Guest guest Posted December 29, 2003 Report Share Posted December 29, 2003 Dear Pradeep, Allow me to intervene. There is an old mail from Narasimha in the archives. Unfortunately i am unable to access it. The essence of that mail is, we are dividing the planetary degrees, in the Zodiac, into divisions, D-1 also being one such divisional chart. The problem comes from thinking that we are dividing D-1 into further divisions. Parasara said shodasa varga, 16 divisional charts including D-1! He also decribed rasi & graha aspects, without qualifying them or restricting their use to any specific divisional chart. This was how i got over my doubts in this area. Consider it! regards viswanadhamvijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: Dear Partha jiThanks for igniting the thought process and guiding it through new channels, as you always do:)The statement regarding indications in the Rashi and the necessity of its realization to avoid re occurences were also good.I will search for the various Koshas mentioned.I can also relate or coform with your logic.Because the more you divide the finer you discover.And hence divisional charts shows finer elements.But i am not fully satisfied with the second part.My questions were seeking some explanation plus references from the classics.(House concepts in divisional charts and aspects).Let us assume we are constructing a navamsha chart.We have Rashi in hand.We also have a chart template with no entries for making navamsha.Let us go to Lagna in Rashi ,assume it is Sag.We divide Sag into nine(starting with Aries,as fifth from Sag is Aries).If the degree of lagna is 11 in Rashi, then lagna falls in the fourth navamsha division - Cancer,.We go to our template chart and mark - ASC in Cancer.Similarly we go to second house in Rashi - We divide it into nine and since Capricorn is a movable Rashi, navamsha starts from Capricorn itself.If moon was placed at 2 degrees in Rashi,then moon falls in the first (3.2 degree)division of Navamsha ie Capricorn itself.We go to our template chart and mark MO in Capricorn.But now the house in which moon is placed becomes '7' (as Capricorn is seventh from Cancer).Similarly another planet which was at 29 degrees in 2nd house goes to 3rd house in Virgo.Thus what we have done is, just the scattering of planets in a template chart for the easiness of understanding its finer placements.Only logical thing what we have done is dividing each rashi into 9 and finding the exact nava amsha placement of that planet.But i am unable to find the logic behind following house system similar to Rashi.(I found from cup of magic site the logic behind finding the first navamsha in each sign)Hence my request to help me in finding a reference regarding this in Classics.Similarly aspects are due to the angular placements of planets.Even if we divide a rashi into 100 divisions the planets position remains the same.Only thing what we are discovering new is the finer details of its position(environment).For example when looking from a higher level in human body we can say hand has got nails.But when we divide or go closer we can say the nails are part of the palm and further division says it is part of fingers.Thus we are identifying the finer rashi properties within a Rashi(assuming every rashi consists of tattwas of other rashis(Shiv Chadda jis mail) and also related to nakshatra charana (Chandrashekhar jis mail).But the position of the concerned planet w.r to other planets remains the same irrespective of any number of divisions.Hence the aspects has to remain the same as in Rashi.What do you think?Otherwise we have to find a new logic behind this aspect.Kindly think over this and try to help me.If possible i will be happy if you could give some reference regarding house system and aspects in divisional charts.Best RegdsPradeepvedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" wrote:> Dear Pradeep> > > The divisional charts are the finer layers of the person's being.> > THere are five kosas of a human being according to Shankaracharya> > a) Annamaya Kosa(gross body)> b) Pranamaya Kosa(vital body)> c) Manomaya Kosa(mental body)> d) Vignanamaya Kosa(the intelligence body)> e) Anandamaya Kosa(the bliss sheath)> > The higher divisional charts show the impressions formed and carried > due to the various past life karmas. These impressions if not > detected, would repeat again and again. A person divorcing his wife > in past life may get the problem again, if he does not burn away the > past karma.> > All the rules applicable to Rasi chart are applicable to Divisional > charts.> > Jupiter-moon yoga in a divisional chart is as valid as in rasi chart.> When you see a person, you are actually seeing the gross body. You > are not looking at his aura, the four other bodies, the subtle > impressions that he is carrying. Thus any yoga that is there in > subtle bodies is bound to give its effects. I may not have Gaja > Kesari yoga in present life time, infact i have a sakata yoga. But i > have Gaja kesari yoga in past life, whose rewards i am reaping in > this life.> more later> regards> partha> > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > wrote:> > Dear Parthasarathy ji> > > > Thanks for lending your hand.> > > > I would be happy if you can tell me the basis for navamsha > > division.Because in some Rashis the navamsha counting starts from > > itself,while for others it starts from 5,9.