Partha, Kundalini & Simple Vimsottari Example (Birthdata)

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Dear Partha, Narasimha,

 

Pardon me for the interruption, I do not mean any disrespect to both of you,

whose astrological knowledge I have deep respect for. However I am interrupting

the thread as I think a dangerous path is being pursued.

 

Would it not be better if we get comments of some Guru having capacity to guide

a student in the proper way of Kundalini Jagrati? In so far as I know, it can

rise and dissecting various Chakras reach Sahasrara over time. It can rise up

to certain Chakra and subside but does not remain in any of the Chakras over

time, barring travel from Muladhara to Sahasrara, with out dhyana in case of

the Siddhas, who then become Urdhva drishti.

 

Trying to experiment with rising of Kundalini without guidance of a Guru is

known to have caused mental afflictions of serious nature. So, all this talk

about rise of Kundalini while asleep or its remaining locked up in Ajna Chakra,

might encourage some one to experiment and lead to dire consequence.

 

If I have hurt anyone's feelings, belive me it was not my intention to do so and

I seek their pardon in advance.Certain things happen during the course of

awakening of Kundalini, and on its reaching Sahasrara, which are not mentioned

by either of you, hence the word of caution, I felt, was my duty.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

V.Partha sarathy

[partvinu5 ]Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:21 PMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Partha, Kundalini &

Simple Vimsottari Example (Re: Birthdata)Dear NarasimhaThank you for the

analysis.So kind of you.I am not so sure whether the Kundalini is awakened in

me.THough there is tremendous awareness and understanding of macrocosm, i still

have my own doubts.I have throbbing of Ajna chakra right througout the day, so

i can agree to your analysis.There is doubt, confusion, anger, peace etc, All

these are experiences due to the various nadis getting "cleaned".BTW PT.Rath is

right on target with his prediction that Jupiter transit in Trines to AL(If

Jupiter is in badhaka sthana in a trine in natal chart), may help the person

get a guru who will be bad in nature but will purify the native.This is true in

my case, as i happened to meet a Tantric who insulted me and made fun of me. I

did not feel bad, as he gave me quite good knowledge. He has indeed been the

"trigger" for a major transformation.Under rahu dasa we may meet the wrong

people. But "wrong" is only a perception, as we can never truly understand

Rahu's nature. This wrong may lead us to the right. But we should gaurd our

dharma. So you are hundred percent correct.Under all circumstances i have

upheld my dharma, and this has cost me badly in material spheres. I have lost

jobs and money. But i am not sad, as this has helped me in spiritual

pursuits.And also after experiencing so many material births, i am least

interested in materialism as shown by rahu.So coming back, i am not so sure

whether kundalini has risen or not. But yes, i am constantly feeling energy at

the crown center since last few months. I am now constantly feeling energy in

the body, and also the subtle sensations.This has also helped me understand the

navamsa chart, also the areas where we can give remedies to people.thanks and

loveparthavedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@c...> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> Dear Partha,> > I was just curious after

reading all your experiences like ajna chakra throbbing etc. Thanks for sending

your birthdata to the list and also for resending it to me privately.> > *

* *> > I will make comments on the chart a little later. First, a

point on Kundalini.> > Though I am not an expert on Kundalini, I do not agree

with your caution that Kundalini's is "like a thunderbolt". It may be so in

your case, for various reasons. It is not always the case. Your desctiption

actually made me concerned. That is why I was curious about the chart.> > I

have never meditated on any chakras. I have never done any yoga directed at

Kundalini rise, but I think I too did experience Kundalini rise. I am not so

much into Kundalini and I am only into bhakti yoga (the path of devotion) and

do my poojas sincerely. I have been reading Sri MahaLakshmi's 108 names 108

times every Friday for almost 10 years now (it will be the 10th anniversary in

coming January). I have been doing Satya Narayana vratam on every Full Moon day

for more than 3 years. Originally, I used to pray with desires, but I just pray

now. I am very happy to just pray. I do some other poojas, but these two are

the main ones. Overall, I am into poojas and devotion and not into any

Kundalini yoga, laya yoga, hatha yoga, raja yoga etc. Somehow, they don't

interest me.> > In March 1998, I think my Kundalini woke up during sleep. Of

course, it might be a hallucination. If you want me dismiss me, it is certainly

a tenable viewpoint. But I believe that my Kundali woke up then. Jupiter and

Ketu were transiting within a couple of degrees from my Rahu's natal longitude

and they were in lagna at the time.> > What happened was that I had a dream.

In the dream, I saw a few idols of Vishnu, Lakshmi, Bhoo Devi etc in my front

yard. The idols suddenly became alive (i.e. started moving and talking) and

hundreds of gods descended on my front yard to serve them. The whole place was

lively with a lot of sounds and was full of a splendrous yellow color. While I

was having this dream, I experienced a strange happiness and peace (in my

dream) that I had never experienced in my life. I woke up then (it was a little

before sunrise). It was an unbelievably great feeling and the splendrous yellow

color I saw all around is still fresh in my memory.> > Several years later, I

experienced a rise in Kundalini. This time, it was during a Satya Narayana

vratam on a Full Moon night. It was a Friday. I had not eaten anything in 28

hours, but was feeling great. I did my weekly Lakshmi pooja and then did Satya

Narayana vratam. As a part of the vratam, before reading Vishnu's 1000 names,

we read Lakshmi's 108 names. At the end of reading Lakshmi's names, I felt a

great happiness and an inexpressible sense of calm and comfort. That feeling

lasted for, perhaps, half a minute and it was interrupted by a sensation on the

two sides of my spine (near the location of Manipura chakra). It felt like

someone was biting/scratching me there. It was not too forceful or painful, but

not subtle at all. It was on both the sides of my spine and was simultaneous.

