then we may be holding differing views

> >about whether the presence of a malefic like Sun along with the

> >benefics negates the Adhi yoga or not. Well as I stated initially

> >some classics clearly allow such a thing to happen. That is why I

> >had covered in my first post itself this point to show the

various

> >versions of Adhi yoga. While some are silent about any malefics

joi

> >ning the yoga, some clearly make allowance for this. That is why

the

> >three kinds of Adhi yoga are mentioned. Misramadhi yoga is dealt

> >with both by Bhattotpala and Srutakirti. You may refer to

> >Bhattotpala's commentary on Brihat Jataka for this. It is clearly

> >stated that if only benefics participate, it is called Shubhadhi

> >yoga, while malefic association along with the benefics forms a

> >Misramadhi yoga.

> >

> >If you believe that Sun's participation does not allow Adhi yoga

to

> >occur, I will have to disagree with that as I have seen many

> >classical scholars like Madhura Krishnamurthy sastry garu support

> >this argument. Moreover at least two classical scholars support

this

> >view. In fact some say that Shubhadhi yoga is uttama, misramadhi

> >yoga is misrama, ashubhadhi yoga is alpa.

> >

> >Right from the start I had the Sun in the 7th in mind as that is

the

> >only position that allows Mercury and Venus to be in the 6th and

8th

> >(it goes without saying) and gives the Moon full strength. I had

> >actually written only the positions of Moon, Mercury, Jupiter and

> >Venus as these were the focus of the Yoga. In my first post

itself I

> >had clearly stated below my view (with classical support) about

> >Malefics joining the Adhi yoga.

> >

> >I will state my position once again- Sun joining the Benefics

will

> >not negate the Adhi yoga.

> >

> >

> >Regards,

> >Satya

> >

> >======================================================

> >

> >vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

<boxdel>

> >wrote:

> >

> >

> >>Dear Dr. Satyaprakash,

> >>I think you have forgotten that we are talking about Adhi Yoga

> >>

> >>

> >here. In

> >

> >

> >>the example given by you, hereunder,to prove your point, Sun is

> >>

> >>

> >in 7th

> >

> >

> >>. Sun is not a benefic and therefore Adhi yoga cannot arise.

That

> >>apart, in the examples given by you Sun was not given in 7th

house

> >>

> >>

> >at

> >

> >

> >>all. I request you to once again indicate how in the position

of

> >>

> >>

> >Adhi

> >

> >

> >>yoga when 6,7 and 8 are occupied by Benefics and Mer/Ven in 6

and

> >>

> >>

> >8 Sun

> >

> >

> >>can be in 7th and still Adhiyoga could take place. If you read

my

> >>

> >>

> >mail

> >

> >

> >>again, I have not said that Venus and Mercury cannot be in 1 and

3

> >>

> >>

> >rasis

> >

> >

> >>but that Venus can not be more than 2 Rasis and Mercury not more

> >>

> >>

> >than

> >

> >

> >>one Rasi apart from Sun. The example given by you is not the one

> >>originally given where if I remember right, and I am certain

that

> >>

> >>

> >I do,

> >

> >

> >>you had shown Mer in 6th Jup in 7th and Venus in 8th and vice-a

> >>

> >>

> >versa.

> >

> >

> >>Kindly show where Sun can be in the original example given by

you

> >>

> >>

> >for

> >

> >

> >>Adhi yoga to occur if not in 5th or 9th house.

> >>Regards,

> >>Chandrashekhar.

> >>

> >>Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>Dear Chandrasekharji,

> >>>

> >>>Initially I thought that you were referring to what you said

> >>>

> >>>

> >below.

> >

> >

> >>>But since I assumed that you could not have gone wrong in the

> >>>application of the astronomy basics behind Sun, Mercury , Venus

> >>>positions, I tried to figure other technical grounds.

> >>>

> >>>OK I will straightaway illustrate one case where Mercury is in

> >>>

> >>>

> >the

> >

> >

> >>>6th and Venus is in the 8th without the Sun having to be in the

> >>>

> >>>

> >5th

> >

> >

> >>>or 9th as you say.

> >>>

> >>>January 1st 1972.

> >>>

> >>>Moon in Gemini

> >>>Mercury in Scorpio

> >>>Jupiter in Scorpio

> >>>Sun in Sagittarius

> >>>Venus in Capricorn

> >>>

> >>>Here from Chandra lagna Mercury is in the 6th while Venus is in

> >>>

> >>>

> >the

> >

> >

> >>>8th- a position that you say is impossible! Sun is in the 7th

> >>>

> >>>

> >from

> >

> >

> >>>the Moon which you say will be in the 5th or 9th (in fact it is

> >>>

> >>>

> >the

> >

> >

> >>>other way round, the Sun CANNOT be in the 5th or 9th when

Mercury

> >>>

> >>>

> >is

> >

> >

> >>>in the 6th and Venus is in the 8th!!!

> >>>

> >>>The above example illustrates my point.

> >>>

> >>>Furthermore it is a good example of a strong Misrama Adhi yoga.

> >>>

> >>>

> >Moon

> >

> >

> >>>is strong and poorna being in the 7th from the Sun. Jupiter

and

> >>>Mercury are closely conjunct in the 6th from Chandra lagna

while

> >>>Venus is in the 8th. Moreover Jupiter is atmakaraka and Mercury

> >>>

> >>>

> >is

> >

> >

> >>>amatyakaraka for this particular case with Dhanurlagna.

