RE: Parashari-Jaimini ! (to Sri Chandrasekhar Ji/ ramadasraoji)

December 26, 2003

Dear Ajoy,

Tajak ( or Tajik) refers to Annual Horoscopy , commonly called

"Varshphal", wherein each year of a native's life is analysed separately

keeping the natal horoscope in mind. As the principles (aspects,

yogas, etc) are different from Vedic Astrology, you would have to go in

for books like - A Textbook of Varshaphal by Dr. K.S.Charak, or

Varshaphal by Sumeet Chugh.

Hope this helps.

Deepak Nair

ajoypb [ajoypb]

Friday, December 26, 2003 3:13 PM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: Parashari-Jaimini ! (to Sri Chandrasekhar

Ji/ ramadasraoji)

dear sirs,

i was trying to study pransa tantra by b.v raman in that

book he seems to frequently refer to the tajaka systems?

where can one find more info?

is is related to vedic systems?

thanks in advance

ajoy

-- In vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao>

wrote:

>

> ` nmae naray[ay,

> om namo näräyaëäya|

> Dear Sathiyanarayana Gupta Ji,

> I think the books mentioned there are in Tamil language and not in

English.

> With Shri Hari vaayu Naama Smarana,

> Ramadas Rao.

> Sathiyanarayana Gupta <gupta816> wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

> I have not come across any text by name Uttra Parasaryam,

> however you are confirmed the availablity of the book Poorva

> Parasaryam at Saraswathi Mahal, Thanjavour. For details

> kindly refer to

> http://www.intamm.com/books/saraswathy/saraswathy.htm#Astrology%

20Titles

>

> With regards,

> D .Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

> Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Sathiyanarayana,

> Since you know the source where it is available, find out if Uttara

> Parasaryam is available. If so, it could also be a commentary on

Brihat

> Parashara Hora Shastra.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

>

> > Dear shri. Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > Thank you for your advices, now I understand that

> >

> > ' POORVA PARASARYAM ' is available at

> > SARASWATHY MAHAL at Thanjavour , Tamil Nadu

> > INDIA.

> > With regards,

> > D. Sathiyanarayana Gupta .

> >

> > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sathiyanarayana,

> > Not having read the text, I can not comment on it. However as

the

> > name

> > suggests it might be a compilation of various shlokas,

supposed to be

> > written/recited prior to the days of Parashara. There not

being any

> > Uttara Parasaryam, it obviously is not first Skanda of

texts/shlokas

> > attributed to Parashara. Or at least this is what I would

infer

> > from the

> > title of the text.

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Sathiyanarayana Gupta wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vishwanadham,

> > > Thank you. Various pravartakas elaborated upon the

divine

> > science

> > > which

> > > is said to have descended from the Lord Mahadeo. They

did

> > not , in

> > > fact,

> > > give different systems. What each did was give different

> > > perspectives,

> > > on the basis of the same basics.

> > > Unfortunately astrologers started giving one or other

Rishi the

> > > credit

> > > as originator of Jyotish and started swearing by one

system or

> > > another.

> > > The fact that none of the Gurus or their direct shishya

lineage,

> > > who had

> > > the advantage of learning from their Guru, is available

to

> > explain

> > > the

> > > true meaning of shlokas has added to the confusion. One

has

> > also to

> > > understand that many sages of same name wrote different

> > Vedangas.

> > > This

> > > has led many to ascribe the authorship of the text

favoured by

> > > one to

> > > the most ancient of them and thus claiming the text to

be the

> > > origin of

> > > Jyotish. It is very well to equate Surya mentioned as

one of

> > the

> > > pravartakas but the fact remains that it might be

reference

> > to the

> > > writer of Surya Siddhanta and so on. Sages were refered

to

> > by their

> > > Gotra, place of residence and even their colour,

different

> > names

> > > being

> > > used to describe the same person. This should not be

forgotten.

> > > Many a

> > > times titles were conferred upon them and therefore,

that it is

> > > difficult to establish antiquity of the Sages remains a

fact.

> > > There are also different versions of the same texts in

> > > circulation. It

> > > might be fashionable to claim to be follower of one

system or

> > > other, but

> > > the fact remains that Jyotish is based on sound

principles

> > and all

> > > the

> > > sages gave instructions in words that they thought

their

> > students

> > > will

> > > comprehend better. This is why you will find the texts

referring

> > > to the

> > > opinion of others with equal respect.

> > > As I said earlier one should follow the system that he

has

> > understood

> > > the basics of, and can apply them to real life

horoscopes.

> > > Hope this helps.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > Dear pedagogues,

> > >

> > > kindly elucidate as to wheather 'POORVA PARASARYAM' is

the

> > > teachings of POOJYASHRI. sage PARASARA to his

disciples or

> > > otherwise .

> > >

> > > May DEVA GURU'S blessings shall dawn on us.