> > > > In classics is there any mention of aspects in divisional > > charts.Because with my understanding so far - i feel if one sees > > amshas as a total chart - it could be misleading.It can be drawn as > > a chart, for easier demonstration of planetary positions.> > > > Because if you see Jupiter and Mars together in Navamsha say in > Leo -> > they cannot be actually together,unless they are together in > > Rashi.But it says Jupiter is in navamsha of Leo of a particular > > Rashi and Mars is in the Navamsha of Leo of another Rashi.Thus > > though these are together in Navamsha,We should not analyse this > > together.My understanding is See where is Jupiter in Rashi - > > reconfirm its strength in Navamsha by seeing in which sign it is > > there.Similarly for Mars repeat the procedure.These should be > > analysed individually.Integrated analysis must be done at Rashi > > level.> > Similarly house system in Divisional charts - is there any > > reference in classics.Because any amsha occurences like > > Gopura,Simhasana etc verifies just the occurence of the planets in > > the same rashi.Thus my view is, only the sign and its relation with > > the concerned planet has significance in divisional charts> > (nakshthras are automatically taken care).> > > > My views could wrong ,but i am not convinced ,thus kindly help me > > with your knowledge.> > > > Thanks> > Pradeep> > > > --- In vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > wrote:> > > Dear Pradeep> > > > > > What exactly is your doubt, do you want to know the basis of > > > divisions, divisional charts, or what else? I can prove to be > some > > > help if you reframe your question.> > > regards> > > partha> > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji> > > > >> > > > > I was bit curious about the logic behind divisions within a> > > > > Rashi.Each rashi can be divided further into 9,10,24,60 etc > > > starting> > > > > from aries until pisces and then aries again.Have you come > > across> > > > > any reasons for this during ur experiments with astrology.I > > have> > > > > asked a qstn cpl of days back addressed to Narasimha Raoji.It > > is> > > > > difficult to find logic behind every usage and may not be > > needed > > > as> > > > > well.Still just out of curiousity.Becuase this could help us> > > > > understand the validity of aspects within divisional charts.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks in advance> > > > > Pradeep> > > > >Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Dear Viswanadham Ji I couldn't find the mail.I will check again.Thanks for your interest in guiding. Pls find my views in the mail addressed to Partha Ji.I dont want to repeat the whole story again and hence a short reply for you. Thanks Pradeep vedic astrology, H S Viswanadham <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Pradeep, > > Allow me to intervene. > > There is an old mail from Narasimha in the archives. Unfortunately i am unable to access it. > > The essence of that mail is, we are dividing the planetary degrees, in the Zodiac, into divisions, D-1 also being one such divisional chart. The problem comes from thinking that we are dividing D-1 into further divisions. Parasara said shodasa varga, 16 divisional charts including D-1! > > He also decribed rasi & graha aspects, without qualifying them or restricting their use to any specific divisional chart. > > This was how i got over my doubts in this area. Consider it! > > regards > viswanadham > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > Dear Partha ji > > Thanks for igniting the thought process and guiding it through new > channels, as you always do:) > The statement regarding indications in the Rashi and the necessity > of its realization to avoid re occurences were also good. > I will search for the various Koshas mentioned.I can also relate or > coform with your logic.Because the more you divide the finer you > discover.And hence divisional charts shows finer elements. > > But i am not fully satisfied with the second part. > > My questions were seeking some explanation plus references from the > classics.(House concepts in divisional charts and aspects). > > Let us assume we are constructing a navamsha chart. > We have Rashi in hand.We also have a chart template with no entries > for making navamsha. > Let us go to Lagna in Rashi ,assume it is Sag.We divide Sag into nine > (starting with Aries,as fifth from Sag is Aries).If the degree of > lagna is 11 in Rashi, then lagna falls in the fourth navamsha > division - Cancer,. > We go to our template chart and mark - ASC in Cancer. > Similarly we go to second house in Rashi - We divide it into nine > and since Capricorn is a movable Rashi, navamsha starts from > Capricorn itself.If moon was placed at 2 degrees in Rashi,then moon > falls in the first (3.2 degree)division of Navamsha ie Capricorn > itself.We go to our template chart and mark MO in Capricorn.But now > the house in which moon is placed becomes '7' (as Capricorn is > seventh from Cancer).Similarly another planet which was at 29 > degrees in 2nd house goes to 3rd house in Virgo.Thus what we have > done is, just the scattering of planets in a template chart for the > easiness of understanding its finer placements.Only logical thing > what we have done is dividing each rashi into 9 and finding the > exact nava amsha placement of that planet.But i am unable to find > the logic behind following house system similar to Rashi.