> >>>

> >>>It is actually a strong Adhi yoga though Misrama. In actual

life

> >>>also so far the effects of the yoga have been experienced

> >>>

> >>>

> >strongly

> >

> >

> >>>in the respective antardasas.

> >>>

> >>>Since I have illustrated a particular case I might as well

> >>>

> >>>

> >discuss a

> >

> >

> >>>paradoxical aspect of Shubhaadhi and Misramaadhi yogas. In

> >>>

> >>>

> >actual

> >

> >

> >>>life a poorna Shubhaadhi yoga NEVER occurs and only a

Misramaadhi

> >>>yoga is possible IF one wants a POORNACHANDRA. Why? If the Moon

> >>>

> >>>

> >is

> >

> >

> >>>full, it has to be opposite the Sun and hence the Sun in the

7th

> >>>since the reckoning is from Chandra lagna for Chandradhiyoga.

> >>>

> >>>

> >Since

> >

> >

> >>>the Sun is a malefic and has joined the yoga (by virtue of

being

> >>>

> >>>

> >in

> >

> >

> >>>one of the 3 houses) he makes it a misramayoga. This is

> >>>

> >>>

> >invariably

> >

> >

> >>>the case for all cases of Poornachandra. But as you know when

the

> >>>Moon is full he empowers the other planets that are capable of

> >>>giving yoga.

> >>>

> >>>After studying at least 12 cases thoroughly I feel that a

> >>>

> >>>

> >Misramadhi

> >

> >

> >>>yoga with Poornachandra is better than Subhadhi yoga with a

weak

> >>>Moon, though the malefics tell another or a different angle of

> >>>

> >>>

> >story

> >

> >

> >>>(they normally show the obstacles and difficulties faced). It

is

> >>>

> >>>

> >a

> >

> >

> >>>basic accepted fact of jyotish that yogas bestowed by other

> >>>

> >>>

> >planets

> >

> >

> >>>too get reduced if the moon is weak.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Hope the above helps.

> >>>

> >>>Regards,

> >>>Satya

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar

> >>>

> >>>

> ><boxdel>

> >

> >

> >>>wrote:

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>Dear Dr. Satyaprakashji,

> >>>>The reason is self evident. When Mercury and Venus are in

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>alternate

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>rasis( 6th/8th) Sun has to be either in 5th or 9th house, for

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >Adhi

> >

> >

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>yoga

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>to occur.As I understand, astronomically, Mercury cannot be

more

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>than 28

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>degrees away from Sun(Elongation) and Venus more than 48

degrees

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>and

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>hence Sun does come into picture. So where-ever Mercury is in

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >6th

> >

> >

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>and

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>Venus in 8th or vice-a-versa, Adhiyoga can not be said to have

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>occurred.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>Moon has nothing to do with this, and I do not understand why

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >you

> >

> >

> >>>>assumed I was reffering to proximity of Sun to Moon. You might

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>like to

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>illustrate how , as you said . appropriate position of Sun is

to

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>be

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>arrived at in the cases under reference.

> >>>>Regards,

> >>>>Chandrashekhar.

> >>>>

> >>>>Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>Dear Chandrasekhar ji,

> >>>>

> >>>>Please read below.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>While I agree with what you have said, including the fact

that

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >it

> >

> >

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>is not

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>necessary that Adhiyoga is formed for Sagitarius alone, I

find

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>that the

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>examples given are faulty in that, Mercury can not be 2 Rasis

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>removed

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>from Sun as indicated in your examples of 1. Moon in

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >Sagitarius,2

> >

> >

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>Moon

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>in Pisces. Similarly Venus or Mercury can not be more than 3

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>Rasis

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>apart

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>from Sun as in Moon in Libra example given. Correct me if I

am

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>wrong.

> >>>>

> >>>>I wonder why you brought Sun into the picture for the first 2

> >>>>examples of Moon in Sag or Moon in Pisces.

> >>>>

> >>>>As for the Moon in Libra example, Mercury's position is

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >obviously

> >

> >

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>a

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>typo because I clearly mentioned Mercury in the 8th but wrote

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>Gemini

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>instead of Taurus. Please read it as Taurus instead of Gemini

as

> >>>>that is the 8th from libra. This is what I meant and Adhi yoga

> >>>>requires that these planets are in the 6th, 7th and 8th. I

hope

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>that

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>the mistake is obvious and can be understood easily.

> >>>>

> >>>>As for the first 2 examples can you explain why Sun has been

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>brought

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>into the picture? The Sun could be anywhere except within 24

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>degrees

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>of the Moon though it is preferred to be a strong Moon. Even

if

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>you

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>are implying that the Moon should be strong, Moon is quite

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >strong

> >

> >

> >>>>easily anywhere over 5 signs away from the Sun upto an

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >opposition

> >

> >

> >>>>(full Moon). And you will find an appropriate position for the

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >Sun

> >

> >

> >>>>for both these positions of Mercury and Venus.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>Regards,

> >>>>Satya Prakash

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Group info: vedic-

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> >>>

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> >>>

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> >

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> >>>

> >>>

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> >>>

> >>>

> >

> >

> >

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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