> > >

> > > D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta.

> > >

> > > H S Viswanadham wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrasekhar Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Your longish mails are very informative. Pls keep

writing

> > longish

> > > > ones. At the end of the last mail you were saying it

> > became too

> > > long.

> > > > It was a good mail. Now your clarification is still

better.

> > > >

> > > > i also feel that people using True nodes & using

different

> > > ayanamsas

> > > > are sticking to their own basics ( if i may say so!).

> > > >

> > > > From what you said, can we speculate that the other

Rishis

> > whose

> > > works

> > > > are lost were using different 'systems'. What could

be

> > the root of

> > > > all this?

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks and best regards

> > > > viswanadham

> > > >

> > > > */Anna <bona_mente>/* wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekar,

> > > > I have read carefully..

> > > > Thank you.

> > > > Anna

> > > >

> > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Anna,

> > > > I am sorry that you appear to be shocked with

my

> > opinions. I

> > > > would like

> > > > you to read what I have said carefully again.

You

> > will find

> > > > that I have

> > > > already clarified that one should use the

system

> > that one is

> > > > comfortable

> > > > with, and have also said that different Rishis

> > devised

> > > different

> > > > systems. If you read the mail in its

entirety, you

> > will

> > > > understand that

> > > > I am not saying anything contradictory to

what is

> > > taught,but

> > > > am trying

> > > > to indicate how the teachings are to be used.

I merely

> > > say that

> > > > application of different system without

> > understanding the

> > > > logic behind

> > > > them could lead one to a wrong prediction. An

example

> > > would be

> > > > Prashna

> > > > Marga of deciding Aarudha based on the

location of the

> > > querist

> > > > or his

> > > > placing a piece of Gold on a particular

direction

> > on the

> > > > circular chart.

> > > > Now would you say Aarudha arrived at by this

> > method can

> > > use the

> > > > principles of Aarudha defined by Parashara

and one

> > will

> > > arrive at

> > > > correct predictions? Or can Aarudha arrived

at by

> > using

> > > Parashara

> > > > principles will give correct predictions when

it

> > is used to

> > > > arrive at

> > > > conclusions based on the results given in

Prashna

> > Marga?

> > > I am

> > > > certain

> > > > you will not. Similarly can Gulika and Mandi

at

> > different

> > > > points of

> > > > reference be used when applying Jaataka

Paarijata

> > > parameters,

> > > > when the

> > > > text states specifically that they are

synonyms of

> > the same

> > > > upagraha?

> > > > The logic behind what I wrote will be clear

to you.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > Anna wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > */Chandrashekhar <boxdel>/* wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekar,

> > > > > You raised serious issues here, indeed. I

just

> > copied some

> > > > parts,

> > > > > although the entire post questions in fact

all we've

> > > learnt

> > > > here, so far.

> > > > > You said:*_You can not apply say Metric

system to

> > > > manufacture a bolt

> > > > > and BSW for the nut , they would never fit

> > properly._*

> > > > >

> > > > > You imply that wrt. rashi dristi, aroodas,

that

> > we are

> > > > thought to use

> > > > > along with graha dristi etc..I feel this is

> > rather serious

> > > > and wish if

> > > > > could see more comments on this- this is in

fact

> > the first

> > > > time I see

> > > > > on THIS list such a view; implications

would be

> > > far-reaching

> > > > with lots

> > > > > of fundamental questions raised.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank You.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Anna

> > > > >

> > > > > *There are many systems based on the

experience

> > of the

> > > > Rishis, who

> > > > > formulated them...*

> > > > > **

> > > > > * one

> > > > > predicts on the basis of Planet drishty and

when the

> > > > prediction goes

> > > > > wrong one takes recourse to explaining away

the

> > reason of

> > > > the failure by

> > > > > application of Rasi drishty. Same is the

case

> > with use of

> > > > Aarudhas,

> > > > > Karakamsha, Divisional charts etc. One

should have a

> > > uniform

> > > > approach to

> > > > > any chart one analyses. _You can not apply

say

> > Metric

> > > system to

> > > > > manufacture a bolt and BSW for the nut ,

they

> > would never

> > > > fit properly._

> > > > > *

> > > > > **

> > > > > *Not much work has been done on Aarudhas

and other

> > > > parameters even by the

> > > > > ancient sages and ...This does not mean

that the

> > concept

> > > > carries no

> > > > > substance, only that

> > > > > exahaustive work has not been done on this

aspect.

> > > _Even the

> > > > major yogas

> > > > > are not based on these concept and as such

it is

> > difficult

> > > > to know the

> > > > > correct method of their application._ It is

very

> > well

> > > to wax

> > > > eloquent on

> > > > > their applicability and the principles

behind such

> > > practice,

> > > > it is

> > > > > another matter giving Authentic quotes from

> > standard texts

> > > > to support

> > > > > the premise.

> > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > >

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