(I found > from cup of magic site the logic behind finding the first navamsha > in each sign) > > Hence my request to help me in finding a reference regarding this in > Classics.Similarly aspects are due to the angular placements of > planets.Even if we divide a rashi into 100 divisions the planets > position remains the same.Only thing what we are discovering new is > the finer details of its position(environment).For example when > looking from a higher level in human body we can say hand has got > nails.But when we divide or go closer we can say the nails are part > of the palm and further division says it is part of fingers.Thus we > are identifying the finer rashi properties within a Rashi(assuming > every rashi consists of tattwas of other rashis(Shiv Chadda jis > mail) and also related to nakshatra charana (Chandrashekhar jis > mail).But the position of the concerned planet w.r to other planets > remains the same irrespective of any number of divisions.Hence the > aspects has to remain the same as in Rashi.What do you think? > Otherwise we have to find a new logic behind this aspect. > > Kindly think over this and try to help me.If possible i will be > happy if you could give some reference regarding house system and > aspects in divisional charts. > > Best Regds > Pradeep > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > wrote: > > Dear Pradeep > > > > > > The divisional charts are the finer layers of the person's being. > > > > THere are five kosas of a human being according to Shankaracharya > > > > a) Annamaya Kosa(gross body) > > b) Pranamaya Kosa(vital body) > > c) Manomaya Kosa(mental body) > > d) Vignanamaya Kosa(the intelligence body) > > e) Anandamaya Kosa(the bliss sheath) > > > > The higher divisional charts show the impressions formed and > carried > > due to the various past life karmas. These impressions if not > > detected, would repeat again and again. A person divorcing his > wife > > in past life may get the problem again, if he does not burn away > the > > past karma. > > > > All the rules applicable to Rasi chart are applicable to > Divisional > > charts. > > > > Jupiter-moon yoga in a divisional chart is as valid as in rasi > chart. > > When you see a person, you are actually seeing the gross body. You > > are not looking at his aura, the four other bodies, the subtle > > impressions that he is carrying. Thus any yoga that is there in > > subtle bodies is bound to give its effects. I may not have Gaja > > Kesari yoga in present life time, infact i have a sakata yoga. But > i > > have Gaja kesari yoga in past life, whose rewards i am reaping in > > this life. > > more later > > regards > > partha > > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > > wrote: > > > Dear Parthasarathy ji > > > > > > Thanks for lending your hand. > > > > > > I would be happy if you can tell me the basis for navamsha > > > division.Because in some Rashis the navamsha counting starts > from > > > itself,while for others it starts from 5,9. > > > > > > In classics is there any mention of aspects in divisional > > > charts.Because with my understanding so far - i feel if one sees > > > amshas as a total chart - it could be misleading.It can be drawn > as > > > a chart, for easier demonstration of planetary positions. > > > > > > Because if you see Jupiter and Mars together in Navamsha say in > > Leo - > > > they cannot be actually together,unless they are together in > > > Rashi.But it says Jupiter is in navamsha of Leo of a particular > > > Rashi and Mars is in the Navamsha of Leo of another Rashi.Thus > > > though these are together in Navamsha,We should not analyse this > > > together.My understanding is See where is Jupiter in Rashi - > > > reconfirm its strength in Navamsha by seeing in which sign it is > > > there.Similarly for Mars repeat the procedure.These should be > > > analysed individually.Integrated analysis must be done at Rashi > > > level. > > > Similarly house system in Divisional charts - is there any > > > reference in classics.Because any amsha occurences like > > > Gopura,Simhasana etc verifies just the occurence of the planets > in > > > the same rashi.Thus my view is, only the sign and its relation > with > > > the concerned planet has significance in divisional charts > > > (nakshthras are automatically taken care). > > > > > > My views could wrong ,but i am not convinced ,thus kindly help > me > > > with your knowledge. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pradeep > > > > > > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" > > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep > > > > > > > > What exactly is your doubt, do you want to know the basis of > > > > divisions, divisional charts, or what else? I can prove to be > > some > > > > help if you reframe your question. > > > > regards > > > > partha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > I was bit curious about the logic behind divisions within a > > > > > > Rashi.Each rashi can be divided further into 9,10,24,60 > etc > > > > starting > > > > > > from aries until pisces and then aries again.Have you come > > > across > > > > > > any reasons for this during ur experiments with > astrology.I > > > have > > > > > > asked a qstn cpl of days back addressed to Narasimha > Raoji.It > > > is > > > > > > difficult to find logic behind every usage and may not be > > > needed > > > > as > > > > > > well.Still just out of curiousity.Becuase this could help > us > > > > > > understand the validity of aspects within divisional > charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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