When I turned back, there was nobody. Then the feeling of calm and happiness

returned. I first did not understand it. Later, a learned person remarked that

it was Kundalini.> > Again, this could be wrong, but I believe that Kundalini

pierced thru Brahma granthi at that time. At that time, Jupiter was transiting

a couple of degrees away from my natal Ketu (who is in 12th). He was in lagna

at the time of the experience.> > * * *> > The main point I

want to make is that both the experiences were very positive. I did not feel

any "thunderbolt". The only pain (little bit) I felt during granthi bhedana was

accompanied by a lot of pleasure. You could argue it wasn't Kundalini, but I

believe it was.> > Both the experiences brought a strange and inexpressible

feeling of happiness, calm, pleasure and contentment. They were very positive

experiences.> > I would imagine that a lot of depends on one's own chart and

the path one followed.> > * * *> > Now let us move on to your

(Partha's) chart.> > Before I forget, one key aspect of the chart is that

there is an atma karaka replacement. Sun at 29Sc44 was the AK at birth. Jupiter

at 29Ar16 is AmK at birth, for replaces Sun later in life and becomes the new

AK. This results in a huge internal transformation. This transformation is

happening right now and will end in 2005-2006.> > The transformed AK, Jupiter,

is well-placed in the 5th house with Ketu association in both rasi and vimsamsa.

But, he is afflicted by Rahu in> navamsa and that makes me concerned. Make sure

you follow the purest dharma shown by Jupiter and not fall in the trap of

Rahu.> > In my view, Vimsamsa (D-20) is the chart that shows spiritual

experiences, including Kundalini experiences. The seven chakras (Mooladhara,

Swadhshthana etc) are shown by the houses 7th, 6th, ..., 1st (respectively).

When my Kundalini was awakened in March 1998, nodes were transiting in Sc in

D-20, which is the 7th house in my natal D-20 and contains nodes. When Brahma

granthi (Manipura chakra) was pierced thru, nodes were transiting in Vi in

D-20, which is the 5th house in my natal D-20 and contains 3 key planets.> >

In your D-20, the 2nd house of experiences with ajna chakra is very strong. It

contains Mercury and nodes. This does suggest some experiences. However,

Mercury is in a vimsamsa ruled by goddess Ghora. This seems to suggest some

violence or pain involved in the ajna chakra experiences.> > Rahu and Jupiter

are in the 2nd house in D-20 and you are running Rahu-Mercury antardasa!> >

Talking about dasas, let me demonstrate how Vimsottari dasa is used at the

coarse level. More examples (and more detailed ones) can be found in th

Vimsottari dasa workshop CD.> > Malefic planets give the results of their

state in the first one-third, the results of their ownership and placement in

the middle one-third and the results of association in the last one-third.> >

Thus, Aug 1994-Aug 2002 gives the result of Rahu's strength. Rahu in Leo is not

that strong. In fact, he is in an inimical house. Thus, this is a period of

introspection, confusion and frustration. Aug 2002-Mar 2009 gives the result of

Rahu's 8th house ownership (search of truth) and the 2nd house placement

(experiences of ajna chakra), both taken from Surya lagna (Sun, who is also in

normal lagna in this case).> > Thus, we judge maha dasas and the 3 parts of a

maha dasa. Then we can go to antardasas.> > Mercury antardasa is running from

Aug 2002 to Feb 2005. In your D-20, Mercury is with malefics and hence he too

is a malefic. So, in the first one-third of the AD (Aug 2002-July 2003),

Mercury gives the result of his state. He is in an adhimitra's house and thus

gives good results and direction. You will feel comfortable with your

spirituality.> > While Rahu is the 8th lord from Sun, Mercury is in the 8th

from Moon. Thus, Mercury AD in Rahu MD activates the 8th house fully and gives

sadhana. This happens particularly in the middle one-third of Mercury AD (July

2003-Jan 2004).> > Thus, one can see that the rule of Sun-Moon-lagna for

interpreting 3 levels, when coupled with the rule of 3 parts of a period, makes

readings very simple.> > BTW, you are thoroughly under Rahu's influence. Rahu's

Vimsottari dasa and Moola dasa are running. Even the 8th house of sadhana from

Narayana dasa sign has Rahu. Though Rahu aspected by Jupiter is not

unfavorable, I am wary of a Rahu who joins Jupiter in navamsa. Make sure you

follow a very pure dharma and make sure you follow only the most saattwik

gurus. This dasa may give you many experiences, but I honestly think that the

next dasa of Jupiter will be the one that will fulfil your real potential. By

that time Jupiter dasa comes, the atma karaka replacement will be completed.

Jupiter will be the AK and his dasa will be running. You will achieve a lot

spiritually then. God bless you!> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,>

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Namaste Chandrashekhar ji,

 

> Trying to experiment with rising of Kundalini without guidance of a Guru is>

known to have caused mental afflictions of serious nature. So, all this talk>

about rise of Kundalini while asleep or its remaining locked up in Ajna>

Chakra, might encourage some one to experiment and lead to dire consequence.>

> If I have hurt anyone's feelings, belive me it was not my intention to do so>

and I seek their pardon in advance.Certain things happen during the course> of

awakening of Kundalini, and on its reaching Sahasrara, which are not> mentioned

by either of you, hence the word of caution, I felt, was my duty.> Regards,>

Chandrashekhar.

 

You are absolutely right. An able guru is needed by one who wants to "harness"

the energy of Kundalini. Kundalini rise can give rise not only to severe mental

afflictions as you said, but also to physical afflictions.

 

I (and many similar-minded people who are into the path of surrender) actually

take a more conservative stand. We consider Kundalini to the the Yoga Maya of

the Lord. Instead of harnessing the illusory energy and trying to get some

powers, I'd rather leave Her management to the Lord. She was, after all,

created by Him. That is why I basically said "thanks, but no thanks" when

Partha suggested that I should do Kundalini yoga to make those experiences last

longer.

 

The Yoga Maya residing in us is safe under the management of Krishna (even safer

than under the management of a good guru!). Narayana will manage Her, if we

completely surrender to Him.

 

But complete surrender to Narayana means being prepared for anything (including

going mad or such things that are normally considered "dire") and, at the same

time, not expecting or wanting any specific result (including the Kundalini

rise).

 

Kundalini rise was and is never, and hopefully will never be, my goal. If it

happened, it happened naturally, without any desire or directed effort.

 

Of course, others may not agree with this approach. Good luck to them! But they

will do well to atleast remember Sri Chandrashekhar ji's words of caution.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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Dear Narashimaji,

 

Extremely well put.

 

Although I think you meant Mahamaya instead of Yogamaya.

 

Mahamaya is the illusory energy that all conditioned souls are under the

spell of in the material world.

 

Yogamaya is the internal potency of the Lord, and she puts the liberated

souls in the spiritual world under a spell so that they enjoy different

kinds of loving relationships with the Lord. eg under the spell of Yogamaya

a spirit soul will see Lord Krishna as his cowherd boy friend and will

playfight with Him, tease Him, help Him in his cowherd duties etc almost as

if unaware that Sri Krishna is the supreme Lord. If it wasnt for yoga maya,

once liberated the minute spirit souls would simply see the Lord in awe and

reverence in the mode of servitude- and their relationship would not develop

beyond that.

 

This is a very in depth and highly confidential subject matter and I will

only pass on what I can if any member are interested.

 

Best wishes

 

Kasim

 

! Hare Krishna !

 

 

>"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr

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>[vedic astrology] Re: Partha, Kundalini & Simple Vimsottari

>Example (Re: Birthdata)

>Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:06:38 -0500

>

>Namaste Chandrashekhar ji,

>

> > Trying to experiment with rising of Kundalini without guidance of a Guru

>is

> > known to have caused mental afflictions of serious nature. So, all this

>talk

> > about rise of Kundalini while asleep or its remaining locked up in Ajna

> > Chakra, might encourage some one to experiment and lead to dire

>consequence.

> >

> > If I have hurt anyone's feelings, belive me it was not my intention to

>do so

> > and I seek their pardon in advance.Certain things happen during the

>course

> > of awakening of Kundalini, and on its reaching Sahasrara, which are not

> > mentioned by either of you, hence the word of caution, I felt, was my

>duty.

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

>

>You are absolutely right. An able guru is needed by one who wants to

>"harness" the energy of Kundalini. Kundalini rise can give rise not only to

>severe mental afflictions as you said, but also to physical afflictions.

>

>I (and many similar-minded people who are into the path of surrender)

>actually take a more conservative stand. We consider Kundalini to the the

>Yoga Maya of the Lord. Instead of harnessing the illusory energy and trying

>to get some powers, I'd rather leave Her management to the Lord. She was,

>after all, created by Him. That is why I basically said "thanks, but no

>thanks" when Partha suggested that I should do Kundalini yoga to make those

>experiences last longer.

>

>The Yoga Maya residing in us is safe under the management of Krishna (even

>safer than under the management of a good guru!). Narayana will manage Her,

>if we completely surrender to Him.

>

>But complete surrender to Narayana means being prepared for anything

>(including going mad or such things that are normally considered "dire")

>and, at the same time, not expecting or wanting any specific result

>(including the Kundalini rise).

>

>Kundalini rise was and is never, and hopefully will never be, my goal. If

>it happened, it happened naturally, without any desire or directed effort.

>

>Of course, others may not agree with this approach. Good luck to them! But

>they will do well to atleast remember Sri Chandrashekhar ji's words of

>caution.

>

>May Jupiter's light shine on us,

>Narasimha

 

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